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“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

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#1 May 28, 2008
Much Ado About Satan
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The Satan of Western Christianity is the ruler of an evil cosmic empire in a constant struggle against the power and will of the christian god. In the imagination of many christians, this divine struggle between good and evil expresses nothing more than the struggles of their belief. There is the christian god and those who side with him and Satan representing everyone else. Often times Satan will even be attached to certain sects of christianity by competing or alternate sects, each claiming to be representing the will of the christian god.

The Image of Satan in the minds of those who have learned of this mythological figure from christian sources comes from the New Testament writings as well as from christian literature such as Dante’s ‘Divine Comedy’ and Milton’s ‘Paradise Lost’. It certainly doesn’t originate from the ancient Hebrew scriptures, because even today in Judaism, Satan or ‘the satan’ is an obedient servant of God, doing God’s will.

“The Hebrew word "Satan" means "Hinderer." To hinder someone means to hold him back, to try to prevent him from doing something. G-d created the Hinderer to give us work to do in this world. Satan is here to make things difficult for us, so we can overcome our evil temptations, and PASS the test. That is the purpose of Satan. Satan is an angel whose purpose has been determined by G-d.”
http://www.beingjewish.com/basics/satan.html

“Judaism does not view the word “Satan” with the same connotation as other religions. Satan in Judaism is not a physical being, ruling the underworld or hell. Rather, in the Torah, the word Satan indicates “accuser,”“hinderer,” or “tempter.” Satan is more an obstacle in one’s way, such as temptation and evil doings, keeping them from completing the responsibilities of tikkun olam (fixing the world). Satan is our evil inclination to veer off the path of righteousness and faithfulness in God.”
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/J...

In Hebrew biblical sources, the term ‘the satan’ describes an adversarial role, not the name of a character. As early as the sixth century BCE Hebrew writers occasionally introduced this character whom they called ‘the satan’. The Hebrew word satan, as shown above means ‘hinderer’ or ‘one who opposes or acts as an adversary’. The satan is sent by God to challenge the Hebrews to do the right thing, to overcome their own evil desires.

Most Hebrew biblical writers attributed oppression and misfortune to disobedience or sin. Some did, on occasion, invoke the satan, who only acted on God’s orders or with his permission. The satan is simply a good employee doing a dirty job, punching a cosmic time clock.

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#2 May 28, 2008
Much Ado About Satan
Post #2
In Numbers 22, the angel of the Lord stands as an obstruction in the road blocking Balaam’s path. In the cosmic chess game, or Clash of the Titans known as the book of Job, the mythological hero, Job, is nothing but a pawn in a much larger cosmic game. It should be noted that Satan, one of the ben ‘elohyim or sons of God, does not bring up Job, YHVH is the first to mention Job’s name with pride. Here Satan personifies the role of the adversary, with the intention of testing Job, for Job’s ultimate benefit.

The ‘historian’ writing 1 Chronicles intends to condemn David’s actions, of taking a census for the purpose of instituting taxation, without condemning this king of the past directly. He attributes the actions of David to the satan. 2 Samuel 24:1-17 attributes these same actions to God himself.

Prior to the writings of the Chronicles, Zechariah depicts the satan inciting division among the people. The wealthy and educated Jews, coming home from exile, return to re-establish their dominant place in society. Those left behind weren’t anxious to welcome back that authority. It is here where the satan appears to begin making a slow transition from a loyal servant of God to a more shady character as he is associated with the less influential remnant of Jews, those suspicious of the one’s returning from exile.

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#3 May 28, 2008
Much Ado About Satan
Post #3
In 168 CE the Seleucid king Antiochus Epiphanes, suspecting resistance from the Jews, became determined to wipe out their tribal culture. He outlawed circumcision along with the study and observance of Torah, under the penalty of death. He desecrated the Jewish Temple and rededicated it to Zues.

Historian Victor Tcherikover, in “Hellenistic Civilization” says that many of the upper class of the Jews were interested in the Hellenistic society of Antiochus. By foregoing their tribal ways and becoming a Greek city, they could be self-governing, strike their own coins and take advantage of Greek commerce and connections.

The Jewish tradesmen, artisans and farmers saw those Jews as traitors both to God and to Israel. Thus began the Maccabean Revolt which eventually led to the ousting of the Greeks and a short-lived period of Jewish self-rule. The subsequent re-dedication of the Temple is still celebrated by Jews today as Hanukkah.

