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Agreed... and they lied about everything...
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
Yet you can't name one thing...

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Sure...Ask me.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TIPDSL9...
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Refute it P-pie
Refute your ignorance vulgar-tommy?

I have, so has a geologist...so have many others.

Eco systems cover from a few square miles to millions (and lif lives and dies there for millions of years). Claiming all life had to go die in the exact same spot in order for the oil reservoirs we know today to exist is nothing more than your failure of logic and has no connection to reality.

There, I did it again and once again you'll ignore simple logic.

It's what you always do wendy.
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Show how they failed to follow the scientific method Ignorance...and while you're at it, practice what you preach and show twoofs data that proves symmetry, free fall and molten steel prove the use of explosives and/or incendiaries.
Oh right, your charlatan masters never included that with the Internet memes you chant.
Because,
[Your] Ignorance is [Your] Bliss,
you just ignore your own obvious hypocrisy.
The videos show symmetry and free fall.

NIST ignored the implications of this (i.e. simultaneous and complete destruction of many steel columns), ignored the vast majority of actual physical evidence (i.e. over 99.5% of the steel and 100% of residues), ignored a great deal of witness testimony, video and photographic evidence, ignored the results of their own tests (i.e. the floor models that didn't fail, the very limited metallurgical tests that found no evidence of high steel temperatures), and essentially worked very hard to create a model that failed to reproduce their predetermined goal.

All of which is unscientific.

But you already knew that, didn't ya, stooge-boy?

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<quoted text>You'd almost think you'd be smart enough to not repeat lies and mistruths....particularly when those lies you told are still available for quotation.
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http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...
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http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...
Here's a couple of the news items I posted,
http://news.google.com/newspapers...
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...
That was among many others that prove reports of molten steel in fires is quite common. It's simply scientifically uninteresting.
I know you were never given a meme to mindlessly repeat in this situation, so falling back on your tired old lies is really all you have...poor lil fella!
And free fall has been discussed to death and explained. Your inability to carry the conversation beyond your monk like chants spoon fed to you by charlatans on the internet isn't my problem.
The collapse of the east and west penthouses is proof that the load bearing assemblies inside wtc 7 had been compromised to such a extent that there was no longer any support for them. Free fall of about 80'-100' followed but was then met with resistance resulting in a fall time about 40% longer than free fall.
Asserting and re-asserting this is impossible with absolutely zero qualification other than your own confirmation bias pretty much proves who the real ideologue is lil fella.
And no one that I've seen has stated cd is impossible, that's justr another lie you choose to tell in your inept efforts to squirm out of supporting your ignorant beliefs.
And of course you do this solely because,
[Your] Ignorance is [Your] Bliss
Of course Ignorance is Bliss has never explained why he LIED about steel plating.

Why does twoof rely so heavily on misrepresentaions ad outright lies if it's the truth?

Oh, because it's all based on lies so can only be defended with lies.

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And why do Jew haters exist?
Maybe because people hate the things that Jews do.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
I thought you didn't hate Jews vulgar-jinn fontaini?

Oh right, that was a lie too!

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The videos show symmetry and free fall.
NIST ignored the implications of this (i.e. simultaneous and complete destruction of many steel columns), ignored the vast majority of actual physical evidence (i.e. over 99.5% of the steel and 100% of residues), ignored a great deal of witness testimony, video and photographic evidence, ignored the results of their own tests (i.e. the floor models that didn't fail, the very limited metallurgical tests that found no evidence of high steel temperatures), and essentially worked very hard to create a model that failed to reproduce their predetermined goal.
All of which is unscientific.
But you already knew that, didn't ya, stooge-boy?
Uh huh...now prove symmetry and free fall can only be explained by bombs and/or incendiaries...

You know, apply the scientific method to your idiocy.

Or just keep keep relying on your dumb twoofer memes that the rest of the world, the scientific one in particular, completely ignores.

NIST relied on what all investigators rely on. Previous science that has been acculmulating for generations.

They also did many positive material identification tests, actually that was an independant lab, which proves the chemistry of the steel and would scream foul play if these mythical residues existed.

You losers couldn't think your way out of a wet paper bag unless your charlatan masters told you how.
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Interesting interview with Jesselyn Radack, an attorney and recovering whistleblower,(and not to be confused with homeboy boss shill RADEKT) talks about the case of CIA officer John Kiriakou, who is going to prison soon in retaliation for truth-telling about torture -
http://www.peterbcollins.com/wp/wp-content/up...
Oops, I linked to a short sample rather than the full interview.

Here's the full audio file: http://peterbcollins.com/podcast/PBC_20130205...

Or got to Peter B Collins' site: http://www.peterbcollins.com/2013/02/05/free-...

Peter Collins and Sibel Edmonds have a continuing series of excellent interviews of many whistleblowers from various agencies, as well as journalists.
See http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/tag/boiling-f...

