Was 911 an Inside Job

Was 911 an Inside Job

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“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#4761 May 27, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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What does a cutting torch use for the oxidizing agent?
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How is this oxidizing agent provided to the cutting torch?
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Hint: its not Magik Huh Eh !
Still no evidence that any building was systematically demolished. There is only evidence of structural failure.
Says It All

Santa Cruz, CA

#4762 May 27, 2013
Was 911 an Inside Job
No 9,131 54%
YES 7,642 45%
Possibly 68 0%
Don't know 40 0%
Current Total 16,881

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#4763 May 27, 2013
Another substantiated and referenced claim.
that neither provides any evidence or proof.
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Nevertheless:
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As part of the Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer, NIST partners with the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Indian Head (NSWC-IH) on Chemical Science and Technology (FLCTT 2008).
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NSWC-IH is probably the most prominent US center for nano-thermite technology (NSWC 2008).
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In 1999, Jan Puszynski, a scientist working for the DURINT program, helped NSWC-IH design a pilot plant to produce nano-size aluminum powder.
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It was reported that “At that time, this was [the] only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the United States”(SDSMT 2001), however, private companies like Argonide and Technanogy were also known to have such capabilities.
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Among an interesting group of contractors that NSWC-IH hired in 1999 were SAIC, Applied Ordnance, Battelle, Booz Allen Hamilton, Mantech, Titan, Pacific Scientific Energetic (see below), and R Stresau Laboratories for “demolition materials”(NSWC 2000).
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A tragic coincidence left William Caswell, an employee of NSWC-IH, dead on the plane alleged to have hit the Pentagon (Flight 77).
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He had for many years worked on “deep-black” projects at NSWC-IH (Leaf 2007).
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http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_therm...
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Maybe he didn't want to go along with the program he worked on.
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He obviously needed to disappear.
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Was it Magik ? Huh Eh !

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Since: Jul 11

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#4764 May 27, 2013
LuLu Ford wrote:
<quoted text>
Still no evidence that any building was systematically demolished. There is only evidence of structural failure.
I hope that's not a big problem for you. If it is, I suggest you get over it quick cause there is a lot more where that came from.
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I gotcher structural failure hanging richere! Hah Hah Huh eh !
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No evidence... None !

Prick in Kansas

Logan, WV

#4765 May 27, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>As would a freight train, a zeppelin, some of your larger construction equipment and smaller cruise ships, elephants in battle armor and presumably the Trojan horse.
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<quoted text> You know this how exactly? You seem to be forgetting that it wasn't merely the aluminum fuselage traveling through the building, it was accompanied by a very large explosion. The hole in the inner wall is where that force ran out.
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<quoted text>That particular fantasy of yours jumps the line from the silly to the pathologically disturbed. <quoted text>No dear, but you seem to.
so explain again exactly how a commercial jet plane fits into a 16 ft diameter hole...folding wings phenomenon perhaps? or was it magic?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#4766 May 28, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>Have you no originality? I call you a descendent of the traitor Benedict Arnold and you say it back to me. Someone invents the name "twoofer" to conduct a smear campaign, and you copy that to conduct one of your own.

You are just a parrot.

Now what? Saying monarchies are less than free republics is an insult to the people who live under monarchies? Well, consider me and historical fact bad then...

"What he say, mate?"

"He don't like our Royals owning us, thats aboot the most offensive thing us subjects have ever heard."

So I guess I'm considered a traitor because I question authority and believe in Constitutional rights...

In Canada, questioning the Queen is considered a traitorous act. In America, the act of questioning is considered a patriotic act.

See the difference?

How do you make a Canadian believe? Tell him something. How do you make an American believe? Show him something.

The reason NIST couldn't show us, is because the evidence was destroyed. Neglecting that fact is the reason positive peer review of NIST is invalid. When you can't grasp these simple facts, so are you.

Insults Are Easier
Oh bless your little twoofer meme spewing heart!

