Was 911 an Inside Job

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Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#4750 May 27, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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Whatsa matter crybaby? That bother you?
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Anything else wrong?
No, I need my daily dose of humor which you provide every day.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#4751 May 27, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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NIST disagrees with your idiotic unfounded claim.
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Nano-thermites, which are high-tech energetic materials made by mixing ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminum and UFG metal oxides; usually iron oxide, molybdenum oxide or copper oxide, although other compounds can be used (Prakash 2005, Rai 2005).
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The mixing is accomplished by adding these reactants to a liquid solution where they form what are called “sols”, and then adding a gelling agent that captures these tiny reactive combinations in their intimately mixed state (LLNL 2000).
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The resulting “sol-gel” is then dried to form a porous reactive material that can be ignited in a number of ways.
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The high surface area of the reactants within energetic sol-gels allows for the far higher rate of energy release than is seen in “macro” thermite mixtures, making nano-thermites “high explosives” as well as pyrotechnic materials (Tillotson et al 1999).
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Sol-gel nano-thermites, are often called energetic nanocomposites, metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) or superthermite (COEM 2004, Son et al 2007), and silica is often used to create the porous, structural framework (Clapsaddle et al 2004, Zhao et al 2004).
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Nano-thermites have also been made with RDX (Pivkina et al 2004), and with thermoplastic elastomers (Diaz et al 2003). But it is important to remember that, despite the name, nano-thermites pack a much bigger punch than typical thermite materials.
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It turns out that explosive, sol-gel nano-thermites were developed by US government scientists, at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories (LLNL)(Tillotson et al 1998, Gash et al 2000, Gash et al 2002).
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These LLNL scientists reported that --
“The sol-gel process is very amenable to dip-, spin-, and spray-coating technologies to coat surfaces.
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We have utilized this property to dip-coat various substrates to make sol-gel Fe,O,/ Al / Viton coatings.
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The energetic coating dries to give a nice adherent film.
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Preliminary experiments indicate that films of the hybrid material are self-propagating when ignited by thermal stimulus”
(Gash et al 2002).
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Nano-thermite is a high explosive!
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It's not Magik Huh Eh !
Nano thermite works like a cutting torch. It is not an explosive.

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#4752 May 27, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
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NIST disagrees with your idiotic unfounded claim.
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Nano-thermites, which are high-tech energetic materials made by mixing ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminum and UFG metal oxides; usually iron oxide, molybdenum oxide or copper oxide, although other compounds can be used (Prakash 2005, Rai 2005).
.
The mixing is accomplished by adding these reactants to a liquid solution where they form what are called “sols”, and then adding a gelling agent that captures these tiny reactive combinations in their intimately mixed state (LLNL 2000).
.
The resulting “sol-gel” is then dried to form a porous reactive material that can be ignited in a number of ways.
.
The high surface area of the reactants within energetic sol-gels allows for the far higher rate of energy release than is seen in “macro” thermite mixtures, making nano-thermites “high explosives” as well as pyrotechnic materials (Tillotson et al 1999).
.
Sol-gel nano-thermites, are often called energetic nanocomposites, metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) or superthermite (COEM 2004, Son et al 2007), and silica is often used to create the porous, structural framework (Clapsaddle et al 2004, Zhao et al 2004).
.
Nano-thermites have also been made with RDX (Pivkina et al 2004), and with thermoplastic elastomers (Diaz et al 2003). But it is important to remember that, despite the name, nano-thermites pack a much bigger punch than typical thermite materials.
.
It turns out that explosive, sol-gel nano-thermites were developed by US government scientists, at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories (LLNL)(Tillotson et al 1998, Gash et al 2000, Gash et al 2002).
.
These LLNL scientists reported that --
“The sol-gel process is very amenable to dip-, spin-, and spray-coating technologies to coat surfaces.
.
We have utilized this property to dip-coat various substrates to make sol-gel Fe,O,/ Al / Viton coatings.
.
The energetic coating dries to give a nice adherent film.
.
Preliminary experiments indicate that films of the hybrid material are self-propagating when ignited by thermal stimulus”
(Gash et al 2002).
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Nano-thermite is a high explosive!
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It's not Magik Huh Eh !
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Correction:
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Nano-thermite CAN BE A HIGH EXPLOSIVE!

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#4753 May 27, 2013
AussieBobby wrote:
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And yet no evidence of thermite of any kind was found on 911.
And you never saw the sun come up yesterday, but I bet it did!
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Hint: If you want to see something you have to look for it.
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Unless you believe in Magik Huh Eh !

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#4754 May 27, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Nano thermite works like a cutting torch. It is not an explosive.
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How hot does a cutting torch get?
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You wouldn't know which end of a cutting torch to put in your mouth.
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Believe in Magik much ? Huh Eh !

