Israel's end is near, Ahmadinejad says

TEHRAN, Iran- Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad yesterday said the world would witness the destruction of Israel soon, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported. Full Story
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#37475 Dec 17, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
What prevents liberals and neutral to Quote from the scriptures and counter the views of the Extremists?
The real problem is the Media which paints "extremists" as the true face of any religion and side track the overwhelming attitude of majority population.
Exactly.

So why vilify the entirety of Christians, Jews and other non Muslims when you yourself get very upset when others do? Isn't that a double standard?
One for all all for one

Bethlehem, PA

#37477 Dec 18, 2012
May the God of everything that there is on this earth and the universe, have mercy upon us all. May our heavy hearts be filled with love and goodness. Peace begins in each and every one of us. We are all brothers and sisters. We are one - made by the one who created us all. He created a beautiful planet for all of his creation to enjoy. Peace and good will to everyone everywhere and for evermore.

“life is a gift. make it easy”

Since: Oct 10

surakarta

#37478 Dec 18, 2012
then....when i found this thread, i got a point that the israel will never be able to be a state however and whenever... just check it out.,,, occupation of a land cant be agreed as a thruth.. who will be the judge for this country which always kills and murdering human for the sake of its group.... just imagine,,, if you are a palestinian and your home, your school, parent, brother have killed by zionist army, will you keep silent?...the western country through its media has reported fake news of it as is the palestinian is the terorist...
for me... the truth is they respont what the jews did... that the fact,,,, the real terorist is israel and USA.

no body knows about the future... hopefully israel will be end,,,,
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#37479 Dec 18, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I NEVER spread hate against ALL Jews and ALL Christians and ALL Members of any religion.
And I do not use foul language against ANY prophet of God and religious persons of ANY religion.
But I am sad to say that people of other faiths do not follow my example.
I constantly receive hate message against ALL Muslims, I receive abuses and insults hurled against the personality of our prophet against our Quran and every thing connected with Islam and Muslims.
And what is strange you stand here lecturing ME and not these people who do these things?
Where is your sense of justice and fair play?
I have every right in the world to criticize those Jews and Christians who persecute and kill our innocent brothers in Palestine and elsewhere in the world. But my criticism is only for those Jews and Christians and not for every Jew and every Christian.
If you people followed my example, the world would be a much better and peaceful place than it is today.
You think that only you people have feelings and emotions and no one else.
I am referencing the fact that you believe that apparently all Israelis, be they Christian or Jews, are apparently killers. That in itself is not fair, as the conflict in that region evokes strongly mixed feelings.

I may agree with what you say, btu belive you're stretching it a little too far by claiming good conduct as "your" example, when you yourself have been rather biased on several occasions. No one is perfect.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37480 Dec 18, 2012
the bright light wrote:
then....when i found this thread, i got a point that the israel will never be able to be a state however and whenever... just check it out.,,, occupation of a land cant be agreed as a thruth.. who will be the judge for this country which always kills and murdering human for the sake of its group.... just imagine,,, if you are a palestinian and your home, your school, parent, brother have killed by zionist army, will you keep silent?...the western country through its media has reported fake news of it as is the palestinian is the terorist...
for me... the truth is they respont what the jews did... that the fact,,,, the real terorist is israel and USA.
no body knows about the future... hopefully israel will be end,,,,
Amen, your post is very enlightening.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37481 Dec 18, 2012
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

The Day That Didn't Change A Thing

By Michael Robeson

Many observers believe that the American character has dramatically changed since September 11, 2001. They are wrong; it has simply evolved: Victories in two World Wars solidified US leaders' hunger for world dominance - an appetite acquired during a century of land thefts of the indigenous tribes and the theft of the old Spanish Empire.

Fear and hatred of communism, decades of living under the threat of nuclear war, living in the shadow of the Cold War spy scandals, imaginations filled with the violent imagery of film and television, all accentuated Americans' Westward Ho insolence toward "the other" and exacerbated the historical racism that the civil-rights movement failed to eradicate, as shown by the upside-down racism of Obama supporters who label even serious criticism of him as racist/hate speech.