The Hasmonean family gained control of the priesthood and a few generations later, according to Tcherikover, the Pharisees, backed by the tradesmen and farmers challenged the Hasmoneans who had, in their eyes, once again abandoned Israel’s traditional ways. With two diametrically opposed sects of Judaism, both of these could not possibly be obedient to God. These dissidents began visualizing their opponents as not enemies from afar, but from within, an intimate enemy. They denounced their opponents and accused them of being seduced by the satan, or Satan and claimed that they had become an obstruction to doing God’s will.

During this time, the ‘Book of the Watchers”, later included in the “First Book of Enoch” begins to tell stories of fallen angels and their leader Semihazah. An alternate writing tells of Azazel who spurned violence, greed and lust. These stories reflected the socio-political climate of the time more than they did any true cosmic rebellion.

Jubilees, written around 160 BCE, urge Jews to separate themselves from gentile ways and associates their own intimate enemies with Mastema, Satan or Belial. It employs the fall of the angels as a cipher for those who have abandoned the ways of God, according to the author’s view, of course.

The more radical apocalyptic separatists, the Essenes, regularly relayed the strife between themselves and those who opposed them as a divine struggle. They claimed that the dark forces had taken over God’s people. In their apocalyptic writings, they would side with God while those who had been taken over by these evil forces who would wage war against them, and lose, giving them the responsibility of priesthood. One of the writings found at Qumran is the “Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness”. They considered themselves to be the Sons of Light, of course.

With various sectarian beliefs, it wasn’t any longer simply enough to be Jewish, one must also now be a member of the right sect. This ‘demonization’ of one’s most intimate enemies, one’s fellow Jew was carried right through into the first century CE.

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#4 May 28, 2008
Much Ado About Satan
Post #4-final
This demonization continued through the gospels against the scribes, the Pharisees, the elders and ultimately the Jews themselves in GoJohn. Satan was then attached by early christians to the pagans and later to the ‘heretics.

At some time around the second century BCE, the satan or Satan, went from being an obedient servant of God performed his created function, and was transformed into Satan, the Prince of Darkness, the arch-nemesis of God himself.

Once again, in Judaism even today, the satan or Satan is an obedient servant of God, no different than the angel of death, a divine being with an intended purpose. It’s a dirty job, one that Mike Rowe would certainly include in his television show, but one that is created and required by God to facilitate the conquest of one’s own evil inclination.

Just as Satan was attached to those who opposed sects of Judaism and then those who opposed Christianity, and later still against those who opposed Islam, he continues to be, and will continue to be used to provide an enemy for those who claim to speak for God.

Yet he is nothing more than a fignewton of the imagination.

Ain't that a peach?
dink

United States

#5 May 28, 2008
How can he be a fignewton AND a peach?
Somethings not right here.

“Over The Mountains of the moon”

Since: Apr 08

Down the vally of the Shadow

#6 May 28, 2008
According to Lavey:

The Book of Lucifer: The Enlightenment directly follows The Book of Satan. After the indignant intonation of The Book of Satan, The Book of Lucifer seeks to logically expound the philosophy and dogma of Satanism. The Book of Lucifer is divided into twelve essays, each of them a vital component of LaVey's architecture of Satanism. The following are brief synopses of each of these essays:

I.- Wanted!- God - Dead or Alive

This short essay provides an essentially atheistic approach to Satanism, and indicts Judeo-Christian religion and prayer as hypocritical and unrealistic. Further, it clarifies the Satanic approach to the question of God:

...the Satanist simply accepts the definition which suits him best. Man has always created his gods, rather than his gods creating him. To the Satanist "God"...is seen as the balancing force in nature, and not as being concerned with suffering.[2]

The passage from which this is taken, when viewed as a whole, suggests that "God" is a human concept, a means of explaining that which men have been unable to explain either through ignorance or through philosophical inability to grasp the nature of reality. This passage also opens up the common Satanic maxim, "I am my own god", a statement of self-aggrandizement, viewed as a positive trait by Satanists.
Writing in Paradise

Honolulu, HI

#7 May 28, 2008
dink wrote:
How can he be a fignewton AND a peach?
Somethings not right here.
Maybe he's a peach newton.
dink

United States

#8 May 28, 2008
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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Maybe he's a peach newton.
I've had fig newtons, strawberry newtons and raspberry newtons. Don't believe peach newtons exist. I believe X has given satan a flavor that history does not support. That sort of thing just burns my britches.
Where's Wayne?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

