Was 911 an Inside Job

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Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4287 May 3, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
2. United States
Federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of a Federal Tort Claims Act,
YES, Only under the Tort claims act which has to do with negligence done to third parties, In other words if a board member runs over a kid with his car the US Governement can not be sued.

The law is like that, your residence/jurisdiction under voting laws is entirely different than your residence/jurisdiction under taxation laws.

BUT HEY, Can you tell ME WHAT OTHER TOTALLY PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT

The Board is of Governors of the Federal Reserve is a 7-member panel who is appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate (12 USCA §241).

Thus, all the key monetary policy decisions -- the ones that affect interest rates -- are made by a government agency whose members are selected by the President of the United States. The Fed may be privately owned, but it is controlled by the government.

Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4288 May 3, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Examination of the charts and text in the House Banking Committee Staff Report of August, 1976 and the current stockholders list of the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks show this same family control.
WRONG!

York Fed and the other Federal Reserve Banks. The New York Fed reports that its eight largest member banks on June 30, 1997 were:

Chase Manhatten Bank
Citibank
Morgan Guaranty Trust Company
Fleet Bank
Bankers Trust
Bank of New York
Marine Midland Bank, and
Summit Bank.3

All of the major shareholders seen here and all of the banks on the complete list are either nationally- or state-charted banks. All of them are American-owned.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4289 May 3, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
The two principal Rothschild representatives in New York, J. P. Morgan Co., and Kuhn,Loeb & Co. were the firms which set up the Jekyll Island Conference at which the Federal Reserve Act was drafted,
LMFAO, Jekyll island, How many times have I heard that myth!

The plan was rejected.

The Aldrich Plan called for a system of fifteen regional central banks, called National Reserve Associations, whose actions would be coordinated by a national board of commercial bankers. The Reserve Association would make emergency loans to member banks, create money to provide an elastic currency that could be exchanged equally for demand deposits, and would act as a fiscal agent for the federal government. Although it was defeated, the Aldrich Plan served as an outline for the bill that eventually was adopted.

The problem with the Aldrich Plan was that the regional banks would be controlled individually and nationally by bankers, a prospect that did not sit well with the populist Democratic party or with Wilson. As the debate began to take shape in the spring of 1913, Congressman Arsene Pujo provided good evidence that the nation’s credit markets were under the tight control of a handful of banks – the "money trusts" against which Wilson warned.1 Wilson and the Democrats wanted a reform measure which would decentralize control away from the money trusts.

The legislation that eventually emerged was the Federal Reserve Act, also known at the time as the Currency Bill, or the Owen-Glass Act. The bill called for a system of eight to twelve mostly autonomous regional Reserve Banks that would be owned by the banks in their region and whose actions would be coordinated by a Federal Reserve Board appointed by the President. The Board’s members originally included the Secretary of the Treasury, the Comptroller of the Currency, and other officials appointed by the President to represent public interests. The proposed Federal Reserve System would therefore be privately owned, but publicly controlled. Wilson signed the bill on December 23, 1913 and the Federal Reserve System was born.6
Chickpea

Lincoln, NE

#4290 May 3, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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Who is it who tells the "Board" what to do?
The GOVERNMENT!

Finally, at the top of the structure chart is the Board of Governors.

THE BOARD IS A 7-MEMBER PANEL WHO IS APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE (12 USCA §241).

The Board's current Chair is Alan Greenspan. Among its responsibilities:

• Determine open market policies
• Set the required reserve ratio for member banks
• Set the Discount Rate
• Deciding how much new currency to print
• Monitor the health of the U.S. economy
• Report to Congress periodically on the state of the U.S. economy

It's single most important duty is deciding its open market policy, that is, whether it should order the Federal Reserve Banks to buy or sell government bonds, and if so, how much. This decision is made in conjunction with the Federal Open Market Committee. The FOMC is a 12-member panel can consists of all the Board members, the president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, and 4 presidents from the other Federal Reserve Banks on a rotating basis. The presidents are appointed by each Bank's board of directors, pending approval from the Board of Governors (12 USCA §341).

THUS, ALL THE KEY MONETARY POLICY DECISIONS -- THE ONES THAT AFFECT INTEREST RATES -- ARE MADE BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY WHOSE MEMBERS ARE SELECTED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE FED MAY BE PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT IT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
PETE

Santa Cruz, CA

#4291 May 3, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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WTF wants to know?
I'm Argo.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#4292 May 3, 2013
Argo who ?