The scourge of AIDS, the cycles of sexual-abuse scandals - a large proportion of them hoaxes or bizarre exaggerations - made Americans more gullible, believing all sorts of media-spun horror stories, and far more worried about the value of engaging in emotional, interpersonal relationships. With the ratcheting up of fears, it is little wonder that Americans are highly susceptible to believing in the myth of personal victimhood and its accompanying faith in personal innocence, this while demanding zero tolerance for all wrongdoers, except their exceptional selves.

Decades before September 11, the conviction "There is nothing to fear but fear itself" morphed into the maxim "You can never be too safe." Liberals and conservatives, rich and poor, the length and breadth of American society instinctively believes that they are somehow always in danger. Psychologists would label this paranoia; theologians would call it a guilty conscience. Regardless, this general sense of personal insecurity, something that only a Big Brother or a Sugar Daddy could offer protection from, is fertile ground for the general acceptance of ham-fisted Homeland Security actions and legalized Patriot Act tyrannies.

The fall of the Twin Towers didn't collapse Americans into themselves and dramatically change them any more than Breivik dramatically changed the Norwegians. Both events brought out the best and the darkest of both societies. But in one of them, the latter was already winning out.

Yet let us not be too harsh in light of what harshness has passed. In admiration for America's collective genius in being able to make lemonade when given a lemon, we offer here a September 11 factoid that has never before been mentioned.

Three months after the attacks, during the Super Bowl halftime-show commemoration of them, the rock group U2 performed before two tower-like curtains inscribed with the names of those killed. At the act's finale, as the stadium rocked with applause, the curtains were made suddenly to crash to the ground. A heart-rending spectacle. With just one glitch, apart from the ill-timed applause: On the curtains were inscribed 6,000 names, one for each of the 6,000 people who had been murdered that day by Osama bin Laden. Six thousand, not three.

There is no need to wonder if the producers of the show ever corrected their mistake or apologized to the 3,000 Americans whose names were exploited for the purposes of show business. Like those names, most Americans understand very well that winning and losing are only the measure of having played the game, of being in the show. We know what counts and we are in this together.

Just don't ask us what kind of show we've gotten ourselves into. Especially not in an election year.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#37483 Dec 19, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. I never said or believed that "all" Israelis are Killers. It is not possible that all members of any society be the killers. But if the "majority" keeps silence and approve "tacitly" the people who do the killing share some blame for those killings.
That is HOW you accuse all Muslims to be responsible for the Terrorist attacks, do you not?
So why Jews and Christians living in Isreal be an exception?
02. Yes no one is perfect and I am included in that. I am open to correction. Some times I write rhetoric answers to certain Hostile Questions.
But my replies are always guarded and do not have free flowing abuses and insults that you find in my accusers.
I don't think that the majority "approves;" there's a lot of mixed feelings down there. On one hand part of the population doesn't like what's going on and yet lack legal resources to take action, another part wants to continue the current line of action, and another part doesn't really care much because they are preocuppied with their own issues or choose not to. You see this in every kind of Middle Eastern nation at the moment, ie when the Syrian government shelled Palestinian camps in the south...some were outraged, some insistant that they continue to bomb the camps, and others didn't care. The doves vs the hawks vs the pigeons.

And the internet is always filled with arguments, that's nothing new. I'm simply surprised that many seem to have the same level of maturity as the teenagers on my daughter's Facebook list.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37484 Dec 20, 2012
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Global Peace and Security

President Obama and Mankind at Crossroads

By Mahboob A. Khawaja, PhD.

September 11, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- The Obama’s presidency was seen a fantasy to the centuries old white legacy of the White House. The power and its glorification associated with the White House have not resulted in any ground breaking discoveries even after Obama’s entry to the Washington landscape. The crucial challenge Obama faces is how to cope with change and adaptability to a New Beginning that he envisaged but betrayed by conscientious compromise to ensure his own political survival. Paul Craig Roberts called him “The World’s Least Powerful Man – the Obama Puppet.” Obama did not pave the way to hell for the unwanted wars but found it already paved by George Bush to keep on solo walking to entrapment - the Madness of Unthinking.