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#9 May 28, 2008
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
Much Ado About Satan
Post #4-final
This demonization continued through the gospels against the scribes, the Pharisees, the elders and ultimately the Jews themselves in GoJohn. Satan was then attached by early christians to the pagans and later to the ‘heretics.
At some time around the second century BCE, the satan or Satan, went from being an obedient servant of God performed his created function, and was transformed into Satan, the Prince of Darkness, the arch-nemesis of God himself.
Once again, in Judaism even today, the satan or Satan is an obedient servant of God, no different than the angel of death, a divine being with an intended purpose. It’s a dirty job, one that Mike Rowe would certainly include in his television show, but one that is created and required by God to facilitate the conquest of one’s own evil inclination.
Just as Satan was attached to those who opposed sects of Judaism and then those who opposed Christianity, and later still against those who opposed Islam, he continues to be, and will continue to be used to provide an enemy for those who claim to speak for God.
Yet he is nothing more than a fignewton of the imagination.
Ain't that a peach?
Excellent.

Thus yet another Jewish concept completely misconstrued and reconfigured by the Christians. Down to the present day, this satan has become a mythological being equivalent in contemporary power to God himself, at least "for the time being." This powerful God is shown at every turn to be thwarted by this satan, except in some future to be played out. Yet the future continues to be in the future.

The satan figure serves very effectively in Christian-speak to separate Us from them - which is about what the whole belief set boils down to for many evangelicals. What good is one going to heaven - a concept few can elaborate with any certainty, and even less substantiation - if it's not illuminated by contrast to another going to an eternal hell? Thus for many, if they could be honest, heaven consists mostly of - not-hell.

“Over The Mountains of the moon”

Since: Apr 08

Down the vally of the Shadow

#10 May 28, 2008
Who is doing the Judge icons? I post from the satanic bible and get a funny and all of X's get...well... X'ed.

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

Oswego, NY

#11 May 28, 2008
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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Maybe he's a peach newton.
seen apple and fig newtons - there are peach ones too? yum.

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

Oswego, NY

#12 May 28, 2008
NorCal88 wrote:
Who is doing the Judge icons? I post from the satanic bible and get a funny and all of X's get...well... X'ed.
I added the brilliant and interesting ones - X is a good researcher.

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

Oswego, NY

#13 May 28, 2008
dink wrote:
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I've had fig newtons, strawberry newtons and raspberry newtons. Don't believe peach newtons exist. I believe X has given satan a flavor that history does not support. That sort of thing just burns my britches.
Where's Wayne?
Why you calling the Son of Satan?
dink

United States

#14 May 28, 2008
Saranacotter wrote:
<quoted text>Why you calling the Son of Satan?
Exactly.
Who would know better if satan is a peach newton than Wayne?

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

Oswego, NY

#15 May 28, 2008
dink wrote:
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Exactly.
Who would know better if satan is a peach newton than Wayne?
point to Dink.

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#16 May 28, 2008
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
Much Ado About Satan
Post #4-final
This demonization continued through the gospels against the scribes, the Pharisees, the elders and ultimately the Jews themselves in GoJohn. Satan was then attached by early christians to the pagans and later to the ‘heretics.
At some time around the second century BCE, the satan or Satan, went from being an obedient servant of God performed his created function, and was transformed into Satan, the Prince of Darkness, the arch-nemesis of God himself.
Once again, in Judaism even today, the satan or Satan is an obedient servant of God, no different than the angel of death, a divine being with an intended purpose. It’s a dirty job, one that Mike Rowe would certainly include in his television show, but one that is created and required by God to facilitate the conquest of one’s own evil inclination.
Just as Satan was attached to those who opposed sects of Judaism and then those who opposed Christianity, and later still against those who opposed Islam, he continues to be, and will continue to be used to provide an enemy for those who claim to speak for God.
Yet he is nothing more than a fignewton of the imagination.
Ain't that a peach?
Interesting X, did you google all of that?...

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

Oswego, NY

#17 May 28, 2008
Cherokee wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting X, did you google all of that?...
It was definitely well researched.

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

Oswego, NY

#18 May 28, 2008
Who has been judging most of these posts with kisses? That means racy????
Writing in Paradise

Honolulu, HI

#19 May 28, 2008
Saranacotter wrote:
Who has been judging most of these posts with kisses? That means racy????
Sounds like Andet. He has a crush on X.

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

Oswego, NY

#20 May 28, 2008
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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Sounds like Andet. He has a crush on X.
I got one too, CUT IT OUT Andet... lol.
Amusing thing at the Convention Banquet. there was a buxom young babe behind me. During the clean time countdown(you stand up when your clean time is announced) they played music and this babe danced provocatively. She was dancing and suddenly i noticed her wrists, ankles and Adam's apple. I am sure that the babe was a guy. "Dude looks like a Lady" from Aerosmith played in my brain. Could it have been Andet - don't know.

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