Is homosexuality a sin?

Created by Travis Morgan on Oct 27, 2007

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“some...you just can't reach”

Since: Jun 08

others...you don't want to

#75193 Oct 17, 2012
Speed Bump on 18th wrote:
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Who ME ?, I must assume that since you gave ď YOU ď the high cap that you were referring to me.
Well no I have not slang any "intelligence" based insults toward anyone on this thread with the exception of Bob.
And yes I could have easily have spelled it supid . After all I spell at a third grade level and insofar as grammar there is isnít none..
But I am not worried as I know my IQ in all divisional respected areas and all my aptitudes scores , letís just say I am prone toward the mathematical , I am dyslexic as well in essence brain dead in some respects BUT my IQ does have 3 digits .
Truth is I do not know Bob is not intelligent he probably is and indeed I ought not to have done that.
Intelligence scores are not always what they are cracked up to be ,, Bob might be a concrete type thinker that is incapable of his own independent thinking , he believes what he was told by his preacher cause it is in the bible.
I am sure Bob is a very sincere Christian. He is just so black and white in his reasoning and can never see beyond what he was taught ,
:)
i was referring to who you had replied to, my apologies for any confusion ......."you" was meant in generic terms....

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#75194 Oct 17, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Good question. How about separation from God for starters?
SO then you are gay?
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75195 Oct 17, 2012
Has anyone seen the new show "The New Normal"? For all of you bigoted, racist, ignorant folks on this thread, maybe you should watch a few episodes. It shows how such ignorance is unneeded, and even hurtful. It looks at both sides of LGBT relationships.(This one adds a woman having a baby for them, with her own odd 9 year old daughter, and totally right wing, bigoted, ignorant grandmother, who speaks her ignorant mind.) You might learn something about your hateful ignorance. Though, I doubt it.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#75196 Oct 17, 2012
_Chartreuse_ wrote:
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Not in the way that could be taken. There are different types of love. Love for God, common love like in relationships, and compassion love for people even if u don't know them. Jesus had pure love/compassion for all people which would include homosexuals. It's known he hung around with "sinners" an example like is a taxman & a prostitute.
Why was the taxman a sinner?
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75197 Oct 17, 2012
I don't know if he chose to be stupid or not....he can certainly try to let that title go and educate oneself with facts, as well as compassion for ALL of his neighbors (next house, next city, next state, next country. All people are his neighbors, and he treats many of them with disgust....as only a true ignorant, hateful, bigoted racist asshole could do.)
chuck69 wrote:
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and for some.....nature intended them to be gay......when did you choose to be stupid??....oh that's right.....you had no choice...it just came natural
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75198 Oct 17, 2012
Oh, and just for clarification, I made that response to a response you gave Grunt. So, it's Grunt I'm talking about specifically, but it does hold weight for all like Grunt.
chuck69 wrote:
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and for some.....nature intended them to be gay......when did you choose to be stupid??....oh that's right.....you had no choice...it just came natural

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#75199 Oct 17, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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You can believe whatever you want. In fact it is clear you do.
You cannot identify David and Jonathon as gay when there is no clear evidence.
Interesting that you diminish the element of sex when we talk about it in reference to homosexuality, but narrow love down to sex when it fits your agenda. The idiocy of that is further exposed by your assertion that soul mates have to be sexually involved.
The bottom line is, you can design any religion you want. But you cannot pick and choose, and gay twirl the Bible and call it Christianity.
Yeah I suppose two gays in love can just jerk off on each others faces. No sex, no contact. Then there is no "sin of homosexuality".
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75200 Oct 17, 2012
I did have to skip ahead 60 pages from where I left off. But what they said made all the sense in the world to me, even without reading what they were responding to. Here is a refresher in case you've forgotten:

Tired o religious nutters wrote:
_Chartreuse_ wrote:
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Sodom & Gomorrah wasn't just about homosexuality it was about lots of different excesses and about disobedience to God.
You CLAIM to believe in an imaginary world at full contradiction to reality, and then are shocked when reality does not conform to your imaginary world.
That's the definition of "stupid".

And for the record, Tired of religious nutters is correct when it comes to Sodom & Gomorrah. It wasn't about homosexuality, at least not specifically. If you think this, and think you know your Bible, then maybe you should study that part again, and read it for real this time.
_Chartreuse_ wrote:
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I'm wondering whether to sign out and go grey box back in with a "UK" proxy and call myself "Tired o Phil Gray's old trolls"
I think perhaps ur completely insane. Ur response to my post makes no sense whatsoever.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75201 Oct 17, 2012
LlE Buster wrote:
<quoted text>First, you can not count closet gays, since studies show that they likely state that they are gay. Also, if you are in the closet, then you are not gay. Also, bisexuals are not gay, they are inherently mostly heterosexual in practice and 25% of transgenders are heterosexual.

