Israel's end is near, Ahmadinejad says

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TEHRAN, Iran- Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad yesterday said the world would witness the destruction of Israel soon, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

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Gainesville, FL

#37450 Dec 11, 2012
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The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#37451 Dec 11, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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01. I do not know why are you so allergic to religious terms to be used in any discussion.
02 And I see no reason to avoid discussing religions, when it is the thing on which most people are ready to give up their lives. Why would you want to avoid discussing something that precious to you?
And what do you mean by these "heavy weight" terms like "Epistemological and deontological"….. do you think that by talking in "Doctoral language" will bring us closer to each other?
Is making your language unintelligible a "better" way to have discussions?
03. I think you are moving in "High Class literary circles" a lot of lately. It is time you come down to earth and start speaking in human language for a change.
"Allergic?" No, I just think you fail to understand that religious thought is very skewed and not of objective at all and only caters to a specific set of people; the ideas of a Sikh will be different than the ideas of a Lutheran, and thus they are unable to judge each other w/out bias on their own terms precisely because those terms only favour a certain set of people. If we wish to be ibjective then we do away with religious judgement.

What do you mean by "unintelligible?" You've access to a computer, and you can look these up on the internet. These are not necessarily "high class" terms, but are actually rather basic philosophical criterions and bases.

How can you expect to debate me if you do not know the fundamentals of philosophy?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37452 Dec 11, 2012
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

The Method to the Post 9/11 Madness

By David Swanson

September 11, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- To your average educated careful consumer of U.S. news media, our militarism looks like ad hoc reactionary responses. A crisis flairs up here. We “intervene” there. An irrational foreign dictator threatens the peace over yonder. We get into wars because we have no choice, and then continue them because ending them would be somehow even worse than continuing them.

In fact, there is a method to the madness. I don’t mean just the pressure that President Eisenhower warned us would be created by massive military spending. I mean that the war planners have planned far ahead. They have lists of upcoming wars.(In 2001, according toWesley Clark the Pentagon sought wars in the coming years with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Tony Blair independently confirmed a similar list.) They invent the public excuses for those wars as the need arises. The actual motivations are not humanitarian, but driven by a crazed desire to dominate the world’s economies, waterways, and fossil fuels.

The papers of the 1990s pro-war think tank, the Project for the New American Century, fit with and explain what the United States and NATO and their allies have done for the past 11 years far better than President Bush’s speech given on the wreckage of the World Trade Center or anything announced by the White House right up through President Obama’s latest campaign speeches this week.

A new book called “The Globalization of NATO” by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya traces the development of NATO, from a supposedly defensive and North Atlantic organization, into an aggressive and global one, albeit one with some deep internal rivalries and tensions.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37455 Dec 12, 2012
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

The Method to the Post 9/11 Madness

By David Swanson

World War II never ended. The Nazi scientists were brought to the United States to continue developing weapons. Secret forces were left behind, within European governments (“Gladio” is the well-known name of the force in Italy), where they killed and lied in support of right-leaning governments for decades, and in support of NATO’s strength and unity.

“The Globalization of NATO” looks not only at NATO’s 1990s wars in Yugoslavia, but at the U.S. machinations during the 1980s that led to conflict there. As Nazemroaya notes, in 2009, the U.S. eagerly pointed out that the language of Moldova is essentially Romanian, but had when useful in the 1990s tried to claim that the Serbo-Croatian of Bosnia was a different language from the Serbo-Croatian of Serbia. Such claims, like outrage at human rights abuses in Syria and Iran but not in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia, are opportunistic.

When U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright learned of a massacre in a Kosovan village, Racak, she delightedly exclaimed,“Spring has come early!” NATO was able to begin its campaign of “humanitarian wars” with massive bombing of civilians. But the enemy wasn’t the people of Yugoslavia. The enemies were Russia and China and Iran. They are the enemies today. In 1999, NATO bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, and that same Wesley Clark ordered British and French troops to attack the Russian military. Luckily, those troops refused that order, not wanting to be pawns in a game that risky.

World domination means controlling nations like Iraq and Libya, and placing bases and pipelines in places like Afghanistan, where they could benefit the West but hurt Russia, China, and Iran. It also means expanding Europe, NATO, and the European Union, to control the entire Mediterranean (which is how Lebanon and Syria become key targets). It means controlling the Arctic with Canada’s help. It means weaponizing outerspace. It means dominating Africa. It means surrounding Russia and China with missiles, bases, and ships, prepared to cut off their trade. It means imposing as much suffering as possible on the Iranian people. It means redefining sociopathic acts as rational inevitabilities.