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#4755 May 27, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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How hot does a cutting torch get?
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You wouldn't know which end of a cutting torch to put in your mouth.
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Believe in Magik much ? Huh Eh !
A cutting torch rapidly oxidizes the metal being cut. There are but a few experts in steel framed building demolition. They use tons of steel plate to direct charges. No buildings were taken down by demolition on 9/11.

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#4756 May 27, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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A cutting torch rapidly oxidizes the metal being cut. There are but a few experts in steel framed building demolition. They use tons of steel plate to direct charges. No buildings were taken down by demolition on 9/11.
Of course you have no references for that unfounded claim.
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And you won't post them for all to see.
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How do they direct charges that easily pierce many inches of steel armor without first welding on tons of steel plate?
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Magik perhaps Huh Eh !

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#4757 May 27, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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A cutting torch rapidly oxidizes the metal being cut. There are but a few experts in steel framed building demolition. They use tons of steel plate to direct charges. No buildings were taken down by demolition on 9/11.
What does a cutting torch use for the oxidizing agent?
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How is this oxidizing agent provided to the cutting torch?
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Hint: its not Magik Huh Eh !

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#4758 May 27, 2013
The pyrotechnics and explosives used on the WTC buildings are of three types, all based on aluminothermic reactions: an incendiary used in the Stage 1, and two types of explosives used in Stage 2:
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Thermate incendiary coating compound: A mixture of aluminum powder, iron oxide powder, sulfur and other additives in a binder.
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Applied in a liquid form like paint, it dries to form durable coating that requires a high-temperature igniter to start the reaction by heating a spot to the 2,200ºC ignition temperature.
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Nano-thermite kicker charge: A large forceful charge with relatively low brisance based on a nano-thermite explosive that is stable up to a very high temperature and pressure, such as supplied by a built-in wireless detonator.
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A protective insulating capsule is shaped like a fire-extinguisher bottle.
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Aluminothermic nanocomposite sheet: A thin layer of a nanocomposite aluminothermic material laminated onto a thin brittle slab of iron oxides and hydroxides. The material deflagrates (burns gradually) when elevated to 430ºC, but detonates with high brisance only when extremely high temperature and pressure, such as provided by a wireless micro-detonator, is applied to any part of its surface.
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These were used in the ceiling tiles that were replaced in the months before 9/11. Probably in the same time frame that the explosive coatings were applied disguised as fire-proofing on the surfaces of the inner structure of the buildings.
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Because these pyrotechnics are energy-dense, have very specific conditions of ignition and detonation, and leave residues composed of the same elements as building parts; they are well suited to the covert demolition of the Twin Towers.
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Surprising to most people given popular misconceptions about explosives, the energetic materials' characteristics allow them to be deployed throughout the crash zones without risk of premature detonations.
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The incendiary coatings are unlikely to be ignited by the jetliner crashes because their ignition threshold temperature is so high.
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But in the event that some are, they will blend in with the hydrocarbon fires.
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The kicker charges have very specific detonation conditions unlikely to be achieved even by direct impacts of jetliner parts, let alone office fires, and are further protected by encapsulation.
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Without the very rapid pulse of extreme temperature and pressure required to trigger detonation, the nano-composite sheets embedded in the ceiling tiles will deflagrate on ignition, and do so slowly enough to appear to burn like office furnishings.
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http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/b... #
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To keep eyewitnesses at a minimum level, all of Lower Manhattan was under a strict evacuation order after the first alleged plane crash. Very few people were standing around looking up. They were leaving under police order, watching mostly of course where they were going.
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Sure looked like Magik to any casual observer moving around on the street. Huh Eh !

