Is homosexuality a sin?

Created by Travis Morgan on Oct 27, 2007

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Says It All

Santa Cruz, CA

#87411 Apr 25, 2013
4 Listen, my sons, to a father’s instruction;
pay attention and gain understanding.
2 I give you sound learning,
so do not forsake my teaching.
3 For I too was a son to my father,
still tender, and cherished by my mother.
4 Then he taught me, and he said to me,
“Take hold of my words with all your heart;
keep my commands, and you will live.
5 Get wisdom, get understanding;
do not forget my words or turn away from them.
6 Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you;
love her, and she will watch over you.
7 The beginning of wisdom is this: Get[a] wisdom.
Though it cost all you have,[b] get understanding.
8 Cherish her, and she will exalt you;
embrace her, and she will honor you.
9 She will give you a garland to grace your head
and present you with a glorious crown.”
10 Listen, my son, accept what I say,
and the years of your life will be many.
11 I instruct you in the way of wisdom
and lead you along straight paths.
12 When you walk, your steps will not be hampered;
when you run, you will not stumble.
13 Hold on to instruction, do not let it go;
guard it well, for it is your life.
14 Do not set foot on the path of the wicked
or walk in the way of evildoers.
15 Avoid it, do not travel on it;
turn from it and go on your way.
16 For they cannot rest until they do evil;
they are robbed of sleep till they make someone stumble.
17 They eat the bread of wickedness
and drink the wine of violence.
18 The path of the righteous is like the morning sun,
shining ever brighter till the full light of day.
19 But the way of the wicked is like deep darkness;
they do not know what makes them stumble.
20 My son, pay attention to what I say;
turn your ear to my words.
21 Do not let them out of your sight,
keep them within your heart;
22 for they are life to those who find them
and health to one’s whole body.
23 Above all else, guard your heart,
for everything you do flows from it.
24 Keep your mouth free of perversity;
keep corrupt talk far from your lips.
25 Let your eyes look straight ahead;
fix your gaze directly before you.
26 Give careful thought to the[c] paths for your feet
and be steadfast in all your ways.
27 Do not turn to the right or the left;
keep your foot from evil.
Says It All

Santa Cruz, CA

#87412 Apr 25, 2013
5 My son, pay attention to my wisdom,
turn your ear to my words of insight,
2 that you may maintain discretion
and your lips may preserve knowledge.
3 For the lips of the adulterous woman drip honey,
and her speech is smoother than oil;
4 but in the end she is bitter as gall,
sharp as a double-edged sword.
5 Her feet go down to death;
her steps lead straight to the grave.
6 She gives no thought to the way of life;
her paths wander aimlessly, but she does not know it.
7 Now then, my sons, listen to me;
do not turn aside from what I say.
8 Keep to a path far from her,
do not go near the door of her house,
9 lest you lose your honor to others
and your dignity[a] to one who is cruel,
10 lest strangers feast on your wealth
and your toil enrich the house of another.
11 At the end of your life you will groan,
when your flesh and body are spent.
12 You will say,“How I hated discipline!
How my heart spurned correction!
13 I would not obey my teachers
or turn my ear to my instructors.
14 And I was soon in serious trouble
in the assembly of God’s people.”
15 Drink water from your own cistern,
running water from your own well.
16 Should your springs overflow in the streets,
your streams of water in the public squares?
17 Let them be yours alone,
never to be shared with strangers.
18 May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 A loving doe, a graceful deer—
may her breasts satisfy you always,
may you ever be intoxicated with her love.
20 Why, my son, be intoxicated with another man’s wife?
Why embrace the bosom of a wayward woman?
21 For your ways are in full view of the Lord,
and he examines all your paths.
22 The evil deeds of the wicked ensnare them;
the cords of their sins hold them fast.
23 For lack of discipline they will die,
led astray by their own great folly.
Says It All

Santa Cruz, CA

#87413 Apr 25, 2013
6 My son, if you have put up security for your neighbor,
if you have shaken hands in pledge for a stranger,
2 you have been trapped by what you said,
ensnared by the words of your mouth.
3 So do this, my son, to free yourself,
since you have fallen into your neighbor’s hands:
Go—to the point of exhaustion—[a]
and give your neighbor no rest!
4 Allow no sleep to your eyes,
no slumber to your eyelids.
5 Free yourself, like a gazelle from the hand of the hunter,
like a bird from the snare of the fowler.
6 Go to the ant, you sluggard;
consider its ways and be wise!
7 It has no commander,
no overseer or ruler,
8 yet it stores its provisions in summer
and gathers its food at harvest.
9 How long will you lie there, you sluggard?
When will you get up from your sleep?
10 A little sleep, a little slumber,
a little folding of the hands to rest—
11 and poverty will come on you like a thief
and scarcity like an armed man.
12 A troublemaker and a villain,
who goes about with a corrupt mouth,
13 who winks maliciously with his eye,
signals with his feet
and motions with his fingers,
14 who plots evil with deceit in his heart—
he always stirs up conflict.
15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant;
he will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy.
16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
Warning Against Adultery