Obama’s turn toward Asia, and all the new bases and troops popping up in Australia, Guam, South Korea, and Japan, began before and will continue after Obama. It is part of a strategy to surround China. It is driving a new arms race and new tensions. While China’s military spending is still only about a tenth of the U.S.’s, it has grown four-fold in recent years. The arms race has carried over to the Middle East as well, with the United States tripling its sales of weapons to foreign dictatorships last year. All of which is great for weapons makers. It’s also part of the madness of the method behind our militarism.

Which is not to say that everything goes as planned. Military operations accurately label themselves with the term “SNAFU”, and pockets of resistance have been known to spring up and grow rapidly. Ecuador and other Latin American nations, as well as Uzbekistan and other Central Asian nations, have found the strength to tell NATO to head on back to the North Atlantic. The Non-Aligned Nations representing the majority of the people on earth just met in Iran and proposed, among other things, plans for total nuclear disarmament. Perhaps the aligned nations should join the non-aligned nations in more ways than one. Perhaps the institution of NATO should join nuclear weaponry on the pile of bad ideas whose time has come and gone.
http://davidswanson.org
w wman uk

London, UK

#37456 Dec 13, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
You might be the "Only One" to know the Truth Behind Salman Rushdie…. While every one from your country was on street to demand that "he be protected and treated like a precious jewel".
Now that he has served his worth, you are trying to disown them. And the same attitude is seen every time when some one starts abusing Islam and its prophet.
You should ask your "Lords" why Salman Rushdie was made "Your Lord"!!
Even a single true Muslim is a threat to any country, because the forces of falsehood cannot withstand even the slightest truth!!
The more the falsehood, the stronger are they to extinguish the flame of truth.
rushdi wrote shitanic verses years ago you havent mentioned this fool before are you runing out of thing to be outraged about ? Its islam that cant take critisizim some muslims have such little faith they feel threatened by a book or a cartoon. That they have to take time off from beating their wives to show their sencative side and riot burn cars do the death to America thing oh how islamic of them.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37457 Dec 13, 2012
w wman uk wrote:
<quoted text> rushdi wrote shitanic verses years ago you havent mentioned this fool before are you runing out of thing to be outraged about ? Its islam that cant take critisizim some muslims have such little faith they feel threatened by a book or a cartoon. That they have to take time off from beating their wives to show their sencative side and riot burn cars do the death to America thing oh how islamic of them.
Using foul language is not which is called criticism. Making cartoons and lampooning someone's personality is not what is called criticism.

It shows the meanness of your personality and that you have no respect to the feelings of other's faiths.

And the people who defend such acts show their own meanness of personality. Instead of condemning such people they come in the defense of such people.

We Muslims also criticise Christians and their beliefs, but we stay within the civil limits. We do not say anything about Jesus that lowers his dignity as a prophet.

It seems you are still a toddler in the field as to how to carry out a civil debate or discussion with any one.

You can see the type of language you use and they type of language I use. They can see belligerence and boasts and insulting attitude in your posts and calmness and patience and perseverance in mine posts.

And while I am not the best example of how Muslims should conduct debate and discussions.

Our religion teaches us to never go to extremes neither in love nor in hate. Stay on the middle path. This is golden rule.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37459 Dec 14, 2012
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

The Day That Didn't Change A Thing

By Michael Robeson

September 11, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- Are Norwegians weird, or what? Seventy-seven of them get massacred by a killer who gets a prison term of only 21 years and they don't take to the streets in protest, even when their president, without a drop of machismo, says: "The bomb and bullets were aimed at changing Norway. The Norwegian people responded by embracing our values. The killer failed, the people won." What kind of boring values do Norwegians share? And what do they have against change?

Seventy-seven Norwegians may sound like chump change compared with the almost 3,000 Americans that died on the day that changed everything forever and ever Amen. But for Norway's 7 million people, last year's attacks killed proportionately more of them than the number of Americans killed on September 11, 2001. Norwegian politicians are not climbing over themselves demanding stricter national-security measures and citizens have not been Tea Partying in the streets crying for vengeance and clamoring for the death penalty. Those long winters must bleed the hot-bloodedness out of them.

In the US, "change" was the codeword of that day in 2001 and has become a political mantra ever since. Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel and now defense minister, got the ball rolling that morning when, interviewed on the British Broadcasting Corp, he announced: "The world will not be the same from today on ... This is the time to deploy a globally concerted effort ... against all sources of terror, consistently along six or 10 years ... Iran, Iraq, Libya."

