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WasteWater

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Apr 25, 2013
 

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and vozid.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

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#87432
Apr 25, 2013
 

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believxe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

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#87433
Apr 25, 2013
 

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is znull and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

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Report Abuse
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Judge it!
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#87434
Apr 25, 2013
 

Judged:

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null ands void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

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Report Abuse
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Judge it!
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#87435
Apr 25, 2013
 

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XNew Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

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Report Abuse
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Judge it!
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#87436
Apr 25, 2013
 

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gNew Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null ansd void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

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Report Abuse
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Judge it!
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#87437
Apr 25, 2013
 

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hNew Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#87438
Apr 25, 2013
 

Judged:

2

pNew Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

|
Report Abuse
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Judge it!
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#87439
Apr 25, 2013
 

Judged:

2

kNew Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
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Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
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rNew Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
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tNew Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?

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7 I also am mortal, like everyone else,
a descendant of the first-formed child of earth;
and in the womb of a mother I was molded into flesh,
2 within the period of ten months, compacted with blood,
from the seed of a man and the pleasure of marriage.
3 And when I was born, I began to breathe the common air,
and fell upon the kindred earth;
my first sound was a cry, as is true of all.
4 I was nursed with care in swaddling cloths.
5 For no king has had a different beginning of existence;
6 there is for all one entrance into life, and one way out.
Solomon’s Respect for Wisdom

7 Therefore I prayed, and understanding was given me;
I called on God, and the spirit of wisdom came to me.
8 I preferred her to scepters and thrones,
and I accounted wealth as nothing in comparison with her.
9 Neither did I liken to her any priceless gem,
because all gold is but a little sand in her sight,
and silver will be accounted as clay before her.
10 I loved her more than health and beauty,
and I chose to have her rather than light,
because her radiance never ceases.
11 All good things came to me along with her,
and in her hands uncounted wealth.
12 I rejoiced in them all, because wisdom leads them;
but I did not know that she was their mother.
13 I learned without guile and I impart without grudging;
I do not hide her wealth,
14 for it is an unfailing treasure for mortals;
those who get it obtain friendship with God,
commended for the gifts that come from instruction.
Solomon Prays for Wisdom

15 May God grant me to speak with judgment,
and to have thoughts worthy of what I have received;
for he is the guide even of wisdom
and the corrector of the wise.
16 For both we and our words are in his hand,
as are all understanding and skill in crafts.
17 For it is he who gave me unerring knowledge of what exists,
to know the structure of the world and the activity of the elements;
18 the beginning and end and middle of times,
the alternations of the solstices and the changes of the seasons,
19 the cycles of the year and the constellations of the stars,
20 the natures of animals and the tempers of wild animals,
the powers of spirits[a] and the thoughts of human beings,
the varieties of plants and the virtues of roots;
21 I learned both what is secret and what is manifest,
22 for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me.
The Nature of Wisdom

There is in her a spirit that is intelligent, holy,
unique, manifold, subtle,
mobile, clear, unpolluted,
distinct, invulnerable, loving the good, keen,
irresistible, 23 beneficent, humane,
steadfast, sure, free from anxiety,
all-powerful, overseeing all,
and penetrating through all spirits
that are intelligent, pure, and altogether subtle.
24 For wisdom is more mobile than any motion;
because of her pureness she pervades and penetrates all things.
25 For she is a breath of the power of God,
and a pure emanation of the glory of the Almighty;
therefore nothing defiled gains entrance into her.
26 For she is a reflection of eternal light,
a spotless mirror of the working of God,
and an image of his goodness.
27 Although she is but one, she can do all things,
and while remaining in herself, she renews all things;
in every generation she passes into holy souls
and makes them friends of God, and prophets;
28 for God loves nothing so much as the person who lives with wisdom.
29 She is more beautiful than the sun,
and excels every constellation of the stars.
Compared with the light she is found to be superior,
30 for it is succeeded by the night,
but against wisdom evil does not prevail.