Politics is a game of new and creative ideas not a fixed entity or an end to itself. Those who perceive “points of no return” and scramble “red lines” indulge in self-geared acts of absurdity and can hardly relate to the contemporary informed global intellect and changing priorities of the mankind, open and flexible to change and futuristic developments. On all of his major policy statements and strategic intents from the immediate closing of the Guantanmobay Terrorism Headquarters, the end of two bogus wars, the lobbyists dominated politics, re-approaching diplomacy and outreach to normalization of relations with the Muslim world, President Obama got glued to the form and forgot the essence of meaning and purpose for which he won the election -“Yes We Can.”

Most politicians do read Machiavelli’s Prince to perform at the political theatre. On the election night 2008, Obama spoke of “remaking America” but while accepting the wishful Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo and argued not for much needed peacemaking to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but he defended the Bushism of waging aggressive wars against the poor and destitute nations out of the scope of the US animosity radar. George Bush and his neo-conservatives warmongers invested heavily to make America morally, politically and financially bankrupt by waging the bogus wars on terrorism. T

There was a strategy in No Strategy after the 9/11 events to demonstrate to the fearful American masses that some forceful measures and foreign war engagements will be on the active Bush’s agenda to protect the US security interests. The ultimate aims of the wars on terrorism were to create more terrorism and to destabilize those nations having reservoirs of untapped oil and gas resources and to crop up new markets for the American corporations to sell more arms and weapons.

To spotlight the cruelty of the on-going wars of terrorism for fun and enjoyment, Gordon Duff (“The Baggage of America Extremism: No Enemy, No Negotiation, Only the Dead are Real”, ICH, December 16, 2009), outlines the dilemma:“We had become addicted to the "black and white" version of Bushitism to the extent that we, as a nation, have given up thought entirely. We know we can't win. Do we expect an army of angels to come down from heaven, the ones Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld dreamed of, or are we going to start acting like a world leader again.”


Obama’s politics does not generate any creative enthusiasm as was perhaps anticipated during his first presidential election campaign. In times of crises and adversity, he appears confused to face the facts of life and global affairs but always willing to strike backdoor compromises if the Israeli lobbyists insist on his role-play. To a reputable international journalist, Robert Dreyfuss (“Obama:'I Have Met Israel and It Is "Us"' ICH- the Nation 7/12/2010), Obama will even surrender the White House to entice the Israeli interest more so in a presidential election year:

MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37485 Dec 20, 2012
-“Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu set up another illegal Jewish settlement, this time on the White House lawn. And, it appears, President Obama has agreed to serve as its armed guard. So complete was Obama’s identification with Israel yesterday that he actually referred to Israel as “us” before correcting himself:“We strongly believe that, given its size, its history, the region that it’s in, and the threats that are leveled against us—against it, that Israel has unique security requirements.”

It is not the Audacity of Hope but consequential dictate of history when nations and leaders violate the Laws of God, and challenge the limits of reason; they end-up in self defeat and destruction. If diplomacy was the foremost choice to search for feasible political accommodation, President Obama did not bother to use it; instead he continued the Bush dictum of insanity in Iraq and Afghanistan.“Negotiations cannot convince al-Qaida's leaders to lay down their arms,”

In his Oslo Nobel Peace Prize speech, President Obama claimed:“to say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism, it is recognition of history.” History offers a learning role that you could not comprehend it. History shall judge you Mr Obama by your actions, not claims. With escalating war efforts and additional troops to kill more innocent civilians and disturb the Afghan graveyards, you have kept the insane momentum to airlift more men and material to Afghanistan and that does not signal peacemaking at all. After the American failure in Iraq, You want to conquer Afghanistan and Pakistan to maintain the Bush contracted gas and oil pipelines that sound against the Nature of Things and it is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. The consequences are yet to come.

One for all all for one

Bethlehem, PA

#37486 Dec 20, 2012
MUQ:

A blessed Christmas to you.

MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37487 Dec 20, 2012
One for all all for one wrote:
MUQ:
A blessed Christmas to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =MvjiVam2HO4XX
Thanks and same to you too.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37488 Dec 20, 2012
Advocate wrote:
I don't think that the majority "approves;" there's a lot of mixed feelings down there. On one hand part of the population doesn't like what's going on and yet lack legal resources to take action, another part wants to continue the current line of action, and another part doesn't really care much because they are preoccupied with their own issues or choose not to.

You see this in every kind of Middle Eastern nation at the moment, ie when the Syrian government shelled Palestinian camps in the south...some were outraged, some insistent that they continue to bomb the camps, and others didn't care. The doves vs the hawks vs the pigeons.

And the internet is always filled with arguments, that's nothing new. I'm simply surprised that many seem to have the same level of maturity as the teenagers on my daughter's Facebook list.
Ans.

While the people have different opinions and keep on arguing with each other “Those is Power” take decisions and implement it irrespective of what these people decide!!

That is what we have seen while “people in USA were debating and demonstrating as to attack Iraq or not”, GWB the Great and his cronies in Senate and House of representative launched a “full attack on Iraq” and got their way.

Later the same people who were demonstrating against Iraq War, re-elected GWB the Great!!

The same thing happens for Isreal and Zionist lobby, they continue doing what they want and people just forget after some time.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37490 Dec 21, 2012
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Global Peace and Security

President Obama and Mankind at Crossroads

By Mahboob A. Khawaja, PhD.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the American thought process on the War on Terrorism and the emerging conflict with Iran. David Perez (“Imagine”, Information Clearing House, 02/2009), attempts to set out the humanistic concerns:

“Imagine being in a room of maimed, deformed and tortured Iraqis, Afghans and Palestinians, accompanied by widows and orphans mourning because their entire family has been exterminated. I imagine this roomful of walking dead sitting around while my friends and I discuss how “realistic” we in the U.S. must be with our electoral politics, how our expectations need to “practical,” how peace is just so damn “complicated.”…. imagine these victims looking at us with blank, scarred faces as we congratulate ourselves for selecting a new President who talks about “our God-given right to lead,” about our duty to spread U.S.-style democracy throughout the globe, and how we are now just so “proud to be American.”

America could have learnt from the despotic Europeans who fought and killed millions during the two world wars before settling in at the EU tables to define their religious unity and common economic and political interests. Those who conspired animosity and conducted the warmongering against the mankind of which they were a part, are long buried in graveyards and not available for accountability.

Surely, they knew how to escape the dictate of history and now the futuristic European generations are pretending to be civilized after having been in the dark ages for centuries. Recently, one 111 years old British soldier - the last remaining WW1 British veteran made it clear before dying (BBC, 10/2009),“we don’t know why we fought and killed other fellow human beings. Wars do not seem to solve any problem.” One wonders, why human beings fight with their fellow human beings. Edward Glover (War, Sadism and Pacifism) noted:“human beings fight because they are afraid, afraid that worse will happen to them if they do not… to pugnacity and hatred, we must add fear.”
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37491 Dec 21, 2012
Could we – the rational human beings, take notice of the continued insanity and help to stop its overwhelming convergence to safeguard the future generations from the scourge of wars? This was the role and responsibility of the creations of the UNO, the Security Council and other institutionalized systems to make the humanity safe and secure. Perhaps the human nature is at least part wicked and in part foolish, not realizing the consequences of actions of the few war lords of the world, C.E.M Joad wonders,

“the pacifist’s question becomes, how can human beings be prevented from suffering from the results of their wickedness and folly?” C.E.M Joad (Guide to Modern Wickedness), makes the obvious facts abundantly clear that war diminishes happiness and lowers morality….and that men simply do not see that war is foolish and useless and wicked. Now as President Obama claimed that it is necessary and wise and honorable. The bigger question may be asked: how can we induce other leaders to perceive their error of perception and judgment and to make them realize the truth that wars are wrong, and those waging the wars are not peacemakers but wicked enemies of the humanity and certainly not suitable to be prized for wars but to be held accountable for the death and destruction of millions of the fellow human beings.

