Israel's end is near, Ahmadinejad says

Israel's end is near, Ahmadinejad says

There are 38128 comments on the Worcester Telegram & Gazette story from Jun 4, 2007, titled Israel's end is near, Ahmadinejad says. In it, Worcester Telegram & Gazette reports that:

TEHRAN, Iran- Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad yesterday said the world would witness the destruction of Israel soon, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

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MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#39258 Jun 4, 2013
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Hidden Microphone Revealed at Guantanamo Meeting Room

By BEN FOX (Contd.)


A courtroom technology manager, Maurice Elkins, testified Tuesday that the microphones used by attorneys inside the courtroom have been changed so they will no longer be live unless they are manually activated to address the concerns of the defense.

The concerns about violations of attorney-client privilege, a core principle of military and civilian law, has sidetracked the pretrial motions called to resolve procedural and legal issues that must be addressed before a trial.

The slow process has been hard on the family members of people killed in the Sept. 11 attacks who are chosen by lottery to attend court sessions. Eve Bucca of New York, who lost her husband, Ronald, and was at Guantanamo this week, said she would prefer the case had already reached the evidence stage but understands the need to address preliminary issues.

"The last thing you want to see is for something to come up later that could have been addressed now," said Bucca, whose 46-year-old fire marshal husband was in the World Trade Center when it collapsed. "So, yes, it's somewhat frustrating but it's understandable ... I don't want anyone let off on a technicality."

Mohammed and his four co-defendants are being prosecuted by a military commission, a special tribunal for wartime offenses, on charges that include terrorism and nearly 3,000 counts of murder for their alleged roles in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. They could get the death penalty if convicted at a trial that is likely at least a year away.

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MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#39259 Jun 4, 2013
w wman uk wrote:
<quoted text> You do not and cannot aswer my post because you have no moral courage to challange that book. If l substituted the word muslim for non believer you would cry persicution.
l do not hate muslims its just that l dispise the koran because those hadiths of hatred apply to people who dont believe in islam .
You have taught us a great deal about the islamic mindset your affection for hitler, the remarks on the plight of the copts reveiling,your hatred for jews world wide and your continual apollogies for bad behaviour of muslims ie cartoon rioters ,remarks about the white race and women stain you as a profound biggot.
Should we look to iran for guidance of Muslim Scholars?
It would apear that the arseholla kohomni has so particularly perverted veiws on how to pleasure himself with young girls.
Should we seek the advice of the egyptian cleric who gave instructions on how to beat a wife?
Keep posting the more you do the more the light is shone on islam .
What is this condition that I must challenge the book?

If there is anything in the book which is immoral, which is against reason, which is against logic and which is harmful to the development of human civilization, then it is another thing.

If it says plainly that if you believe in this book and act according to it, you would receive favor of your Lord and His mercy and Paradise in the hereafter, why should I challenge the book?

And if it says that if you reject this book and do not act on it, then you will face the wrath of your Lord and hell fire in the hereafter, why should I challenge the book?

What is wrong in it?

And if it says fight with those who fight with you, what is wrong in it?

It never says any thing immoral and breaching trust and treaties and cheat non believers even when they fight with you or act unjustly with you, why should I challenge the book?

The problem is with you, who will not believe in a reasonable and logical thing only "because it is mentioned in the book"

So the problem is with you and not in the book and not in Islam.
w wman uk

UK

#39260 Jun 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
What is this condition that I must challenge the book?
If there is anything in the book which is immoral, which is against reason, which is against logic and which is harmful to the development of human civilization, then it is another thing.
If it says plainly that if you believe in this book and act according to it, you would receive favor of your Lord and His mercy and Paradise in the hereafter, why should I challenge the book?
And if it says that if you reject this book and do not act on it, then you will face the wrath of your Lord and hell fire in the hereafter, why should I challenge the book?
What is wrong in it?
And if it says fight with those who fight with you, what is wrong in it?
It never says any thing immoral and breaching trust and treaties and cheat non believers even when they fight with you or act unjustly with you, why should I challenge the book?
The problem is with you, who will not believe in a reasonable and logical thing only "because it is mentioned in the book"
So the problem is with you and not in the book and not in Islam.
You dont need any condition to reject your book the hatred is not directed at you it is directed at the non believers.

Dont tell me your fairy stories about what l will face because l dont believe in the big murhmna.