20 My son, keep your father’s command
and do not forsake your mother’s teaching.
21 Bind them always on your heart;
fasten them around your neck.
22 When you walk, they will guide you;
when you sleep, they will watch over you;
when you awake, they will speak to you.
23 For this command is a lamp,
this teaching is a light,
and correction and instruction
are the way to life,
24 keeping you from your neighbor’s wife,
from the smooth talk of a wayward woman.
25 Do not lust in your heart after her beauty
or let her captivate you with her eyes.
26 For a prostitute can be had for a loaf of bread,
but another man’s wife preys on your very life.
27 Can a man scoop fire into his lap
without his clothes being burned?
28 Can a man walk on hot coals
without his feet being scorched?
29 So is he who sleeps with another man’s wife;
no one who touches her will go unpunished.
30 People do not despise a thief if he steals
to satisfy his hunger when he is starving.
31 Yet if he is caught, he must pay sevenfold,
though it costs him all the wealth of his house.
32 But a man who commits adultery has no sense;
whoever does so destroys himself.
33 Blows and disgrace are his lot,
and his shame will never be wiped away.
34 For jealousy arouses a husband’s fury,
and he will show no mercy when he takes revenge.
35 He will not accept any compensation;
Says It All

Santa Cruz, CA

#87414 Apr 25, 2013
7 My son, keep my words
and store up my commands within you.
2 Keep my commands and you will live;
guard my teachings as the apple of your eye.
3 Bind them on your fingers;
write them on the tablet of your heart.
4 Say to wisdom,“You are my sister,”
and to insight,“You are my relative.”
5 They will keep you from the adulterous woman,
from the wayward woman with her seductive words.
6 At the window of my house
I looked down through the lattice.
7 I saw among the simple,
I noticed among the young men,
a youth who had no sense.
8 He was going down the street near her corner,
walking along in the direction of her house
9 at twilight, as the day was fading,
as the dark of night set in.
10 Then out came a woman to meet him,
dressed like a prostitute and with crafty intent.
11 (She is unruly and defiant,
her feet never stay at home;
12 now in the street, now in the squares,
at every corner she lurks.)
13 She took hold of him and kissed him
and with a brazen face she said:
14 “Today I fulfilled my vows,
and I have food from my fellowship offering at home.
15 So I came out to meet you;
I looked for you and have found you!
16 I have covered my bed
with colored linens from Egypt.
17 I have perfumed my bed
with myrrh, aloes and cinnamon.
18 Come, let’s drink deeply of love till morning;
let’s enjoy ourselves with love!
19 My husband is not at home;
he has gone on a long journey.
20 He took his purse filled with money
and will not be home till full moon.”
21 With persuasive words she led him astray;
she seduced him with her smooth talk.
22 All at once he followed her
like an ox going to the slaughter,
like a deer[a] stepping into a noose[b]
23 till an arrow pierces his liver,
like a bird darting into a snare,
little knowing it will cost him his life.
24 Now then, my sons, listen to me;
pay attention to what I say.
25 Do not let your heart turn to her ways
or stray into her paths.
26 Many are the victims she has brought down;
her slain are a mighty throng.
27 Her house is a highway to the grave,
leading down to the chambers of death.
Says It All

Santa Cruz, CA

#87415 Apr 25, 2013
8 Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:
4 “To you, O people, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.
5 You who are simple, gain prudence;
you who are foolish, set your hearts on it.[a]
6 Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say;
I open my lips to speak what is right.
7 My mouth speaks what is true,
for my lips detest wickedness.
8 All the words of my mouth are just;
none of them is crooked or perverse.
9 To the discerning all of them are right;
they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
10 Choose my instruction instead of silver,
knowledge rather than choice gold,
11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies,
and nothing you desire can compare with her.
12 “I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;
I possess knowledge and discretion.
13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.
14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine;
I have insight, I have power.
15 By me kings reign
and rulers issue decrees that are just;
16 by me princes govern,
and nobles—all who rule on earth.[b]
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me find me.
18 With me are riches and honor,
enduring wealth and prosperity.
19 My fruit is better than fine gold;
what I yield surpasses choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
along the paths of justice,
21 bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me
and making their treasuries full.
22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,[c][d]
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly[e] at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.
32 “Now then, my children, listen to me;
blessed are those who keep my ways.
33 Listen to my instruction and be wise;
do not disregard it.
34 Blessed are those who listen to me,
watching daily at my doors,
waiting at my doorway.
35 For those who find me find life
and receive favor from the Lord.
36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves;
all who hate me love death.”

