Is homosexuality a sin?

Created by Travis Morgan on Oct 27, 2007

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thehumanhighligh treel

Woonsocket, RI

#91469 Aug 10, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm never shocked where perversion stops (it doesn't).
However, you just judged a relationship as distinct and not equal.
You clearly don't believe your own claim. You just want to apply an arbitrary exception to marriage.
Clearly not legit.
And here is weird logical leap number two.

Under current law, we have marriage laws. And with marriage laws, there are marriage rights. Therefore, if you are married you are guaranteed these rights. At least, you should be guaranteed said rights.

If you aren't married, you don't qualify for marriage rights under our current laws. That should be fairly simple to understand.

So. I still do believe my claim.
thehumanhighligh treel

Woonsocket, RI

#91470 Aug 10, 2013
Now, if you were to ask me whether a married couple should have more rights than an unmarried couple living together; or a civil union. That is when you'd have an interesting discussion.

Should marriage even be something defined within our legal system? Should marriage be abolished. Of course, marriage can still happen. But, is marriage supposed to be legal, or is it supposed to be a symbolic union between two or more loving people?

Tough to tell. It would be a discussion worth having though.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#91471 Aug 10, 2013
thehumanhighlightreel wrote:
<quoted text>
And here is weird logical leap number two.
Under current law, we have marriage laws. And with marriage laws, there are marriage rights. Therefore, if you are married you are guaranteed these rights. At least, you should be guaranteed said rights.
If you aren't married, you don't qualify for marriage rights under our current laws. That should be fairly simple to understand.
So. I still do believe my claim.
You said all relationships have equal rights.

Then you preceded to distinguish relational rights.

That is my point. Marriage defines a distinct relationship that is limited by evolutionary biology and confirmed by incredibly consistent historical precedence.

Calling ss couples married is no different than calling the tail on a dog a leg.

The weird logic leap is all yours friend.
thehumanhighligh treel

Woonsocket, RI

#91472 Aug 10, 2013
Also. Who cares what you or my sexual "perversions" are. I prefer to call them kinks and interests. As long as we are not taking advantage of a defenseless person, hurting them, or pretty much doing something against the other person's will then I really don't care. My business is not and should never involve another person's love life unless they want to tell me the details themselves.

You said perversions don't stop. Well... You are referring to incest as a perversion and I personally don't take part in incest and never will. So, where does my perversion stop? In your beliefs, that can't be my perversion since I don't have it or want to take part of it. I'm also heterosexual as I've told you before and don't have any desire at all to take part in a homosexual relationship. This does not mean I would not permit it for others, because others have different desires, interests and kinks that they either develop or are born with.

As long as everything is consensual, who cares?
thehumanhighligh treel

Woonsocket, RI

#91473 Aug 10, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You said all relationships have equal rights.
Then you preceded to distinguish relational rights.
That is my point. Marriage defines a distinct relationship that is limited by evolutionary biology and confirmed by incredibly consistent historical precedence.
Calling ss couples married is no different than calling the tail on a dog a leg.
The weird logic leap is all yours friend.
Well. We were originally talking about marriage rights. So, I believe if you are a relationship that gets married. You should have equal rights with any other married relationship regardless of number of people involved or their sexuality.

If you are unmarried, you don't have rights that a married couple do. So, if you want those benefits, get married. No one forces you to get married or not get married. Unfortunately, some people seem to think it is wise to deny a different kind of relationship those marriage rights if they were to get married.

Personally, I think all relationships are equal. Does that mean they should all get the same legal recognition marriage has? No. If we are going to have these laws, then they aren't married. But they can be if they want to be. The option is open. It should be open to all relationships.

This is also where, abolishing marriage as a legal union might be kinda helpful. It might be the most intelligent decision to just keep marriage out of our legal system. Civil unions would take its place in the legal system so all relationships could receive equal rights. Plus, these couples can also have a marriage ceremony outside of their civil union as well. There are church institutions that will marry two people despite being apart of the community or not being apart of it.