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#4759 May 27, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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Of course you have no references for that unfounded claim.
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And you won't post them for all to see.
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How do they direct charges that easily pierce many inches of steel armor without first welding on tons of steel plate?
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Magik perhaps Huh Eh !
I have posted information from reputable demolition contractors web sites about the steel plate. Any combustible materials can explode given the right conditions. Explosion is different than cutting though solid steel. The only way sequential demolition is possible is by forcing the explosive flame front directly into the framing member from two sides at once. This is very complicated and requires tons of steel plate and careful planning. There are only a few demolition contractors capable of demolishing large steel framed structures. Both towers were constructed with exterior frames. Sorry Twoofer. You have no case except for your insanity.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#4760 May 27, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
The pyrotechnics and explosives used on the WTC buildings are of three types, all based on aluminothermic reactions: an incendiary used in the Stage 1, and two types of explosives used in Stage 2:
.
Thermate incendiary coating compound: A mixture of aluminum powder, iron oxide powder, sulfur and other additives in a binder.
.
Applied in a liquid form like paint, it dries to form durable coating that requires a high-temperature igniter to start the reaction by heating a spot to the 2,200ºC ignition temperature.
.
Nano-thermite kicker charge: A large forceful charge with relatively low brisance based on a nano-thermite explosive that is stable up to a very high temperature and pressure, such as supplied by a built-in wireless detonator.
.
A protective insulating capsule is shaped like a fire-extinguisher bottle.
.
Aluminothermic nanocomposite sheet: A thin layer of a nanocomposite aluminothermic material laminated onto a thin brittle slab of iron oxides and hydroxides. The material deflagrates (burns gradually) when elevated to 430ºC, but detonates with high brisance only when extremely high temperature and pressure, such as provided by a wireless micro-detonator, is applied to any part of its surface.
.
These were used in the ceiling tiles that were replaced in the months before 9/11. Probably in the same time frame that the explosive coatings were applied disguised as fire-proofing on the surfaces of the inner structure of the buildings.
.
Because these pyrotechnics are energy-dense, have very specific conditions of ignition and detonation, and leave residues composed of the same elements as building parts; they are well suited to the covert demolition of the Twin Towers.
.
Surprising to most people given popular misconceptions about explosives, the energetic materials' characteristics allow them to be deployed throughout the crash zones without risk of premature detonations.
.
The incendiary coatings are unlikely to be ignited by the jetliner crashes because their ignition threshold temperature is so high.
.
But in the event that some are, they will blend in with the hydrocarbon fires.
.
The kicker charges have very specific detonation conditions unlikely to be achieved even by direct impacts of jetliner parts, let alone office fires, and are further protected by encapsulation.
.
Without the very rapid pulse of extreme temperature and pressure required to trigger detonation, the nano-composite sheets embedded in the ceiling tiles will deflagrate on ignition, and do so slowly enough to appear to burn like office furnishings.
.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/b... #
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To keep eyewitnesses at a minimum level, all of Lower Manhattan was under a strict evacuation order after the first alleged plane crash. Very few people were standing around looking up. They were leaving under police order, watching mostly of course where they were going.
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Sure looked like Magik to any casual observer moving around on the street. Huh Eh !
Fantasy. There is no evidence to substantiate your claim. You have been watching too many science fiction movies.

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Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#4761 May 27, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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What does a cutting torch use for the oxidizing agent?
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How is this oxidizing agent provided to the cutting torch?
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Hint: its not Magik Huh Eh !
Still no evidence that any building was systematically demolished. There is only evidence of structural failure.
Says It All

Santa Cruz, CA

#4762 May 27, 2013
Was 911 an Inside Job
No 9,131 54%
YES 7,642 45%
Possibly 68 0%
Don't know 40 0%
Current Total 16,881

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#4763 May 27, 2013
Another substantiated and referenced claim.
that neither provides any evidence or proof.
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Nevertheless:
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As part of the Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer, NIST partners with the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Indian Head (NSWC-IH) on Chemical Science and Technology (FLCTT 2008).
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NSWC-IH is probably the most prominent US center for nano-thermite technology (NSWC 2008).
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In 1999, Jan Puszynski, a scientist working for the DURINT program, helped NSWC-IH design a pilot plant to produce nano-size aluminum powder.
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It was reported that “At that time, this was [the] only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the United States”(SDSMT 2001), however, private companies like Argonide and Technanogy were also known to have such capabilities.
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Among an interesting group of contractors that NSWC-IH hired in 1999 were SAIC, Applied Ordnance, Battelle, Booz Allen Hamilton, Mantech, Titan, Pacific Scientific Energetic (see below), and R Stresau Laboratories for “demolition materials”(NSWC 2000).
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A tragic coincidence left William Caswell, an employee of NSWC-IH, dead on the plane alleged to have hit the Pentagon (Flight 77).
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He had for many years worked on “deep-black” projects at NSWC-IH (Leaf 2007).
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http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_therm...
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Maybe he didn't want to go along with the program he worked on.
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He obviously needed to disappear.
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Was it Magik ? Huh Eh !

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Since: Jul 11

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#4764 May 27, 2013
LuLu Ford wrote:
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Still no evidence that any building was systematically demolished. There is only evidence of structural failure.
I hope that's not a big problem for you. If it is, I suggest you get over it quick cause there is a lot more where that came from.
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I gotcher structural failure hanging richere! Hah Hah Huh eh !
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No evidence... None !