So beating a wife is moral, the dimi is moral , aranged maraiges are moral,honor killings are moral, vengance and punishment to non believers is moral,do not take the non believerrs as friends moral,
various perverted practices with young boy moral,
ISLAM: SEX with YOUNG BOYS in PARADISE
Young boys are apparently not off-limits in Islam, either. When it comes to the rewards in heaven Muslim men will receive, some of the rewards are young boys for them to enjoy in sexual ways:
"And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls." (Quran 52:24)***
"They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders." (Quran 76:19)***
There cannot be 72 virgin girls in paradise since Muslim women, according to the Quran, will go to HELL.
72 VIRGIN BOYS awaiting Muslim men in paradise!
If this is your perverted paradice stick it .

Are these not taken from the koran??????????
w wman uk

UK

#39261 Jun 4, 2013
Peace for all wrote:
w wman got hate in each the season
So don't expect the sense or reason
Born in hate, in hate to live
w wman thing, none will forgive
Hate is in w wman's talk all time
Thinks that hate is not a crime
Whatever writes aint worth a dime
Peace for all talks all time prime
Peace for all now does detect
That w wman's uk is thing reject
Peace is thing will stay intact
w wman's hate sins, can't correct
We love each human, his beliefs
w wman uk is sans reliefs
Can't help that w wman looser
w wman uk is that hate chooser
So the waste of skin posts again
From giving an honest answer he does refrain.
he just demonstate he has no brain.

Since: Nov 12

Cobbitty, Australia

#39262 Jun 4, 2013
Peace for all wrote:
w wman got hate in each the season
So don't expect the sense or reason
Born in hate, in hate to live
w wman thing, none will forgive
Hate is in w wman's talk all time
Thinks that hate is not a crime
Whatever writes aint worth a dime
Peace for all talks all time prime
Peace for all now does detect
That w wman's uk is thing reject
Peace is thing will stay intact
w wman's hate sins, can't correct
We love each human, his beliefs
w wman uk is sans reliefs
Can't help that w wman looser
w wman uk is that hate chooser

A wonder stands high in the battle to expose the woe of the woman wounded by her deprecation of human kind.
As kind as it is with us who stand on the barricades and oppose her tyranny.
A bumper car goes past loaded with explosives sent into foreign lands by Obama .
And who is the driver ! It's W Oh ! w wo woman is at the wheel.
and her fuse is lit she is posing as if there is no tomorrow .
Peace will prevail in spite of her ,
Being persistent to create the 3rd. World War.
Keep your head down peace man.

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39263 Jun 5, 2013
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What Does a Police State Look Like?

Violence, arrests of Occupy protesters and stop-and-frisk. Plus: A worshipful media

By David Sirota

February 14, 2013 "Salon" -- What does a police state really look like in practice in America? Is it the cartoonish dystopia of sci-fi books? Is it like 1998&#8242;s “The Siege,” which predicted a wholesale instatement of martial law? Or in the age of the drone-wielding police department, is it something more mundane and subtle yet nonetheless pernicious? From this city in the middle of Middle America, it looks like the latter.

When people think of Denver, many think of skiing and, since the last election, marijuana. But from here in the Mile High City, things seem a bit different. In the day to day operation of the city, we aren’t as much defined by snow and pot as we are by the fact that we live under the rule of an increasingly brutal police force. It is a police force that our political leaders are more than happy to deploy to punish undesirables, and worse, that the most powerful media organ is more than happy to defend.

We have become, in short, a national cautionary tale — one that no doubt epitomizes similar trends throughout the country.

This sad situation has been long in the making. Over the last decade, while then-Mayor John Hickenlooper was gaining national plaudits for his geek-scientist charm, he was overseeing a police department that has become so violent toward citizens, that the U.S. Department of Justice is now considering a formal civil rights investigation. In all, a Cato Institute study shows that in terms of official misconduct, Denver’s police force is the sixth worst in the entire country.

The highest-profile incidents tell the bigger story.

For instance, after the 2008 Democratic convention, Hickenlooper’s administration was forced to settle a lawsuit showing evidence that he ordered his police force to engage in “indiscriminate arrests.”

In 2011, new Mayor Michael Hancock joined with now-Gov. Hickenlooper to become the first government officials to sic riot-gear-clad police on peaceful Occupy Denver protesters, thus turning the state Capitol grounds into the visual definition of the term “police state.” The episode included firing tear gas and rubber bullets at unarmed citizens.