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8 She reaches mightily from one end of the earth to the other,
and she orders all things well.
Solomon’s Love for Wisdom

2 I loved her and sought her from my youth;
I desired to take her for my bride,
and became enamored of her beauty.
3 She glorifies her noble birth by living with God,
and the Lord of all loves her.
4 For she is an initiate in the knowledge of God,
and an associate in his works.
5 If riches are a desirable possession in life,
what is richer than wisdom, the active cause of all things?
6 And if understanding is effective,
who more than she is fashioner of what exists?
7 And if anyone loves righteousness,
her labors are virtues;
for she teaches self-control and prudence,
justice and courage;
nothing in life is more profitable for mortals than these.
8 And if anyone longs for wide experience,
she knows the things of old, and infers the things to come;
she understands turns of speech and the solutions of riddles;
she has foreknowledge of signs and wonders
and of the outcome of seasons and times.
Wisdom Indispensible to Rulers

9 Therefore I determined to take her to live with me,
knowing that she would give me good counsel
and encouragement in cares and grief.
10 Because of her I shall have glory among the multitudes
and honor in the presence of the elders, though I am young.
11 I shall be found keen in judgment,
and in the sight of rulers I shall be admired.
12 When I am silent they will wait for me,
and when I speak they will give heed;
if I speak at greater length,
they will put their hands on their mouths.
13 Because of her I shall have immortality,
and leave an everlasting remembrance to those who come after me.
14 I shall govern peoples,
and nations will be subject to me;
15 dread monarchs will be afraid of me when they hear of me;
among the people I shall show myself capable, and courageous in war.
16 When I enter my house, I shall find rest with her;
for companionship with her has no bitterness,
and life with her has no pain, but gladness and joy.
17 When I considered these things inwardly,
and pondered in my heart
that in kinship with wisdom there is immortality,
18 and in friendship with her, pure delight,
and in the labors of her hands, unfailing wealth,
and in the experience of her company, understanding,
and renown in sharing her words,
I went about seeking how to get her for myself.
19 As a child I was naturally gifted,
and a good soul fell to my lot;
20 or rather, being good, I entered an undefiled body.
21 But I perceived that I would not possess wisdom unless God gave her to me—
and it was a mark of insight to know whose gift she was—
so I appealed to the Lord and implored him,
and with my whole heart I said:

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Solomon’s Prayer for Wisdom

9 “O God of my ancestors and Lord of mercy,
who have made all things by your word,
2 and by your wisdom have formed humankind
to have dominion over the creatures you have made,
3 and rule the world in holiness and righteousness,
and pronounce judgment in uprightness of soul,
4 give me the wisdom that sits by your throne,
and do not reject me from among your servants.
5 For I am your servant[a] the son of your serving girl,
a man who is weak and short-lived,
with little understanding of judgment and laws;
6 for even one who is perfect among human beings
will be regarded as nothing without the wisdom that comes from you.
7 You have chosen me to be king of your people
and to be judge over your sons and daughters.
8 You have given command to build a temple on your holy mountain,
and an altar in the city of your habitation,
a copy of the holy tent that you prepared from the beginning.
9 With you is wisdom, she who knows your works
and was present when you made the world;
she understands what is pleasing in your sight
and what is right according to your commandments.
10 Send her forth from the holy heavens,
and from the throne of your glory send her,
that she may labor at my side,
and that I may learn what is pleasing to you.
11 For she knows and understands all things,
and she will guide me wisely in my actions
and guard me with her glory.
12 Then my works will be acceptable,
and I shall judge your people justly,
and shall be worthy of the throne[b] of my father.
13 For who can learn the counsel of God?
Or who can discern what the Lord wills?
14 For the reasoning of mortals is worthless,
and our designs are likely to fail;
15 for a perishable body weighs down the soul,
and this earthy tent burdens the thoughtful[c] mind.
16 We can hardly guess at what is on earth,
and what is at hand we find with labor;
but who has traced out what is in the heavens?
17 Who has learned your counsel,
unless you have given wisdom
and sent your holy spirit from on high?
18 And thus the paths of those on earth were set right,
and people were taught what pleases you,
and were saved by wisdom.”

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The Work of Wisdom from Adam to Moses