That is the most hilarious thing I've ever read. Not gay if they are in the closet. HILARIOUS. No, they are simply not having gay relationships. That does not mean they are not gay. And of course bisexuals aren't gay. They are bisexuals. They like both sexes, though not always equally. I'd really like to know where the hell Lie buster get's their information. I'd really like to see factual data to back their claims up. I know they won't post any, because they are pulling this info out of their asses, as usual. Right along with the so called statistics of gays. They will either believe whatever it is they are told (first) and then go right on parroting the false information.
Lie buster sounds like quite the hypocrite. Stating, with their name that they are busting lies, but telling lies at the same time. Really makes me laugh.
I can see that nothing has really changed much since 60 pages ago, except maybe some new names. Probably the same people, but just changed into another sock puppet. This looks like the work of Bob or one of his cohorts.
RatherBeInMissouri wrote:
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I didn't count closet gays, but it is logical to think that the numbers would be significantly larger if we could.
If you're in the closet, you're not gay? Please explain.
You mean to tell me, even though *I* knew I was gay, before I came out I wasn't gay? Even though I knew I was?
That's almost the stupidest thing I've EVER read.
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Mine were real facts from a trustworthy source that I posted a link to.
Where is your link to the trustworthy source of your absurd numbers?
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75202 Oct 17, 2012
Well said.
RatherBeInMissouri wrote:
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First of all, maybe you should attend the next gay pride even in your area and see for yourself.
Second, I currently am not nor will I ever be infected with AIDS, depressed, alcoholic, drug addicted, suicidal, nor have I met many homosexuals that are. In fact, most of the depressed, druggie, alcoholic diseased people I have met have been completely heterosexual.
Third, have you bothered to compare those stats with national averages accross the population? Have you bothered to provide us with a link to where you got your inFAUX so that we may see for ourselves?
Nope. Annnd... Nope.
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Those are individual freedoms. When you represent a medical establishment, research facility etc as a profession, your professional rights become whatever your employer allows. There is no freedom of religion in science.
A psychiatrist or psychologist has an obligation to use approved methods of treatment for approved and legitimate disorders and not to stray from that without risk of losing their license to practice, and therefore, credibility.
See how that works?
You wouldn't want some shrink treating your OCD with unapproved drugs or even risky brain surgery because of their "freedom of privacy, speech and religion" would you? The APA does not approve of "reparative" therapy and now there are laws going up against it to keep otherwise credible doctors from ruining their careers and people's lives.... Just like when they did away with invasive Electroshock therapy.
Do your homework, kid.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75203 Oct 17, 2012
Actually, there is one way his name can be misspelled, but it still suits him perfectly.....BOOB.
RatherBeInMissouri wrote:
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At least bob keeps it simple.
He stick strictly to cut and paste, avoids reading anything anyone says so his replies are consistently nonsense and irrelevant.
And his name is IMPOSSIBLE to mispell!
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75204 Oct 17, 2012
I'm not sure which sock puppet you are, but I would think that repeating the same exact post over and over again is either stupid, or remarkably insane. Go look up the definition of insanity.....better yet:
Doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results is the true definition of insanity.
I believe that's exactly what it is you're doing, isn't it?
Tired o religious nutters wrote:
_Chartreuse_ wrote:
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Sodom & Gomorah wasn't just about homosexuality it was about lots of different excesses and about disobedience to God.
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You CLAIM to believe in an imaginary world at full contradiction to reality, and then are shocked when reality does not conform to your imaginary world.
That's the definition of "stupid".
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75205 Oct 17, 2012
I've heard that same theory, based on the same tablet, only that the asteroid broke into many hundreds of pieces before raining down around the area of Sodom and Gomorrah, and would also explain (I can't explain it now, I don't remember exactly how it went) the column of "salt" that she turned into when she looked back on the city. They didn't have the knowledge of space and asteroids during that time, and when things like this happened, they struck out at made up Gods as punishing them. Just as they sacraficed a virgin for the crops, or other ridiculous things like that. They felt they had made the God angry, so God threw fire down on them, when it can actually be explained, using this found artifact.
EMS Servant wrote:
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Speaking of Soddom and Gomorrah:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343674,00...
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75206 Oct 17, 2012
But pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation. It's a disease, where one uses power and control over a young child to gain sexual gratification. Homosexuality and heterosexuality, or bisexuality, or any of those, are not the same, or even in the same category, as pedophilia. Pedophilia and rape, do however, have something in common. Please, don't try to associate LGBT with pedophilia or rape. It's not right. And it is no different than associating heterosexuality with pedophilia and rape. Which is to say, it's not a correct association.
EMS Servant wrote:
Homosexuals are born they way they are, and they can't help who they are attracted to.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/opinion/cantor-...
Apparently so are pedophiles...
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#75207 Oct 17, 2012
No, homosexuality is the attraction to the opposite sex. Pedophilia is the attraction to the control over a young child, regardless (mostly) of the childs sex. Homophobia is a sexual orientation. Pedophilia is a sexual mental disease. Big difference between the two.
And who are you to say what a normal human should be "attracted" (not attracked) to, regarding sexual orientation (of legal age and consent)? When died and left you in charge of all of humanity, to judge?
EMS Servant wrote:
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My point is that just because there is some preexisting biological mechanism at work that makes you attracted to something other than what a normal human of your gender should be attracked to doesn't make it right. But if a person wanted to advocate for pedophilia then they could use the same arguments that one might use for gay rights.
Let me ask you this:if 45 year old man is seeing an 11 year old girl...she knows what sex is and they are in a "consentual relationship". I'll play devil's advocate and defend the relationship and I bet it will sound very familiar. The only difference is parts of society says one is okay while condeming the other based on the number of people saying it's right.