As a follow-up, rather than initiating a formal investigation into the police, the Denver City Council then passed an ordinance empowering police to arrest homeless people, effectively criminalizing poverty in the middle of a recession and foreclosure crisis. Meanwhile, as the police department continues to reinstate officers who have been caught brutally beating citizens, the department’s independent oversight office is so flooded with brutality charges that it cannot even process them all.

Considering this, you might think that the state’s largest newspaper, the Denver Post, would be sounding the alarm. But quite the opposite has happened: It has used its monopoly power to cheer on the police state.

That’s not entirely surprising, of course. The paper is owned by archconservative Dean Singleton who, as I showed in a recent Harper’s magazine report, is a 21st century caricature of Citizen Kane. In recent years, his editorial page has been so over the top in its vilification of his political enemies that an outsider couldn’t be faulted for assuming the paper is an Onion-esque satire.
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UK

#39264 Jun 5, 2013
NO ASWER YET AGIAN FROM THE COWARD MUG

There are very good reasons for not believing islam.

MUG CANNOT DENY THE KORAN IS FULL OFF HATE.

THE KORAN CONTAINS MUCH HATRED AND FALSEHOOD. WHICH AGAIN YOU HAVE FAILED TO ANSWER WHY IT CONTAINS SUCH MALACE FOR THE NON BELIEVER.
Find below part of the hate the non believer manual the koran alledgedly handed down from heaven to moohamed a very dubious man with all sorts of crimiminal and deviant traits.

In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.--2:17-18 - According to this verse, non-believers are diseased and should suffer a painful doom.

Ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated!--2:65 - Allah turned unbelievers into apes.

The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.--2:89 - Allah curses non-believers.

Slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out ... If they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.--2:191 - Allah says to kill non-believers. While this could be interpreted as self-defense it's likely that this verse and others have been used to justify the attacks against non-believers in various countries.

Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah--2:193 - This could mean killing ALL the non-believers as they'll oppose Islam. They couldn't if they were all dead.

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve--3:151 - Allah calls for using fear tactics against the non-believers, this could be interpreted as terrorism like we see so much of in the world today.

The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.--4:101 - Non-believers are the enemy, self-explanatory.

Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?--4:144 - Allah says that believers can only befriend other believers.

The Children of Israel ... We have cursed them and made hard their hearts--5:12-13 - This seems to be Anti-Semitism as "Children of Israel" often refers to the Jews.

Christians ... We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection.--5:14 - Hatred against Christians.

The Jews ... We have cast among them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection.--5:64 - More hatred against Jews.

I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.--8:12 - Cut the fingers and behead the non-believers.

When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. Whoso on that day turneth his back to them ... hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell.--8:15-16 - Don't surrender to non-believers in battle.

Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.--9:5 - Kill the non-belivers.

Those who disbelieve ... will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.--98:6 - Believers are superior to non-believers.

All these and other verses can be used to demonstrate the extreme intolerance and lust for violence of Allah.
w wman uk

UK

#39265 Jun 6, 2013
The trouble is that because of the cowardice of the muslim council of Great Britain and the teachings of the hadith in the koran these people are emerging.

It is the same cowardice that mug shows.

The gang of six Birmingham fanatics plotted to attack the demonstration with homemade bombs, guns and knives and possibly wanted to assassinate EDL leader Tommy Robinson.
Also our government has showen great tollerance towards islam

The al-Qaeda inspired men have all pleaded guilty to plot, which was only narrowly averted by their own incompetence and sheer luck.

It also emerged one of the men had been under watch by MI5.

Opening the case at the start of a sentencing hearing at the Old Bailey today, Bobbie Cheema QC, prosecuting, said had their plan succeeded it would have caused lasting damage to racial tensions.

She told the court the group wanted to “execute a terrible vengeance” on the EDL for what they perceived as blasphemy against the Prophet Mohammed.

Same old islamofaciests

Since: Nov 12

Australia

#39266 Jun 6, 2013
Good boy peace man keep out of the way , I would answer but my Korean is different to hers .
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#39267 Jun 6, 2013
w wman uk wrote:
I have asked gay this as well the both the same question no answer are you two to busy thighing.
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements:

"A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."
These are the people you defend the worlds got to be a better place if they got all wacked?
Why is there so much hatred punishment and vengence in the Koran?