The more mindless twoofer canards you spew, the more you prove my point that twoofers, you, are the biggest, dumbest, most unthinking sheep around.

Tell us again how free fall= cd.

And how molten steel=cd.

And how symmetry=cd.

But continue to fail qualifying any of it.

Then tell us NIST didn't follow the scientific method.

And call everyone who disagrees with you sheep.

And insult 1.5 billion people in your failed attempts to spite me.

Then sit alone in your little room and wonder why,

[Your] Ignorance is [Your] Bliss

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Since: Jul 11

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#4767 May 28, 2013
pig tell us again how:
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bin Laden = masterminded 9/11
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19 college kids = successfully hi-jacked 4 commercial airplanes in the same time frame
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no hi-jacked aircraft intercepted = proper defense
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hydrocarbon fires = gravity driven collapse
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Boeing 767 = 16 ft hole in Pentagon
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NIST = scientific method
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NIST = no knowledge of nano-thermite
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Oh I forgot you can't
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Must be Magik Huh Eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#4768 May 28, 2013
The presence of Pacific Scientific Energetics (PSE) in this list of 1999 NSWC-IH contractors is interesting because PSE was the parent company of Special Devices, Inc (SDI).
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SDI specializes in explosives for defense, aerospace and mining applications, and was acquired in 1998 by John Lehman, 9/11 Commissioner, member of the Project for a New American Century, and former Secretary of the Navy (SDI 2008). Lehman divested in 2001.
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With this in mind, it is worthwhile to reiterate that nano-thermite materials were very likely used in the deceptive demolition of the WTC buildings, but most certainly played only a part in the plan.
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However, other high-tech explosives were available to those who had access to nano-thermite materials at the time.
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Like SDI, several other organizations with links to military, space and intelligence programs (e.g. In-Q-Tel, Orbital Science) have access to many types of high-tech explosives to cut high-strength bolts and produce pyrotechnic events (Goldstein 2006).
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These organizations also have connections to those who could have accessed the buildings, like WTC tenant Marsh & McLennan and former NASA administrator and Securacom director, James Abrahamson.
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http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_therm...
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Is it waddling like a duck yet? Huh Eh

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#4769 May 28, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
The presence of Pacific Scientific Energetics (PSE) in this list of 1999 NSWC-IH contractors is interesting because PSE was the parent company of Special Devices, Inc (SDI).
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SDI specializes in explosives for defense, aerospace and mining applications, and was acquired in 1998 by John Lehman, 9/11 Commissioner, member of the Project for a New American Century, and former Secretary of the Navy (SDI 2008). Lehman divested in 2001.
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With this in mind, it is worthwhile to reiterate that nano-thermite materials were very likely used in the deceptive demolition of the WTC buildings, but most certainly played only a part in the plan.
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However, other high-tech explosives were available to those who had access to nano-thermite materials at the time.
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Like SDI, several other organizations with links to military, space and intelligence programs (e.g. In-Q-Tel, Orbital Science) have access to many types of high-tech explosives to cut high-strength bolts and produce pyrotechnic events (Goldstein 2006).
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These organizations also have connections to those who could have accessed the buildings, like WTC tenant Marsh & McLennan and former NASA administrator and Securacom director, James Abrahamson.
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http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_therm...
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Is it waddling like a duck yet? Huh Eh
There has never been any evidence nano thermite devices.
What is your point?

