Was 911 an Inside Job

Was 911 an Inside Job

Created by inquiring minds on Jan 4, 2013

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“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#1829 Feb 18, 2013
In addition, the exclusion from adequate examination of columns with unknown as-built locations, and of columns from above the impact and fire areas cannot be justified.
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Any column could hold conclusive evidence; one
cannot determine that a piece does not yield any useful clues before it has been adequately examined.18
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Several statements by NIST, for example,“… only the first group of samples were analyzed”(paragraph “4.1.3 Other Identified Core Columns”,
see above),“… no further analysis was conducted”(paragraph “4.1.4
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Unidentified Core Columns”, see above), or “While these damage features were observed and recorded for each individual [perimeter] column, no effort
was made to quantify the frequency with which the modes occurred for each column, particularly for Type 1 and Type 2 modes.”(paragraph “3.2.1 Types
of Failure Modes”, see above) show that the exclusion of steel from being adequately examined is not just a reporting problem in the published final report but a problem of NIST’s study design..
The named steel was indeed not adequately examined, but excluded from the very beginning.
NIST’s published report even contains a systematic examination of the damage and failure modes of a certain group of parts, but in line with its
premise NIST chose floor truss connectors to demonstrate its ability to conduct a systematic analysis of damage and failure modes, i.e., NIST
examined in a much more adequate manner a group of parts that were attached to the main load bearing structural components, but failed to examine
the main load bearing components themselves in an adequate manner.
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The damage and failure modes of any floor truss connector from identified panels are documented with photographs; even for parts from stories below the impact and fire areas.
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But most of the columns are featured in NIST’s report18
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For example, if a box-column would show evidence that incendiaries or explosives severed the bolts that connected it with the column below, it would not matter if the as-built location of this column is unknown; it would constitute nevertheless relevant evidence as single pieces only in tables that list their as-built location, size, and
sometimes also the steel quality used.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Still Very Funny Joke On America Huh Eh !
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#1830 Feb 18, 2013
Timesten wrote:
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This paper was thoroughly peer-reviewed with several pages of tough comments that required of our team MONTHS of additional experiments and studies. It was the toughest peer-review I've ever had, including THREE papers for which I was first author in NATURE
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/04/stev...
MOONS, Link us to there peer reviews so we can count the liberal arts majors.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#1831 Feb 18, 2013
I smell Farts wrote:
So is that noraml...?
Hon, just because you so desperately want to believe in this evil higher power that you believe to be to blame for whatever you believe them to be to blame for, doesn't mean we have to play along. If you really want to believe that the explosion of a nearly fully fueled jumbo jet, pretty much within the confines of a building and the resulting damage and fire from such an event, couldn't possibly result in the eventual collapse of said building without outside help, you go right ahead, but convincing us that you have the faintest idea as to what you are talking about and that we should take these illogical leaps of faith with you, not so much.
I smell Farts

Canada

#1832 Feb 18, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
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LMAO! You are giving MOOBS and obtuse run for the money, were they the same building or three distinct ones?
That's what I'm asking!!!!!!
Dang it!!!
Timesten

Pittsfield, MA

#1833 Feb 18, 2013
Where are the fires that brought down WTC 7's inner core
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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Other bldgs that were burning worse did not collapse.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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You are telling me that you believe that WTC 7 collapsed within itself because of fire?

You people need to wake up and clean your bifocals.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#1834 Feb 18, 2013
I smell Farts wrote:
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I clearly don't understand this statement....
You said fire and melting steel are the common links to how these 3 identical collapses.
So they do Infact share a common denominator. And werent the twins erected( hahah erected) by the same means by the same 16 year old kids at roughly the same time. Hence their cute name 'The Twins'.... So that's another common thing they share?
KaBOOOba
You example is flawed, that is like saying if I toss a penny in the air ten times and it comes up heads every time when someone else tosses a differnt penny in the air I have somehow shifted their odds from a 50% chance of coming up heads.

You are using one deck of cards three times and altering it every time (thus changing odds) the odds of one building collapse does not alter the odds of another.