It is not for us to discuss whether Barak was an all-seeing prophet or an all-powerful proponent. US president George W Bush, with his ear to the ground, followed up on his advice and kept to the message of "change is good", apart from encouraging Americans not to lose sight of their values, which involved his telling them to keep shopping.

Some things just can't be changed; and Barack Obama's presidency, promoted by his catchy campaign slogan, shows that the more things change, the more they remain insane.

(Contd.)
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#37461 Dec 14, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Using foul language is not which is called criticism. Making cartoons and lampooning someone's personality is not what is called criticism.
It shows the meanness of your personality and that you have no respect to the feelings of other's faiths.
And the people who defend such acts show their own meanness of personality. Instead of condemning such people they come in the defense of such people.
We Muslims also criticise Christians and their beliefs, but we stay within the civil limits. We do not say anything about Jesus that lowers his dignity as a prophet.
It seems you are still a toddler in the field as to how to carry out a civil debate or discussion with any one.
You can see the type of language you use and they type of language I use. They can see belligerence and boasts and insulting attitude in your posts and calmness and patience and perseverance in mine posts.
And while I am not the best example of how Muslims should conduct debate and discussions.
Our religion teaches us to never go to extremes neither in love nor in hate. Stay on the middle path. This is golden rule.
Wait, are you saying Muslim extremists don't exist? The what do you call Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas and the like? Don't they say that their actions are backed by God?

Why criticise Christian extremists for their beliefs but refuse to criticism Muslim extremists for their views? Aren't they essentially the same?
w wman uk

UK

#37463 Dec 15, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Where did I say that Muslim extremists do not exist?
But what I do not like is people only picking out Muslim extremists and leave out their own extremists.
Islamic teachings are never towards extremism. If any one says that, do not just accept their claims on face value, ask them to come with proofs.
That is how you deal with extremists.
But what your media does, is to take these extremists and present them as "typical and Average Muslims" and then start maligning Islam and its scripture and its prophet.
This is totally wrong approach.
Why do we have mosques preaching hate in the Uk imported islofachiest imans from pakistan entreating the youth to jehasd telling the not to vote or they will be considered a kafhar. A good man l know who is strict as far as his religion is concerned will not worship in croyden mosque because as he put it there are dity people there. You seem to know nothimg of the world only what the iman has rodgered into you. Everyone would have more respect for you if you were honest and admit the flaws in islam every religion has them because the holy scripts were writen and translated by men and as we all know man is not perfect.
w wman uk

UK

#37464 Dec 15, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
The Day That Didn't Change A Thing
By Michael Robeson
September 11, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- Are Norwegians weird, or what? Seventy-seven of them get massacred by a killer who gets a prison term of only 21 years and they don't take to the streets in protest, even when their president, without a drop of machismo, says: "The bomb and bullets were aimed at changing Norway. The Norwegian people responded by embracing our values. The killer failed, the people won." What kind of boring values do Norwegians share? And what do they have against change?
Seventy-seven Norwegians may sound like chump change compared with the almost 3,000 Americans that died on the day that changed everything forever and ever Amen. But for Norway's 7 million people, last year's attacks killed proportionately more of them than the number of Americans killed on September 11, 2001. Norwegian politicians are not climbing over themselves demanding stricter national-security measures and citizens have not been Tea Partying in the streets crying for vengeance and clamoring for the death penalty. Those long winters must bleed the hot-bloodedness out of them.
In the US, "change" was the codeword of that day in 2001 and has become a political mantra ever since. Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel and now defense minister, got the ball rolling that morning when, interviewed on the British Broadcasting Corp, he announced: "The world will not be the same from today on ... This is the time to deploy a globally concerted effort ... against all sources of terror, consistently along six or 10 years ... Iran, Iraq, Libya."
It is not for us to discuss whether Barak was an all-seeing prophet or an all-powerful proponent. US president George W Bush, with his ear to the ground, followed up on his advice and kept to the message of "change is good", apart from encouraging Americans not to lose sight of their values, which involved his telling them to keep shopping.
Some things just can't be changed; and Barack Obama's presidency, promoted by his catchy campaign slogan, shows that the more things change, the more they remain insane.
(Contd.)
More cut an paste from the admonished but unrepentant muslim.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37465 Dec 15, 2012
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The Day That Didn't Change A Thing

By Michael Robeson

Though apparently not in Norway. Anders Breivik, the terrorist killer of 77 people, 69 of them teenagers, was found by court physicians to be legally sane, a title that Bush and Obama can also give claim to. Unlike them, Breivik was given by his captors his day in court, something the citadel of democratic values did not see fit to give Osama bin Laden and his alleged associates.

