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RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#3626 Jan 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>JUST IN......From Forbes News Service. Here are the "happiest" "prosperous" countries in the world.
1.) Norway----------72% Atheists
2.) Denmark---------80% Atheists
3.) Sweden----------85% Atheists
4.) Australia
5.) New Zealand------Considered an Atheist country
6.) Canada----------30% Atheists
7.) Finland----------60% Atheists
8.) The Netherlands---44% Atheists
9.) Switzerland-------Considered an Atheist country
10.) Iceland----------" " " "
These countries all share the same advantages in health--Prosperity-----feeling safe and secure in their homes-----Less teen pregnancy ----less STD------better educational systems---and all are free to choose whatever religion they care, they are apparently a lot more informed, better educated and their intelligence levels high enough for them to be highly skeptical of unsupported religious dogma.
lol

I hope you realize those numbers are false.

They represent a possible percentage if people that don't believe in god but don't necessarily consider themselves atheists....

Here is a list of the top fifty countries containing the highest percentage of people who identify themselves as atheist, agnostic, or non-believers in God.

These figures do not necessarily represent the number of people who are identify themselves as “atheists.” For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists.

http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/the-50-co...

Notice Norway on that list? It shows a range of 31-72%.

You're being intellectually dishonest now.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#3627 Jan 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
lol
I hope you realize those numbers are false.
They represent a possible percentage if people that don't believe in god but don't necessarily consider themselves atheists....
Here is a list of the top fifty countries containing the highest percentage of people who identify themselves as atheist, agnostic, or non-believers in God.
These figures do not necessarily represent the number of people who are identify themselves as “atheists.” For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists.
http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/the-50-co...
Notice Norway on that list? It shows a range of 31-72%.
You're being intellectually dishonest now.
" For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists."

Irrelevant. If one lacks belief in god they are not a theist and therefore by defaut they are atheist.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#3628 Jan 20, 2013
Pat wrote:
Irrelevant. If one lacks belief in god they are not a theist and therefore by defaut they are atheist.
Wrong again. Never heard of agnostic?
Pat

East Granby, CT

#3629 Jan 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again. Never heard of agnostic?
You truly are a dope. Agnosticism deals with knowledge not belief. If one lacks belief in god they are an atheist, period. They can also be an agnostic and feel that knowledge of god is unknown or unknowable - the definition of an agnostic. ALL agnostics are still either theists or atheists.

"Once it is understood that atheism is merely the absence of belief in any gods, it becomes evident that agnosticism is not, as many assume, a “third way” between atheism and theism. The presence of a belief in a god and the absence of a belief in a god exhaust all of the possibilities. Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not.

Thus, it is clear that agnosticism is compatible with both theism and atheism. A person can believe in a god (theism) without claiming to know for sure if that god exists; the result is agnostic theism. On the other hand, a person can disbelieve in gods (atheism) without claiming to know for sure that no gods can or do exist; the result is agnostic atheism."

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/...
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#3630 Jan 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
lol
I hope you realize those numbers are false.
They represent a possible percentage if people that don't believe in god but don't necessarily consider themselves atheists....
Here is a list of the top fifty countries containing the highest percentage of people who identify themselves as atheist, agnostic, or non-believers in God.
These figures do not necessarily represent the number of people who are identify themselves as “atheists.” For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists.
http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/the-50-co...
Notice Norway on that list? It shows a range of 31-72%.
You're being intellectually dishonest now.
I guess you're serious here, unbelievable!!! "The possible percentage?" What the hell does that mean, possible percentage. It's a poll, unless the people polled are lying, the number speak for themselves, there are NOT false. You seem to have penchant for dismissing evidence you don't agree with by finding fault with the methodology. You did the same with the biblical translations when you claimed there was no reference to slavery in the bible. You rejected the translation I was using, as if you and you alone knew better than the biblical scholars who did the translation. You're doing the same here.

You either believe in God or you don't. You may coin whatever phrase you care to, but a lack of belief in God is the Atheistic position.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#3631 Jan 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
lol
I hope you realize those numbers are false.
They represent a possible percentage if people that don't believe in god but don't necessarily consider themselves atheists....
Here is a list of the top fifty countries containing the highest percentage of people who identify themselves as atheist, agnostic, or non-believers in God.
These figures do not necessarily represent the number of people who are identify themselves as “atheists.” For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists.
http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/the-50-co...
Notice Norway on that list? It shows a range of 31-72%.
You're being intellectually dishonest now.
Notice how America, one of the most Christian Nation on the planet,is NOT listed in the top ten happiest, healthiest, most prosperous, countries in the world. Where is all the Christian teaching that allows U.S teens unwanted pregnancies at a rate of 70% more than Atheistic countries? Why can't Christian teachings and upbringing curb the higher rate of SDT over Atheistic countries? Where is the fine Christian upbringing that allows domestic violence to be on the rise among Christians?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#3632 Jan 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Notice how America, one of the most Christian Nation on the planet,is NOT listed in the top ten happiest, healthiest, most prosperous, countries in the world.
It was listed as #4.