Its amazing that most muslims grow up as deicent caring people l have met many and to conclude it is inspite of their religion not because of it.
Hello,

That is a lie. The Ayatullah never said that. That lie is spread by the lying presbyters and evangelists of the wicked Church.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#39268 Jun 6, 2013
w wman uk wrote:
<quoted text> You dont need any condition to reject your book the hatred is not directed at you it is directed at the non believers.
Dont tell me your fairy stories about what l will face because l dont believe in the big murhmna.
So beating a wife is moral, the dimi is moral , aranged maraiges are moral,honor killings are moral, vengance and punishment to non believers is moral,do not take the non believerrs as friends moral,
various perverted practices with young boy moral,
ISLAM: SEX with YOUNG BOYS in PARADISE
Young boys are apparently not off-limits in Islam, either. When it comes to the rewards in heaven Muslim men will receive, some of the rewards are young boys for them to enjoy in sexual ways:
"And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls." (Quran 52:24)***
"They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders." (Quran 76:19)***
There cannot be 72 virgin girls in paradise since Muslim women, according to the Quran, will go to HELL.
72 VIRGIN BOYS awaiting Muslim men in paradise!
If this is your perverted paradice stick it .
Are these not taken from the koran??????????
Where does Qur'aan say that women will go to HELL? Please do not lie through your teeth.

You can also have 72 virgin boys but tell me where did you get the 72 virgin boys and girls quote from?

Young boys are shown in the portraits of the Christian God and Jesus under their feet. Are they being enjoyed by both?

76:19 means that teh young ones would be like waiters, serving food and drinks to others.

Why do you have sex always on your mind?

It is not in Qur'aan and neither it is in any Hadith collections. By the way, Hadith is something like the New Testament.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#39269 Jun 6, 2013
w wman uk wrote:
<quoted text> The problem is its not just here and there its a fair proportion of the texts. You dont need a pin to point it out its page after page of vile insitment.
Its hadith afer hadith are you saying you dont believe that hocus pokus that is the murhamedan cult ?
THE KORAN CONTAINS MUCH HATRED AND FALSEHOOD. WHICH AGAIN YOU HAVE FAILED TO ANSWER WHY IT CONTAINS SUCH MALACE FOR THE NON BELIEVER.
Find below part of the hate the non believer manual the koran alledgedly handed down from heaven to moohamed a very dubious man with all sorts of crimiminal and deviant traits.
ARE THESE NOT THE WORDS CONTAINED IN THE KORAN??????????

NEVER ONCE HAVE l ADVOCATED POURING BOILING WATER DOWN THE THROAT OF A NON BELIEVER WHICH AGAIN MENTIONED IN THE KORAN.

“And say:“The truth is from your Lord.” Then whosoever wills, let him believe, and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve. Verily, We have prepared for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.), a Fire whose walls will be surrounding them (disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah). And if they ask for help (relief, water, etc.) they will be granted water like boiling oil, that will scald their faces. Terrible the drink, and an evil Murtafaqa (dwelling, resting place, etc.)!”– Qur’an 18:29

In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.--2:17-18 - According to this verse, non-believers are diseased and should suffer a painful doom.

Ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated!--2:65 - Allah turned unbelievers into apes.

The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.--2:89 - Allah curses non-believers.

Slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out ... If they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.--2:191 - Allah says to kill non-believers. While this could be interpreted as self-defense it's likely that this verse and others have been used to justify the attacks against non-believers in various countries.
As the copts are finding out daily.
Ignorant pompous fool!

The Jews were not turned into apes and swine.

The way you write here is the best example that I can give you.

I can say that you are behaving like an ape or a swine, so please keep on behaving like them but I did not turn you into an ape or a pig.

It is a figurative language. This guy Jesus also called the Jews the brood of vipers and snakes. However, he was not addressing a gathering of vipers and snakes.

The Copts and the African Christians are different from the Western Christians, who have civilized only in the modern times. They are still crude.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#39270 Jun 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
As some one said, that it is hatred inside your heart that does not allow you to see "reason and logic and message of peace in Quran and sayings of prophet".
It is like a magnet, if you put a magnet over a combination of all metals, it would only attract iron particles and items from the whole lot, and gather is together.
And you can say, see this what I got from this whole lot!!
So first remove this hate and bias from your heart and if you want to quote from Quran and / or Hadith , check the context and listen to the commentaries from Muslim Scholars.
That is the proper way to understand Quran and Hadith.
Not the way in which you pick and choose "authentic" Hadith and try to impress people on this thread.

