Israel's end is near, Ahmadinejad says

[TEEstrong]

B_Girl_Turco wrote:

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puahahahahahahhaha lol :D how is this from israel >>> http://www.egonomik.com/wp-content/uploads/20...

lol that is funny and disturbing..haha

[MUQ]

So our "Aryshire" is back..... and she earned the Title "Professor" in her absence (Must be teaching Hate and Hatred as a special subject to some Extremist Gangs in some gutter district).

Now every "sane and any person with good tastes" should look for cover till the storm blows over.

I hope she blows over like that "Super Sandy"!!

[MUQ]

FS wrote:

01. Why do you want non-muslims to read Quran or gain knowledge of Islam?

02. Listen, nobody is interested in your religion. All we care is how do you behave. You cannot expect respect and the privileges that most of the muslim countries don't even think of giving to non-muslims.

03. Honestly tell me what rights are given to non-muslims in the country that you live in?

Nothing at all. But if some nations had banned burqa ,you would cry out loud as hell.

04. Muslims are despised not because of the religion they belong to, but their behavior towards non-muslim that comes out as an excuse of Islam.
What excuse?

05. Christians can't build churches and preach Christianity in your land because Islam doesn't allow so. That is the silly reason you give.

06. When France says its constitution doesn't allow idea of wearing burqa in public, you get offended.
This is the reason why the world condemns Muslims. You held your religion high(not a problem) and not allow others to have what they want and the reason you give is Islam. But when you receive any such obnoxious thing you start complaining.

07. You want everyone to look through eyes and not the other way round. If you are expecting favours from others, first learn to give some to others.

08. And don't try to preach Islam and try to convince why Islam is correct.

No religion would be proved 100% correct if we analyze them rationally.

Ans.

Let me summarize the points you raised in your long and haphazard post:

A. Why I ask Non Muslims to read Quran?

B. No one is Interested in Islam?

C. How Saudi Arabia treats Non Muslims

D. France is “Justified” in Banning BURQAS

E. All religions are not 100 % true (The Little “gem” at the end of your post!!

Now let me answer these points briefly

A. Why I ask Non Muslims to read Quran?

1. Because in Quran it is written that it is Guidance for the Humanity and for every Human.

2. It is one duty of every Muslim to deliver the message of Quran to every person living on earth. Lest they accuse Muslims of “keeping it with themselves” and not sharing it with them on the last day.

3. If you read Quran, you get True Answers to most of doubts, questions that trouble your minds about why we came into this world and what is our purpose of life and what will happen to us when we die.

4. These are serious questions and not “trifling matters” by any standard.

5. There is hardly any scripture in the world which tackles these difficult questions in so reasonable and logical way as Quran.

6. Why should you ignore this treasure of True Knowledge just because it is written in Arabic.

(Contd.)

[MUQ]

B. No one is Interested in Islam?

7. Seeing so many “expert comments” on Islam from every corner, it seems “every one in the world is interested in Islam”!!

8. There are “news and discoveries” about Islam in every newspaper on daily basis. There are panel discussions, expert’s comments and so much Anti Islamic propaganda that it seems that “Only interest for many people in this world” is to criticize Islam!!

9. How could I take your “unsupported words” that no one is interested in Islam.

10. In fact most people are interested in Islam, but are “too lazy” to study it. I only want to provide True Islamic teachings to them (to the best of my ability and knowledge of course)

C. How Saudi Arabia treats Non Muslims:

11. First of all, I did not mention any where Saudi Arabia as a “perfect model of Islam”. I am from India and I live and work in Saudi Arabia. Now let us see how it “tortures and punishes Non Muslims while they stay in Saudi Arabia”.

12. First of all, it is 100 % Muslim country since many generations. There is not a Single Non Muslim as its citizen for past many centuries.

13. Hardly any Non Muslim was interested to come and stay and work in Saudi Arabia, prior to discovery of Oil in late 1930 s. They would have refused to come and live in Saudi Arabia even if you paid them in those days.

14. Saudi Arabian Government does not force any Non Muslim to come and work in their country. People come here after signing a contract which says that have to follow the local customs and laws while they stay in the country. If some one is not conformable with this clause, they can refuse to come.

15. Then Saudi Arabia does not allow building of any other place of worship, because it is a Vanguard of Islam and so no public prayers other than Islam’s are allowed there. People pray inside their homes in which ever way they like.

16. Millions of Non Muslims Indians, Pilipino, Europeans, Australians, Americans etc live peacefully and no one gets any report that they are beaten and mistreated and killed. And these people work here for many years, they go for their annual vacations and then they return, why would any one return to “prison willingly”?