Seems like a much more painless solution to me.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#91474 Aug 10, 2013
thehumanhighlightreel wrote:
<quoted text>
Well. We were originally talking about marriage rights. So, I believe if you are a relationship that gets married. You should have equal rights with any other married relationship regardless of number of people involved or their sexuality.
If you are unmarried, you don't have rights that a married couple do. So, if you want those benefits, get married. No one forces you to get married or not get married. Unfortunately, some people seem to think it is wise to deny a different kind of relationship those marriage rights if they were to get married.
Personally, I think all relationships are equal. Does that mean they should all get the same legal recognition marriage has? No. If we are going to have these laws, then they aren't married. But they can be if they want to be. The option is open. It should be open to all relationships.
This is also where, abolishing marriage as a legal union might be kinda helpful. It might be the most intelligent decision to just keep marriage out of our legal system. Civil unions would take its place in the legal system so all relationships could receive equal rights. Plus, these couples can also have a marriage ceremony outside of their civil union as well. There are church institutions that will marry two people despite being apart of the community or not being apart of it.
Seems like a much more painless solution to me.
Words define reality.

When we mis-define reality, problems occur.

Mis-defining marriage would create a serious problem.

Not all relationships deserve the same rights. Let other relationships get their own name and their own rights.

That's the right thing to do.
thehumanhighligh treel

Woonsocket, RI

#91475 Aug 10, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Words define reality.
When we mis-define reality, problems occur.
Mis-defining marriage would create a serious problem.
Not all relationships deserve the same rights. Let other relationships get their own name and their own rights.
That's the right thing to do.
How do we define reality with words? Do our words actually mean anything to the reality of our existence? After all, reality came before our existence. Words are something we just created with our minds. Whether they are true or not is questionable. So, in the end; what you believe is up to you. You should grant every other individual person the same freedom of choosing what they believe.

Lol. Hate to get philosophical on you like that. But, on a more serious note, definitions change all the time. We wouldn't be re-defining marriage at all. Because marriage first came from religious institutions, then it isn't right to have them within our legal system because we are supposed to have separation of church and state. Thus, civil unions being available instead of marriage makes sense. People who want to be married can still get married, there just wouldn't be any extra rights granted to it from our legal system.

This way, we all win.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#91476 Aug 10, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Words define reality.
When we mis-define reality, problems occur.
Mis-defining marriage would create a serious problem.
Not all relationships deserve the same rights. Let other relationships get their own name and their own rights.
That's the right thing to do.
You've finally boiled it down to ONE word (as you've done previously on other threads). Marriage. You just want to claim the word marriage with your 5 nipples, two vaginas, one micro-penis and a schizophrenic alter ego between the two of you.

Separate, but equal, has NEVER been equal. Never.

We already have SSM, so your pursuit of another name for it is a day late and many dollars short.

You lost, just I told you would happen two years ago. But no, to your credit, you keep fighting the good fight.

SSM is here to stay. It has been established, you've lost nothing (but claim to a word) and the world hasn't stopped revolving around the sun.

Deal. With. It.

Troll on, Hunty.
Bob

Seattle, WA

#91478 Aug 10, 2013
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.

Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death... "

Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."

“Filia Spartacus”

Since: Jun 13

Libertas

#91479 Aug 10, 2013
thehumanhighlightreel wrote:
Also. Who cares what you or my sexual "perversions" are. I prefer to call them kinks and interests. As long as we are not taking advantage of a defenseless person, hurting them, or pretty much doing something against the other person's will then I really don't care. My business is not and should never involve another person's love life unless they want to tell me the details themselves.
You said perversions don't stop. Well... You are referring to incest as a perversion and I personally don't take part in incest and never will. So, where does my perversion stop? In your beliefs, that can't be my perversion since I don't have it or want to take part of it. I'm also heterosexual as I've told you before and don't have any desire at all to take part in a homosexual relationship. This does not mean I would not permit it for others, because others have different desires, interests and kinks that they either develop or are born with.
As long as everything is consensual, who cares?
Exactly right! No reasonable person would care, in that case.