Prick in Kansas

Logan, WV

#4765 May 27, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>As would a freight train, a zeppelin, some of your larger construction equipment and smaller cruise ships, elephants in battle armor and presumably the Trojan horse.
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<quoted text> You know this how exactly? You seem to be forgetting that it wasn't merely the aluminum fuselage traveling through the building, it was accompanied by a very large explosion. The hole in the inner wall is where that force ran out.
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<quoted text>That particular fantasy of yours jumps the line from the silly to the pathologically disturbed. <quoted text>No dear, but you seem to.
so explain again exactly how a commercial jet plane fits into a 16 ft diameter hole...folding wings phenomenon perhaps? or was it magic?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#4766 May 28, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>Have you no originality? I call you a descendent of the traitor Benedict Arnold and you say it back to me. Someone invents the name "twoofer" to conduct a smear campaign, and you copy that to conduct one of your own.

You are just a parrot.

Now what? Saying monarchies are less than free republics is an insult to the people who live under monarchies? Well, consider me and historical fact bad then...

"What he say, mate?"

"He don't like our Royals owning us, thats aboot the most offensive thing us subjects have ever heard."

So I guess I'm considered a traitor because I question authority and believe in Constitutional rights...

In Canada, questioning the Queen is considered a traitorous act. In America, the act of questioning is considered a patriotic act.

See the difference?

How do you make a Canadian believe? Tell him something. How do you make an American believe? Show him something.

The reason NIST couldn't show us, is because the evidence was destroyed. Neglecting that fact is the reason positive peer review of NIST is invalid. When you can't grasp these simple facts, so are you.

Insults Are Easier
Oh bless your little twoofer meme spewing heart!

The more mindless twoofer canards you spew, the more you prove my point that twoofers, you, are the biggest, dumbest, most unthinking sheep around.

Tell us again how free fall= cd.

And how molten steel=cd.

And how symmetry=cd.

But continue to fail qualifying any of it.

Then tell us NIST didn't follow the scientific method.

And call everyone who disagrees with you sheep.

And insult 1.5 billion people in your failed attempts to spite me.

Then sit alone in your little room and wonder why,

[Your] Ignorance is [Your] Bliss

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Since: Jul 11

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#4767 May 28, 2013
pig tell us again how:
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bin Laden = masterminded 9/11
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19 college kids = successfully hi-jacked 4 commercial airplanes in the same time frame
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no hi-jacked aircraft intercepted = proper defense
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hydrocarbon fires = gravity driven collapse
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Boeing 767 = 16 ft hole in Pentagon
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NIST = scientific method
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NIST = no knowledge of nano-thermite
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Oh I forgot you can't
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Must be Magik Huh Eh !

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Since: Jul 11

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#4768 May 28, 2013
The presence of Pacific Scientific Energetics (PSE) in this list of 1999 NSWC-IH contractors is interesting because PSE was the parent company of Special Devices, Inc (SDI).
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SDI specializes in explosives for defense, aerospace and mining applications, and was acquired in 1998 by John Lehman, 9/11 Commissioner, member of the Project for a New American Century, and former Secretary of the Navy (SDI 2008). Lehman divested in 2001.
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With this in mind, it is worthwhile to reiterate that nano-thermite materials were very likely used in the deceptive demolition of the WTC buildings, but most certainly played only a part in the plan.
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However, other high-tech explosives were available to those who had access to nano-thermite materials at the time.
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Like SDI, several other organizations with links to military, space and intelligence programs (e.g. In-Q-Tel, Orbital Science) have access to many types of high-tech explosives to cut high-strength bolts and produce pyrotechnic events (Goldstein 2006).
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These organizations also have connections to those who could have accessed the buildings, like WTC tenant Marsh & McLennan and former NASA administrator and Securacom director, James Abrahamson.
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http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_therm...
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Is it waddling like a duck yet? Huh Eh

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#4769 May 28, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
The presence of Pacific Scientific Energetics (PSE) in this list of 1999 NSWC-IH contractors is interesting because PSE was the parent company of Special Devices, Inc (SDI).
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SDI specializes in explosives for defense, aerospace and mining applications, and was acquired in 1998 by John Lehman, 9/11 Commissioner, member of the Project for a New American Century, and former Secretary of the Navy (SDI 2008). Lehman divested in 2001.
.
With this in mind, it is worthwhile to reiterate that nano-thermite materials were very likely used in the deceptive demolition of the WTC buildings, but most certainly played only a part in the plan.
.
However, other high-tech explosives were available to those who had access to nano-thermite materials at the time.
.
Like SDI, several other organizations with links to military, space and intelligence programs (e.g. In-Q-Tel, Orbital Science) have access to many types of high-tech explosives to cut high-strength bolts and produce pyrotechnic events (Goldstein 2006).
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These organizations also have connections to those who could have accessed the buildings, like WTC tenant Marsh & McLennan and former NASA administrator and Securacom director, James Abrahamson.
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http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_therm...
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Is it waddling like a duck yet? Huh Eh
There has never been any evidence nano thermite devices.
What is your point?

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