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You can see free fall on video !?!?!?!?!?
........my your very talented
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The videos show symmetry and free fall.
NIST ignored the implications of this (i.e. simultaneous and complete destruction of many steel columns), ignored the vast majority of actual physical evidence (i.e. over 99.5% of the steel and 100% of residues), ignored a great deal of witness testimony, video and photographic evidence, ignored the results of their own tests (i.e. the floor models that didn't fail, the very limited metallurgical tests that found no evidence of high steel temperatures), and essentially worked very hard to create a model that failed to reproduce their predetermined goal.
All of which is unscientific.
But you already knew that, didn't ya, stooge-boy?

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Produce the Pentagon security videos and plane black boxes or it is You with the small mind.
Don't need too. Over one hundred people actually witnessed what happened. There was plenty of plane debris both inside and outside the building regardless of what idiots post on YouTube.

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And why do Jew haters exist?
Maybe because people hate the things that Jews do.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
Anti-semitic Jackass.

STFU you are making a fool of yourself again.

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Their plot having only been discovered by those who couldn't even afford to pay people to believe them, let alone convince them with the merits of their odd stories, have to protect their designated patsy and buy him into keeping his tongue, even though he knows that if somebody ever gets around to building that bus and it gets headed in that direction, he's under it.
Indeed. They lack any ability to think critically. For example. Consider the 9/11 fires. When the planes hit the two towers, the fires were up in the buildings where the planes exploded. Also a car was set on fire at street level by a piece of one airplane. The exact cause of how the fire started in the car is speculative. When the towers fell, the fire was spread to other structures and vehicles on the street by very large and hot pieces of debris. The morons talk about melted steel and other things. Basic observation shows the upper stories above the impact came down more intact than what was below. It also show us that very large pieces cut into WTC7 damaging the building and setting it on fire. I love the claims that the whole thing was faked which is totally absurd.

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The videos show symmetry and free fall.
Actually they show the opposite to be true. For example, the top of the South Tower topples and moves before the rest of the collapse takes place. The top of WTC7 collapses into the heavily damaged center moving first prior to a collapse which takes around 18 seconds which is much longer than a free fall of six seconds.

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Timesten wrote:
Read more and show your ignorance less..
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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Sweetie, "It's all about the oil", is a bumper sticker slogan, not a rational argument. Yes dear, the oil industry and the various governments of the United States have long seen that it is much more lucrative to their mutual and individual interests to be friends with financial and political benefits. This has resulted in a great deal of screwing for the American public that we are not enjoying, but can't really do all that much about now that the incestuous system that works so well for all sorts of industries and the various governments of the United States, which gives the American public all kinds of different screwings for their mutual and individual. Our nation has even been taken to war and pseudo war by these various incestuous relationships, but if you study history of these economically advantageous military adventures, people can't help but leave clear and obvious trails of what they have been up to, it's the nature of both big business and governments. You my sweet, are on a snipe hunt in an area where there don't seem to be as many snipes as you think.
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Being kept from us for reasons of national security, namely, not wanting to show the wrong folk what the Pentagon and its grounds look like through the lens of the then state of the art camera. What do you expect it to tell you that the available images and eyewitness accounts haven't told you? I can tell you that you are expecting to find, you know that one or more of your mutually exclusive theories that trained pilots, remote controlled aircraft either replacing or substituted as commercial passenger jets, clearly undersized drones cleverly disguised or photoshopped in thousands of videos to look like full sized commercial passenger jets, missiles also cleverly disguised and/or manipulated to look like full-sized passenger jets were used in the stead of the reportedly hijacked aircraft and that anything and everything that we have been told is completely and totally untrue, for no other reason than you believe that the governments always lie to us therefore this has to be another. You are so closed-minded to the possibility that you might not have been lied to all that much that you will believe the most preposterous of things before that.

Once again dear, my challenge to you was to compose a simple coherent narrative as to what you actually believe to have actually happened, not present me with every other possible alternative explanation which would not include our having been told pretty much the truth about the whole thing. The only thing you really believe is that you are being lied to and that one and only belief has convinced you to agree with anything and everything, no matter how contradictory, mutually exclusive, illogical, improbable, screwy, or laugh inducing, it might seem to anyone else that supports the belief that you have been lied to. Beyond believing that you have been lied to, you really don't believe anything, because you believe everything is to be believed, except the lie you were told.

As to the rest of your nonsense, I think even you should be bright enough to figure it out by now.