Unlike bin Laden, though, Breivik is a citizen of Norway and retains certain rights despite being an enemy of its values. One cannot expect all Western nations to accord such niceties to citizens considered to be enemies, such as the Muslim American teenage who was droned by President Obama in Pakistan this year. But we are not here concerned about things like values in the context of politics, especially not in an election year when Americans have so much to worry about with the decline of their property values.

A few days after the Breivik verdict, an Israeli religious leader arrived at his own verdict regarding his nation's "Islamofascist" enemies. Shas party Rabbi Ovadia Yosef called on Jews to pray for the destruction of Iran - "When we say 'may our enemies be struck down' on Rosh Hashana, it shall be directed at Iran, the evil ones who threaten Israel. God shall strike them down and kill them." Haaretz reports that the rabbi had earlier been visited by senior Israeli defense officials, persuading him to support a possible attack on Iran.

No verdict has yet been reached by the rabbi, though, on that week's attack by a gang of more than a hundred Israelis on four Arab youths in broad daylight in downtown Jerusalem. The Jewish media strangely referred to it as an "attempted lynching", anything to avoid a more fitting term - "pogrom" - and this in a country that has seen scores of "settler" attacks on Palestinians in the past year and calling them "payback", payback against them in retaliation for Israeli government actions against the "settlers". Can anyone say "Ebreofascism"?

(Contd.)
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#37467 Dec 16, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Where did I say that Muslim extremists do not exist?
But what I do not like is people only picking out Muslim extremists and leave out their own extremists.
Islamic teachings are never towards extremism. If any one says that, do not just accept their claims on face value, ask them to come with proofs.
That is how you deal with extremists.
But what your media does, is to take these extremists and present them as "typical and Average Muslims" and then start maligning Islam and its scripture and its prophet.
This is totally wrong approach.
Ehem.

I think you are ignoring that every religion has liberal, neutral, and extremist positions. Extremists are able to quote from any kind of Scripture for a reason.
hmmmm

Tampa, FL

#37468 Dec 16, 2012
lol@ all these people saying americans support muslims over israel. all i've ever heard, from living in america since birth, has been 'glass the muslims, it'll solve so many problems'. so, we're no friends of islam here people.
Steven Hassan

Pretoria, South Africa

#37469 Dec 16, 2012
The Advocate wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait, are you saying Muslim extremists don't exist? The what do you call Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas and the like? Don't they say that their actions are backed by God?
Why criticise Christian extremists for their beliefs but refuse to criticism Muslim extremists for their views? Aren't they essentially the same?
George Patton said his acts were backed by God..George Bush said "GOD TOLD ME TO INVADE IRAQ"...I am quite sure most Russian, Geman, and for that matter anyone fighting a war beleives God is on thier side.

Please remeber, there are no athieists in a fix hole.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37470 Dec 16, 2012

US school shooting: Tearful Barack Obama calls for 'meaningful action'

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/

WASHINGTON: A tearful President Barack Obama said US leaders must "take meaningful action'' regardless of politics in response to the mass shooting at a Connecticut elementary school.

The president teared up, at times using an index finger to wipe at the corner of his eyes, as he addressed the nation from the White House. He also paused repeatedly as he struggled to keep his composure while speaking of the children, ages 5 to 10, who had died and the life milestones they now would miss.

He said, quote, "Our hearts are broken.''

Shortly before speaking, Obama ordered that US flags be flown at half-staff on public grounds through Tuesday.

Comments (from MUQ):

So now the "Recently elected Lame Duck President" has asked to take "Meaningful Response" on that school shooting Incident. Let us see different scenarios and the "Meaningful Response" that one could take:

A. The Killing was from a Missile or Bomb Attack from any Muslim country in the world:

Meaningful Response:

Launch a full scale war on that country and bring it to "Middle ages" in four or five days. There is no limit on the response. Use any weapons, use Carpet Bombing…

B. The Killing was from a Missile attack or Bomb Attack but the country was Isreal:

Meaningful Response:

It must have been a mistake, otherwise USA never expects that a "friendly nation" like Isreal would do such a heinous crime.

President of USA has "personally asked" the HE the President of Isreal to issue a "written and signed apology" that such an incident shall never be repeated in future. And Israel planes and Missiles shall not treat USA as an "enemy country".