David Perez (“Imagine”, Information Clearing House, 02/2009), attempts to recall the forgotten consequences – the untold sufferings and agony of the civilian victim population of the War on Terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan, and how do they reason the unreason in a language of silence:

“Imagine these charred visitors with missing limbs bowing their heads and wondering if they should somehow envy us for always finding a way to celebrate and party and bask in our entertainment-soaked culture – even when it comes to our “handsome” President being sworn in at the same time their homes were being incinerated, courtesy of our state-of-the-art weaponry. Perhaps these “unfortunate” sufferers will understand that we can’t prosecute our own war criminals, because, you see, we simply “have to move on.” And maybe they’ll understand that not one U.S. leader has ever – ever – called our bombings and invasions a terrorist act………May be they’ll understand us when we shake our heads and say,“Well, this is just how politics work here. Sure it’s corrupt but, hell, what can we do?”

"I face the world as it is," President Obama explained at the Oslo Nobel Peace Award ceremony (December 10, 2009), but refusing to renounce the war for his nation or under his leadership, saying that he is obliged to protect and defend the United States. But Obama misled the informed and conscientious global intellect as no nation is threatening the American people or their security.“No matter how justified, war promises human tragedy”, he said. Norman Soloman ( Commondreams.Org )“Mr President War is not Peace”, Dec 10, 2009), questions the intent and eloquence of Obama’s speech and strikes a warning note:
“War is not peace. It never has been. It never will be…….in the name of pragmatism, Obama spoke of “the world as it is” and threw a cloak of justification over the grisly escalation in Afghanistan by insisting that “war is sometimes necessary”-- but generalities do nothing to mitigate the horrors of war being endured by others.”

w wman uk

UK

#37492 Dec 22, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Using foul language is not which is called criticism. Making cartoons and lampooning someone's personality is not what is called criticism.
It shows the meanness of your personality and that you have no respect to the feelings of other's faiths.
And the people who defend such acts show their own meanness of personality. Instead of condemning such people they come in the defense of such people.
We Muslims also criticise Christians and their beliefs, but we stay within the civil limits. We do not say anything about Jesus that lowers his dignity as a prophet.
It seems you are still a toddler in the field as to how to carry out a civil debate or discussion with any one.
You can see the type of language you use and they type of language I use. They can see belligerence and boasts and insulting attitude in your posts and calmness and patience and perseverance in mine posts.
And while I am not the best example of how Muslims should conduct debate and discussions.
Our religion teaches us to never go to extremes neither in love nor in hate. Stay on the middle path. This is golden rule.
So murdering people rioting and burning cars becase they write a book or draw a silly cartoons isnt foul ? Thats without going into forced marrage female genital mutlation and supression and denial of education to a child because it doent have a penis thats not foul? Your outraged not because of as you call it foul language what you cant take is the fact that people are getting more aware of your brand of islam. Where have l made boasts our system is definatly not perfect . Your middle path consists of wet dreams about world domination for islam, the genocide of the Jewish people in Israel .You even posted that all Jewish people should put on an island to be kept away from the rest of the world. Your golden rule is to swollow what ever the iman gives you and that is really foul. What next more cut and paste?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37493 Dec 22, 2012
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Global Peace and Security
President Obama and Mankind at Crossroads

By Mahboob A. Khawaja, PhD.

America’s political elite so often remembers Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. to fill the moral and intellectual blanks but neglects his advice:“The chain reaction of evil... wars producing more wars... must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.” In a war propelled economy of the few, and given the US history of wars for more than 220 battlefield engagements in its two centuries of evolutionary history and the perpetuated insanity of the warlords to make more wars, Mike Prysner (“Amazing speech by an Iraq war veteran”: 12/25/2009), an Iraqi War veteran has these daring observations to share with the informed and concerned humanity:

“Our real enemy is not the ones living in a distant land whose names or policies we don't understand; The real enemy is a system that wages war when it's profitable, the CEOs who lay us off our jobs when it's profitable, the Insurance Companies who deny us Health care when it's profitable, the Banks who take away our homes when it's profitable. Our enemies are not several hundred thousands away. They are right here in front of us.”