I do not answer your posts, because it is futile to discuss with you, you are not on this thread to learn any anything about Quran, prophet or Islam.

Just to spew hate and hatred, and once a hate monger always a hate monger.
Hello, MUQ

Yes, do not waste time.

Was just passing by. Did not know that you were encountering hate and dirt bags here.

Good night.

Salaams
BMZ
w wman uk

UK

#39272 Jun 6, 2013
Bukhari (60:311)- "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses.(It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).
Muslim (8:3424)- One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.
Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.
Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.
Tabari IX:139 - "You are a self-respecting girl, but the prophet is a womanizer." Words spoken by the disappointed parents of a girl who had 'offered' herself to Muhammad (he accepted).
w wman uk

UK

#39273 Jun 6, 2013
Additional Notes:
Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims who are aware of them. This is particularly so for their prophet's consummation of his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine years of age. The thought of a 53-year-old man sleeping and bathing with a young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy man. Critics even allege that Muhammad was a pedophile.
Some Muslims respond by denying the hadith itself, which is a mistake. The accounts of Muhammad sleeping with a 9-year-old are no less reliable than those on which the five pillars of Islam are based. They have been an accepted part of tradition and did not become controversial until social mores began to change with the modern age.
The charge of pedophilia may or may not be true, depending on how it is defined. Technically, Muhammad did have a sexual relationship with a child, but Aisha was also the youngest of his twelve wives. Zaynab was in her 30's when she attracted the unquenchable lust of the prophet. We don't know the age of Muhammad's sex slaves. They may or may not have been as young as Aisha, but there is no point in speculating.
Prior to the medical advances of the last century, marriage occurred at a much younger age across all societies. When life expectancy was in the mid 20's (or lower), it made no sense to wait until 19 to start having children; otherwise, one ran the risk of not being around to raise them. In short, childhood as we know it was abbreviated by the reality of the times.
Another strong piece of evidence against Muhammad being a pedophile is that, according to the same Hadith, he waited from the time Aisha was six (when the marriage ceremony took place) until she turned nine to consummate the relationship. Although the text doesn't say why, in all probability it was because he was waiting for her to begin menstrual cycles - thus entering into "womanhood." It is unlikely that a pedophile would be concerned about this.
On the other hand, Muhammad passed down revelations from Allah that clearly condoned sleeping with underage girls, even by the standard of puberty. Qur'an (65:4) relates rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period of three months is established to determine that the woman is not pregnant. But the same rule applies to "those too who have not had their courses," meaning girls who have not begun to menstruate.(In our opinion, this would have been a great time for Allah to have said something else instead like, "a real man is one who marries an actual, grown woman"... but that's just us).
Thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with children became deeply ingrained in the Islamic tradition. For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world.
When it comes to child marriage, contemporary clerics warn fellow
w wman uk

UK

#39274 Jun 6, 2013
Muslims against succumbing to the disapproval of the Christian West: "It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. For laws are Allah’s province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage.”
The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even gave his consent to using infants for sexual pleasure (although warning against full penetration until the baby is a few years older). In April, 2010, a 13-year-old Yemeni girl died from injuries suffered to her womb during "intercourse".
Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as "thighing" (also known as child molestation in the West). According to a recent fatwa (number 23672), an imam answers this question: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?" by telling the 'man' that he may "hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs."
A prominent member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious council said in 2012 that girls can be married "even if they are in the cradle," then went on to explain that intercourse may occur whenever "they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the man."
Muhammad's penchant for girls so much younger than him was such that at least two of his father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Omar, the first two Caliphs) were actually younger than him as well. This disappointing pattern is very much at odds with the sort of sexual discipline that one might expect of a true "prophet of God."
w wman uk

