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Charlie Sheen wrote:
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None of them collapsed at free-fall, get with the times, the term is now near freefall.
Is that something like you are nearly ignorant and naive?

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Feb 19, 2013
 
NIST Admits Total Collapse Of Twin Towers Unexplainable
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2...

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As usual if you can't refute the evidence presented, first dismiss the source then ridicule the presenter with an Ad Hominem attack.
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Description of Ad Hominem
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Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."
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An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
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Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim).
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Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).
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This type of "argument" has the following form:
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Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
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The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
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These are acts of desperation undertaken by the bwunking believers on this forum (you know who you are, mu shu, cheese, ratdick, pissface, golden shower, say the unthinkable) in their feeble attempts to dissuade searchers for truth about 9/11 from presenting evidence overlooked by government sponsored so-called investigations like the NIST report, the 9/11 Commission report, and the lying FDNY, who say there were no explosions.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Funny It Never Attacked Anyone Huh Eh !
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#1934
Feb 19, 2013
 
Forgotten faith wrote:
The jet fuel would have all been consumed in the initial explosion
when the plane hit a building, and it doesn't just "hang around",
to burn for 56 minutes.
STRAWMAN, No one ever blamed the collapse on burning jet fuel, it just acted to light other flammables in the building on fire.

It's best to know your subject matter before trying to address it.
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Timesten wrote:
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Is that something like you are nearly ignorant and naive?
Says the unemployed truck driver who has accomplished nothing in life and somehow has discovered fossil fuels are a myth created by the Jews!
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Timesten wrote:
NIST Admits Total Collapse Of Twin Towers Unexplainable
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2...
LMFAO! MOOBS,
From your link!
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In a recent letter (PDF link) to 9/11 victim's family representatives Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine, NIST states, "We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse."
A 10,000 page scientific study only offers theories as to how the "collapse initiation" proceeded and fails to address how it was possible for part of a WTC structure to fall through the path of most resistance at freefall speed, completely violating the accepted laws of physics.
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Not free-fall, collapse initiation is all that is need to be explained not what object was the first to hit the lobby during the collapse.
But such is Alex Jones BS, The Alex Jones show, Keeping adult males virgins for 20 years.

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#1937
Feb 19, 2013
 
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
As usual if you can't refute the evidence presented, first dismiss the source then ridicule the presenter with an Ad Hominem attack.
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Description of Ad Hominem
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Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."
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An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
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Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim).
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Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).
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This type of "argument" has the following form:
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Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
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The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
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These are acts of desperation undertaken by the bwunking believers on this forum (you know who you are, mu shu, cheese, ratdick, pissface, golden shower, say the unthinkable) in their feeble attempts to dissuade searchers for truth about 9/11 from presenting evidence overlooked by government sponsored so-called investigations like the NIST report, the 9/11 Commission report, and the lying FDNY, who say there were no explosions.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Funny It Never Attacked Anyone Huh Eh !
As usual, you pretend the garbage you mindlessly copy and paste is evidence when the reality is it all amounts to someone else's opinion.

Oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots glop!

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#1938
Feb 19, 2013
 
Porkpie Hat wrote:
"The massive six-alarm blaze caused by a construction accident, melted steel girders"

http://news.google.com/newspapers...

"Fire broke out at a paint warehouse on the city's north side turning the building into a pile of melted steel girders"

http://news.google.com/newspapers...

"A fire of an unknown origin melted steel beams and kept about 100 firemen busy most of Saturday morning"

http://news.google.com/newspapers...

" A raging fire fed by magnesium night illumination flares swept ... thick, choking smoke and flames so hot that they melted steel girders"

http://news.google.com/newspapers...

" One of them said flames reached nearly 60 feet high and melted steel frames"

http://news.google.com/newspapers...

" Fire- swept through the Haunted Castle attraction at the Six Flags ... The search through the melted steel and charred wood continued"

http://news.google.com/newspapers...

" Despite the semitrailer truck crashing into an irrigation canal and catching fire to the point it became a twisted ball of melted steel, the driver was able to escape serious injury, Butler said."

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl...

" Millo said the fire was so intense it melted steel roof beams. Firefighters from Echo Hose, Pine Rock and Huntington fire companies fought the blaze."

http://www.firefightingnews.com/article.cfm...

" Now, much of the place is reduced to piles of charred property and melted steel beams.
More than 400 people lived at Grandview Palace."

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Former-Browns-...

That's a lot of inside jobbity jobs!
So I take it we're back to ignoring the fact that reports of molten steel are irrelevant?