(Contd.)

[MUQ]

D. France is “Justified” in Banning BURQAS

17. Now you say that France is “justified” in Banning BURQAS, this is totally unreasonable and illogical.

18. First of all these Muslim women are citizen’s of France and they have “rights” to dress in any way they like.

19. On one level France and Whole Western World boasts about Democracy, freedom of Speech and Expression, Human Rights, Freedom from any Govt. Control on what they write and say (mostly if it be against Islam and Muslims)…. And on another level they want to ban a Muslim’s women right to cover her body.

20. And it is strange that they make law which “restricts a women to cover her body” and keep silent on how much she “opens up”.

21. There is freedom for women to wear Mini Skirts, Micro Skirts (and no skirts even!!), to roam around in Bikini and Bra (and even in nude state, if they like), but they have “no right” to cover their bodies, so that they be safe from “prying eyes” of strange men.

22. And it is “Legal” for nuns to come out in “fully covering their bodies” but illegal for a Muslim women to come out with the same dress!!

23. And what is most “comical” is the silence of so “so called Women Right Activists”!! If it was the question to Ban Mini Skirts and Micro Skirts in France, all these “lioness” would come out on streets and launch a “Nude Protest”.

24. So this ban is totally unreasonable, illogical, against the principle of democracy and freedom of speech and expression and against Human rights. It is strange that how “World intelligentsia” keeps quite.

I think it is all part of Islam and Muslim bashing and “keep quite” when you do not want your name to be dragged into it.

But this decision no doubt is a black chapter in the History of France

E. All religions are not 100 % true (The Little “gem” at the end of your post!!

25. Let me add, all religions might not be 100 % true, but Islam is the truest of all.

And since “Nothing in the world is perfect”, but we still use them and get along, it would be “best for world” if it gets along with Islam and accept it as a working model.

[MUQ]

TEES wrote:

01. MUQ- i know of islam and i know the teachings. the Quran speaks of peace.

02. the bible and the Quran is basically the same when it comes to morals and values.

03. the problem is that people will judge those by their actions. its second nature. because we see the constant fighting in the middle east we will conclude in our minds that islam is responsible.

04. but for others who just scratch a little deeper we see those who exploit islam to give excuse to their own claims and fuel personal agendas. just like those terrorist groups.

05. Christianity had went through the same thing during the Spanish inquisition. or even the crusades. men of evil intention under the guise of religion.

Ans.

I went thru your “sensible post” and here are my short comments on the salient points mentioned in your post.

01. I thank you for saying that Quran speaks of peace. Just see how your views are exactly opposite to those who say that they “do not see anything but hate, violence and terror” in Quran. The difference between you and them is that “You have opened the Quran and they speak from ignorance just copying from what some one else said”

02. Yes basically both Quran and Bible have promoted good moral concepts. But in Bible there are cases of “Prophets of God” engaged in immoral activities. That gives a “Loop hole” to people for doing wrong things and then quoting those prophets of God. In Quran there is no such case. So people have no recourse but to follow Quranic teachings.

03. I agree that people judge other people by their actions and not by what is written in their books.

But when they criticize these people, they should not critiicze their religion and their scripture and their prophets.

We see that in the garb of criticising present day Muslims, their “Real aim” is to launch a “tangent attack on Islam and its teachings” This is not fare.

04. I agree that there are Muslim groups who misuse the name and teachings of Islam and do things which are wrong. But they are criminals and they should be treated like any other criminal.

05. You say Christainity has reformed, my view is that Christianity is “nullified and all its fangs are taken out”…

It has become a mere name and a few rituals… Jews and Atheists have nullified Christianity of all its power and its teachings.

[fadu singh]

MUQ wrote:

