Was 911 an Inside Job

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“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#3408 Mar 26, 2013
Kev wrote:
The Twin Towers and World trade center builds fell faster than free- fall. This means there was no resistance from the walls when they fell. If you have any sense of how building engineering, structural engineering, and physics, you will know that it is impossible for buildings to fall faster than gravity. Only in one case that can happen. EXPLOSIVES!. You can try to blame this on the jet fuel but most if not all burned up in seconds. Jet fuel burns up at the temp of Jet fuel burns at 1400 degrees. Steel melts at 2750 degrees. you may think that if was the funiture and paper etc.. in the building. It was not. Buildings have codes to follow and most things are fire retardant and design with this in mind. If you look at the dark smoke coming out of the building it proves that these fires were starved of oxygen.

Also, On February 13, 1975, the WTC North Tower was beset by a fire, which "burned at temperatures in excess of 700°C (1,292°F) for over three hours and spread over some 65 percent of the 11th floor, including the core, caused no serious structural damage to the steel structure. In particular, no trusses needed to be replaced."
Faster than free fall now proxy sock?

Did they have rockets attached to the steel to achieve that?

Oh and you'll have to prove the only way for free fall to occur is by explosives or incendiaries.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#3409 Mar 26, 2013
Kev wrote:
<quoted text>I studied engineering at M.I.T. and at A&M. I do know what I am talking about and so do other engineers from top ranking schools and even the military. In the 9/11 commission report they said that the fuel heated up and weakened the steal and collapsed the buildings. Fact there were nano particals of explosives and thermite found in air sample from ground zero. Do I have to explain to you how thermite works? Again buildings cant and never can fall faster than gravity unless there are explosives involved.

The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall. So let's start by using our trusty free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to free-fall from the towers' former height.

Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time(squared)

or

2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared)

Time(squared)=(2 x Distance)/ Gravity

Time(squared)= 2710 / 32 = 84.7

Time = 9.2

So our equation tells us that it will take 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the ground from the towers' former height.

Using our simpler equation, V = GT, we can see that at 9.2 seconds, in order to reach the ground in 9.2 seconds, the free-falling object's velocity must be about 295 ft/sec, which is just over 200 mph.

But that can only occur in a vacuum.

Since the WTC was at sea level, in Earth's atmosphere, you might be able to imagine how much air resistance that represents.(Think about putting your arm out the window of a car moving half that fast!) Most free-falling objects would reach their terminal velocity long before they reached 200 mph. For example, the commonly-accepted terminal velocity of a free-falling human is around 120 mph. The terminal velocity of a free-falling cat is around 60 mph.(source)

Therefore, air resistance alone will make it take longer than 10 seconds for gravity to pull an object to the ground from the towers' former height.

On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower "collapsed" in 10 seconds. Here is the exact quote: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds".

In order for the tower to have "collapsed" gravitationally, as we've been told over and over again, in the observed duration, one or more of the following zany-sounding conditions must have been met:

The undamaged stories below the impact zone offered zero resistance to the collapse
The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any expenditure of energy
On 9/11, gravity was much stronger than gravity
On 9/11, energy was not conserved
However, none of these physics-violating conditions can be accounted for by the official government conspiracy theory of 9/11, nor by any of the subsequent analyses designed to prop up the official theory of 9/11.

Bottom line: the government/PBS/PM/SA explanation for the WTC "collapses" fails the most basic conservation-of-energy reality check. Therefore the government/PBS/PM/SA theory does not fit the observed facts; the notion of a "pancake collapse" cannot account for what happened. The "pancake collapse theory" explanation is impossible, and thus absurd.
You've already proven you have no clue about engineering proxy sock...sorry.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#3410 Mar 26, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Faster than free fall now proxy sock?
Did they have rockets attached to the steel to achieve that?
Oh and you'll have to prove the only way for free fall to occur is by explosives or incendiaries.
A good reason for the government NOT to test for the presence of explosives or incendiaries since freefall acceleration DID occur.
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And the only way for gravity alone to propel the towers downward at that speed is for all the resistance to be removed by the explosives that were conveniently NOT tested for.
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Good job debunking your own rebuttal mu shu pig meat pot sticker.
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You Really Do Believe In Magic Don't You!?!?!?!?!? Huh Eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#3411 Mar 26, 2013
I nor anybody else has to PROVE anything to anyone.
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If you don't like what is presented here FOOK OFF.
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Unless Of Course You Believe In Magic Huh Eh !
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In That Case STFU Huh Eh !