10 Wisdom[a] protected the first-formed father of the world, when he alone had been created;
she delivered him from his transgression,
2 and gave him strength to rule all things.
3 But when an unrighteous man departed from her in his anger,
he perished because in rage he killed his brother.
4 When the earth was flooded because of him, wisdom again saved it,
steering the righteous man by a paltry piece of wood.
5 Wisdom[b] also, when the nations in wicked agreement had been put to confusion,
recognized the righteous man and preserved him blameless before God,
and kept him strong in the face of his compassion for his child.
6 Wisdom[c] rescued a righteous man when the ungodly were perishing;
he escaped the fire that descended on the Five Cities.[d]
7 Evidence of their wickedness still remains:
a continually smoking wasteland,
plants bearing fruit that does not ripen,
and a pillar of salt standing as a monument to an unbelieving soul.
8 For because they passed wisdom by,
they not only were hindered from recognizing the good,
but also left for humankind a reminder of their folly,
so that their failures could never go unnoticed.
9 Wisdom rescued from troubles those who served her.
10 When a righteous man fled from his brother’s wrath,
she guided him on straight paths;
she showed him the kingdom of God,
and gave him knowledge of holy things;
she prospered him in his labors,
and increased the fruit of his toil.
11 When his oppressors were covetous,
she stood by him and made him rich.
12 She protected him from his enemies,
and kept him safe from those who lay in wait for him;
in his arduous contest she gave him the victory,
so that he might learn that godliness is more powerful than anything else.
13 When a righteous man was sold, wisdom[e] did not desert him,
but delivered him from sin.
She descended with him into the dungeon,
14 and when he was in prison she did not leave him,
until she brought him the scepter of a kingdom
and authority over his masters.
Those who accused him she showed to be false,
and she gave him everlasting honor.
Wisdom Led the Israelites out of Egypt

15 A holy people and blameless race
wisdom delivered from a nation of oppressors.
16 She entered the soul of a servant of the Lord,
and withstood dread kings with wonders and signs.
17 She gave to holy people the reward of their labors;
she guided them along a marvelous way,
and became a shelter to them by day,
and a starry flame through the night.
18 She brought them over the Red Sea,
and led them through deep waters;
19 but she drowned their enemies,
and cast them up from the depth of the sea.
20 Therefore the righteous plundered the ungodly;
they sang hymns, O Lord, to your holy name,
and praised with one accord your defending hand;
21 for wisdom opened the mouths of those who were mute,
and made the tongues of infants speak clearly.

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Wisdom Led the Israelites through the Desert

11 Wisdom[a] prospered their works by the hand of a holy prophet.
2 They journeyed through an uninhabited wilderness,
and pitched their tents in untrodden places.
3 They withstood their enemies and fought off their foes.
4 When they were thirsty, they called upon you,
and water was given them out of flinty rock,
and from hard stone a remedy for their thirst.
5 For through the very things by which their enemies were punished,
they themselves received benefit in their need.
6 Instead of the fountain of an ever-flowing river,
stirred up and defiled with blood
7 in rebuke for the decree to kill the infants,
you gave them abundant water unexpectedly,
8 showing by their thirst at that time
how you punished their enemies.
9 For when they were tried, though they were being disciplined in mercy,
they learned how the ungodly were tormented when judged in wrath.
10 For you tested them as a parent[b] does in warning,
but you examined the ungodly[c] as a stern king does in condemnation.
11 Whether absent or present, they were equally distressed,
12 for a twofold grief possessed them,
and a groaning at the memory of what had occurred.
13 For when they heard that through their own punishments
the righteous[d] had received benefit, they perceived it was the Lord’s doing.
14 For though they had mockingly rejected him who long before had been cast out and exposed,
at the end of the events they marveled at him,
when they felt thirst in a different way from the righteous.
Punishment of the Wicked

15 In return for their foolish and wicked thoughts,
which led them astray to worship irrational serpents and worthless animals,
you sent upon them a multitude of irrational creatures to punish them,
16 so that they might learn that one is punished by the very things by which one sins.
17 For your all-powerful hand,
which created the world out of formless matter,
did not lack the means to send upon them a multitude of bears, or bold lions,
18 or newly-created unknown beasts full of rage,
or such as breathe out fiery breath,
or belch forth a thick pall of smoke,
or flash terrible sparks from their eyes;
19 not only could the harm they did destroy people,[e]
but the mere sight of them could kill by fright.
20 Even apart from these, people[f] could fall at a single breath
when pursued by justice
and scattered by the breath of your power.
But you have arranged all things by measure and number and weight.
God Is Powerful and Merciful

21 For it is always in your power to show great strength,
and who can withstand the might of your arm?
22 Because the whole world before you is like a speck that tips the scales,
and like a drop of morning dew that falls on the ground.
23 But you are merciful to all, for you can do all things,
and you overlook people’s sins, so that they may repent.
24 For you love all things that exist,
and detest none of the things that you have made,
for you would not have made anything if you had hated it.
25 How would anything have endured if you had not willed it?
Or how would anything not called forth by you have been preserved?
26 You spare all things, for they are yours, O Lord, you who love the living.

