Was 911 an Inside Job

Was 911 an Inside Job

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#4661 May 23, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Of course not. It was a top secret type of thermate developed by NIST and DARPA and other clandestine govie agencies for just such an operation.
Translation: Since we cannot prove it was known thermate in the dust mixture, therefore it absolutely must be a form of thermate completely unknown to the public and not just toasted speculations.

All those folk allegedly involved and not one of them, nor anyone who knows any of them, has spilled the beans, blown the whistled, squealed like a pig, sold their story to the media, become the absolute darling of the so-called truth so-called movement, nada. This from an administration that couldn't keep secret that they had the CIA out kidnapping "suspects" and dragging them off to secret prisons in other countries, or any of their other offenses against US and international law and yet this one, this really freaking big one, I guess you have to believe in magic.

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#4662 May 23, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Translation: Since we cannot prove it was known thermate in the dust mixture, therefore it absolutely must be a form of thermate completely unknown to the public and not just toasted speculations.
All those folk allegedly involved and not one of them, nor anyone who knows any of them, has spilled the beans, blown the whistled, squealed like a pig, sold their story to the media, become the absolute darling of the so-called truth so-called movement, nada. This from an administration that couldn't keep secret that they had the CIA out kidnapping "suspects" and dragging them off to secret prisons in other countries, or any of their other offenses against US and international law and yet this one, this really freaking big one, I guess you have to believe in magic.
YES you do have to believe in Magik to entertain the notion that the destruction of the WTC towers were fire-induced gravity only collapses.
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If you want to know anything at all about nano-thermites and how to make buildings this large simply fall down just ask NIST.
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They got the expertise and the Magik behind them! Huh eh !

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#4663 May 23, 2013
Bement was also a director at both Battelle and the Lord Corporation.
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Battelle (where the anthrax was made) is an organization of “experts in fundamental technologies from the five National Laboratories we manage or co-manage for the US DOE.”
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Battelle advertises their specialization in nanocomposite coatings (Battelle 2008).
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The Lord Corporation also makes high-tech coatings for military applications (Lord 2008).
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In 1999, Lord Corp was working with the Army and NASA on “advanced polymer composites, advanced metals, and multifunctional materials”(Army 1999).
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Coincidence or Magik ? Huh Eh !

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#4664 May 23, 2013
Hratch Semerjian, long-time director of NIST’s chemical division, was promoted to acting director of NIST in November 2004, and took over the WTC investigation until the completion of the report on the towers.
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Semerjian is closely linked to former NIST employee Michael Zachariah, perhaps the world’s most prominent expert on nano-thermites (Zachariah 2008).
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In fact, Semerjian and Zachariah co-authored ten papers that focus on nano-particles made of silica, ceramics and refractory particles.
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Zachariah was a major player in the Defense University Research Initiative on Nanotechnology (DURINT), a groundbreaking research effort for nano-thermites.
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They knew what not to look for all right. Made damn sure that nano-thermites were not found.
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He must think everybody else believes in Magik Huh Eh !
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And you bwunkers can stop whining about proof.
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Where is it decreed that what is posted on these pages has to have proof?

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#4665 May 23, 2013
Got ya, belief in a likely gravity driven collapse based on what I saw and have since seen and read, magic, belief in a theorized to might possibly exist super-duper secret thermate mixture that bears little if any actual resemblance to known ones and super secretly used as part of a still unexplained conspiracy by assumed government agencies, but apparently involving no actual people, sane. Thinking like that, doesn't that at least hurt the squirrel, if it doesn't kill him outright?

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#4666 May 23, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Translation: Since we cannot prove it was known thermate in the dust mixture, therefore it absolutely must be a form of thermate completely unknown to the public and not just toasted speculations.

All those folk allegedly involved and not one of them, nor anyone who knows any of them, has spilled the beans, blown the whistled, squealed like a pig, sold their story to the media, become the absolute darling of the so-called truth so-called movement, nada. This from an administration that couldn't keep secret that they had the CIA out kidnapping "suspects" and dragging them off to secret prisons in other countries, or any of their other offenses against US and international law and yet this one, this really freaking big one, I guess you have to believe in magic.
No actually its because it was thermate, because of the iron
micro spheres, because of the red/grey chips that did not dissolve in thinner, because they were explosive, because of the of the free fall. And it gets worse because the investigation failed to check for any explosive residue, and destroyed evidence, disregarded witnesses, then created a faulty computer model to try to prove its hypothesis when the model looked nothing like the real world event. The temperatures, conductivity, the way the virtual model was constructed did not match the actual buildings.