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How The NIST Report Failed To Adequately Investigate 9/11
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Or The Fox Is Guarding The hen-house Here Folks
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“Nothing has such power to broaden the mind as the ability to investigate systematically and truly all that comes under thy observation in life.” Marcus Aurelius Antoninus
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Any serious investigation into the reasons why the Twin Towers were completely destroyed would attempt to find out why the unheated and undamaged still strong steel frames below the impact and fire areas lost their strength and gave way.
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But NIST deliberately decided not to do this. NIST excluded – quite systematically and based on the explicit argument that only the few columns with a known asbuilt location in the impact and fire areas were of interest for the investigation – the columns from the parts that failed and gave way so unexpectedly, i.e., the columns with as-built locations below the impact and fire areas, from being adequately examined for their damage and failure modes.
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Scientists and engineers in relevant fields should know that those parts of the structure that gave way need to be included in the investigation of a building failure.
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There are many indications that NIST’s scientists and engineers have been actually well aware that the failure of the load bearing structures of the Twin Towers cannot be investigated by focusing exclusively on the collection of data concerning the impact and fire areas.
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For example, NIST developed a "structural database" that included the data for the structural members from bottom to top (and not just for the structural members in the impact and fire areas).
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They developed "global structural models" for both Towers that stretched over their full heights (based on the named structural database, blueprints and other documents). And they analyzed the performance of the undamaged structures (using its global structural models) for three loading cases, and checked the demand/capacity ratio for the structural components.
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NIST examined (as part of the same “Project 3: "Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel,” which systematically excluded steel from outside the impact and fire areas from being adequately examined) samples of all steel qualities used throughout the buildings to check if they complied with the demanded quality standards.
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NIST cannot justify the exclusion of the steel from being adequately examined for damage and failure modes by its published result of the investigation, i.e., the “how the point of collapse initiation was reached” models and the few lines with suggestions why “global collapse ensued.” The named models and suggestions were presented by NIST as results of the investigation, so they should not have influenced decisions at the beginning of the investigation.
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Examining the evidence and collecting data based on the evidence was a task that NIST needed to perform before any hypotheses were formulated.
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But NIST excluded identified core columns and perimeter columns that were built-in outside the impact and fire areas, and columns with an unknown as-built location, from being adequately examined for their damage and failure modes at the very beginning of the investigation.
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Thus, by a process of circular reasoning NIST avoided an adequate analysis of the physical evidence of the steel for data that might have answered the question why the strong steel frames below the impact and fire areas gave way as completely and quickly as they did; by proceeding on the basis of a preconceived premise, NIST compromised the validity of the investigation.
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http://www.ae911truth.org/documents/How_NIST_...
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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That’s Still Funny Joke After All These Years

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#1940
Feb 19, 2013
 
Timesten wrote:
<quoted text>Is that something like you are nearly ignorant and naive?
Can you address what Sheen said vulgar-jinn fontaini, or is obfuscation is only comeback?

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Feb 19, 2013
 
YellowPissreality wrote:
the tallest building ever brought down by a CD was the 32 story Land Mark Tower, in Ft Worth, Texas it took demo crews 4 MONTHS to prep the building STUPID
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I said I FOUND the article.
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#1942
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Charlie Sheen wrote:
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STRAWMAN, No one ever blamed the collapse on burning jet fuel, it just acted to light other flammables in the building on fire.
It's best to know your subject matter before trying to address it.
First off I clearly didn't write that.... Being why I said 'I found I this...'

Secondly it talked not just about the jet fuel theory but also how and why the buildings seemingly went down they way they did and how building 7 came to also suffer the same fate.

It talked about free-fall/freefall/ free fall ( which ever appeases you) and how concrete cant or shouldn't turn to dust as the way it had....

And questions how at ground zero the temp of the crap that was burning a week later...

So yes I found it to be interesting.

And to go back through this thread some have mentioned the jet fuel as being a possible cause of the...

Dunh Dunh duhhhhn.... Steel .... Oh oh wait for it, here comes everyone's favourite word..... Melted!!!!!

No harm in that.