Since: Aug 11

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#87416 Apr 25, 2013
9 Wisdom has built her house;
she has set up[a] its seven pillars.
2 She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine;
she has also set her table.
3 She has sent out her servants, and she calls
from the highest point of the city,
4 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
5 “Come, eat my food
and drink the wine I have mixed.
6 Leave your simple ways and you will live;
walk in the way of insight.”
7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults;
whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.
8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you;
rebuke the wise and they will love you.
9 Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still;
teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For through wisdom[b] your days will be many,
and years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you;
if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.
13 Folly is an unruly woman;
she is simple and knows nothing.
14 She sits at the door of her house,
on a seat at the highest point of the city,
15 calling out to those who pass by,
who go straight on their way,
16 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
17 “Stolen water is sweet;
food eaten in secret is delicious!”
18 But little do they know that the dead are there,
that her guests are deep in the realm of the dead.

Since: Aug 11

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#87417 Apr 25, 2013
10 The proverbs of Solomon:

A wise son brings joy to his father,
but a foolish son brings grief to his mother.
2 Ill-gotten treasures have no lasting value,
but righteousness delivers from death.
3 The Lord does not let the righteous go hungry,
but he thwarts the craving of the wicked.
4 Lazy hands make for poverty,
but diligent hands bring wealth.
5 He who gathers crops in summer is a prudent son,
but he who sleeps during harvest is a disgraceful son.
6 Blessings crown the head of the righteous,
but violence overwhelms the mouth of the wicked.[a]
7 The name of the righteous is used in blessings,[b]
but the name of the wicked will rot.
8 The wise in heart accept commands,
but a chattering fool comes to ruin.
9 Whoever walks in integrity walks securely,
but whoever takes crooked paths will be found out.
10 Whoever winks maliciously causes grief,
and a chattering fool comes to ruin.
11 The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life,
but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence.
12 Hatred stirs up conflict,
but love covers over all wrongs.
13 Wisdom is found on the lips of the discerning,
but a rod is for the back of one who has no sense.
14 The wise store up knowledge,
but the mouth of a fool invites ruin.
15 The wealth of the rich is their fortified city,
but poverty is the ruin of the poor.
16 The wages of the righteous is life,
but the earnings of the wicked are sin and death.
17 Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life,
but whoever ignores correction leads others astray.
18 Whoever conceals hatred with lying lips
and spreads slander is a fool.
19 Sin is not ended by multiplying words,
but the prudent hold their tongues.
20 The tongue of the righteous is choice silver,
but the heart of the wicked is of little value.
21 The lips of the righteous nourish many,
but fools die for lack of sense.
22 The blessing of the Lord brings wealth,
without painful toil for it.
23 A fool finds pleasure in wicked schemes,
but a person of understanding delights in wisdom.
24 What the wicked dread will overtake them;
what the righteous desire will be granted.
25 When the storm has swept by, the wicked are gone,
but the righteous stand firm forever.
26 As vinegar to the teeth and smoke to the eyes,
so are sluggards to those who send them.
27 The fear of the Lord adds length to life,
but the years of the wicked are cut short.
28 The prospect of the righteous is joy,
but the hopes of the wicked come to nothing.
29 The way of the Lord is a refuge for the blameless,
but it is the ruin of those who do evil.
30 The righteous will never be uprooted,
but the wicked will not remain in the land.
31 From the mouth of the righteous comes the fruit of wisdom,
but a perverse tongue will be silenced.
32 The lips of the righteous know what finds favor,
but the mouth of the wicked only what is perverse.