To reconstruct a different and more sustainable future for the besieged humanity, it is incumbent upon the intellectuals, academics, visionaries, poets, philosophers and the thinking people of the Universe to perceive and articulate new and creative ideas, new political imagination for the 21st century organizations to be functional for the people, by the people and accountable to the supremacy of the people’s will.

Time and encompassing opportunities warrant New Thinking, New Leaders and New Visions for change and the future-making. But change and creativity and new visions will not emerge out of the obsolete, redundant and failed authoritarianism of the few insane leaders. A reflection on the on-going wars and resulting destructions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Arab Peninsula, Israel and Palestine clearly demonstrate leadership madness, insanity and aggression to the principles and norms of the UNO charter and human rights values guaranteed for peace, security and co-existence.

The consequences of Man’s cruelty to Man confirm how closely the Western leaders collaborate with the oil-pumping Arab dictatorial regimes and others so called democracies to betray the interest of the global community. The discovery of oil appears to be a conspiracy to undermine the Arab culture and civilization. The Arab world without oil were people of vision, knowledge and civilization but the oil transitory illusion of prosperity has spoiled and dehumanized the modern Arab minds and souls. They are glued to a treacherous sense of materialism that lacks rational support.
w wman uk

Liverpool, UK

#37496 Dec 23, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Instead of condemning people who write filth and dirt and draw cartoons and lampoons the personality of our prophet, you are angry why people protest? This shows your true mentality. Not saying a word against those who did those acts.
02. Islam gives right to education to both boys and girls. But that does not mean that they have to be educated in a co-ed schools.
03. If your system is not perfect, then why you do not tolerate that some one should criticize it and give you a better alternative?
04. It is not pipe dream that Islam will dominate this earth, despite all this negative bias, Islam is the only religion which is growing in the west.
05. You say nothing about what Jews are doing to hapless Palestinians in Isreal. That also shows your "neutral stand" does it?
All in all, your post is typical anti Muslim , full of hate and hatred towards Islam and Muslims and which has become your trade mark.
Take care of your health, so much hate and hatred hidden inside your body could cause a stroke!!
The murdering hamas/ hezzbullah gangsta palistininian leadership hapless ? No one would have heard of rusdie if the murhumna hadnt made such a fuss about nothing even the head arshollah of iran issued a fatwa just like this recent shite film murhumna were rioting burning people died they were outraged even though they have and will never see that film. This is why you shouldnt let children play with nukes.No doubt you would clain they want this tech for peacfull perposed. Muslims are fine people what we are concerned about is the locaust effect of extreem islam it has made its effects present in every country where the muslim populatio rises above 5%. Deny this and prove me wrong even if you have to resort to cut and paste. The increasing numbers of muslims to be found in our prison they are the fastest growing group .
Jai

Ashburn, VA

#37497 Dec 23, 2012
Is, there any persian pig out here ?
jake steed

United States

#37498 Dec 23, 2012
the bright light wrote:
then....when i found this thread, i got a point that the israel will never be able to be a state however and whenever... just check it out.,,, occupation of a land cant be agreed as a thruth.. who will be the judge for this country which always kills and murdering human for the sake of its group.... just imagine,,, if you are a palestinian and your home, your school, parent, brother have killed by zionist army, will you keep silent?...the western country through its media has reported fake news of it as is the palestinian is the terorist...
for me... the truth is they respont what the jews did... that the fact,,,, the real terorist is israel and USA.
no body knows about the future... hopefully israel will be end,,,,
brother israel or its people will never end not even thousands of years of persecution had stopped them or a holocaust. so what makes you still an unbeliever?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37499 Dec 23, 2012
jake steed wrote:
<quoted text>brother israel or its people will never end not even thousands of years of persecution had stopped them or a holocaust. so what makes you still an unbeliever?
Is surviving the Only Criterion for a nation or people to be great? Have you not seen cockroaches and crocodiles "survive" for millions of years?

Why every one is "amazed" by the Jews survival skills?

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