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#1943
Feb 19, 2013
 
Porkpie Hat wrote:
"The massive six-alarm blaze caused by a construction accident, melted steel girders"
http://news.google.com/newspapers...
"Fire broke out at a paint warehouse on the city's north side turning the building into a pile of melted steel girders"
http://news.google.com/newspapers...
"A fire of an unknown origin melted steel beams and kept about 100 firemen busy most of Saturday morning"
http://news.google.com/newspapers...
" A raging fire fed by magnesium night illumination flares swept ... thick, choking smoke and flames so hot that they melted steel girders"
http://news.google.com/newspapers...
" One of them said flames reached nearly 60 feet high and melted steel frames"
http://news.google.com/newspapers...
" Fire- swept through the Haunted Castle attraction at the Six Flags ... The search through the melted steel and charred wood continued"
http://news.google.com/newspapers...
" Despite the semitrailer truck crashing into an irrigation canal and catching fire to the point it became a twisted ball of melted steel, the driver was able to escape serious injury, Butler said."
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl...
" Millo said the fire was so intense it melted steel roof beams. Firefighters from Echo Hose, Pine Rock and Huntington fire companies fought the blaze."
http://www.firefightingnews.com/article.cfm...
" Now, much of the place is reduced to piles of charred property and melted steel beams.
More than 400 people lived at Grandview Palace."
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Former-Browns-...
That's a lot of inside jobbity jobs!
That is a lot of inside jobbity jobs!!

But doesn't that also say that the steel at the site could have also been melted?

From what others have bit my head off with here have said is....

With a snotty tone 'the steel never melted it was only weakened enough to lose its support.....'

So how could all of your wonderful examples of fires that melted steel also not point towards the direction that it's very possible that happened with the twins???

Juuuuust asking!!
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Forgotten faith wrote:
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It talked about free-fall/freefall/ free fall ( which ever appeases you) and how concrete cant or shouldn't turn to dust as the way it had....
If one can hit it with a sledge hammer and turn it into dust the pounding of 110 stories of floor into floor should give you a clue.

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Charlie Sheen wrote:
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If one can hit it with a sledge hammer and turn it into dust the pounding of 110 stories of floor into floor should give you a clue.
No doubt there.
But if one tries to hit a chunk of concrete and do a pop fly in mid air I dont see it turning into dust.

It would have to have an opposing force would it not?

The crap at the bottom I can see this happening to. But I don't get how this would happen by it falling on top of itself while still in midair.

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Feb 19, 2013
 
I don't have any answers only 6 million questions.....

So someone explain this please.

The speed of both planes was opposed enough by the buildings structure that they did not decapitate the buildings they just plunged into the sides and stayed like that...!

Granted the materials of a plane are a lot more flimsy than steel and concrete but my question is this...

Clearly going through the side of the building there is less resistance. Right?
So we've got this mass stuck snug into the building. Putting a lot more downward pressure on the structure.

But wouldn't it take a gazzillion more pounds of pressure for that building to be compressed straight down?

It one was one incident and than it was basically stationary.

How would it cause a collapse?

If you stack some blocks karate chop the top ones off and leave your hand ontop of the remaining stack... The stack isnt going to go down unless you apply more pressure and even with that the stack would shoot out to one side.
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#1947
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Forgotten faith wrote:
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No doubt there.
But if one tries to hit a chunk of concrete and do a pop fly in mid air I dont see it turning into dust.
It would have to have an opposing force would it not?
The crap at the bottom I can see this happening to. But I don't get how this would happen by it falling on top of itself while still in midair.
Here, what do you think will happen next? There was no dust till things started slamming together.

http://www.debunking911.com/sag.ht1.jpg

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#1948
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Charlie Sheen wrote:
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Here, what do you think will happen next? There was no dust till things started slamming together.
http://www.debunking911.com/sag.ht1.jpg
So within an hour the sagging became apparent?!

Everything began to bow. And obviously start to collapse once weakened enough.

But it seems the most sagging occurred where the fire was most visible.

Of course that's only viewed from the outside.
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Forgotten faith wrote:
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So within an hour the sagging became apparent?!
Everything began to bow. And obviously start to collapse once weakened enough.
But it seems the most sagging occurred where the fire was most visible.
Of course that's only viewed from the outside.
More or less.

You can see the dust IS coming from only the area where the unsupported upper is hitting the still intact lower as the truss hats 5/8 inch bolts start to snap.

http://www.debunking911.com/pivot.jpg

Building bowing snapping 5/8 bolts that support the floors.

http://www.debunking911.com/pullin2.jpg

According to Shyam Sunder, the concave bowing of the steel was seen on the sides of the towers opposite where the planes hit them. At 10:06 a.m. that morning, an officer in a police helicopter reported that ``it's not going to take long before the north tower comes down.'' This was 20 minutes before it collapsed. In another radio transmission at 10:21 a.m., the officer said he saw buckling in the north tower's southern face, Shyam Sunder said."

Scientists investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 collapse of the twin towers said, "the World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse.

"In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m." New York Daily News reporter Paul Shin wrote in his June 19th, 2004 article 9/11 cops saw collapse coming.

"Federal engineering investigators studying the destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers on Sept. 11 said New York Police Department aviation units reported an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed, a signal they were about to fall." - NYC Police Saw Sign of Tower Collapse, Study Says

http://www.representativepress.org/BowingDebu...

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