But you are a twoofer, logic and knowledge are not your strong points.
I smell Farts

Canada

#1835 Feb 18, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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I guess building fires don't get hot in your fantasy land. Do you know what carpets, office patricians computers, copiers, printers and many other things found in offices are made of? Petroleum products which burn very well after reaching the right flash point. So much for your silly opinion.
Well that was a dumb an very Not So Helpful statement...

There was no theory there... It was a nutshell 'question' on the events. Making it NOT A THEORY but more of a question.

And the 'fire' part was only part of the story in question...

You... Don't.... Read very well do you????

^ that's a question btw hence the 'question marks' >????? These thingys

Ssshhhh

Making some s'mores.

KakaBooomya

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#1836 Feb 18, 2013
Indeed, NIST excluded not only most of its “catalogued” core columns and perimeter panels from being adequately examined, it excluded the
majority of the recovered WTC steel pieces even from being “catalogued” for the investigation.
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Of the large number of structural steel members collected by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ), located in hangar 17 at JFK airport, only 6 whole pieces, and portions of a further 6 pieces were shipped to NIST’s location in Gaithersburg and “catalogued” for NIST’s WTC investigation.
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NIST does not attempt to justify the exclusion of
so many pieces of saved WTC steel from its investigation with any arguments, circular or not, but reports only that “NIST personnel visited the hangar and identified 12 additional pieces that were considered important to its Investigation..
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Six of these samples were moved whole to the Gaithersburg campus. The remaining pieces had portions removed and sent to NIST …”19
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The reader is left to conclude that NIST’s personnel considered most of the steel stored in hangar 17 as not being important for the investigation. 20
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No 19 Quoted from NIST NCSTAR 1-3B, page 4 (PDF-page 32). The term “additional” refers to the steel pieces already catalogued by NIST. The term “[t]he remaining pieces” refers to the remaining six pieces, see NIST NCSTAR 1-3, page 28 (PDF-page 76). 20
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The visit to hangar 17 cannot have involved an adequate examination. There is no mention in the NIST report of any such examination, nor of any results.
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In addition, NIST states repeatedly in NIST NCSTAR 1-3, in respect to three perimeter panels that had portions removed, that they were not fully analyzed, and, in another paragraph, that two were not fully analyzed, and one not at all.
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See one quote/screenshot from NIST NCSTAR 1-3C, blue highlights added. Note that these “not fully” and “not at all” analyzed panels were panels that NIST at least “catalogued.” 12 evidentiary justification is given why NIST’s personnel “considered” the bulk of the steel as not important.
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The photographs below show recovered WTC steel, held in hangar 17 at JFK airport.
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All the steel pieces on these photographs, except the 6 pieces from which NIST had portions removed, were not “catalogued” by NIST21 and were thus de facto excluded from NIST’s WTC investigation.
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The Fox Is Guarding The Hen House Again.
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http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-...
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ah ah
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Getting Funnier All The Time Folks Huh Eh !
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#1837 Feb 18, 2013
I smell Farts wrote:
Melts the steel collapsing the top floors and than the weight of that causes the rest of the building to pancake down on top of itself.
STRAWMAN, No one claims it melted.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#1838 Feb 18, 2013
Timesten wrote:
Where are the fires that brought down WTC 7's inner core
Did not need one, the theory is on one beam.

BUT HERE ARE YOUR FIRES MOOBS, EVER FIND A LINK TO THAT PEER REVIEW MOOBS?

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/WTC7_Sm...

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/WTC7_Sm...

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_imag...

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_imag...

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_imag...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#1839 Feb 18, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Indeed, NIST excluded not only most of its “catalogued” core columns and perimeter panels from being adequately examined, it excluded the
majority of the recovered WTC steel pieces even from being “catalogued” for the investigation.
Yea, Oddly if it was intact and basically undamaged its a very fair assumption it did not fail.
I smell Farts

Canada

#1840 Feb 18, 2013
You people are CRAZY....!!!

THIS IS A QUESTION MARK>>> ?????????

Making the sentence a question... A ponder of curiosity!!!!!!