It's only fundie clowns who try to invade other ppl's private lives.
Bob

Seattle, WA

#91480 Aug 10, 2013
thehumanhighlightreel wrote:
<quoted text>
Well. We were originally talking about marriage rights. So, I believe if you are a relationship that gets married. You should have equal rights with any other married relationship regardless of number of people involved or their sexuality.
If you are unmarried, you don't have rights that a married couple do. So, if you want those benefits, get married. No one forces you to get married or not get married. Unfortunately, some people seem to think it is wise to deny a different kind of relationship those marriage rights if they were to get married.
Personally, I think all relationships are equal. Does that mean they should all get the same legal recognition marriage has? No. If we are going to have these laws, then they aren't married. But they can be if they want to be. The option is open. It should be open to all relationships.
This is also where, abolishing marriage as a legal union might be kinda helpful. It might be the most intelligent decision to just keep marriage out of our legal system. Civil unions would take its place in the legal system so all relationships could receive equal rights. Plus, these couples can also have a marriage ceremony outside of their civil union as well. There are church institutions that will marry two people despite being apart of the community or not being apart of it.
Seems like a much more painless solution to me.
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.

Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death... "
Bob

Seattle, WA

#91481 Aug 10, 2013
thehumanhighlightreel wrote:
<quoted text>
How do we define reality with words? Do our words actually mean anything to the reality of our existence? After all, reality came before our existence. Words are something we just created with our minds. Whether they are true or not is questionable. So, in the end; what you believe is up to you. You should grant every other individual person the same freedom of choosing what they believe.
Lol. Hate to get philosophical on you like that. But, on a more serious note, definitions change all the time. We wouldn't be re-defining marriage at all. Because marriage first came from religious institutions, then it isn't right to have them within our legal system because we are supposed to have separation of church and state. Thus, civil unions being available instead of marriage makes sense. People who want to be married can still get married, there just wouldn't be any extra rights granted to it from our legal system.
This way, we all win.
More than 80% of AIDS cases in Canada are among homosexual or bisexual males; other diseases suffered either exclusively, or in larger percentages by the homosexual population, include: anal cancer, chlamydia trachomatis, cryptosporidium, giardia lamblia, herpes simplex virus, HPV, gonorrhea, viral hepatitis B and C, and syphilis.
Bob

Seattle, WA

#91482 Aug 10, 2013
The Sin.

The Guilt.

The SHAME.

The GAY SHAME !

The SHAME of being GAY !

Common gay diseases listed below:

1. Anal Cancer.(Ass Cancer)
2. Chlamydia trachomatis.
3. Cryptosporidium.
4. Giardia lamblia.
5. Herpes simplex virus.
6. Human immunodeficiency virus --- AIDS !
7. Human papilloma virus.
8. Isospora belli.
9. Microsporidia.
10. Anal Gonorrhea.
11. Viral hepatitis types A , B & C
12. Anal Syphilis.
13. Gay Bowel Syndrome.
14 Condyloma acuminata.
15. Homosexual Hemorrhoids.
16. Nonspecific proctitis.
17. Anal fistula.
18. Perirectal abscess.
19. Amebiasis.
20 Anorectal trauma and foreign bodies.
21. Shigellosis.
22. Rectal ulcers.
23. Lymphogranuloma venereum.
24. Anal Chlamydia.
25. E. histolytica.
26, Entamoeba histolytica.
27. Anal herpes.
28. Gay MRSA.
29. Scat nausia vomiting syndrome.
30. Torn sphincter - ANAL INCONTINENCE.
31. Gay anal hampster fetish.
32. Homosexual gerbil syndrone.
33. Gay anal rodent rabies.
34. Gay weasel anal demonic death syndrome.
35. Homosexual throat warts.
36. Facial MRSA.
37. Warped mind syndrome - lisping with limp wrist - demonic !

Gay = Got AIDS Yet !

Limp wrist and lisping ?

Total gay shame.

Complete gay shame.