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#4293 May 3, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
YES, Only under the Tort claims act which has to do with negligence done to third parties, In other words if a board member runs over a kid with his car the US Governement can not be sued.
The law is like that, your residence/jurisdiction under voting laws is entirely different than your residence/jurisdiction under taxation laws.
BUT HEY, Can you tell ME WHAT OTHER TOTALLY PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT
The Board is of Governors of the Federal Reserve is a 7-member panel who is appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate (12 USCA §241).
Thus, all the key monetary policy decisions -- the ones that affect interest rates -- are made by a government agency whose members are selected by the President of the United States. The Fed may be privately owned, but it is controlled by the government.
Is the Fed privately owned or not and which side of your mouth are you talking out of?
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And who tells the POTUS what to do? Or did he take a crash course in world economics since being illegally elected?
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Believe In Magik Much ? Huh Eh !
PETE

Santa Cruz, CA

#4294 May 3, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Argo who ?
Argo fk yourself.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#4295 May 3, 2013
Why is the Federal Reserve System "criminal"?
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Because the U.S. Constitution proclaims itself to be the "supreme Law of the Land" (see Article VI), and Article I, Section VIII of the Constitution states that "The Congress shall (Constitutionally speaking, "shall" has been legally defined as "must")...coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures."
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Why Congress? Because it is answerable to the People it represents! Remember, our Constitutional Republic was meant to be representational government!
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We're a long way from that now! The Federal Reserve is NOT Congress; it is unelected, meaning nonrepresentational, and being therefore unconstitutional, it is illegal, hence "criminal."
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But Not If You Believe In Magik Huh eh !
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4297 May 4, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Why is the Federal Reserve System "criminal"?
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Because the U.S. Constitution proclaims itself to be the "supreme Law of the Land" (see Article VI), and Article I, Section VIII of the Constitution states that "The Congress shall (Constitutionally speaking, "shall" has been legally defined as "must")...coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures."
Sorry, Not what the law says and do you really expect THE ACTUAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO PHYSICALLY COIN MONEY

CONGRESS HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE ANY LAW THAT IS 'NECESSARY AND PROPER' FOR THE EXECUTION OF ITS ENUMERATED POWERS (ART. I, SEC. 8, CL. 18). A LAW CREATING A BUREAU OF THE MINT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS NECESSARY AND PROPER FOR THE CONGRESS TO EXERCISE ITS RIGHT TO COIN MONEY. A SIMILAR ARGUMENT MAY JUSTIFY A CENTRAL BANK. IT FACILITATES THE EXPANSION AND CONTRACTION OF THE MONEY SUPPLY AND IT SERVES AS MEANS TO REGULATE THE BANKING INDUSTRY.

The Supreme Court had its say on the matter in McCulloch v. Maryland (1819). It voted 9-0 to uphold the Second Bank of the United States as constitutional. The Court argued with the doctrine of implied powers, stating that to be ‘necessary and proper’ the Bank needed only to be useful in helping the government meet its responsibilities in maintaining the public credit and regulating the money supply. Chief Justice Marshall wrote,“After the most deliberate consideration, it is the unanimous and decided opinion of this court that the act to incorporate the Bank of the United States is a law made in pursuance of the Constitution, and is part of the supreme law of the land”(Hixson, 117). The Court affirmed this opinion in the 1824 case Osborn v. Bank of the United States (Ibid, 14).

Therefore, the historical legal precedent exists for Congress' power to create a central bank. It formed the Federal Reserve system in 1913 to perform many of the same functions as its predecessors. As before, the courts have agreed that a central bank, and the Federal Reserve in particular, is constitutional.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4298 May 4, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the Fed privately owned or not and which side of your mouth are you talking out of?
DEPENDS.

In a car wreck the board member is a private citizen!

YES, Only under the Tort claims act which has to do with negligence done to third parties, In other words if a board member runs over a kid with his car the US Governement can not be sued.

The law is like that, your residence/jurisdiction under voting laws is entirely different than your residence/jurisdiction under taxation laws.

BUT HEY, Can you tell ME WHAT OTHER TOTALLY PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT

The Board is of Governors of the Federal Reserve is a 7-member panel who is appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate (12 USCA §241).

Thus, all the key monetary policy decisions -- the ones that affect interest rates -- are made by a government agency whose members are selected by the President of the United States. The Fed may be privately owned, but it is controlled by the government.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4299 May 4, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the Fed privately owned or not and which side of your mouth are you talking out of?
AND UNDER MONETARY POLICY IF IS QUASI PUBLIC!

THUS, ALL THE KEY MONETARY POLICY DECISIONS -- THE ONES THAT AFFECT INTEREST RATES -- ARE MADE BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY WHOSE MEMBERS ARE SELECTED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE FED MAY BE PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT IT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

At the top of the structure chart is the Board of Governors.

