God is REAL - Miracles Happen!

[RiversideRedneck]

blacklagoon wrote:

I don't consider it "close minded" to not accept something so farfetched as an alternate dimension. Especially since no evidence of such a dimension exists. Since the dawn of our species people have claimed to have see all sorts of "spiritual phenomena" Ghosts, goblins, Angels, Demons, have claimed to have talked to long dead relatives, to have contacted dead loved ones, and never, EVER over the course of thousands of years has any of these claims been proven. James Randy is still sitting on a Million dollars waiting for anyone to prove the spirit realm. Why would anyone assume that such a spirit realm is real, that it would be governed by laws different fro the natural laws? I guess you're free to make up anything you like, just don't expect those of us who revere our skepticism to not laugh behind our backs.

You just exquisitely defined what it is to be closed-minded.

"There's no proof, so I don't believe it can be real."

Ask 100 people where they think heaven is located, and why they feel this way. Every depiction of heaven invokes the sky. A burst of sunlight brilliantly fanned out from fluffy pink clouds, with the image of Jesus decending from the clouds. The paintings on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel show God floating amongst the clouds. The upward glance while praying, pointing to the sky when scoring a winning touchdown. It is not I but religion that has placed your heaven in the sky. It's a mote point to me as I know no such place exists.

LMAO!

You "know no such place is real"?

How?

Please demonstrate your closed-mindedness some more.....

[blacklagoon]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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You just exquisitely defined what it is to be closed-minded.
"There's no proof, so I don't believe it can be real."
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LMAO!
You "know no such place is real"?
How?
Please demonstrate your closed-mindedness some more.....

"Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint is wet and they have to touch it to be sure."

[theminingenginee r]

I am not bound by any certain ideology, and I have an open mind. You do not have to believe in a christian God to believe in miracles. I have just returned from 6 weeks in the Amazon Jungle where I used Ayahuaca, a sacred plant medicine with real healing properties, and I can tell you it was miraculous to shed the veil of BS no matter if only for a few hours and just as a general observation those living a natural life in the Amazon away from the churches and close to nature seemed a lot better off in every way then their Catholic counterparts in the cities.

[blacklagoon]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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You just exquisitely defined what it is to be closed-minded.
"There's no proof, so I don't believe it can be real."
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LMAO!
You "know no such place is real"?
How?
Please demonstrate your closed-mindedness some more.....

do you really believe that having an open mind means to accept the most bizarre things? Does it make it reasonable to believe that having a substance sprinkled on you will make it possible for you to suddenly defy the laws of gravity and be able to float off into outer-space? With no life support whatsoever? And this substance was sprinkled on you by a very small female with wings, apparently a fairy. Is it reasonable to have an open mind about "pixie dust?" I guess the keyword here is REASONABLE. Is this scenario like to be true? Is there any good reason to believe this claim? If I claimed such an event was true, would you not ask me for proof? And would I be foolish enough to turn around and ask you to prove that pixie dust cannot do as I described?

[Pat]

Nothing sways the stupid more than an argument they can not understand. That's why the blanket excuse for all the obvious hypocrisy "god works in mysterious ways" is so eagerly accepted.

[RiversideRedneck]

blacklagoon wrote:

<quoted text>"Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint is wet and they have to touch it to be sure."

Or the atheist way...

"Tell people that we are the accidental cause of life coming miraculously from non-life. No, we can't prove it, but it sure sounds better than an invisible sky fairy."

[RiversideRedneck]

blacklagoon wrote:

<quoted text>do you really believe that having an open mind means to accept the most bizarre things? Does it make it reasonable to believe that having a substance sprinkled on you will make it possible for you to suddenly defy the laws of gravity and be able to float off into outer-space? With no life support whatsoever? And this substance was sprinkled on you by a very small female with wings, apparently a fairy. Is it reasonable to have an open mind about "pixie dust?" I guess the keyword here is REASONABLE. Is this scenario like to be true? Is there any good reason to believe this claim? If I claimed such an event was true, would you not ask me for proof? And would I be foolish enough to turn around and ask you to prove that pixie dust cannot do as I described?