Time for a little gay shame parade.
Bob

Seattle, WA

#91483 Aug 10, 2013
S.F. Gay Rights Leader Arrested Over Child Porn:

S.F. CRIME:

Published 09:21 p.m., Monday, June 25, 2012:

San Francisco police have arrested veteran gay rights advocate Larry Brinkin in connection with felony possession of child pornography.

Brinkin, 66, who worked for the San Francisco Human Rights Commission before his retirement in 2010, was taken into custody Friday night. He spent the night in jail before he was released on bail, according to a spokeswoman for the sheriff's department.
The district attorney's office will decide Tuesday whether to file charges. "We're still reviewing the case," district attorney's spokeswoman Stephanie Ong Stillman said Monday.

Police say that Brinkin had pornographic images, some that appear to show children as young as 1 and 2 or 3 years old being sodomized and performing oral sex on adult men, in e-mail attachments linked to his account, according to a search warrant served by San Francisco police.

Representatives of America Online contacted authorities after coming across e-mail attachments from one of its subscriber's accounts containing what they believed to be child pornography.
The Los Angeles Police Department, which was assigned to the case, traced the IP address associated with the account, Zack3737@aol.com, to Brinkin, a San Francisco resident, according to court records. Los Angeles police forwarded the case to San Francisco police.

San Francisco investigators say the account was registered to Brinkin, and that he paid for the e-mail service with his credit card.

Police provided two examples of e-mail messages from last year in which Zack3737 provides disturbing descriptions of the exploitive sexual acts.

The e-mail account also is linked to Yahoo discussion groups on sexual exploitation of young boys and girls, according to the search warrant.

Executing a search warrant Friday, police seized two laptops, a desk top computer, videos, a floppy disk and thumb drives from Brinkin's Waller Street home.

During his 22-year tenure at the Human Rights Commission, Brinkin was best known for championing equal rights for gays and lesbians. He helped craft San Francisco's groundbreaking Equal Benefits Ordinance, which became a national model for workplace equality.

Upon Brinkin's retirement, the Board of Supervisors approved a resolution declaring the week of Feb. 1, 2010, "Larry Brinkin Week" in San Francisco, saying his "dedication to advance the civil rights of all people has never stopped."

Former Supervisor Bevan Dufty who authored the board resolution, said Monday that he was shocked to learn of Brinkin's arrest. "I have admired and respected his work for the LGBT community," Dufty said. "I respect and am confident that there will be due process."

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#91484 Aug 10, 2013
The Almighty Bob hath spoken.

Now if he can only convince God to agree with his tortured interpretation of scripture, he might have something other than a need for long term psychiatric care.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#91485 Aug 10, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death... "
The Old Testament law also forbade priests from shaving their heads or beards (Leviticus 21:5).
Regarding women shaving, Scripture says that it is disgraceful for a woman to shave her head (1 Corinthians 11:5-6) and that her hair is a glory to her(v. 15 KJV).
Also God forbid Touching the skin of a pig and
-Tattoos

Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death... "

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#91486 Aug 10, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
More than 80% of AIDS cases in Canada are among homosexual or bisexual males; other diseases suffered either exclusively, or in larger percentages by the homosexual population, include: anal cancer, chlamydia trachomatis, cryptosporidium, giardia lamblia, herpes simplex virus, HPV, gonorrhea, viral hepatitis B and C, and syphilis.
Since you are posting facts, post the link. Why no link? Or did you just make that up?