THE BOARD IS A 7-MEMBER PANEL WHO IS APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE (12 USCA §241).

The Board's current Chair is Alan Greenspan. Among its responsibilities:

• Determine open market policies
• Set the required reserve ratio for member banks
• Set the Discount Rate
• Deciding how much new currency to print
• Monitor the health of the U.S. economy
• Report to Congress periodically on the state of the U.S. economy

It's single most important duty is deciding its open market policy, that is, whether it should order the Federal Reserve Banks to buy or sell government bonds, and if so, how much. This decision is made in conjunction with the Federal Open Market Committee. The FOMC is a 12-member panel can consists of all the Board members, the president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, and 4 presidents from the other Federal Reserve Banks on a rotating basis. The presidents are appointed by each Bank's board of directors, pending approval from the Board of Governors (12 USCA §341).

THUS, ALL THE KEY MONETARY POLICY DECISIONS -- THE ONES THAT AFFECT INTEREST RATES -- ARE MADE BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY WHOSE MEMBERS ARE SELECTED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE FED MAY BE PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT IT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#4300 May 4, 2013
Hey that's just like you! Sorry Charlie Sheen might be a private citizen but you are controlled by the official government story line. LOL
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Alan Greenspan hasn't been the chairman of the Fed board for 6 years.
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Where do you get this stuff?
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Oh I forgot you believe In Magik Huh eh !
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4301 May 4, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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Alan Greenspan hasn't been the chairman of the Fed board for 6 years.
Seven ACTUALLY, is that your full rebuttal? LMFAO!
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4302 May 4, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
H
Where do you get this stuff?
This THAT says the CONGRESS CAN DELEGATE POWERS, thus you claim that MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE TO PHYSICALLY COIN MONEY as some sort of night job or they are violating the law.

I GOT IT FROM THE US CONSTITUTIONS!

CONGRESS HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE ANY LAW THAT IS 'NECESSARY AND PROPER' FOR THE EXECUTION OF ITS ENUMERATED POWERS (ART. I, SEC. 8, CL. 18). A LAW CREATING A BUREAU OF THE MINT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS NECESSARY AND PROPER FOR THE CONGRESS TO EXERCISE ITS RIGHT TO COIN MONEY.

You lose 20 Pilot boy, Once again you have no idea what you are talking about, huge Plate Steel shocker there!

“Protest / support the marchers”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#4303 May 4, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
Your ignorance of the FR is amazing, tell me how it is illegal, big clue, it's been through the Court's, it's not.
And the FR has no stockholders in any traditional sense as the Fed makes no profit so nor would the stockholders.
There’s no limit to your stupidity. You’re actually do dumb you thought you could make up lies and get away with it?
It's a CORPORATION, registered in Delaware, and the stockholders who founded it are from the richest banking family on earth.
Conservative morons attack the protesters who are in touch with reality and keep saying ‘End the Fed‘. Conservatives are traitors because they defend Fed treason.

The Courts? When? Village idiot, America's legal system is the most sophisticated form of organized crime in history.
Who finances bar associations? Lawyers finance those PRIVATE organizations to protect the worst lawyers from being disbarred.
Why aren't all those district attorneys prosecuted for deliberately prosecuting the innocent? Because the law makes it illegal to hold them accountable for their felonies -- not in civil or criminal courts.

You’d know all that if you conservatives weren’t so lazy you depend on the Elite to spoon feed lies to you. Intelligent people went to the site I keep posting and did the WORK (Oh no, work!) of learning (Oh no, education!). You CHOOSE to be ignorant because YOU are the one who's lazy, not the out-of-work people you people attack.

