Was 911 an Inside Job

Was 911 an Inside Job

Created by inquiring minds on Jan 4, 2013

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“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#63 Jan 13, 2013
Bill wrote:
Pyrotechnic materials and residues have been found in the World Trade Center dust, confirming what is obvious from the videos: that the Towers and Building 7 were brought down by people who had long-term access.
So they say. The 'report' I read had the total amount of said alleged materials recovered at less than a gram. Samples so small that there wasn't enough left, conveniently, for anyone to independently verified. Work to rig these buildings would not have gone unnoticed, we are talking a complex which was open to the public 24 hours a day, seven days a week, even late at night there were thousands of people, pretty much everywhere in the buildings. To date, not one person has claimed involvement in such a plan to demolish these buildings, not one person has claimed that they know ANYONE, relative, friend, casual acquaintance, that took part in such a planned demolition. we haven't even heard from anyone who thinks they know anyone who might have pulled this off aside from some nebulous 'them'. You are being lied to, a lot, usually by the people in the business of telling you that you are being lied to. Professional "truthers" have to lie, it's the only way they can stay in business. All these years and they still have absolutely no proof for any of the hundreds of conspiracy theories that have grown from this.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#64 Jan 13, 2013
Bill wrote:
The FBI also had a "hell of a view" of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. From the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/t...
"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"
And from CBS News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =s9p1AnhDzWgXX
.
This tells me what that I didn't already know? I was living and working in NYC when this all happened. The FBI had been made aware that such a plot was in the works, they made the tragic mistake of not taking that threat seriously enough. There are always people threatening to build bombs and blow things up, but the vast majority of them have neither the expertise nor access to the materials to build one. The closest any of them will get to actual explosives is when the FBI or police pull a sting on them. It shows that even the FBI can seriously flock up and if I remember correctly, those who had been involved became former FBI agents rather quickly.

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#65 Jan 13, 2013
NO DIM WIT, the study was commishioned and paid for by Chris Mohr, who is an investigative journalist.


In the summer of 2011, after finishing my 22 respectful YouTube rebuttals of Richard Gage’s Blueprint for Truth (keywords chrismohr911), I decided to see if I could organize an independent study of the World Trade Center dust to find out if thermitic materials could be found. Not being a chemist, I couldn't make a truly independent analysis of the data found in the Bentham paper alleging the discovery of unignited thematic material by Niels Harrit, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan and others:“Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, The Open Chemical Physics Journal, Vol 2, 2009,”

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/t...001/7T...

While I am very skeptical of claims of controlled demolition on 9/11, I’m no scientist, and I can’t independently judge the merits of this Bentham article. What if they did find thermitic materials? I wanted to see if their evidence could stand up to scientific testing. So I began to ask, what would it take to do an independent test of the dust? Some people said that for a few hundred dollars, a lab could easily test the dust. Kevin Ryan told me it would not be so easy, and he turned out to be right. He seemed to indicate he would be reluctant to provide samples of his own dust, so eventually I decided to look for a lab which:

1) Knew a protocol for searching for unignited thermitic materials in dust
2) Did not put down the idea as ridiculous or a waste of time
3) Had access to WTC dust
4) Would not just run whatever test their lab could do just to make a few hundred dollars (they had to know what they were doing and have the equipment to do it)

Finally, for my part I decided not to tell the researcher how to do his/her job. I would simply ask if they could look for unignited thermitic materials in the dust, and if so, what protocol would they suggest and how much would it cost?

The search was not easy. I contacted 24 or 25 forensic experts, laboratories, universities, fire safety experts, etc. I broadcast out a general request to refer me to someone who could do this.

Eventually, I was recommended to Dr. James Millette of MVA Scientific Consultants near Atlanta. He had all the qualifications: 1.) He had a lab that could do multiple tests. 2.) He had access to WTC dust (Kevin Ryan would not be likely to release any of his own samples) 3.) He was genuinely openminded. I asked him if he believed there was thermitic material in the dust and he said he wouldn’t know until he did the tests. He openly acknowledged that no one in the traditional scientific community has seriously investigated this question. I asked him point blank what would happen if he found thermitic materials in the dust and he said he was used to giving forensic evidence that contradicted the expectations of the people who had hired him. He is an independent scientist.“If I find it I’ll publish it.” Many 9/11 Truth activists have told me,“at last, someone is taking the Bentham study seriously! At last, a real independent investigation!”