But who's counting....
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#3633 Jan 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It was listed as #4.
But who's counting....
I think #4 actually says A U S T R A L I A. Yeah I know it kind of looks like America if you're not paying attention. I your defense there are some of the same letters...Two A's....an R.....and an I, so don't feel bad!!!!

What does happiness mean to you? At its core it consists of being healthy, having enough food to feed yourself and your family and enough to money to do what you want and buy what you want. For most people that entails a nice home, decent clothes, a car or two, cable TV, good times with family and friends.
Furthermore, happiness means being able to speak what's on your mind without fear, to worship the God of your choosing, and to feel safe and secure in your own home.
The World's Happiest Countries:

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. New Zealand
6. Canada
7. Finland
8. The Netherlands
9. Switzerland
10. Ireland
Happiness means having opportunity – to get an education, to be an entrepreneur. What's more satisfying than having a big idea and turning it into a thriving business, knowing all the way that the harder you work, the more reward you can expect?

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#3634 Jan 20, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
So if you claim there are aliens on Pluto while having no knowledge that this is true are you a liar?
If you calim you have won the lottery prior to checking your ticket are you a liar?
I say yes.
I doubt very much RR is a child so that does not excuse him. He KNOWS he lacks evidence. he knows his beliefs REQUIRE faith.
The last sentance is where we disagree, many theists do have childlike mentalities. Our particular little troll does seem to be extremely well brainwashed. Neither one of us can say for certain, but from what I've seen so far I do believe he has fooled himself well enough to believe he is a truth teller. He keeps alluding to certain past experience, "If you knew what I knew" sort of stuff.
JIMHO

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#3635 Jan 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You said:
"No he doesn't and there is no heaven or hell."
How do you know there is no heaven or hell?
Are you spouting your opinion or are you sharing fact?
If its fact, please supply your evidence.
If its opinion, admit it.
No, it's not an opinion. You can take my statements to other atheists and twist them any way you like.

Proof can be obtained that a corpse goes into the ground or is cremated, etc. Any coffin or urn of ashes can be opened up and every single particle of that person remains.

If invisible, undetectable sould are present in humans then they should be present in all mammals. It would be a natural condition of the species and that still doesn't explain why the soul would be 'directed' to one place or another. If a soul is not physical, then it cannot burn nor can it suffer in any way that we can imagine.

When a person dies, it can be proved that brain cells die and thought ends....those that suffer any type of brain damage do not retain memory or coherant thought.

If you wish to prove different, then the onus of proof falls squarely on your shoulders....you'd better get busy and shore up your shakey debate.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#3636 Jan 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you miss the point? Is it reasonable to believe that pixie dust exists and can do what it is said to do? Or are you at a loss and unable to deal with the question?
Reminds me of The Salem Witch Trials when 'spectral evidence' was allowed in a court of law. Preying on people's fears and superstitions can do terrible things.

Oh ye of waaaay too much faith;0)
Pat

East Granby, CT

#3639 Jan 21, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Notice how America, one of the most Christian Nation on the planet,is NOT listed in the top ten happiest, healthiest, most prosperous, countries in the world. Where is all the Christian teaching that allows U.S teens unwanted pregnancies at a rate of 70% more than Atheistic countries? Why can't Christian teachings and upbringing curb the higher rate of SDT over Atheistic countries? Where is the fine Christian upbringing that allows domestic violence to be on the rise among Christians?
It's called the benefit of diversity. The social ills you mention are way overrepresented amongst blacks and Hispanics. The countries with high levels of organic atheism tend to be white or Asian.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#3640 Jan 21, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I think #4 actually says A U S T R A L I A. Yeah I know it kind of looks like America if you're not paying attention. I your defense there are some of the same letters...Two A's....an R.....and an I, so don't feel bad!!!!
What does happiness mean to you? At its core it consists of being healthy, having enough food to feed yourself and your family and enough to money to do what you want and buy what you want. For most people that entails a nice home, decent clothes, a car or two, cable TV, good times with family and friends.
Furthermore, happiness means being able to speak what's on your mind without fear, to worship the God of your choosing, and to feel safe and secure in your own home.
The World's Happiest Countries:
1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. New Zealand
6. Canada
7. Finland
8. The Netherlands
9. Switzerland
10. Ireland
Happiness means having opportunity – to get an education, to be an entrepreneur. What's more satisfying than having a big idea and turning it into a thriving business, knowing all the way that the harder you work, the more reward you can expect?
You are so right. I work for myself and wouldn't have it any other way. No lay offs in my future!
Pat

