Is homosexuality a sin?

[JDubbizback]

S_A_W wrote:

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Are you saying that it is less sinful to enter into a marriage (where you swear before God that you will uphold said vows), and then willingly and consciously go against them by having an affair? The argument of marriage being a sanctified construct is only valid when said sanctity is repsected.....denying others the right to enter a union when they honestly wish to uphold it, yet welcoming those who actively spit upon it as they flaunt it's 'goodness' is sad. From what you have written, if I am reading it right, is that marriage is not important enough to keep to the vows (and it is that very mentality that should not be allowed to marry). You don't make a vow to God to respect, cherish and love food, using such an example is being deliberately foolish and you have essentially invalidated your whole rant. You are not breaking an oath.....unless you promised your doctor not to....
Here is my logic: If you are unable to keep to your word, if you are weak willed and flighty, don't marry. You're only hurting others and shaming yourself. Now you can say what you want to that.

Sad but true... unfortunately marriage is only a man made concept using God to justify there conceptions.

[philchud]

thats obamas kind of people he thinks they are going to reelect him he is a queer also as well as the evil rev wright

[Rick in Kansas]

Adam wrote:

You deserve only hate.

Gee, thanks, that's mighty Christian/Muslim/Jewish of you. I wish I could return the favor, but to be honest with you Adolf, you're just not worth the effort needed to hate you. I have no more feeling about you than any other crap I have to scrape from my shoe.

[Rick in Kansas]

Adam wrote:

@Rick In Kansas
You waggle your ass like a dog prostitute.

That's probably a 'thought' best saved for discussion with your mental health professional.

[Rick in Kansas]

philchud wrote:

thats obamas kind of people he thinks they are going to reelect him he is a queer also as well as the evil rev wright

Please, please, please, tell us that you don't bother to vote. It's 'informed' voters like you who make democracy look like a really, really bad idea. She's in a corner crying and shrieking in horror at the thought of you in a voting booth, please tell her you don't vote.

[Ds Higgins1]

KiMare wrote:

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Thank you.
Your post that addressed marriage was equally excellent and succinct!

Even tho I can't recall the specific post, I do 'preciate that....

[Ds Higgins1]

S_A_W wrote:

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Are you saying that it is less sinful to enter into a marriage (where you swear before God that you will uphold said vows), and then willingly and consciously go against them by having an affair? The argument of marriage being a sanctified construct is only valid when said sanctity is repsected.....denying others the right to enter a union when they honestly wish to uphold it, yet welcoming those who actively spit upon it as they flaunt it's 'goodness' is sad. From what you have written, if I am reading it right, is that marriage is not important enough to keep to the vows (and it is that very mentality that should not be allowed to marry). You don't make a vow to God to respect, cherish and love food, using such an example is being deliberately foolish and you have essentially invalidated your whole rant. You are not breaking an oath.....unless you promised your doctor not to....
Here is my logic: If you are unable to keep to your word, if you are weak willed and flighty, don't marry. You're only hurting others and shaming yourself. Now you can say what you want to that.

Its only your contorted logic thats led you to these silly conclusions. I respect my marrital vows, and I recommend everyone do the same. But I'm saying that marriage, by definition, ONLY involves a man and a woman..... Anything else is NOT marriage at all.

The very term "matrimony" means mother and father..... Not father/father or mother/mother.

[Ds Higgins1]

JDubbizback wrote:

<quoted text> Sad but true... unfortunately marriage is only a man made concept using God to justify there conceptions.

Throughout history, "marriage" is an institution thats always involved a man and a wife...

[Ds Higgins1]

theodora wrote:

what i meant 2 say was I am a Homosexual and i luv being GAY!!!!!!

I'm a heterosexual, and I "luv" being GAY as well..... Whats yer point?

[Rick in Kansas]

Ds Higgins1 wrote:

But I'm saying that marriage, by definition, ONLY involves a man and a woman..... Anything else is NOT marriage at all.
The very term "matrimony" means mother and father..... Not father/father or mother/mother.

According to whose definition of marriage would that be? Yes, yes, yes, we are all well aware that since even before recorded history,'marriage' as a concept has applied all but exclusively to opposite sex relationships of various make-ups. It's an argument which proves absolutely nothing. It certainly doesn't make for a rational argument as to why on earth we should consider your operational definition for 'marriage' the only acceptable one. Same sex 'marriages', both legally recognized and blessed by relevant Gods, have occurred off an on probably as long as there has been a concept of opposite sex 'marriage'. At no point have empires fallen, cities obliterated by fire and brimstone as a message from God, or the world ended as a direct result. The human race's self treatment when it comes to its own Lesbian and Gay offspring ebbs and flows throughout history. Acceptance and understanding comes and goes, usually replaced with just rejection and ignorance, but more frequently with outright hatred and downright stupid. Those of us who are Lesbian and Gay have finally gotten tired of having to live according to the mood swings of the heterosexual majority, we're seeking nothing more than a permanent and equal place in our own world. Recognition of our right to marry is just a part of that.