“What came 1st? Stupid or bigot”

Since: Sep 08

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#75208 Oct 17, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
Has anyone seen the new show "The New Normal"? For all of you bigoted, racist, ignorant folks on this thread, maybe you should watch a few episodes. It shows how such ignorance is unneeded, and even hurtful. It looks at both sides of LGBT relationships.(This one adds a woman having a baby for them, with her own odd 9 year old daughter, and totally right wing, bigoted, ignorant grandmother, who speaks her ignorant mind.) You might learn something about your hateful ignorance. Though, I doubt it.
I love that show! I really appreciate that they put the gay couple in such a real world, dealing with hatred, insults, people that don't understand and at the same time showing what that does to people. Insults and hatred DO hurt. And I think there have been some excellent examples on this show of what the effect of some people "speaking their minds" really does to a person's psyche and how one outburst can tear a person down.
The show really shows the humanity of the LGBT community and what we deal with. Some people tend to think we are less than human, that we have no feelings and that we deserve to be walked on because we are somehow.... not real people.
I know the bigots won't watch the show... but I have also thought it would be good, if not educational for them to see the humanity, the emotion, the hurt, the normal every day lives we lead, and that we ARE PEOPLE.
Thanks for posting this.
Orangelion

Wrexham, UK

#75209 Oct 17, 2012
You haven't proved yet that gays are natural, don't go through that guilt trip with me RatehrBeInMissuo ri.
Prince Helmut Pipke

Baltimore, MD

#75210 Oct 17, 2012
True Truth wrote:
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Yeah I suppose two gays in love can just jerk off on each others faces. No sex, no contact. Then there is no "sin of homosexuality".
if they don't f... each other,it means they are no gays,just two earthly testotrone dead poor male friends,or 2 female old witches
Prince Helmut Pipke

Baltimore, MD

#75211 Oct 17, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
But pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation. It's a disease, where one uses power and control over a young child to gain sexual gratification. Homosexuality and heterosexuality, or bisexuality, or any of those, are not the same, or even in the same category, as pedophilia. Pedophilia and rape, do however, have something in common. Please, don't try to associate LGBT with pedophilia or rape. It's not right. And it is no different than associating heterosexuality with pedophilia and rape. Which is to say, it's not a correct association.<quoted text>
phedofila and homosexualism is not only disease,
but also degeneration,and filth growing like wild woods poison mushroom on this earth,
from this mushroom spread around white stinking deadly maggots,consuming morality,health and human Societies

Since: Oct 12

Hattiesburg, MS

#75212 Oct 17, 2012
people1st wrote:
<quoted text>Well, here's what I think. We let other sinners attend, why not them? Now, if they are proclaiming themselves to be Christians but continue to live in the homosexual lifestyle, then probably they would be asked to not hold any leadership positions, and then if it still continues, we would probably ask them to leave. However, none of that is to be done in a rude or hateful manner. Much prayer should go into the situation as well.
We've had some in our church that were living together that weren't married, and after they got saved, they chose to get married.
Our church will can sin sin, but never in a hateful manner.
The cliche "hate the sin, love the sinner" actually holds truth.
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So what you're saying is that no leaders in the church are sinners thats why they aren't ask to step down or leave the church. My partner of twenty years and I will see you in heaven or where ever it is we go. Was God conducting some big science project or something??? What happened to all the souls before the coming of Christ??????????

You can't answer that, th bible doesn't and who gave the authority to the MEN who purposely left out many books that were to included in the bible. You don't know jack, so just have faith as do an focus on your own sins not the sins of others. And don't talk about being hateful, because just putting this topic on here was one purely to stur up hate and you know it so you better ask for forgiveness immediately. I feel sorry for people like you who feel the need to focus on others sins because they're afraid to focus on their own. Hell, masturbation is a sin, but you've never done that either...... "It is better to spill your seed in the belly of a WHORE than on the ground"??????????

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