Conservatives demand capital punishment against the innocent, demand the Fed bankers’ N W O, etc. because they consistently want injustice and treason. Conservatives will eventually get the persecution they deserve when the Fed traitors start enforcing the Patriot Act, etc. against them.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#4304 May 4, 2013
Protester wrote:
<quoted text>
There’s no limit to your stupidity. You’re actually do dumb you thought you could make up lies and get away with it?
It's a CORPORATION, registered in Delaware, and the stockholders who founded it are from the richest banking family on earth.
Conservative morons attack the protesters who are in touch with reality and keep saying ‘End the Fed‘. Conservatives are traitors because they defend Fed treason.
The Courts? When? Village idiot, America's legal system is the most sophisticated form of organized crime in history.
Who finances bar associations? Lawyers finance those PRIVATE organizations to protect the worst lawyers from being disbarred.
Why aren't all those district attorneys prosecuted for deliberately prosecuting the innocent? Because the law makes it illegal to hold them accountable for their felonies -- not in civil or criminal courts.
You’d know all that if you conservatives weren’t so lazy you depend on the Elite to spoon feed lies to you. Intelligent people went to the site I keep posting and did the WORK (Oh no, work!) of learning (Oh no, education!). You CHOOSE to be ignorant because YOU are the one who's lazy, not the out-of-work people you people attack.
Conservatives demand capital punishment against the innocent, demand the Fed bankers’ N W O, etc. because they consistently want injustice and treason. Conservatives will eventually get the persecution they deserve when the Fed traitors start enforcing the Patriot Act, etc. against them.
Anarchist. Be careful what you wish for.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#4305 May 4, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
This THAT says the CONGRESS CAN DELEGATE POWERS, thus you claim that MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE TO PHYSICALLY COIN MONEY as some sort of night job or they are violating the law.
I GOT IT FROM THE US CONSTITUTIONS!
CONGRESS HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE ANY LAW THAT IS 'NECESSARY AND PROPER' FOR THE EXECUTION OF ITS ENUMERATED POWERS (ART. I, SEC. 8, CL. 18). A LAW CREATING A BUREAU OF THE MINT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS NECESSARY AND PROPER FOR THE CONGRESS TO EXERCISE ITS RIGHT TO COIN MONEY.
You lose 20 Pilot boy, Once again you have no idea what you are talking about, huge Plate Steel shocker there!
Who is the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve?
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4306 May 4, 2013
Protester wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a CORPORATION, registered in Delaware, and the stockholders who founded it are from the richest banking family on earth.
YAWN!

Is the Federal Reserve a privately owned corporation?
Yes and no.

The Federal Reserve (the Fed) enjoys a unique public/private structure that operates within the government, but is still relatively independent of government to isolate the Fed from day-to-day political pressures in fulfilling its varying roles. As stated in The Federal Reserve System Purposes &

Functions:
The Federal Reserve System is considered to be an independent central bank. It is so, however, only in the sense that its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive branch of the government. The entire System is subject to oversight by the U.S. Congress….the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government.
History

Prior to the Fed’s formation, the United States experienced a number of economic downturns and financial panics. To help alleviate the problems associated with these swings in the economy, President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. The act’s opening paragraph outlines its varying functions:

An Act to provide for the establishment of Federal reserve banks, to furnish an elastic currency, to afford means of rediscounting commercial paper, to establish a more effective supervision of banking in the United States, and for other purposes.
Since 1913, legislation has passed to augment some of the act’s original purposes and to clarify the varying roles of the Fed.
Structure

Congress set up the Federal Reserve System to make it autonomous and to isolate it from day-to-day political pressures. For example, the members of the Board of Governors are appointed to serve 14-year terms that do not coincide with presidential terms. Key components of the Federal Reserve System are:
The Board of Governors—Located in Washington, D.C., Board members are appointed by the U.S. President and confirmed by the U.S. Senate. Board members and staff are civil service employees.
The 12 regional Reserve Banks—Located around the country, the 12 Federal Reserve Banks are chartered as private corporations. Employees are not civil service.

The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC)—Composed of the Federal Reserve Governors and the Federal Reserve Bank presidents, the FOMC is charged with conducting monetary policy.

The 12 Federal Reserve Banks operate like other businesses; each has its own board of directors that selects the Reserve Bank president and first vice president, with approval from the Board of Governors. Each Branch of a Reserve Bank has its own board of directors. A majority of these directors are appointed by the Branch’s Reserve Bank; the others are appointed by the Board of Governors.

While Congress establishes key objectives the Fed must follow, the Fed generally works independently of the federal government to administer its core responsibilities.
Those duties include:

Conducting monetary policy
Supervising and regulating banking and financial institutions
Providing payments services to financial institutions
The 12 Federal Reserve Banks have “independent” research staffs that advise their Reserve Bank presidents on monetary policy and the economy. Each Reserve Bank also has regulatory responsibilities including the supervision and regulation of financial institutions. The Reserve Banks also handle the Federal Reserve System’s business operations—it is in this area that Reserve Banks operate more like private businesses, selling services like electronic funds transfers, check processing, and coin and currency services to financial institutions.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#4307 May 4, 2013
Protester wrote:
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and the stockholders who founded it are from the richest banking family on earth.
Congress are the richest banking family on earth? LMFAO!

The Federal Reserve Act (ch. 6, 38 Stat. 251, enacted December 23, 1913, 12 U.S.C. ch. 3) is an Act of Congress that created and set up the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States of America, and granted it the legal authority to issue Federal Reserve Notes (now commonly known as the U.S. Dollar) and Federal Reserve Bank Notes as legal tender. The Act was signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson.

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