Dr. Millette is a member of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences and works with internationally known microscopy experts. An ad hoc international team of these experts, as well as architects, engineers, and other specialists, contributed their expertise to this study. Dr. Millette had already glanced at the red-gray chips in WTC dust but never did a thorough study of them. He decided to do this study for only $1000, although the value of all his research was much more.- Chris Mohr
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>All well paid by the gooberment to lie.
drivel

Richmond, KY

#66 Jan 13, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
NO DIM WIT, the study was commishioned and paid for by Chris Mohr, who is an investigative journalist.
In the summer of 2011, after finishing my 22 respectful YouTube rebuttals of Richard Gage’s Blueprint for Truth (keywords chrismohr911), I decided to see if I could organize an independent study of the World Trade Center dust to find out if thermitic materials could be found. Not being a chemist, I couldn't make a truly independent analysis of the data found in the Bentham paper alleging the discovery of unignited thematic material by Niels Harrit, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan and others:“Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, The Open Chemical Physics Journal, Vol 2, 2009,”
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/t...001/7T...
While I am very skeptical of claims of controlled demolition on 9/11, I’m no scientist, and I can’t independently judge the merits of this Bentham article. What if they did find thermitic materials? I wanted to see if their evidence could stand up to scientific testing. So I began to ask, what would it take to do an independent test of the dust? Some people said that for a few hundred dollars, a lab could easily test the dust. Kevin Ryan told me it would not be so easy, and he turned out to be right. He seemed to indicate he would be reluctant to provide samples of his own dust, so eventually I decided to look for a lab which:
1) Knew a protocol for searching for unignited thermitic materials in dust
2) Did not put down the idea as ridiculous or a waste of time
3) Had access to WTC dust
4) Would not just run whatever test their lab could do just to make a few hundred dollars (they had to know what they were doing and have the equipment to do it)
Finally, for my part I decided not to tell the researcher how to do his/her job. I would simply ask if they could look for unignited thermitic materials in the dust, and if so, what protocol would they suggest and how much would it cost?
The search was not easy. I contacted 24 or 25 forensic experts, laboratories, universities, fire safety experts, etc. I broadcast out a general request to refer me to someone who could do this.
Eventually, I was recommended to Dr. James Millette of MVA Scientific Consultants near Atlanta. He had all the qualifications: 1.) He had a lab that could do multiple tests. 2.) He had access to WTC dust (Kevin Ryan would not be likely to release any of his own samples) 3.) He was genuinely openminded. I asked him if he believed there was thermitic material in the dust and he said he wouldn’t know until he did the tests. He openly acknowledged that no one in the traditional scientific community has seriously investigated this question. I asked him point blank what would happen if he found thermitic materials in the dust and he said he was used to giving forensic evidence that contradicted the expectations of the people who had hired him. He is an independent scientist.“If I find it I’ll publish it.” Many 9/11 Truth activists have told me,“at last, someone is taking the Bentham study seriously! At last, a real independent investigation!”
Dr. Millette is a member of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences and works with internationally known microscopy experts. An ad hoc international team of these experts, as well as architects, engineers, and other specialists, contributed their expertise to this study. Dr. Millette had already glanced at the red-gray chips in WTC dust but never did a thorough study of them. He decided to do this study for only $1000, although the value of all his research was much more.- Chris Mohr
<quoted text>
hey shill boy, no one is reading your drivel, you're just straining your fingers
No One Special

London, UK

#67 Jan 13, 2013
Towers built in 3 stages - top parts that crumbled were the lightest, how could they explode the towers to dust all the way to the ground?
Any and all 'steel evidence' was shipped to China for smelting - FBI went crazy when they found out.
Anthrax sent to Senators & reporters asking questions. Anthrax dna tested, came from US military.
And on, and on, and on...
Mossad agents seen celebrating & videotaping events.
Caught with van load of explosives and maps of NY to NJ bridges circled, their van even had twin towers & a plane painted on it. Israel phoned, they were freed.
And on, and on, and on...
US illegally invades Iraq & Afghanistan, not for the oil & opium (spoils) but for Geo=Political gains, and to help their ally in the Middle East:Israel. US now has permanent bases in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya & soon Syria.
US & UK funding Al Qaeda in Syria to overthrow Assad. Syria has massive Uranium deposits that Fox News will never mention.
US & UK created the state of Iraq after WW1, which was an invasion of Basra to stop Berlin to Baghdad railway line. And on, and on...
Media & 'basic schooling' muddying the facts that Middle East is the Global prize, and that US & UK are basically trying to finish what Hitler started.
Gangsters, performing massive smash & grab raid before China takes over as new Superpower.

Good night, good luck & sleep tight.

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#68 Jan 13, 2013
NO ....... don't read anything that ruins your delusions Moron
drivel wrote:
<quoted text>
hey shill boy, no one is reading your drivel, you're just straining your fingers
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#69 Jan 13, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
NO ....... don't read anything that ruins your delusions Moron
<quoted text>
No, don't waste time with BS.