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12 For your immortal spirit is in all things.
2 Therefore you correct little by little those who trespass,
and you remind and warn them of the things through which they sin,
so that they may be freed from wickedness and put their trust in you, O Lord.
The Sins of the Canaanites

3 Those who lived long ago in your holy land
4 you hated for their detestable practices,
their works of sorcery and unholy rites,
5 their merciless slaughter[a] of children,
and their sacrificial feasting on human flesh and blood.
These initiates from the midst of a heathen cult,[b]
6 these parents who murder helpless lives,
you willed to destroy by the hands of our ancestors,
7 so that the land most precious of all to you
might receive a worthy colony of the servants[c] of God.
8 But even these you spared, since they were but mortals,
and sent wasps[d] as forerunners of your army
to destroy them little by little,
9 though you were not unable to give the ungodly into the hands of the righteous in battle,
or to destroy them at one blow by dread wild animals or your stern word.
10 But judging them little by little you gave them an opportunity to repent,
though you were not unaware that their origin[e] was evil
and their wickedness inborn,
and that their way of thinking would never change.
11 For they were an accursed race from the beginning,
and it was not through fear of anyone that you left them unpunished for their sins.
God Is Sovereign

12 For who will say,“What have you done?”
or will resist your judgment?
Who will accuse you for the destruction of nations that you made?
Or who will come before you to plead as an advocate for the unrighteous?
13 For neither is there any god besides you, whose care is for all people,[f]
to whom you should prove that you have not judged unjustly;
14 nor can any king or monarch confront you about those whom you have punished.
15 You are righteous and you rule all things righteously,
deeming it alien to your power
to condemn anyone who does not deserve to be punished.
16 For your strength is the source of righteousness,
and your sovereignty over all causes you to spare all.
17 For you show your strength when people doubt the completeness of your power,
and you rebuke any insolence among those who know it.[g]
18 Although you are sovereign in strength, you judge with mildness,
and with great forbearance you govern us;
for you have power to act whenever you choose.
God’s Lessons for Israel

19 Through such works you have taught your people
that the righteous must be kind,
and you have filled your children with good hope,
because you give repentance for sins.
20 For if you punished with such great care and indulgence[h]
the enemies of your servants[i] and those deserving of death,
granting them time and opportunity to give up their wickedness,
21 with what strictness you have judged your children,
to whose ancestors you gave oaths and covenants full of good promises!
22 So while chastening us you scourge our enemies ten thousand times more,
so that, when we judge, we may meditate upon your goodness,
and when we are judged, we may expect mercy.
The Punishment of the Egyptians

23 Therefore those who lived unrighteously, in a life of folly,
you tormented through their own abominations.
24 For they went far astray on the paths of error,
accepting as gods those animals that even their enemies[j] despised;
they were deceived like foolish infants.
25 Therefore, as though to children who cannot reason,
you sent your judgment to mock them.
26 But those who have not heeded the warning of mild rebukes
will experience the deserved judgment of God.
27 For when in their suffering they became incensed
at those creatures that they had thought to be gods, being punished by means of them,
they saw and recognized as the true God the one whom they had before refused to know.
Therefore the utmost condemnation came upon them.

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The Foolishness of Nature Worship

13 For all people who were ignorant of God were foolish by nature;
and they were unable from the good things that are seen to know the one who exists,
nor did they recognize the artisan while paying heed to his works;
2 but they supposed that either fire or wind or swift air,
or the circle of the stars, or turbulent water,
or the luminaries of heaven were the gods that rule the world.
3 If through delight in the beauty of these things people assumed them to be gods,
let them know how much better than these is their Lord,
for the author of beauty created them.
4 And if people[a] were amazed at their power and working,
let them perceive from them
how much more powerful is the one who formed them.
5 For from the greatness and beauty of created things
comes a corresponding perception of their Creator.
6 Yet these people are little to be blamed,
for perhaps they go astray
while seeking God and desiring to find him.
7 For while they live among his works, they keep searching,
and they trust in what they see, because the things that are seen are beautiful.
8 Yet again, not even they are to be excused;
9 for if they had the power to know so much
that they could investigate the world,
how did they fail to find sooner the Lord of these things?
The Foolishness of Idolatry