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Since: Jul 11

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#4770 May 28, 2013
It is important for those seeking the truth about 9/11 to consider what organizations and people had access to the technologies that were used to accomplish the deceptive demolition of the WTC buildings.
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It is also important to recognize the links between those who had access to the technologies, those who had access to the buildings, and those who produced the clearly false official reports.
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To that end we should note that NIST had considerable connections to nano-thermites, both before and during the WTC investigation.
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It is therefore inexplicable why NIST did not consider such materials as an explanation for the fires that burned on 9/11, and long afterward at Ground Zero.
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This fact would not be inexplicable, of course, if those managing the NIST investigation knew to not look, or test, for such materials.
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And of course they did know NOT to look, or test for any evidence of explosives.
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This is WHY allegedly, there has never been any evidence found of explosive residue.
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If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, is there any evidence that it is a duck?
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Or is it Magik Huh Eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#4771 May 28, 2013
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, is there any evidence that it is a duck?
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Or is it Magik Huh Eh !
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“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#4772 May 28, 2013
What is 9/11 Truth?– The First Steps
By Kevin Ryan
-Former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters
Laboratories
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Lately there has been much written and said about the emergence of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
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Unfortunately, most of this ignores an important question - What exactly is “9/11 Truth”? The
simple answer is twofold.
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The first truth about 9/11 that no one can argue with is that the official story of what happened has been used to “change everything”, meaning it has redefined all government priorities and international relations, and therefore the entire future of society.
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The second, more troubling truth about 9/11 is that the official story is entirely FALSE.
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Many people still don’t see this second truth clearly, however, so we must help them look again.
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But it’s important to realize that 9/11 Truth is not just about promoting new conspiracy theories, it’s more fundamentally about questioning the one we’ve been given.
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The official story of September 11th is comprised of two reports.
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The first of these, the 9/11 Commission Report, gives the government’s overall version of what happened that day and why.
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However, it is somewhat misleading to call this report the “official story” as the Commission’s
executive director and de facto member of the Bush Administration, Philip Zelikow, controlled
the entire investigation as well as the writing of the report.
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Most of the 9/11 Commission members were simply there to present an appearance of unanimity. Therefore the official story is not representative of work done by the US government as a whole, but is largely the view of the Bush Administration.
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The Commission’s story has been shown to be entirely false due to lies of omission and
distortion, and one significant event their report omitted entirely was the collapse of WTC 7.
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They left explanation for this disaster, and the collapse of the towers, to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) for publication as the second half of the official story, the
NIST WTC report.
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This second report from NIST is a direct product of the Bush Administration, with cabinet member Carlos Gutierrez’ name emblazoned on page one.
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Of course NIST itself is a government agency whose directors are also Presidential appointees.
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Those relying on this report always fail to note the fact that the leaders of NIST’s WTC investigation were appointed directly by George W. Bush.
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http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/A...
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We will learn more about the 9/11 Commission’s
executive director and de facto member of the Bush Administration, Philip Zelikow, who totally controlled the entire 9/11 Commission's investigation as well as the writing of the Commission's report a little later.
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Huh Eh !

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Since: Jul 11

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#4773 May 28, 2013
The Bush Administration has been criticized heavily for their disdain of science.
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The House Committee on Government Reform found “numerous instances where the Bush Administration has manipulated the scientific process and distorted or suppressed scientific findings.”
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A group of leading scientists, now including 49 Nobel laureates, 63 National Medal of Science recipients, and 175 members of the National Academies, has said that the Bush Administration engages in “distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends.”
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Add to this some preliminary considerations, and you can see the enormity of the challenge presented to the “political scientists” at NIST.
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To begin with, everyone knows that no tall steel framed buildings have ever collapsed from fire, yet we’re told that the first three instances of this occurred all on the same day.
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Similarly, there is no precedent in which a building exhibiting all the characteristics of controlled demolition was not a demolition, and again we have three.
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We also know that the building’s structural engineer, John Skilling, considered airliner impacts and the resulting jet fuel fires in his design, and assured us “the building structure would still be there.”
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Additionally, the contractors and specialists the NIST used depended on good government relationships or on the political story itself.
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Finally, we know that the primary investigators behind the FEMA report, Larry Silverstein’s insurance claim report, and the NIST report were largely the same group of people despite the ever-changing story.
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Huh Eh !