B. No one is Interested in Islam?
7. Seeing so many “expert comments” on Islam from every corner, it seems “every one in the world is interested in Islam”!!
8. There are “news and discoveries” about Islam in every newspaper on daily basis. There are panel discussions, expert’s comments and so much Anti Islamic propaganda that it seems that “Only interest for many people in this world” is to criticize Islam!!
9. How could I take your “unsupported words” that no one is interested in Islam.
10. In fact most people are interested in Islam, but are “too lazy” to study it. I only want to provide True Islamic teachings to them (to the best of my ability and knowledge of course)
C. How Saudi Arabia treats Non Muslims:
11. First of all, I did not mention any where Saudi Arabia as a “perfect model of Islam”. I am from India and I live and work in Saudi Arabia. Now let us see how it “tortures and punishes Non Muslims while they stay in Saudi Arabia”.
12. First of all, it is 100 % Muslim country since many generations. There is not a Single Non Muslim as its citizen for past many centuries.
13. Hardly any Non Muslim was interested to come and stay and work in Saudi Arabia, prior to discovery of Oil in late 1930 s. They would have refused to come and live in Saudi Arabia even if you paid them in those days.
14. Saudi Arabian Government does not force any Non Muslim to come and work in their country. People come here after signing a contract which says that have to follow the local customs and laws while they stay in the country. If some one is not conformable with this clause, they can refuse to come.
15. Then Saudi Arabia does not allow building of any other place of worship, because it is a Vanguard of Islam and so no public prayers other than Islam’s are allowed there. People pray inside their homes in which ever way they like.
16. Millions of Non Muslims Indians, Pilipino, Europeans, Australians, Americans etc live peacefully and no one gets any report that they are beaten and mistreated and killed. And these people work here for many years, they go for their annual vacations and then they return, why would any one return to “prison willingly”?
(Contd.)

What makes you think Islam is the truest of all?Since you are the first pious muslim to ever accept(atleast I have heard for the first time) that Islam is not a perfect religion I want to compliment you for that because most of the muslims feel quran is perfect.
Secondly,without researching other religion like buddhism(just an example,not favouring it ),you are crediting your religion.
Thirdly,You said that saudi arabia doesn't mistreat non-muslims(or kaffirs, that's what you call).There are many non-muslim countries that don't treat muslims badly in anyway.
You said people research on Islam lot more.That's only because they want to know what the hell your religion says.Because everything you do comes as an excuse from your religion.
France allows nuns to cover up but restricts muslims to do so.Good point!But you have simply said restriction on non-muslims to have an open practice is a vanguard of islam.So you are being defensive and what your religion to sustain in your country.Why can't you take in a similar way in case of burqa ban?I can say that france is trying to quell the influence of islam .If you have every right to decide the fate of non-muslims in your country,why shouldn't france in case of muslims?IF BURQA BAN IS ILLOGICAL,THEN RESTRICTIONS ON NON-MUSLIMS IN SAUDI IS ALSO CRASS AND SILLY.
But what's interesting is,you have simply gave islam as the reason for curtailing non muslims' right to open practice of religion.

[ocxz]

Henry wrote:

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Palestine could have had a state long ago. But Israel cannot accept a state that is run by Hamas. Fatah not much better bit at least they are open to talks. Palestinians have no state because of Iran. If Iran wanted a state for Palestine then they would recognize Israel, send diplomats to help negotiate a state.
Iran calls the shots, not Palestinians.
Your argument is mute because history shows Israel being open to land for peace deals. Rockets fly, people die.
Glad that there is a ceasefire but ill bet those weapons are still in transit and Israel will regret agreeing to a ceasefire. Sadly.

"Palestine could have had a state long ago."
Fact is they don't.

We are talking about the palestinians in Gaza Strip, run by Hamas, right, from where the rockets fly ?

"But Israel cannot accept a state that is run by Hamas."
Hamas was elected by the palestinians, right ?
And you are wrong, what Hamas rules on now is not a state. It is a sub-state with no legal existence, a ghetto. No legal existence, no representation.

"And is Fatah not much better bit at least they are open to talks. Palestinians have no state because of Iran."

Fatah Hamas, whatever, no one will ever please you. Otherwise we would never have this discussion.
When Fatah was in charge, the gung-ho clique in Israel did everything it could to undermine it rule. it is a half secret that Mossad actually propped up Hamas against Abbas, specially when the peace process negociations were going on. There are always baddies on both sides that have mutual interest in armed conflict, ready to derail peace processes.

Palestinians have no state because most of the land was taken.
May i remind you that recently Iran & other countries,(well those who still have the spine to do it) asked the UN to recognize Palestine, or Gaza, at least obtain some kind of legal existence instead of this subhuman ghetto enclave, and i let you find out who vetoed that move.

[B_Girl_Turco]

TEEstrong wrote:

<quoted text> but this has been tried already. whats the difference now?

strategist are saying it will be at around 2050 years , and probably it will be by Turkiye .

[fadu singh]

B_Girl_Turco wrote:

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strategist are saying it will be at around 2050 years , and probably it will be by Turkiye .

Be precise,it must be your muslim strategist.