UK

#39275 Jun 6, 2013
Muhammad's pursuit of Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son is almost as tough for Muslims to explain. This is because it not only raises a similar question of moral character, but also casts suspicion on whether his so-called prophecies were really divine revelation or dictates of personal convenience. According to one biographer, even Aisha appears to be somewhat doubtful of Muhammad's claim that Allah commanded him to marry Zaynab, wryly remarking, "Truly Allah seems to be very quick in fulfilling your prayers."
So controversial was Muhammad's desire to marry his adopted son's wife that he had to justify it with a stern pronouncement from Allah on the very institution of adoption, which has had tragic consequences to this day. Verses 33:4-5 are widely interpreted to imply that Islam is against adoption, meaning that an untold number of children in the Islamic world have been needlessly orphaned - all because Muhammad's lustful desires for a married woman went beyond even what the other six wives that he possessed at the time and a multitude of slaves could satisfy.
Some Muslims deny that Muhammad was married to more than four women at a time, merely on the basis that the Qur'an only gives permission for marrying four. Unfortunately, Muslims historians disagree. Only one of Muhammad's last eleven wives died before him (Zaynab bint Khuzayma). The rest outlived him by many years.
Muhammad forbade his ten widows from remarrying, even making sure that this "divine" order was forever preserved in the eternal word of Allah - Qur'an (33:53). To add insult to injury, they were all summarily disinherited from Muhammad's estate by his successor (courtesy of another divine order "given" to Abu Bakr from Allah).
In summary, Islam's holiest texts portray Muhammad not as a perfect man, but as a sexual hedonist. Not only did he become fat from indulging in food, but his pursuit of sex was no less gluttonous. On top of it all, he used personal "revelations" from Allah to justify his debauchery to the gullible masses which, to this day, continue to be venerated and memorized as if they are the holiest of utterances.
To an outsider reading the koran it reads as a manual for perverion and violence do these hadith come from the koran or am l mistaken??????????
w wman uk

UK

#39276 Jun 6, 2013
It must be distressing for bmz to see that people are reading the koran and seeing it for what it is.
The sex is all in the koran boys without beards thighing etc when its gets mentioned the standard islamic responce is to sqwark hatred.
w wman uk

UK

#39277 Jun 6, 2013
Its probably best not to read any more of the koran. The mor l read the more debouched and perverse it apears.
Islamic Scriptures inform us that most Muslim women will go to hell.

The Quran:

Sura (37:22-23)“Those who "did wrong" will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved).”

From Hadith:

Bukhari (2:28)- Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men.(A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say,'I have never received any good from you."

"Among the inmates of Heaven women will be the minority" (Sahih Muslim 36: 6600)

"I (Mohammed) have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women...[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence" (Sahih Bukhari: 2:18:161; 7:62:125,).

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abbas:

...The Prophet replied, "I saw Paradise and stretched my hands towards a bunch (of its fruits) and had I taken it, you would have eaten from it as long as the world remains. I also saw the Hell-fire and I had never seen such a horrible sight. I saw that most of the inhabitants were women." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Why is it so?" The Prophet replied, "Because of their ungratefulness." It was asked whether they are ungrateful to Allah. The Prophet said, "They are ungrateful to their companions of life (husbands) and ungrateful to good deeds. If you are benevolent to one of them throughout the life and if she sees anything (undesirable) in you, she will say,'I have never had any good from you.'
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#39279 Jun 6, 2013
w wman uk wrote:
Its probably best not to read any more of the koran. The mor l read the more debouched and perverse it apears.

Islamic Scriptures inform us that most Muslim women will go to hell.

The Quran:

Sura (37:22-23)“Those who "did wrong" will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved).”
Lying through your false teeth again? Where did you get ('no matter how they behaved) from?

The verse simply means: "Gather the unjust and their types, and what they used to worship and send them straight to hell."

Some translators have gone literal but that is not correct.

Anyway, If their wives were also unjust, did wrong against God, they would surely go to hell.

Now, read this:

Surah 66:10 For those who are bent on denying the truth God has propounded a parable in [the stories of] Noah's wife and Lot's wife: they were wedded to two of Our righteous servants, and each one betrayed her husband; and neither of the two [husbands] will be of any avail to these two women when they are told [on Judgment Day], "Enter the fire with all those [other sinners] who enter it!"

and this from 66:11 And for those who have attained to faith God has propounded a parable in [the story of] Pharaoh's wife as she prayed "O my Sustainer! Build Thou for me a mansion in the paradise [that is] with Thee, and save me from Pharaoh and his doings, and save me, from all evildoing folk!

So, the wives of Noah and Lot will go to hell, while the woman of Pharaoh's household, who raised Moses, will go to heaven because she believed in God.

Why are you so scared of hell? You can go to the Lake of molten Sulphur, which is for eternal damnation, Drama Queen.

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