If I say 'you are an idiot.'. That would be an opiniated statement which I would believe in

If I say 'you are an idiot?'' That would make it a question leaving it opened ended and awaiting for YOUR input.

Wow.

Jumpy jumpy.

And only the ones who feel the event Is What It Is....? Jump.

And start name calling....'sweetie' my grandma doesn't even use such a lameo nameo.

Any fn who

I really am just an fn guy who thought I'd get a little lighty light shed on a few questions....

Thought this could be an alright place to ask since there's sooOOooO many experts on here.

Meah... WTF did I know.

KaCOOCOO. KaBOOOOMba

Psssstttt

????????? < question marks!!!!!!
rider

Gwinn, MI

#1841 Feb 18, 2013
In 1981, a scandal arose after the police discovery of Licio Gelli's secret quasi-Masonic lodge Propaganda 2 (P2), which aimed to change the Italian political system to a more authoritarian regime. The list of people involved in P2 included members of the secret services and some prominent characters from political arena, business, military and media. Silvio Berlusconi, who was then just starting to gain popularity as the founder and owner of "Canale 5" TV channel, was listed as a member of P2.[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berluscon... Propaganda Due (Italian pronunciation:[propa&#712; &#609;anda &#712;du&#720;e]), or P2, was a Masonic lodge operating under the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy from 1945 to 1976 (when its charter was withdrawn), and a pseudo-Masonic, "black", or "covert" lodge operating illegally (in contravention of Article 18 of the Constitution of Italy banning secret associations) from 1976 to 1981. During the years that the lodge was headed by Licio Gelli, P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the collapse of the Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano, the murders of journalist Mino Pecorelli and banker Roberto Calvi, and corruption cases within the nationwide bribe scandal Tangentopoli. P2 came to light through the investigations into the collapse of Michele Sindona's financial empire.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due The role of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in sponsoring Gladio and the extent of its activities during the Cold War era, and its relationship to right-wing terrorist attacks perpetrated in Italy during the "Years of Lead" (late 1960s to early 1980s) and other similar clandestine operations is the subject of ongoing debate and investigation but never proved. Switzerland and Belgium have had parliamentary inquiries into the matter.[3]
CIA director Allen Dulles was one of the key people in instituting Operation Gladio, and most of Gladio’s operations were financed by the CIA.[citation needed] The anti-communist networks, which were present in all of Europe, including in neutral countries like Sweden and Switzerland, were partly funded by the CIA.[6] Some went as far as claiming that Christian Democrat (Democrazia Cristiana) leader Aldo Moro, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#1842 Feb 18, 2013
I smell Farts wrote:
And start name calling....'sweetie' my grandma doesn't even use such a lameo nameo.< question marks!!!!!!
Does she use "lameo nameo"?
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#1843 Feb 18, 2013
rider wrote:
Propaganda Due (Italian pronunciation:[propa&#712; &#609;anda &#712;du&#720;e]), or P2,
Damn, That was just was I was thinking, then the s'rooms wore off!
I smell Farts

Canada

#1844 Feb 18, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
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STRAWMAN, No one claims it melted.
Huh.

But if something is weakened by heat is it not 'melting'??

That's what heat does isnt it? When a material hits it's melting point it turns to liquid?

KaSPLAT... BOOOM

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#1845 Feb 18, 2013
Go cheese!

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#1846 Feb 18, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
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Damn, That was just was I was thinking, then the s'rooms wore off!
cheese
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Eat some more and keep your experience alive.
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Now I know where you get your ridiculous ideas and scathing retorts.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha h
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That's A Good Little cheese Huh eh !
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#1847 Feb 18, 2013
I smell Farts wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh.
But if something is weakened by heat is it not 'melting'??
Ahh, no, weakening and turning to liquid are two very different things, a basic dictionary may aid you on your journey.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#1849 Feb 18, 2013
NetNanny Breach! NetNanny Breach!
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
cheese
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Eat some more and keep your experience alive.
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Now I know where you get your ridiculous ideas and scathing retorts.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha h
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That's A Good Little cheese Huh eh !

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