[Roadrunner]

Well, then, you should change the "title" of your list. It's titled "Homosexuality is:" or something like that, indicating that I'm homosexuality, which makes NO sense. Like most of your posts.

Adam wrote:

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I don't equate you to homosexual sex. I find those persons who promote their doings belongs to my list of shame. Moron

[Roadrunner]

Oh, and the only thing I'm "promoting" here is equality, love for our fellow humans, and the same rights for people who are LGBT that heterosexuals have. Oh, and to point out your fear, ignorance and hatred. I don't promote any kind of sexual acts.

Adam wrote:

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I don't equate you to homosexual sex. I find those persons who promote their doings belongs to my list of shame. Moron

[davy]

I am right about the history and I am right about you being a lying sleazy Christian who wallows in bible based bigotry. Stop telling lies for Jesus.

KiMare wrote:

KiMare wrote:
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Sorry honey,
Nature, evolution and science all agree with my 'church'(Rather argue faith than reality, huh? I understand why...).
Here is the most recent study debunking also your assertion.
I did however find you in the Bible;
2 Timothy 3:6-7 (MSG)
These are the kind of people who smooth-talk themselves into the homes of unstable and needy women and take advantage of them; women who, depressed by their sinfulness, take up with every new religious fad that calls itself "truth."
7 They get exploited every time and never really learn.
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Gave up on the history thing, huh?
If you read the above, I am arguing AGAINST arguing faith instead of reality.
I refer to evolution and science as my 'church'.
Davey, might I suggest you find a debate site about religion if that is all you 'know'.

[Roadrunner]

First, I'm a she. Second, I don't spend my "entire time" on topix. Third, I'm not trying to get anyone to "condone" anything. I'm siply trying to open the eyes up of the ignorant and close minded, that being homosexual is not a crime, it is not illegal, there is no homosexual agenda, and to promote equal rights for a group of people (the LGBT group of people.) I don't promote those other things, because they are illegal, they are morally wrong, the effect the lives of others who do not necessarily give their ADULT consent, and they are harmful. Homosexuality is none of those things. Homosexuality in no way effects your life. Homosexuality is not a mental health "problem". Homosexuality does not breed genetic abnoralities (the way incest does.) AND, fourth, I am not myself homosexual. I have friends and family who are, and am defending their rights to be who they are, to be able to do so without fear of some ass like you trying to destroy their life, make them feel bad for who they are. The sooner fearful, ignorant, close minded idiots like YOU pull your head from your ass and realize all of this, the better this world will be. Bigotry is such an ugly condition of the human mind, and it's simply oozing out of you and every single one of your ignorant posts.

Sir Doctor 3 wrote:

<quoted text>I understand. It amazes me that an alleged straight person, would spend his entire time of Topix tryign to get you to condone homosexuality. I mean, why does he not promote pedophilia, incest, or necrophilia? Makes you wonder.

[Roadrunner]

But, you see, you don't PROVIDE any of the personal experiences that have been recorded or documented of others. The way you post, it seems like you pull a number out of the air (or out of your ass) and post it, hoping people will believe you, spreading more inaccuracies and lies. When you post a percentage the way you do, it's a good idea to post where you got that number from. Otherwise, we simply do not believe you, and treat you like the lying cretin you are. Making stuff up to try to discredit an entire group of people.

Sir Doctor 3 wrote:

<quoted text>Even if we buy your argument, I am not one of the over 50% of suicides that are homosexual. Also, statistical assertions and analysis can not possibly be based on personal experiences. They are basaed on recording and documenting the personal experiences of others.

[Ds Higgins1]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>According to whose definition of marriage would that be? Yes, yes, yes, we are all well aware that since even before recorded history,'marriage' as a concept has applied all but exclusively to opposite sex relationships of various make-ups. It's an argument which proves absolutely nothing. It certainly doesn't make for a rational argument as to why on earth we should consider your operational definition for 'marriage' the only acceptable one. Same sex 'marriages', both legally recognized and blessed by relevant Gods, have occurred off an on probably as long as there has been a concept of opposite sex 'marriage'. At no point have empires fallen, cities obliterated by fire and brimstone as a message from God, or the world ended as a direct result. The human race's self treatment when it comes to its own Lesbian and Gay offspring ebbs and flows throughout history. Acceptance and understanding comes and goes, usually replaced with just rejection and ignorance, but more frequently with outright hatred and downright stupid. Those of us who are Lesbian and Gay have finally gotten tired of having to live according to the mood swings of the heterosexual majority, we're seeking nothing more than a permanent and equal place in our own world. Recognition of our right to marry is just a part of that.

People who classify themselves as "homosexuals" already have a permanent and equal place in this world. The world does not belong to we who see ourselves as "heterosexuals", anymore than to those who are otherwise "oriented"...