East Granby, CT

#3641 Jan 21, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
The last sentance is where we disagree, many theists do have childlike mentalities. Our particular little troll does seem to be extremely well brainwashed. Neither one of us can say for certain, but from what I've seen so far I do believe he has fooled himself well enough to believe he is a truth teller. He keeps alluding to certain past experience, "If you knew what I knew" sort of stuff.
JIMHO
I hear you. I still think that deep down every theist knows they are living a lie no different than every drunk knows they are an alcoholic even though they too so often will not admit to it.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#3642 Jan 21, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's not an opinion. You can take my statements to other atheists and twist them any way you like.
Proof can be obtained that a corpse goes into the ground or is cremated, etc. Any coffin or urn of ashes can be opened up and every single particle of that person remains.
If invisible, undetectable sould are present in humans then they should be present in all mammals. It would be a natural condition of the species and that still doesn't explain why the soul would be 'directed' to one place or another. If a soul is not physical, then it cannot burn nor can it suffer in any way that we can imagine.
When a person dies, it can be proved that brain cells die and thought ends....those that suffer any type of brain damage do not retain memory or coherant thought.
If you wish to prove different, then the onus of proof falls squarely on your shoulders....you'd better get busy and shore up your shakey debate.
Excellent post. What people like RR fail to understand is that if a corpse can not be considered conclusive proof that death ends personal memory and awareness then NOTHING that we know of could ever be considered as proven. Everything would still be subject to debate and no evidence would ever serve as actual evidence. It's a delusional world of anything goes and it simply doens't work. There could not possibly be any more conclusive proof that death ends personal memory and awareness than a corpse.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#3643 Jan 21, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I think #4 actually says A U S T R A L I A. Yeah I know it kind of looks like America if you're not paying attention. I your defense there are some of the same letters...Two A's....an R.....and an I, so don't feel bad!!!!
What does happiness mean to you? At its core it consists of being healthy, having enough food to feed yourself and your family and enough to money to do what you want and buy what you want. For most people that entails a nice home, decent clothes, a car or two, cable TV, good times with family and friends.
Furthermore, happiness means being able to speak what's on your mind without fear, to worship the God of your choosing, and to feel safe and secure in your own home.
The World's Happiest Countries:
1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. New Zealand
6. Canada
7. Finland
8. The Netherlands
9. Switzerland
10. Ireland
Happiness means having opportunity – to get an education, to be an entrepreneur. What's more satisfying than having a big idea and turning it into a thriving business, knowing all the way that the harder you work, the more reward you can expect?
I guess it depends on who you are, what you like & what you consider "happy".

It also depends on what website you're looking at, obviously.

This shows US at #9
www.mapsofworld.com › World Top Ten

#6
able2know.org/topic/55762-1

#7
internationalliving.com › Further-Resources

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#3644 Jan 21, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's not an opinion. You can take my statements to other atheists and twist them any way you like.
Proof can be obtained that a corpse goes into the ground or is cremated, etc. Any coffin or urn of ashes can be opened up and every single particle of that person remains.
If invisible, undetectable sould are present in humans then they should be present in all mammals. It would be a natural condition of the species and that still doesn't explain why the soul would be 'directed' to one place or another. If a soul is not physical, then it cannot burn nor can it suffer in any way that we can imagine.
When a person dies, it can be proved that brain cells die and thought ends....those that suffer any type of brain damage do not retain memory or coherant thought.
If you wish to prove different, then the onus of proof falls squarely on your shoulders....you'd better get busy and shore up your shakey debate.
In what way do you think a dead corpse proves that there is no heaven or hell?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#3645 Jan 21, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
I hear you. I still think...
You don't think enough.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#3646 Jan 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't think enough.
Says the fool who thinks he knows what an agnostic is.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#3647 Jan 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
In what way do you think a dead corpse proves that there is no heaven or hell?
A dead corpse? LOL Is there such thing as a living corpse? That's what you believe in, right? You live after you die? Produce your living corpse or sit down, liar.

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