Pixie dust?

Outer space?

WTH?

[RiversideRedneck]

Pat wrote:

Nothing sways the stupid more than an argument they can not understand. That's why the blanket excuse for all the obvious hypocrisy "god works in mysterious ways" is so eagerly accepted.

We could do it your way instead:

"The universe works in mysterious ways."

[waynemcclain]

why does god send people to hell for suicide..

it could be worse what if I was killing a whole bunch of others..

[blacklagoon]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Or the atheist way...
"Tell people that we are the accidental cause of life coming miraculously from non-life. No, we can't prove it, but it sure sounds better than an invisible sky fairy."

Just can't get away from that word Miraculous, can you.

Considering that we humans are made out of the same elements as stars, and those elements are the most common in the universe, then "accidental" seems a foolish way to put it. Carbon, which is what all life is based upon, is the 4th most comma element i the universe. You can make more molecules from carbon than all of the other elements combined. Life coming to be seems to me far from accidental or miraculous. Given the right ingredients, which are everywhere, life may be inevitable. An inevitable consequence of complex chemistry.

Is life a rare event? It would seem as though we are not very special at all. Considering the abundance of elements in the universe associated with life, Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Helium, and Hydrogen, and given the sheer numbers of galaxies containing untold trillions of suns and solar systems, life in all probability is abundant.

It's a extremely closed mind that would ignore these cosmological facts and maintain life can only be created by an unknown being, and only here upon this planet circling a second rate star in the backwaters of our galaxy.

[blacklagoon]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Pixie dust?
Outer space?
WTH?

Why do you miss the point? Is it reasonable to believe that pixie dust exists and can do what it is said to do? Or are you at a loss and unable to deal with the question?

[blacklagoon]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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We could do it your way instead:
"The universe works in mysterious ways."

The difference being, there is very little that is mysterious about the universe.

[RiversideRedneck]

blacklagoon wrote:

<quoted text>The difference being, there is very little that is mysterious about the universe.

HAHAHA!

There's that ole atheist arrogance again.

We can barely escape our planets gravity, but you think we've unlocked the mysteries of the universe.....

[blacklagoon]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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I see that.
en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_countries_by_Hum...
But I'll take the rolling hills, beautiful beaches & city skylines over Norway's frozen wasteland for a mere .03%

JUST IN......From Forbes News Service. Here are the "happiest" "prosperous" countries in the world.

1.) Norway----------72% Atheists
2.) Denmark---------80% Atheists
3.) Sweden----------85% Atheists
4.) Australia
5.) New Zealand------Considered an Atheist country
6.) Canada----------30% Atheists
7.) Finland----------60% Atheists
8.) The Netherlands---44% Atheists
9.) Switzerland-------Considered an Atheist country
10.) Iceland----------" " " "

These countries all share the same advantages in health--Prosperity-----feeling safe and secure in their homes-----Less teen pregnancy ----less STD------better educational systems---and all are free to choose whatever religion they care, they are apparently a lot more informed, better educated and their intelligence levels high enough for them to be highly skeptical of unsupported religious dogma.

[RiversideRedneck]

blacklagoon wrote:

<quoted text>JUST IN......From Forbes News Service. Here are the "happiest" "prosperous" countries in the world.
1.) Norway----------72% Atheists
2.) Denmark---------80% Atheists
3.) Sweden----------85% Atheists
4.) Australia
5.) New Zealand------Considered an Atheist country
6.) Canada----------30% Atheists
7.) Finland----------60% Atheists
8.) The Netherlands---44% Atheists
9.) Switzerland-------Considered an Atheist country
10.) Iceland----------" " " "
These countries all share the same advantages in health--Prosperity-----feeling safe and secure in their homes-----Less teen pregnancy ----less STD------better educational systems---and all are free to choose whatever religion they care, they are apparently a lot more informed, better educated and their intelligence levels high enough for them to be highly skeptical of unsupported religious dogma.

lol

I hope you realize those numbers are false.