[fadu singh]

fadu singh wrote:

<quoted text>What makes you think Islam is the truest of all?Since you are the first pious muslim to ever accept(atleast I have heard for the first time) that Islam is not a perfect religion I want to compliment you for that because most of the muslims feel quran is perfect.
Secondly,without researching other religion like buddhism(just an example,not favouring it ),you are crediting your religion.
Thirdly,You said that saudi arabia doesn't mistreat non-muslims(or kaffirs, that's what you call).There are many non-muslim countries that don't treat muslims badly in anyway.
You said people research on Islam lot more.That's only because they want to know what the hell your religion says.Because everything you do comes as an excuse from your religion.
France allows nuns to cover up but restricts muslims to do so.Good point!But you have simply said restriction on non-muslims to have an open practice is a vanguard of islam.So you are being defensive and what your religion to sustain in your country.Why can't you take in a similar way in case of burqa ban?I can say that france is trying to quell the influence of islam .If you have every right to decide the fate of non-muslims in your country,why shouldn't france in case of muslims?IF BURQA BAN IS ILLOGICAL,THEN RESTRICTIONS ON NON-MUSLIMS IN SAUDI IS ALSO CRASS AND SILLY.
But what's interesting is,you have simply gave islam as the reason for curtailing non muslims' right to open practice of religion.

Correction
Secondly,without researching other religion like buddhism(just an example,not favouring it ),you are crediting your religion 'as the truest'.
So you are being defensive and 'want' your religion to sustain in your country.

[B_Girl_Turco]

fadu singh wrote:

<quoted text>Be precise,it must be your muslim strategist.

from different sources , I dont know what is religion of them . See you later baby :D BOMMMMM! hahahahahhaha :D:D:D:p

[fadu singh]

B_Girl_Turco wrote:

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from different sources , I dont know what is religion of them . See you later baby :D BOMMMMM! hahahahahhaha :D:D:D:p

Ok honey!

[soapmann]

youtube.com/watch... ……Iran wont Israel and will destroy,,Iran will win

[w wman uk]

ocxz wrote:

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First you say islamic
afterwards you say muslims
debunked
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereig...
Lies and xenophobic propaganda faced with factual information.
Enjoy ...

Yor point is prissy expand. Were you the fool that proclaimed that lebinon is a Christian country?

[TEEstrong]

B_Girl_Turco wrote:

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strategist are saying it will be at around 2050 years , and probably it will be by Turkiye .

we dont need anymore wars in the name of religon. but lets see if we make it past dec 21st first lol (the perdicted end of the world)

[B_Girl_Turco]

TEEstrong wrote:

<quoted text>we dont need anymore wars in the name of religon. but lets see if we make it past dec 21st first lol (the perdicted end of the world)

Yeah we dont need , israel and palestin should think on it , they are raising the world's blood pressurre .and a battle begins , would not be good for the WORLD .

[fadu singh]

B_Girl_Turco wrote:

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Yeah we dont need , israel and palestin should think on it , they are raising the world's blood pressurre .and a battle begins , would not be good for the WORLD .

Yeah..yeah.yeah..you are absolutely correct girl!

[TEEstrong]

B_Girl_Turco wrote:

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Yeah we dont need , israel and palestin should think on it , they are raising the world's blood pressurre .and a battle begins , would not be good for the WORLD .

to keep it real i dont think there will ever be peace in that region. i would hope for that someday but there will always be fighting in that region.

[TEEstrong]

MUQ wrote:

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Ans.
I went thru your “sensible post” and here are my short comments on the salient points mentioned in your post.
01. I thank you for saying that Quran speaks of peace. Just see how your views are exactly opposite to those who say that they “do not see anything but hate, violence and terror” in Quran. The difference between you and them is that “You have opened the Quran and they speak from ignorance just copying from what some one else said”
02. Yes basically both Quran and Bible have promoted good moral concepts. But in Bible there are cases of “Prophets of God” engaged in immoral activities. That gives a “Loop hole” to people for doing wrong things and then quoting those prophets of God. In Quran there is no such case. So people have no recourse but to follow Quranic teachings.
03. I agree that people judge other people by their actions and not by what is written in their books.
But when they criticize these people, they should not critiicze their religion and their scripture and their prophets.
We see that in the garb of criticising present day Muslims, their “Real aim” is to launch a “tangent attack on Islam and its teachings” This is not fare.
04. I agree that there are Muslim groups who misuse the name and teachings of Islam and do things which are wrong. But they are criminals and they should be treated like any other criminal.
05. You say Christainity has reformed, my view is that Christianity is “nullified and all its fangs are taken out”…
It has become a mere name and a few rituals… Jews and Atheists have nullified Christianity of all its power and its teachings.

christianity is far from being reformed. to tell you the truth i feel alot has been added on by later people to fit the times. many doctrines that were promoted but never mentioned by jesus or those before him. but nonetheless christianity has made the difference in so many peoples lives. it creates a solid moral background for alot of us.