10 But miserable, with their hopes set on dead things, are those
who give the name “gods” to the works of human hands,
gold and silver fashioned with skill,
and likenesses of animals,
or a useless stone, the work of an ancient hand.
11 A skilled woodcutter may saw down a tree easy to handle
and skillfully strip off all its bark,
and then with pleasing workmanship
make a useful vessel that serves life’s needs,
12 and burn the cast-off pieces of his work
to prepare his food, and eat his fill.
13 But a cast-off piece from among them, useful for nothing,
a stick crooked and full of knots,
he takes and carves with care in his leisure,
and shapes it with skill gained in idleness;[b]
he forms it in the likeness of a human being,
14 or makes it like some worthless animal,
giving it a coat of red paint and coloring its surface red
and covering every blemish in it with paint;
15 then he makes a suitable niche for it,
and sets it in the wall, and fastens it there with iron.
16 He takes thought for it, so that it may not fall,
because he knows that it cannot help itself,
for it is only an image and has need of help.
17 When he prays about possessions and his marriage and children,
he is not ashamed to address a lifeless thing.
18 For health he appeals to a thing that is weak;
for life he prays to a thing that is dead;
for aid he entreats a thing that is utterly inexperienced;
for a prosperous journey, a thing that cannot take a step;
19 for money-making and work and success with his hands
he asks strength of a thing whose hands have no strength.

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Folly of a Navigator Praying to an Idol
14 Again, one preparing to sail and about to voyage over raging waves
calls upon a piece of wood more fragile than the ship that carries him.
2 For it was desire for gain that planned that vessel,
and wisdom was the artisan who built it;
3 but it is your providence, O Father, that steers its course,
because you have given it a path in the sea,
and a safe way through the waves,
4 showing that you can save from every danger,
so that even a person who lacks skill may put to sea.
5 It is your will that works of your wisdom should not be without effect;
therefore people trust their lives even to the smallest piece of wood,
and passing through the billows on a raft they come safely to land.
6 For even in the beginning, when arrogant giants were perishing,
the hope of the world took refuge on a raft,
and guided by your hand left to the world the seed of a new generation.
7 For blessed is the wood by which righteousness comes.
8 But the idol made with hands is accursed, and so is the one who made it—
he for having made it, and the perishable thing because it was named a god.
9 For equally hateful to God are the ungodly and their ungodliness;
10 for what was done will be punished together with the one who did it.
11 Therefore there will be a visitation also upon the heathen idols,
because, though part of what God created, they became an abomination,
snares for human souls
and a trap for the feet of the foolish.
The Origin and Evils of Idolatry
12 For the idea of making idols was the beginning of fornication,
and the invention of them was the corruption of life;
13 for they did not exist from the beginning,
nor will they last forever.
14 For through human vanity they entered the world,
and therefore their speedy end has been planned.
15 For a father, consumed with grief at an untimely bereavement,
made an image of his child, who had been suddenly taken from him;
he now honored as a god what was once a dead human being,
and handed on to his dependents secret rites and initiations.
16 Then the ungodly custom, grown strong with time, was kept as a law,
and at the command of monarchs carved images were worshiped.
17 When people could not honor monarchs[a] in their presence, since they lived at a distance,
they imagined their appearance far away,
and made a visible image of the king whom they honored,
so that by their zeal they might flatter the absent one as though present.
18 Then the ambition of the artisan impelled
even those who did not know the king to intensify their worship.
19 For he, perhaps wishing to please his ruler,
skillfully forced the likeness to take more beautiful form,
20 and the multitude, attracted by the charm of his work,
now regarded as an object of worship the one whom shortly before they had honored as a human being.
21 And this became a hidden trap for humankind,
because people, in bondage to misfortune or to royal authority,
bestowed on objects of stone or wood the name that ought not to be shared.
22 Then it was not enough for them to err about the knowledge of God,
but though living in great strife due to ignorance,
they call such great evils peace.
23 For whether they kill children in their initiations, or celebrate secret mysteries,
or hold frenzied revels with strange customs,
24 they no longer keep either their lives or their marriages pure,
but they either treacherously kill one another, or grieve one another by adultery,
25 and all is a raging riot of blood and murder, theft and deceit, corruption, faithlessness, tumult, perjury,
26 confusion over what is good, forgetfulness of favors,
defiling of souls, sexual perversion,
disorder in marriages, adultery, and debauchery.
27 For the worship of idols not to be named
is the beginning and cause and end of every evil.
28 For their worshipers[b] either rave in exultation,
or prophesy lies, or live unrighteously, or readily commit perjury;

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