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<quoted text>Sweetie, "It's all about the oil", is a bumper sticker slogan, not a rational argument. Yes dear, the oil industry and the various governments of the United States have long seen that it is much more lucrative to their mutual and individual interests to be friends with financial and political benefits. This has resulted in a great deal of screwing for the American public that we are not enjoying, but can't really do all that much about now that the incestuous system that works so well for all sorts of industries and the various governments of the United States, which gives the American public all kinds of different screwings for their mutual and individual. Our nation has even been taken to war and pseudo war by these various incestuous relationships, but if you study history of these economically advantageous military adventures, people can't help but leave clear and obvious trails of what they have been up to, it's the nature of both big business and governments. You my sweet, are on a snipe hunt in an area where there don't seem to be as many snipes as you think.
<quoted text>Being kept from us for reasons of national security, namely, not wanting to show the wrong folk what the Pentagon and its grounds look like through the lens of the then state of the art camera. What do you expect it to tell you that the available images and eyewitness accounts haven't told you? I can tell you that you are expecting to find, you know that one or more of your mutually exclusive theories that trained pilots, remote controlled aircraft either replacing or substituted as commercial passenger jets, clearly undersized drones cleverly disguised or photoshopped in thousands of videos to look like full sized commercial passenger jets, missiles also cleverly disguised and/or manipulated to look like full-sized passenger jets were used in the stead of the reportedly hijacked aircraft and that anything and everything that we have been told is completely and totally untrue, for no other reason than you believe that the governments always lie to us therefore this has to be another. You are so closed-minded to the possibility that you might not have been lied to all that much that you will believe the most preposterous of things before that.
Once again dear, my challenge to you was to compose a simple coherent narrative as to what you actually believe to have actually happened, not present me with every other possible alternative explanation which would not include our having been told pretty much the truth about the whole thing. The only thing you really believe is that you are being lied to and that one and only belief has convinced you to agree with anything and everything, no matter how contradictory, mutually exclusive, illogical, improbable, screwy, or laugh inducing, it might seem to anyone else that supports the belief that you have been lied to. Beyond believing that you have been lied to, you really don't believe anything, because you believe everything is to be believed, except the lie you were told.
As to the rest of your nonsense, I think even you should be bright enough to figure it out by now.
He's an End Timer. Need I say more?
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The Open Chemical Physics Journal

ISSN: 1874-4125

[DOI: 10.2174/1874412500902010007]
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen Pp 7-31

We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center.

Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper.

These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples.

One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later.

The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC).

The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present.

The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite.

Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips.

The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/arti...
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The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.

Over 60 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of letters are available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.

Over a period of more than six years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/index.html

Be the first to call it the urinalof9/11studies.

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It is firstly noted that NIST have refused continual invitations to debate these issues, but instead choose to answer their own interpretations of the many unanswered questions. But even in doing so it is apparent that their story is falling apart like an old suitcase.

Nist have ruled out pancaking, but they seem to forget that one part of their story, the "squibs", is dependent on another part, the pancaking. NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder stated, "Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."

In order for a pressure to build up two floors must come together. This can only happen in two ways one of which, involving at least one floor becoming detached, is ruled out by NIST now saying that this pancaking did not occur.

The only other possibility is if the columns supporting the floors buckle or fail in some way. Nist are asking us to believe that the air then ejected as squibs some thirty or more storeys, some 100 metres below the collapse front, rather than through the very obvious route offered by the failed columns around the entire perimeter of the building.

Not only does this defy credibility, the very fact that NIST thought that they could get away with this, defies credibility.

Here we see why NIST have decided to ask their own questions. They say,

6. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?

Whereas the question could be posed as, "Why did the structure offer minimal resistance to the falling upper mass?" In this case NIST's circular answer would be more obvious, when they say,

As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that:
"… the structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone.

They do not support this contention with any analysis whatsoever. They don't even provide a single calculation to support the claim that the towers would provide little resistance to a falling mass but instead rely on,

The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation.

Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos.

http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id3.html

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Guise Faux wrote:
The Journal of 9/11 Studies is a peer-reviewed, electronic-only journal covering research related to the events of September 11, 2001. Many fields of study are represented and all content is freely available online.
Over 60 peer-reviewed articles and a similar number of letters are available. The editors have also published articles in mainstream scientific journals and offer links to those papers from this site. For visitors beginning to investigate the events of 9/11, a number of other resources are suggested as well.
Over a period of more than six years we have presented some of the most compelling analysis and evidence related to 9/11. Today our mission is to offer only new findings and new, evidence-based perspectives that have not yet been addressed in this venue. We hope you find the content informative and useful in the fight for truth, justice and peace.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/index.html
Be the first to call it the urinalof9/11studies.
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Proves nothing. Thanks anyway. Airplanes are built of magnesium and aluminum, Why would traces of aluminum be at all compelling? Besides, where are the control samples from other cities or nearby areas? Ooops!!!

BIG FAIL.
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The NIST study was supposed to determine why little resistance was provided. Not merely declare that there was little resistance. This must be studied before building recommendations can be made. That is why a budget was allocated.

In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass.

This is simply wrong in so many ways. The towers were designed to support the static weight of the structure multplied by the safety factor. NIST are ignoring the safety factor, asking us to believe that the towers could carry only the static weight. The question must be asked that if NIST's collapse theory relies on there being no safety factor in order to initiate and progress the collapse, what removed that safety factor prior to initiation.

Conservation of Momentum dictates that the upper section must slow in order to accelerate any part of the lower section.

Conservation of Energy dictates that the upper section must slow in order to be able to cause the damage caused to the floors, core and perimeter structure.

http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id3.html

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in Feb 2012 an independent lab determined there was elemental aluminum in the WTC dust so therefore there was NO THERMITE in the WTC DUST

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64959841/9119Progress...
Guise Faux wrote:
The Open Chemical Physics Journal
ISSN: 1874-4125
[DOI: 10.2174/1874412500902010007]
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen Pp 7-31
We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center.
Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper.
These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples.
One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later.
The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC).
The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present.
The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite.
Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips.
The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/arti...

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