Since: Aug 11

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#87418 Apr 25, 2013
11 The Lord detests dishonest scales,
but accurate weights find favor with him.
2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace,
but with humility comes wisdom.
3 The integrity of the upright guides them,
but the unfaithful are destroyed by their duplicity.
4 Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath,
but righteousness delivers from death.
5 The righteousness of the blameless makes their paths straight,
but the wicked are brought down by their own wickedness.
6 The righteousness of the upright delivers them,
but the unfaithful are trapped by evil desires.
7 Hopes placed in mortals die with them;
all the promise of[a] their power comes to nothing.
8 The righteous person is rescued from trouble,
and it falls on the wicked instead.
9 With their mouths the godless destroy their neighbors,
but through knowledge the righteous escape.
10 When the righteous prosper, the city rejoices;
when the wicked perish, there are shouts of joy.
11 Through the blessing of the upright a city is exalted,
but by the mouth of the wicked it is destroyed.
12 Whoever derides their neighbor has no sense,
but the one who has understanding holds their tongue.
13 A gossip betrays a confidence,
but a trustworthy person keeps a secret.
14 For lack of guidance a nation falls,
but victory is won through many advisers.
15 Whoever puts up security for a stranger will surely suffer,
but whoever refuses to shake hands in pledge is safe.
16 A kindhearted woman gains honor,
but ruthless men gain only wealth.
17 Those who are kind benefit themselves,
but the cruel bring ruin on themselves.
18 A wicked person earns deceptive wages,
but the one who sows righteousness reaps a sure reward.
19 Truly the righteous attain life,
but whoever pursues evil finds death.
20 The Lord detests those whose hearts are perverse,
but he delights in those whose ways are blameless.
21 Be sure of this: The wicked will not go unpunished,
but those who are righteous will go free.
22 Like a gold ring in a pig’s snout
is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.
23 The desire of the righteous ends only in good,
but the hope of the wicked only in wrath.
24 One person gives freely, yet gains even more;
another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty.
25 A generous person will prosper;
whoever refreshes others will be refreshed.
26 People curse the one who hoards grain,
but they pray God’s blessing on the one who is willing to sell.
27 Whoever seeks good finds favor,
but evil comes to one who searches for it.
28 Those who trust in their riches will fall,
but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf.
29 Whoever brings ruin on their family will inherit only wind,
and the fool will be servant to the wise.
30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life,
and the one who is wise saves lives.
31 If the righteous receive their due on earth,
how much more the ungodly and the sinner!

Since: Aug 11

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#87419 Apr 25, 2013
Wisdom 5
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
5 Then the righteous will stand with great confidence
in the presence of those who have oppressed them
and those who make light of their labors.
2 When the unrighteous[a] see them, they will be shaken with dreadful fear,
and they will be amazed at the unexpected salvation of the righteous.
3 They will speak to one another in repentance,
and in anguish of spirit they will groan, and say,
4 “These are persons whom we once held in derision
and made a byword of reproach—fools that we were!
We thought that their lives were madness
and that their end was without honor.
5 Why have they been numbered among the children of God?
And why is their lot among the saints?
6 So it was we who strayed from the way of truth,
and the light of righteousness did not shine on us,
and the sun did not rise upon us.
7 We took our fill of the paths of lawlessness and destruction,
and we journeyed through trackless deserts,
but the way of the Lord we have not known.
8 What has our arrogance profited us?
And what good has our boasted wealth brought us?
9 “All those things have vanished like a shadow,
and like a rumor that passes by;
10 like a ship that sails through the billowy water,
and when it has passed no trace can be found,
no track of its keel in the waves;
11 or as, when a bird flies through the air,
no evidence of its passage is found;
the light air, lashed by the beat of its pinions
and pierced by the force of its rushing flight,
is traversed by the movement of its wings,
and afterward no sign of its coming is found there;
12 or as, when an arrow is shot at a target,
the air, thus divided, comes together at once,
so that no one knows its pathway.
13 So we also, as soon as we were born, ceased to be,
and we had no sign of virtue to show,
but were consumed in our wickedness.”
14 Because the hope of the ungodly is like thistledown[b] carried by the wind,
and like a light frost[c] driven away by a storm;
it is dispersed like smoke before the wind,
and it passes like the remembrance of a guest who stays but a day.
The Reward of the Righteous

15 But the righteous live forever,
and their reward is with the Lord;
the Most High takes care of them.
16 Therefore they will receive a glorious crown
and a beautiful diadem from the hand of the Lord,
because with his right hand he will cover them,
and with his arm he will shield them.
17 The Lord[d] will take his zeal as his whole armor,
and will arm all creation to repel[e] his enemies;
18 he will put on righteousness as a breastplate,
and wear impartial justice as a helmet;
19 he will take holiness as an invincible shield,
20 and sharpen stern wrath for a sword,
and creation will join with him to fight against his frenzied foes.
21 Shafts of lightning will fly with true aim,
and will leap from the clouds to the target, as from a well-drawn bow,
22 and hailstones full of wrath will be hurled as from a catapult;
the water of the sea will rage against them,
and rivers will relentlessly overwhelm them;
23 a mighty wind will rise against them,
and like a tempest it will winnow them away.
Lawlessness will lay waste the whole earth,
and evildoing will overturn the thrones of rulers.