They destroyed evidence so nobody could dispute their findings. The controlled media never fairly discussed it, because the idea of it goes against their programming. The people accept it because they believe the news is the news, and repeatability means truth instead of indoctrination.

The people who did it were not as many as you imagine, and many of them are dead or compartmentalized to not be aware of what they actually did. And who wants to admit they had a hand in a crime so heinous?

Serial killers can go forever without telling folks, they are stopped when they get caught. But when the system is asked to police itself, this rarely happens.

You think the truth always cones out in the end, but how do you know what is forever secret? You don't, you only assume. Thats why critical thinking, sourcing information, and always being skeptical of power is important.

But instead, all we have is

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#4667 May 23, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
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No actually its because it was thermate, because of the iron
micro spheres, because of the red/grey chips that did not dissolve in thinner, because they were explosive, because of the of the free fall. And it gets worse because the investigation failed to check for any explosive residue, and destroyed evidence, disregarded witnesses, then created a faulty computer model to try to prove its hypothesis when the model looked nothing like the real world event. The temperatures, conductivity, the way the virtual model was constructed did not match the actual buildings.
They destroyed evidence so nobody could dispute their findings.
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The controlled media never fairly discussed it, because the idea of it goes against their programming.
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The people accept it because they believe the news is the news, and repeatability means truth instead of indoctrination.
The people who did it were not as many as you imagine, and many of them are dead or compartmentalized to not be aware of what they actually did. And who wants to admit they had a hand in a crime so heinous?
Serial killers can go forever without telling folks, they are stopped when they get caught. But when the system is asked to police itself, this rarely happens.
You think the truth always cones out in the end, but how do you know what is forever secret? You don't, you only assume. Thats why critical thinking, sourcing information, and always being skeptical of power is important.
But instead, all we have is
Insults Are Easier
To date no MSM has covered Bama's CIA background & connections or CIA & US Embassy personnel's involvement in arms-running from (Libya's only deep water port) Benghazi to Syrian rebels, which activity has recently been approved by the Senate. Now they can say so what?
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They think we believe in Magik Huh eh !

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#4668 May 23, 2013
A thermite, which bears little or no actual chemical resemblance to known varieties and is only theorized by you and others to actually exist. If there is ANYTHING other than thermite that is known to cause any of their alleged findings, there would seem to be a serious flaw in the theorized to exist thermite theory. Don't you think?

Pumpkin, you've been proffering a "secret", which all or very bad parts of, would be known by hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals on a first hand basis, not to forget to mention all the folk they might have told all or part of what they knew and did to. Hardly comparable to the secret held by A (as in one) serial killer. You just don't want to admit that it is you who not only believes in magic, but you absolutely rely on it as the basis of your beliefs.

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#4669 May 23, 2013
NIST has a long-standing partnership with NASA for the development of new nano-thermites and other nano-technological materials.
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In fact, Michael Zachariah coordinates this partnership (CNMM 2008).
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In 2003, two years before the NIST WTC report was issued, the University of Maryland College Park (UMCP) and NIST signed a memorandum of understanding to develop nano-technologies like nano-thermites (NIST 2003).
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Together, NIST and UMCP have done much work on nano-thermites (NM2 2008).
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Birds of a feather and all that! Huh eh !
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Gosh, it looks like NIST is the place to go to know about nano-thermite.
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Huh Eh

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#4670 May 23, 2013
Your argument might be a tad bit more convincing, if you were able to prove the existence any agreement between NIST and anybody to develop nano-technology, including work on on thermite, that existed PRIOR to 9/11.

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#4671 May 23, 2013
Ya, technical term is nano-thermate, made from smaller particles to allow faster ignition and more rapid cutting rate, yet still relatively quiet.

Its been written about in military notices and it exists because its logical it exists.

Now if you don't have logic, then you may need proof... Yet even when its presented, you still will deny it.

Its tough to prove something to those without logic.

Insults Are Easier

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#4672 May 24, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
Ya, technical term is nano-thermate, made from smaller particles to allow faster ignition and more rapid cutting rate, yet still relatively quiet.
Its been written about in military notices and it exists because its logical it exists.
Now if you don't have logic, then you may need proof... Yet even when its presented, you still will deny it.
Its tough to prove something to those without logic.
Insults Are Easier
Just as nano-thermate exists so do idiots..You'er an idiot and its illogical to ask for proof by your own logic..