As long a man has walked the earth, there have always been those who see themselves a "homosexuals", and thats not something I wish to contend with. So yes, your place is indeed permanent, and you do have EQUAL RIGHTS. But the truth is it's not about your place, or equality. Attempting to change the reality of marriage as its now defined is imposing a burden on those who have carried the human species. Its also demanding a special exception for those who have no ability to give back to humanity as heterosexuals have done.

Homosexuals can have intercourse with ANYONE they choose. But please DO NOT delude yourself into believing same-sex unions are on par with hetero couples. Merely by virtue of SCIENCE, the pressing reasons for a society to be vested in hetero-unions CANNOT be attained in homosexual unions.

[Roadrunner]

Do you even realize that marriage was around BEFORE Christianity was? That people get married ALL THE TIME and NEVER have a child? Marriage is not for procreation only. Marriage is for two consenting adults, who are not related (but even that was not an issue in some cultures in the past) who love one another, to join their two lives as one and share the rest of their lives together? This way, they can have the other help make medical decisions for them, share their health insurance benefits, receive other benefits that only married couples can share. What, really, truly, do you have against that? How does it effect your life AT ALL?

Sir Doctor 3 wrote:

<quoted text>Since, it was your post, then it can only be your family issues. That is what you posted, and that is why I asked about the lesbianism. Too late, you post about gay issues and that is what you contnue to do.
NO NORMAL STRAIGHT MALE EVER DEFENDS two men having anal butt feces sex, which is HIV problematic.
Like, the poster said, marriage is pretty much for procreation and that is true.
1 Corinthians 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication let every man have his own wife; and let every woman have her own husband.
God has left no room for homosexuality, so if I am wrong and got the wring info from your post,why are you trying to present homosexuality in a light that does not exist.
It seems that the issue here is your hate. Have you read your posts and seen your gaybot issues which are filled with ignorance and hate.

[Roadrunner]

Yes, I have. Not my fault you don't know how to read, or comprehend (or even spell. You have made at least ONE HUGE spelling error in almost every post you have made.) And, the highest rate of suicide by homosexuals are in the teen age group. That's also included in all the research I have presented. You have not presented ANYTHING to back up the numbers you have produced. Nothing.

Sir Doctor 3 wrote:

<quoted text>First, you have done no such thing and I have seen no post. There are some research that say that 38% of all suicides are homosexuals, but they are talkujng about teen suicides.

[Ds Higgins1]

Roadrunner wrote:

First, I'm a she. Second, I don't spend my "entire time" on topix. Third, I'm not trying to get anyone to "condone" anything. I'm siply trying to open the eyes up of the ignorant and close minded, that being homosexual is not a crime, it is not illegal, there is no homosexual agenda, and to promote equal rights for a group of people (the LGBT group of people.) I don't promote those other things, because they are illegal, they are morally wrong, the effect the lives of others who do not necessarily give their ADULT consent, and they are harmful. Homosexuality is none of those things. Homosexuality in no way effects your life. Homosexuality is not a mental health "problem". Homosexuality does not breed genetic abnoralities (the way incest does.) AND, fourth, I am not myself homosexual. I have friends and family who are, and am defending their rights to be who they are, to be able to do so without fear of some ass like you trying to destroy their life, make them feel bad for who they are. The sooner fearful, ignorant, close minded idiots like YOU pull your head from your ass and realize all of this, the better this world will be. Bigotry is such an ugly condition of the human mind, and it's simply oozing out of you and every single one of your ignorant posts.<quoted text>

LoadRunner, the ONLY thing yer interested in is to get the socalled "LGBT" people to accept you, and see you as "enlightened". But you'r a callous, heartless and selfish person, who don't give a rats' ass about how these people are afflicted by homosexuality, as long as they like you, and use the Topix-icons to validate you.

[Roadrunner]

Anti-bullying laws and hate crime legislation is needed. Not just for homosexuals. Are you really that dense? No need to answer that, it's rhetorical. We KNOW you're that dense.
And big surprise, you've spelled three words wrong in this post. Thank you for continuing to prove what an uneducated, ignorant bigot you truly are.
It won't matter what kind of proof I present. You will say it is a lie and made up for some kind of homosexual agenda. The only ones who have an agenda are people like you. You don't care that there are youth who are bullied on a daily basis to the point that they feel the only way out is to kill themselves. I have a skin condition called vitiligo. I has bullied because of that and my unusual height when I was young. I know what being bullied is like. You were (and still are) most likely the bully. Do you know why people bully? Because they are so utterly insecure about themselves, they have to pick on others to make themselves feel better. They need major mental health counseling. You are one of these people. And you're also so afraid of those who are different from you. Quite pathetic, really.

Sir Doctor 3 wrote:

<quoted text>so, how did I know that you had found a study that regarded teen or youth suicide and it is ironic that they ahve rounded down the actual number to 30%.
Let me help you, if the suicide numbers were wrong, then you would be making the claim that the gay activists have lied about it. They quoted these numbers to congress and the adminstration to claim that ant-bullying laws and hate crime legislations are needed.