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#4774 May 28, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
pig tell us again how:
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bin Laden = masterminded 9/11
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19 college kids = successfully hi-jacked 4 commercial airplanes in the same time frame
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no hi-jacked aircraft intercepted = proper defense
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hydrocarbon fires = gravity driven collapse
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Boeing 767 = 16 ft hole in Pentagon
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NIST = scientific method
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NIST = no knowledge of nano-thermite
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Oh I forgot you can't
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Must be Magik Huh Eh !
Tell us again how anything you say reflects reality oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots STREET CORNER JEEBUS.

The only you've managed to prove during your time here is that you're a brainwashed dolt with no sense of humor.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#4775 May 28, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>There has never been any evidence nano thermite devices.
What is your point?
But he actually thinks his canned spam is proving something...

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Since: Jul 11

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#4776 May 28, 2013
pig tell us again how NIST never had anything to do with nano-thermite before or since 9/11.
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You can not.
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And you won't even try.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4777 May 28, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
We also know that the building’s structural engineer, John Skilling, considered airliner impacts and the resulting jet fuel fires in his design, and assured us “the building structure would still be there.”
Wrong, Lets look at his boss, THE ONE THAT WROTE THE REPORT!

ROBERTSON TOOK THE TIME TO CALCULATE HOW WELL HIS TOWERS WOULD HANDLE THE IMPACT FROM A BOEING 707, THE LARGEST JETLINER IN SERVICE AT THE TIME. HE SAYS THAT HIS CALCULATIONS ASSUMED A PLANE LOST IN A FOG WHILE SEARCHING FOR AN AIRPORT AT RELATIVELY LOW SPEED, LIKE THE B-25 BOMBER. He concluded that the towers would remain standing despite the force of the impact and the hole it would punch out. The new technologies he had installed after the motion experiments and wind-tunnel work had created a structure more than strong enough to withstand such a blow.

Exactly how Robertson performed these calculations is apparently lost -- he says he cannot find a copy of the report. Several engineers who worked with him at the time, including the director of his computer department, say they have no recollection of ever seeing the study. But the Port Authority, eager to mount a counterattack against Wien, seized on the results -- and may in fact have exaggerated them. One architect working for the Port Authority issued a statement to the press, covered in a prominent article in The Times, explaining that Robertson's study proved that the towers could withstand the impact of a jetliner moving at 600 miles an hour. That was perhaps three times the speed that Robertson had considered. If Robertson saw the article in the paper, he never spoke up about the discrepancy. No one else issued a correction, and the question was answered in many people's minds: the towers were as safe as could be expected, even in the most cataclysmic of circumstances.

There were only two problems. THE FIRST, OF COURSE, WAS THAT NO STUDY OF THE IMPACT OF A 600-MILE-AN-HOUR PLANE EVER EXISTED.''THAT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REALITY OF WHAT WE DID,'' ROBERTSON SNAPPED WHEN SHOWN THE PORT AUTHORITY ARCHITECT'S STATEMENT MORE THAN THREE DECADES LATER. THE SECOND PROBLEM WAS THAT NO ONE THOUGHT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FIRES THAT WOULD INEVITABLY BREAK OUT WHEN THE JETLINER'S FUEL EXPLODED, EXACTLY AS THE B-25'S HAD. AND IF WIEN WAS THE TRADE CENTER'S CASSANDRA, FIRE PROTECTION WOULD BECOME ITS ACHILLES' HEEL.
http://scott-juris.blogspot.com/The%20Height%...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4778 May 28, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
What is 9/11 Truth?– The First Steps
By Kevin Ryan
-Former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters
Laboratories
LOL, You mean the dishonest person who's area was WATER TESTING!

One of the BIG lies in the "truth" movement is that UL certifies steel. An ex-employee named Kevin Ryan, who worked as a water tester at UL, said "The buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel." He says he knows this because UL certified steel components of the World Trade Center and that someone from the company who was connected with the UL testing told him this fact.