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#91487 Aug 10, 2013
Bob wrote:
S.F. Gay Rights Leader Arrested Over Child Porn:
S.F. CRIME:
Published 09:21 p.m., Monday, June 25, 2012:
San Francisco police have arrested veteran gay rights advocate Larry Brinkin in connection with felony possession of child pornography.
Brinkin, 66, who worked for the San Francisco Human Rights Commission before his retirement in 2010, was taken into custody Friday night. He spent the night in jail before he was released on bail, according to a spokeswoman for the sheriff's department.
The district attorney's office will decide Tuesday whether to file charges. "We're still reviewing the case," district attorney's spokeswoman Stephanie Ong Stillman said Monday.
Police say that Brinkin had pornographic images, some that appear to show children as young as 1 and 2 or 3 years old being sodomized and performing oral sex on adult men, in e-mail attachments linked to his account, according to a search warrant served by San Francisco police.
Representatives of America Online contacted authorities after coming across e-mail attachments from one of its subscriber's accounts containing what they believed to be child pornography.
The Los Angeles Police Department, which was assigned to the case, traced the IP address associated with the account, Zack3737@aol.com, to Brinkin, a San Francisco resident, according to court records. Los Angeles police forwarded the case to San Francisco police.
San Francisco investigators say the account was registered to Brinkin, and that he paid for the e-mail service with his credit card.
Police provided two examples of e-mail messages from last year in which Zack3737 provides disturbing descriptions of the exploitive sexual acts.
The e-mail account also is linked to Yahoo discussion groups on sexual exploitation of young boys and girls, according to the search warrant.
Executing a search warrant Friday, police seized two laptops, a desk top computer, videos, a floppy disk and thumb drives from Brinkin's Waller Street home.
During his 22-year tenure at the Human Rights Commission, Brinkin was best known for championing equal rights for gays and lesbians. He helped craft San Francisco's groundbreaking Equal Benefits Ordinance, which became a national model for workplace equality.
Upon Brinkin's retirement, the Board of Supervisors approved a resolution declaring the week of Feb. 1, 2010, "Larry Brinkin Week" in San Francisco, saying his "dedication to advance the civil rights of all people has never stopped."
Former Supervisor Bevan Dufty who authored the board resolution, said Monday that he was shocked to learn of Brinkin's arrest. "I have admired and respected his work for the LGBT community," Dufty said. "I respect and am confident that there will be due process."
That's an old story, what does that have to do with anything, that is like saying because Jerry Sandusky was straight that he represents straight people. Get lost loser!

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#91488 Aug 10, 2013
Bob wrote:
The Sin.
The Guilt.
The SHAME.
The GAY SHAME !
The SHAME of being GAY !
Common gay diseases listed below:
1. Anal Cancer.(Ass Cancer)
2. Chlamydia trachomatis.
3. Cryptosporidium.
4. Giardia lamblia.
5. Herpes simplex virus.
6. Human immunodeficiency virus --- AIDS !
7. Human papilloma virus.
8. Isospora belli.
9. Microsporidia.
10. Anal Gonorrhea.
11. Viral hepatitis types A , B & C
12. Anal Syphilis.
13. Gay Bowel Syndrome.
14 Condyloma acuminata.
15. Homosexual Hemorrhoids.
16. Nonspecific proctitis.
17. Anal fistula.
18. Perirectal abscess.
19. Amebiasis.
20 Anorectal trauma and foreign bodies.
21. Shigellosis.
22. Rectal ulcers.
23. Lymphogranuloma venereum.
24. Anal Chlamydia.
25. E. histolytica.
26, Entamoeba histolytica.
27. Anal herpes.
28. Gay MRSA.
29. Scat nausia vomiting syndrome.
30. Torn sphincter - ANAL INCONTINENCE.
31. Gay anal hampster fetish.
32. Homosexual gerbil syndrone.
33. Gay anal rodent rabies.
34. Gay weasel anal demonic death syndrome.
35. Homosexual throat warts.
36. Facial MRSA.
37. Warped mind syndrome - lisping with limp wrist - demonic !
Gay = Got AIDS Yet !
Limp wrist and lisping ?
Total gay shame.
Complete gay shame.
Time for a little gay shame parade.
Where is your link? What's common is for people that are hiding their sexuality fighting off gayness to post a lot of hate and fear towards the person they might be.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#91489 Aug 10, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
The Almighty Bob hath spoken.
Now if he can only convince God to agree with his tortured interpretation of scripture, he might have something other than a need for long term psychiatric care.
Bob is trying to fight it off, I think he knows deep inside that he is really a homosexual.

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