They represent a possible percentage if people that don't believe in god but don't necessarily consider themselves atheists....

Here is a list of the top fifty countries containing the highest percentage of people who identify themselves as atheist, agnostic, or non-believers in God.

These figures do not necessarily represent the number of people who are identify themselves as “atheists.” For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists.

http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/the-50-co...

Notice Norway on that list? It shows a range of 31-72%.

You're being intellectually dishonest now.

[Pat]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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lol
I hope you realize those numbers are false.
They represent a possible percentage if people that don't believe in god but don't necessarily consider themselves atheists....
Here is a list of the top fifty countries containing the highest percentage of people who identify themselves as atheist, agnostic, or non-believers in God.
These figures do not necessarily represent the number of people who are identify themselves as “atheists.” For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists.
http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/the-50-co...
Notice Norway on that list? It shows a range of 31-72%.
You're being intellectually dishonest now.

" For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists."

Irrelevant. If one lacks belief in god they are not a theist and therefore by defaut they are atheist.

[RiversideRedneck]

Pat wrote:

Irrelevant. If one lacks belief in god they are not a theist and therefore by defaut they are atheist.

Wrong again. Never heard of agnostic?

[Pat]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Wrong again. Never heard of agnostic?

You truly are a dope. Agnosticism deals with knowledge not belief. If one lacks belief in god they are an atheist, period. They can also be an agnostic and feel that knowledge of god is unknown or unknowable - the definition of an agnostic. ALL agnostics are still either theists or atheists.

"Once it is understood that atheism is merely the absence of belief in any gods, it becomes evident that agnosticism is not, as many assume, a “third way” between atheism and theism. The presence of a belief in a god and the absence of a belief in a god exhaust all of the possibilities. Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not.

Thus, it is clear that agnosticism is compatible with both theism and atheism. A person can believe in a god (theism) without claiming to know for sure if that god exists; the result is agnostic theism. On the other hand, a person can disbelieve in gods (atheism) without claiming to know for sure that no gods can or do exist; the result is agnostic atheism."

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/...

[blacklagoon]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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lol
I hope you realize those numbers are false.
They represent a possible percentage if people that don't believe in god but don't necessarily consider themselves atheists....
Here is a list of the top fifty countries containing the highest percentage of people who identify themselves as atheist, agnostic, or non-believers in God.
These figures do not necessarily represent the number of people who are identify themselves as “atheists.” For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists.
http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/the-50-co...
Notice Norway on that list? It shows a range of 31-72%.
You're being intellectually dishonest now.

I guess you're serious here, unbelievable!!! "The possible percentage?" What the hell does that mean, possible percentage. It's a poll, unless the people polled are lying, the number speak for themselves, there are NOT false. You seem to have penchant for dismissing evidence you don't agree with by finding fault with the methodology. You did the same with the biblical translations when you claimed there was no reference to slavery in the bible. You rejected the translation I was using, as if you and you alone knew better than the biblical scholars who did the translation. You're doing the same here.

You either believe in God or you don't. You may coin whatever phrase you care to, but a lack of belief in God is the Atheistic position.

[blacklagoon]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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lol
I hope you realize those numbers are false.
They represent a possible percentage if people that don't believe in god but don't necessarily consider themselves atheists....
Here is a list of the top fifty countries containing the highest percentage of people who identify themselves as atheist, agnostic, or non-believers in God.
These figures do not necessarily represent the number of people who are identify themselves as “atheists.” For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists.
http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/the-50-co...
Notice Norway on that list? It shows a range of 31-72%.
You're being intellectually dishonest now.

Notice how America, one of the most Christian Nation on the planet,is NOT listed in the top ten happiest, healthiest, most prosperous, countries in the world. Where is all the Christian teaching that allows U.S teens unwanted pregnancies at a rate of 70% more than Atheistic countries? Why can't Christian teachings and upbringing curb the higher rate of SDT over Atheistic countries? Where is the fine Christian upbringing that allows domestic violence to be on the rise among Christians?