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#4673 May 24, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
Your argument might be a tad bit more convincing, if you were able to prove the existence any agreement between NIST and anybody to develop nano-technology, including work on on thermite, that existed PRIOR to 9/11.
NIST was working with LLNL to test and characterize these sol-gel nano-thermites, at least as early as 1999 (Tillotson et al 1999).
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Forman Williams, the lead engineer on NIST’s advisory committee, and the most prominent engineering expert for Popular Mechanics, is an expert on the deflagration of energetic materials and the “ignition of porous energetic materials”(Margolis and Williams 1996, Telengator et al 1998, Margolis and Williams 1999).
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Nano-thermites are porous energetic materials.
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Additionally, Williams’ research partner, Stephen Margolis, has presented at conferences where nano-energetics are the focus (Gordon 1999).
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Yawn
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Next! Huh eh !

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#4674 May 24, 2013
AussieBobby wrote:
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Just as nano-thermate exists so do idiots..You'er an idiot and its illogical to ask for proof by your own logic..
Naa Na Na, Same to ya and more of it ya drunken sot Huh Eh !

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#4675 May 24, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Dismiss all you want. Doesn't change a thing.
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The extensive evidence that explosives were used at the WTC includes witness testimony (MacQueen 2006), overwhelming physical evidence (Griffin 2005, Hoffman et al 2005, Jones and Legge et al 2008) and simple common sense (Legge 2007).
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There is also substantial evidence that aluminothermic (thermite) materials were present at the WTC (Jones 2007), and the presence of such materials can explain the existence of intense fire where it would not otherwise have existed.
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Additionally, despite agreement from all parties that the assumed availability of fuel allowed for the fires in any given location of each of the WTC buildings to last only twenty minutes (NIST 2007), the fires lasted much longer and produced extreme temperatures (Jones and Farrer et al 2008).
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These inexplicable fires are a reminder that the WTC buildings were not simply demolished, but were demolished in a deceptive way.
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That is, the buildings were brought down so as to MAKE IT LOOK like the impact of the planes and the resulting fires might have caused their unprecedented, symmetrical destruction.
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That is why they call it CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. Huh !
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Therefore, shaped charges and other typical explosive configurations were likely used, but there was more to it than that.
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Those committing the crimes needed to create fire where it would not have existed otherwise, and draw attention toward the part of the buildings where the planes impacted (or in the case of WTC 7, away from the building altogether).
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This was most probably accomplished through the use of nano-thermites, which are high-tech energetic materials made by mixing ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminum and UFG metal oxides; usually iron oxide, molybdenum oxide or copper oxide, although other compounds can be used (Prakash 2005, Rai 2005).
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The mixing is accomplished by adding these reactants to a liquid solution where they form what are called “sols”, and then adding a gelling agent that captures these tiny reactive combinations in their intimately mixed state (LLNL 2000).
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The resulting “sol-gel” is then dried to form a porous reactive material that can be ignited in a number of ways.
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Dismiss out of hand for lack of evidence.
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It must be Magik not explosives that made these buildings fall down! Huh eh !
There was no controlled demolition or any such evidence found.

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#4676 May 24, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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NIST was working with LLNL to test and characterize these sol-gel nano-thermites, at least as early as 1999 (Tillotson et al 1999).
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Forman Williams, the lead engineer on NIST’s advisory committee, and the most prominent engineering expert for Popular Mechanics, is an expert on the deflagration of energetic materials and the “ignition of porous energetic materials”(Margolis and Williams 1996, Telengator et al 1998, Margolis and Williams 1999).
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Nano-thermites are porous energetic materials.
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Additionally, Williams’ research partner, Stephen Margolis, has presented at conferences where nano-energetics are the focus (Gordon 1999).
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Yawn
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Next! Huh eh !
Nano thermite would be useless for hi-rise building demolition because it cuts slowly through steel like a gas cutting torch.

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#4677 May 24, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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There was no controlled demolition or any such evidence found.
Who told you that? And who told them?
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Anybody can have an opinion about things I guess.
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Or believe in Magik Huh eh !
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4678 May 24, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
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No actually its because it was thermate, because of the iron
micro spheres, because of the red/grey chips that did not dissolve in thinner,
WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE UNIGNITED NANOTHERMITES THEY FOUND IN THE DUST SAMPLES IN THAT EXPERIMENT?

Niels Harritt, Steven Jones and other 9/11 controlled demolition theorists claim to have found nanothermite particles in dust samples from the World Trade Center. They made sure the dust samples were untainted, and used advanced instruments to measure what happened when these tiny red-grey chips were heated up.