They should plan and execute their "training missions" in so many Non Civilized countries in their neighborhood.

C. The Killing was done by members of any Islamic group:

Meaningful Response:

Impose an "immediate ban" on that Group, and arrest all its members, launch a "punitive Air Strikes" against is head quarters in any country it would be.

Send all the arrested persons to GITMO camp, so they be nor covered any US or International law and hold them captive till they die or commit suicide.

(Contd.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37471 Dec 16, 2012
D. The Killing is done by Members of any Extremist Jewish or Christian Group:

Meaningful Response:

The President has "personally asked" US Surgeon General to send a team of "Imminent Mental Doctors" to talk to these people and find out real reason of this "Extremist behaviour".

It is hoped that after an extensive session, most people would see the light and turn the corner and join the main stream.

E. The killing is done by a Single Person which has a Muslim sounding name:

Meaningful Response:

It is these Muslim Migrants who are spoiling our peaceful country. We should stop all immigration of Muslim people to USA. And those Muslims who are in USA must be kept under strict watch.

Their mosques and their assembly halls must be kept under surveillance round the clock.

And Govt. alone cannot do this job (because there are so many Muslims in USA), so we request our peaceful citizens to keep a watch on movement of these Muslims and take proper action or inform police in case they observe any "suspicious movements"….the dedicated numbers to take these calls are 91111 (1000 Lines)

F. If the killing was done by a Jewish or Christian sounding Person:

Meaningful Response:

This was a savage act by an Individual with a sick mentality. It is not the fault of our system. We are investigating as to what provoked such a "nice man" to take this "Extreme step".

We have sympathy to the family members of the accused person who lost one member of their family in such a painful manner.

May God have mercy on his soul, our Christian values tell us not to condemn the Criminal but the Crime…as Jesus said…..blah, blah, blah

Conclusion:

And the killings go on as usual, there have been so many incidents in the past, but they will be forgotten.

Only the ones in which any Muslim or Muslim organization was accused to be involved, would be played again and again , just like an old record.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#37475 Dec 17, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
What prevents liberals and neutral to Quote from the scriptures and counter the views of the Extremists?
The real problem is the Media which paints "extremists" as the true face of any religion and side track the overwhelming attitude of majority population.
Exactly.

So why vilify the entirety of Christians, Jews and other non Muslims when you yourself get very upset when others do? Isn't that a double standard?
One for all all for one

Bethlehem, PA

#37477 Dec 18, 2012
May the God of everything that there is on this earth and the universe, have mercy upon us all. May our heavy hearts be filled with love and goodness. Peace begins in each and every one of us. We are all brothers and sisters. We are one - made by the one who created us all. He created a beautiful planet for all of his creation to enjoy. Peace and good will to everyone everywhere and for evermore.

“life is a gift. make it easy”

Since: Oct 10

surakarta

#37478 Dec 18, 2012
then....when i found this thread, i got a point that the israel will never be able to be a state however and whenever... just check it out.,,, occupation of a land cant be agreed as a thruth.. who will be the judge for this country which always kills and murdering human for the sake of its group.... just imagine,,, if you are a palestinian and your home, your school, parent, brother have killed by zionist army, will you keep silent?...the western country through its media has reported fake news of it as is the palestinian is the terorist...
for me... the truth is they respont what the jews did... that the fact,,,, the real terorist is israel and USA.

no body knows about the future... hopefully israel will be end,,,,
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#37479 Dec 18, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I NEVER spread hate against ALL Jews and ALL Christians and ALL Members of any religion.
And I do not use foul language against ANY prophet of God and religious persons of ANY religion.
But I am sad to say that people of other faiths do not follow my example.
I constantly receive hate message against ALL Muslims, I receive abuses and insults hurled against the personality of our prophet against our Quran and every thing connected with Islam and Muslims.
And what is strange you stand here lecturing ME and not these people who do these things?
Where is your sense of justice and fair play?
I have every right in the world to criticize those Jews and Christians who persecute and kill our innocent brothers in Palestine and elsewhere in the world. But my criticism is only for those Jews and Christians and not for every Jew and every Christian.
If you people followed my example, the world would be a much better and peaceful place than it is today.
You think that only you people have feelings and emotions and no one else.
I am referencing the fact that you believe that apparently all Israelis, be they Christian or Jews, are apparently killers. That in itself is not fair, as the conflict in that region evokes strongly mixed feelings.

I may agree with what you say, btu belive you're stretching it a little too far by claiming good conduct as "your" example, when you yourself have been rather biased on several occasions. No one is perfect.

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