Now for some facts the "truth" movement doesn't tell you.

UL doesn't certify steel components like a steel truss or column. They certify assemblies. That means they certified the total assembly, all put together. They also didn't replicate the impact levels. They replicated a floor system with fireproofing as it would have been before the impact. They also tested it with various fireproofing thicknesses.(See above UL test results) The test trusses were physically undamaged and had intact fireproofing for the purpose of standard rating. What this means is that Mr. Ryan doesn't even know what his former employer does, much less what it did during the World Trade Center investigation. Maybe that's why they fired him...

The other lie in the "truth" movement is the characterization of what the NIST said was the cause of the collapse.

1) The NIST NEVER said burning jet fuel was the cause of the collapse. Only that it was a factor

2) If the assembly stayed together, it only SUPPORTS the NIST hypothesis that the trusses pulled the columns in.

3) The UL test caused the test trusses to sag even with fireproofing
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4779 May 28, 2013
NIST Tests Provide Fire Resistance Data on World Trade Center Floor Systems

National Institute of Standards & Technology

Aug 27, 2004 10:14 AM

The Commerce Department’s National Institute of Standards and Technology today reported that results from a series of four fire resistance tests conducted this month on composite concrete-steel trussed floor systems typical of those used in the World Trade Center towers showed that the test structures were able to withstand standard fire conditions for between one and two hours. The tests are part of NIST’s building and fire safety investigation of the WTC disaster on Sept. 11, 2001.

The 1968 New York City building code – the code that the towers were intended but not required to meet when they were built – required a two-hour fire rating for the floor system.

Shyam Sunder, lead investigator of the NIST WTC investigation, explained that the four laboratory tests provide only a means for evaluating the relative fire resistance rating of the floor systems under standard fire conditions and according to accepted test procedures. Sunder cautioned,“These tests alone cannot be used to determine the actual performance of the floor systems in the collapse of the WTC towers. However, they are already providing valuable insight into the role that the floors may have played in causing the inward bowing of the perimeter columns minutes before both buildings collapsed.”

“The fire conditions in the towers on 9-11 were far more extreme than those to which floor systems in standard U.S. fire rating tests are subjected,” Sunder said to a group that gathered to watch yesterday’s final test at Underwriters Laboratories (UL) in Northbrook, Ill.“Our investigation’s final assessment of how the floor system performed in the WTC fires also must consider factors such as the combustible fuel load of the hijacked jets, the extent and number of floors involved, the rate of the fire spread across and between floors, ventilation conditions, and the impact of the aircraft-damaged towers’ ability to resist the fire,” Sunder said.

All four WTC floor system fire tests used the standard procedure known as ASTM E119 for rating the fire resistance of a building structural unit such as a floor system, column or beam under prescribed conditions. The tests were conducted as part of a NIST contract at two separate UL fire test laboratories to take advantage of the different capabilities available at these facilities.

The first two tests, conducted earlier this month at the UL facility in Toronto, Canada, looked at the fire performance of 11-meter (35-foot) floor systems coated with a near-uniform 19-millimeter-thick (0.75-inch) layer of fireproofing material. This is representative of the span size and as-applied average fireproofing thickness of the floor systems in the WTC towers.

http://firechief.com/news/nist-tests-wtc9835/...

Kevin Ryan is the editor of the "scholars" Journal of 911 Studies and one of the "peers" who review their so called "peer" reviewed papers like the flying elephant paper. It took the "scholars" months to debunk there own paper which Mr. Ryan should have debunked himself. Something which took me about 2 minutes.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4780 May 28, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
To that end we should note that NIST had considerable connections to nano-thermites, both before and during the WTC investigation.
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It is therefore inexplicable why NIST did not consider such materials as an explanation for the fires that burned on 9/11, and long afterward at Ground Zero.
HUH, Thermite dumps it's energy in minutes, so how did it continue to retain it's heat for long afterward.

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