Thermites reach temperatures of around 4500° and have their own oxygen supply when they burn, so they can burn underwater. Harritt, Jones, et. al. therefore should have heated up the chips in a nitrogen or argon atmosphere to eliminate the possibility that regular hydrocarbons were burning. They also failed to take the carbon-based products out of the mix, so what we may well be seeing is some kind of carbon-based product burning in oxygen. They compared the sudden energy spike of their burning chips with the spikes of known nanothermites, and found that their chips ignited at around 150° C. lower than the known nanothermites, and the energy release was off between their chips and the nanothermites by a factor of at least two. Yet they called this a match for nanothermite!

Attempts to independently replicate this experiment have been dismal. Mark Basile, who appeared in the acknowledgments of the original study, burned the chips in air, replicating the error of the original experiment and not even measuring the energy released. A chemist named Frédéric Henry-Couannier got another dust sample from the original experimenters and wrote,“Eventually the presence of nanothermite could not be confirmed.” The R.J. Lee Company did a 2003 study on the dust and didn’t find thermitic material.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4679 May 24, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
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No actually its because it was thermate, because of the iron
micro spheres,
WHAT ABOUT THOSE BILLIONS OF IRON MICROSPHERES THAT R.J. LEE FOUND IN A DUST ANALYSIS THAT PROVES THE THEORY THAT THE IRON IN THE BUILDINGS WAS MELTED BY THERMITE?

Thermite would leave tons of formerly melted iron blobs, not just microspheres. But in the 1970s, while workers welded thousands of steel beams together, hot microspheres were splattered everywhere. Concrete has fly ash in it, and I have a photo of iron-rich spheres in Tolk fly ash in my YouTube video response. Even if the microspheres were created in the fires on 9/11, the R.J. Lee dust study said,“Considering the high temperatures reached during the destruction of the WTC … Iron-rich spheres … would be expected to be present in the Dust.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20060114125157/htt...

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#4680 May 24, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Nano thermite would be useless for hi-rise building demolition because it cuts slowly through steel like a gas cutting torch.
Sorry to have to tell you this but the horse you are whipping here is already DEAD!
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The inexplicable fires lower in the buildings where no jet fuel penetrated are a reminder that the WTC buildings were not simply demolished, but were demolished in a deceptive way.
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That is, the buildings were brought down so as to make it look like the impact of the planes and the resulting fires might have caused their unprecedented, symmetrical destruction.
.
Therefore, shaped charges and other typical explosive configurations were likely used, but there was more to it than that.
.
Those committing the crimes needed to create fire where it would not have existed otherwise, and draw attention toward the part of the buildings where the planes impacted (or in the case of WTC 7, away from the building altogether).
.
This was accomplished through the use of nano-thermites, which are high-tech energetic materials made by mixing ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminum and UFG metal oxides; usually iron oxide, molybdenum oxide or copper oxide, although other compounds can be used (Prakash 2005, Rai 2005).
.
The mixing is accomplished by adding these reactants to a liquid solution where they form what are called “sols”, and then adding a gelling agent that captures these tiny reactive combinations in their intimately mixed state (LLNL 2000).
.
The resulting “sol-gel” is then dried to form a porous reactive material that can be ignited in a number of ways.
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The high surface area of the reactants within energetic sol-gels
allows for the far higher rate of energy release than is seen in
“macro” thermite mixtures, making nano-thermites “HIGH EXPLOSIVES”
as well as pyrotechnic materials (Tillotson et al 1999).
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Sol-gel nano-thermites, are often called energetic nanocomposites, metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) or superthermite (COEM 2004, Son et al 2007), and silica is often used to create the porous, structural framework (Clapsaddle et al 2004, Zhao et al 2004).
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Nano-thermites have also been made with RDX (Pivkina et al 2004), and with thermoplastic elastomers (Diaz et al 2003).
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But it is important to remember that, despite the name, nano-thermites pack a much bigger punch than typical thermite materials.
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It turns out that explosive, sol-gel nano-thermites were developed by US government scientists, at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories as early as 1998.(LLNL)(Tillotson et al 1998, Gash et al 2000, Gash et al 2002).
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These LLNL scientists reported that --
“The sol-gel process is very amenable to dip-, spin-, and spray-coating technologies to coat surfaces.
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We have utilized this property to dip-coat various substrates to make sol-gel Fe,O,/ Al / Viton coatings.
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The energetic coating dries to give a nice adherent film.
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Preliminary experiments indicate that films of the hybrid material are self-propagating when ignited by thermal stimulus”.
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So nano-thermites/thermates would be the EXPLOSIVE of choice in demolishing the WTC towers if you wanted to rig the buildings without anyone being the wiser and to make it look like a top down collapse.
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No Magik needed here! Huh eh !

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