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#70 Jan 13, 2013
How funny is it that a high school drop out says the work of a PhD level Chemist is BS ?!?!?!??!? LOL !!!!!!
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>No, don't waste time with BS.
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#71 Jan 13, 2013
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>No, don't waste time with BS.
Hehehehahahahehe jet fuel hehehe

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#72 Jan 14, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>That would be a whole lot of crazy for one person to go to at such a young age. In some ways I hope one of his paranoid fantasies is true and somebody is keeping a real close eye on him.
It's the tip of his bat shit crazy iceberg.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#73 Jan 14, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
The reason why the collapse of the towers at the World Trade Center so resembled a controlled demolition is because controlled demolitions are purposefully designed to mimic the collapse of a structure due to accident or design flaw. There has yet to be one person who has stepped forward to claim that they had even heard second hand of someone claiming involvement in such a demolition at the WTC and given what the current technology takes to make a controlled demolition mimic the natural collapse of the structure, there is no way such an activity took place without notice.
The reason is that it was a gravity driven collapse.

The Rube Goldberg nonsense twoofers try passing off as fact is nothing like a real cd.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#74 Jan 14, 2013
Bill wrote:
<quoted text>Pyrotechnic materials and residues have been found in the World Trade Center dust, confirming what is obvious from the videos: that the Towers and Building 7 were brought down by people who had long-term access.
No they haven't.

The one paper published in a pay to play journal by twoofers proves twoofers are as ignorant about science as they are about reality.

The conclusion of the paper is not supported by the data...and subsequent testing has shown it was paint.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#75 Jan 14, 2013
911 was an inside job wrote:
<quoted text>I wonder how James R. Millette, PhD, explained the "large-narrow exotherms" that resulted when the red-gray chips ignited in a differential scanning calorimeter. I saw graphs that rivaled conventional explosives as well as high-tech nano-energetic composites that U.S. military labs were developing in the late 90s. Can you fill me in on that?
You mean the exiotherms that were almost double that of thermite which disproves the conclusions of the paper?

Uh huh.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#76 Jan 14, 2013
911 was an inside job wrote:
<quoted text>Well that's strange, Radekt. You see, there are other groups, including Dr. Neils Harrit's, that not only found elemental aluminum particles in the nano-composite materials in the World Trade Center dust, but when they ignited the red-gray chips, they got the byproducts of thermitic reaction! Seems to me that reactions that produce a great deal of heat and molten iron are good indicators of the presence of thermite.

Did your guy ever get beyond the "preliminary conclusion" phase? I know he was looking for funding to continue his research. I hope he gets it so that he can be a bit more thorough.
Show where they found elemental aluminium...

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#77 Jan 14, 2013
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, those building came down by controlled demolition.
And you're the real fretkillr.

Hahahahaha!!!!

Right!

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#78 Jan 14, 2013
No One Special wrote:
Towers built in 3 stages - top parts that crumbled were the lightest, how could they explode the towers to dust all the way to the ground?
Any and all 'steel evidence' was shipped to China for smelting - FBI went crazy when they found out.
Anthrax sent to Senators & reporters asking questions. Anthrax dna tested, came from US military.
And on, and on, and on...
Mossad agents seen celebrating & videotaping events.
Caught with van load of explosives and maps of NY to NJ bridges circled, their van even had twin towers & a plane painted on it. Israel phoned, they were freed.
And on, and on, and on...
US illegally invades Iraq & Afghanistan, not for the oil & opium (spoils) but for Geo=Political gains, and to help their ally in the Middle East:Israel. US now has permanent bases in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya & soon Syria.
US & UK funding Al Qaeda in Syria to overthrow Assad. Syria has massive Uranium deposits that Fox News will never mention.
US & UK created the state of Iraq after WW1, which was an invasion of Basra to stop Berlin to Baghdad railway line. And on, and on...
Media & 'basic schooling' muddying the facts that Middle East is the Global prize, and that US & UK are basically trying to finish what Hitler started.
Gangsters, performing massive smash & grab raid before China takes over as new Superpower.

Good night, good luck & sleep tight.
Prove the steel was all shipped to China.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#79 Jan 14, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
The reason is that it was a gravity driven collapse.
The Rube Goldberg nonsense twoofers try passing off as fact is nothing like a real cd.
And while controlled demolitions are designed to bring about a gravity driven collapse, there are many other potential causes for one absent pyrotechnics. One should be able to grasp the concept that an exploding jet liners in the confines of even the best built structures ought to be sufficient to bring about the effects of gravity, even without a controlled demolition.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#80 Jan 14, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
It's the tip of his bat shit crazy iceberg.
That's why ice bergs are best observed from a distance.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#81 Jan 14, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
Prove the steel was all shipped to China.
If they are looking for steel from the WTC, why not examine all those 9/11 memorials that have been built around the country using beams from the site?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#82 Jan 14, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>If they are looking for steel from the WTC, why not examine all those 9/11 memorials that have been built around the country using beams from the site?
Exactly. And why do we require scientifically illiterate ideologues to examine the steel when that's already been done by relevant experts from the ASCE (they visually examined all the steel).

And why didn't all the positive material identification testing done to determine whether the steel conformed to the chemical requirements of the given grades uncover any residual explosives or incendiaries?

Oh ya, because twoof is nothing but vacuous bs with zero relevance beyond a few internet message forums;-)

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