Since: Aug 11

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#87420 Apr 25, 2013
Description of Wisdom

12 Wisdom is radiant and unfading,
and she is easily discerned by those who love her,
and is found by those who seek her.
13 She hastens to make herself known to those who desire her.
14 One who rises early to seek her will have no difficulty,
for she will be found sitting at the gate.
15 To fix one’s thought on her is perfect understanding,
and one who is vigilant on her account will soon be free from care,
16 because she goes about seeking those worthy of her,
and she graciously appears to them in their paths,
and meets them in every thought.
17 The beginning of wisdom[a] is the most sincere desire for instruction,
and concern for instruction is love of her,
18 and love of her is the keeping of her laws,
and giving heed to her laws is assurance of immortality,
19 and immortality brings one near to God;
20 so the desire for wisdom leads to a kingdom.
21 Therefore if you delight in thrones and scepters, O monarchs over the peoples,
honor wisdom, so that you may reign forever.
22 I will tell you what wisdom is and how she came to be,
and I will hide no secrets from you,
but I will trace her course from the beginning of creation,
and make knowledge of her clear,
and I will not pass by the truth;
23 nor will I travel in the company of sickly envy,
for envy[b] does not associate with wisdom.
24 The multitude of the wise is the salvation of the world,
and a sensible king is the stability of any people.
25 Therefore be instructed by my words, and you will profit.
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

#87421 Apr 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

#87422 Apr 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypsez666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

#87423 Apr 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

thena why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

#87424 Apr 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalaypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

#87425 Apr 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then wzhy use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

#87426 Apr 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then whsy use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

#87427 Apr 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
z
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

#87428 Apr 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

tbhen why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

#87429 Apr 25, 2013
fNew Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?
WasteWater

San Diego, CA

#87430 Apr 25, 2013
gNew Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and funny thing about their wait.

it is always "the time is highe - REPENT!- Jesus will return.

"
Well how long did the Bible say I

have to wait for his return? I

think I

read somewhere that over the past 2000 years there has been over 80 incidents that the individual (or individuals) continue on the tradition and state a date he is to return.

but lo and behold.

I

guess we'll have to keep waiting.

This is just one of the falacies that really proves that the Christain religion is built on lies and incorrect interpetations of life in ancient times.

As I

stated in an earlier post.

and as I

have asked for many a years.

If God and Jesus so love their people.

why is it he never shows up (only on South Park) to show that love and caring need.

Not a very caring Father to his children.


Why would you think that His love for His own would be visible for you to see?

It is a personal relationship between Hashem and His own.



His own know that He loves and cares for them.

6838

EXSF wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually- it's you believers whose glass is half empty.

Those of us that have a fulfilled life don't see the need to try and fill a spiritual void.

That's a glass half-empty attitude if there ever was one.

You guys should learn to appreciate what is and quit looking to fill your glass with imaginings.


Those who belong to Him know that they can be more than what they are.



There is more than what is visible in the world.



He allows His own who fully submit to Him to be all that they can be: mentally.

physically.

spiritually.

etc.



Before you judge others.

take a look in the mirror.

You may find that you yourself are lacking.



If folks try to better themselves then perhaps they would take the time to stop judging others so much.

It is rhetorical.

Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because somebody like you was going to get all Mumbo Jumbo on it.

.

.

Ohhhh spooky demons.

.

.

!!!!
All of your defense is absolutely weak.

.

.

You got absolutely nothing.

Why would such a grand being be so hard to prove?
Your the believers and something like this should be easy to prove regardless if a person believes or not/
If god is real then he is fact.

You've talked yourself in circles.

have no defense.

All this means is you cannot prove that god is real or any god for that matter.

You can't prove it.

The reason I

asked is for having such a strong following that at least one of you could prove it.

.

No body would be stupid enough to follow such a thing that takes that much commitment just by word of mouth!!
That would be plum stupid.

Saying stuff about believing and faith all the time just means thats it's only tie to deceiving people.

Thats a pretty stupid premise to begin with and an almighty god should be above such petty things.

I asked to see if you could prove that god is real with no margin of error or personal take on it.

just like 1+1=2 can you prove god is real?
You can't and you won't.


If I

am correct.

you do not believe in G-d.

bible.

etc.



If I

am wrong.

please state so.



So if you don't believe that He exists.

bible is null and void.

etc.

then why use apolcalypse666?

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