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#3412 Mar 26, 2013
Kev wrote:
Project Northwoods had everything to do with here. Northwoods was a plan proposed by Government officials wanting Kennedy to during the cuban missle crisis, to shoot people on American soil and blame it on Cuba.
Sweetie, the existence of previous false flag operations imagined and/or conducted by the US government is not proof this was one. You might as well be saying that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident and the sinking of the Maine are proof that 9/11 had to be a false flag operation.
Kev wrote:
1. I don't know where those people are. Collateral damage? There was a news report that said that flight 93 was grounded at one time. Cheney this month has claimed that he shot that plane down. There is video proof during the 9/11 commission where this claim is true. It was omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report.
There was a whole lot of inaccurate and badly informed "reporting" on 9/11, that's what happens in the rush to be first and live television.
Kev wrote:
2. In 2001 you could not make cell phone calls from a plane and make connection. This has been proved also. Plane phones are a different story.
And yet multiple cell calls went through, as well as air phone calls. A number of them were recorded, people talked to people they knew. But of course, this was all impossible in 2001. Even though from personal experience I know you're wrong and if you were bouncing off AT&T's network, making and even receiving cell calls in flight was not usually a problem unless you were flying some distance from urban areas away from the coasts.
Kev wrote:
3. Yes, I can show you video after video of news reporters, firemen, police men and city officials saying that ther were bombs going off in the basement.
Yes dear, people kept hearing and witnessing explosions in areas of the buildings that weren't directly impacted by the jets. The force of the impact affected multiple floors of each building. No one reports seeing bombs, they witnessed explosions, they assumed bombs were the cause. Aside from a few burnt speculations, there has been no report of any explosive, incendiary or other residues that would indicate the presence of "bombs".
Kev wrote:
4. I don't deny that planes hit the building.
So, you're not completely misinformed. It's a start.
Kev wrote:
5. No, Nist, FEMA and the government was shipped off and sent to China. There are protocals and proceedures ignored on the handling of the buildings.
The crime scene was a multistory high pile of burning toxic debris shutting down several square miles of the city, keeping hundreds of thousands out of work and thousands out of their homes. It needed to be cleared quickly and the investigation conducted off site. Yes some of the steel was shipped off for recycling, but the steel from the relevant portions of the building was all studied when it was recovered. If you want WTC steel, there is still plenty of it around, all over the country.
Kev wrote:
And you want to blame heat and fire on the outer structure. Then what about building 7? Hardly any fires. and if fell in less than 6 seconds in free fall. Even the building owner on PBS ommitted that this building was "pulled" which is a term in the building and explosive community for bringing down a building with explosives.
Yes dear, much has been made of Silverstein's recorded "pulled" comment. To think that someone allegedly in on the plot would give such an order in a conversation he knew to be being recorded kind of defies imagination, don't it? I know a number of people who were in WTC 7 when this happened, I used to work as a consultant for a previous incarnation of the company that it was its primary tenant. You really have no idea.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#3413 Mar 26, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
A good reason for the government NOT to test for the presence of explosives or incendiaries since freefall acceleration DID occur.
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And the only way for gravity alone to propel the towers downward at that speed is for all the resistance to be removed by the explosives that were conveniently NOT tested for.
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Good job debunking your own rebuttal mu shu pig meat pot sticker.
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You Really Do Believe In Magic Don't You!?!?!?!?!? Huh Eh !
Really?

http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf

Get back to me if you can actually refute this.
SWEETIE

Frankfurt Am Main, Germany

#3414 Mar 26, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Sweetie, the existence of previous false flag operations imagined and/or conducted by the US government is not proof this was one. You might as well be saying that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident and the sinking of the Maine are proof that 9/11 had to be a false flag operation.
<quoted text>There was a whole lot of inaccurate and badly informed "reporting" on 9/11, that's what happens in the rush to be first and live television.
<quoted text>And yet multiple cell calls went through, as well as air phone calls. A number of them were recorded, people talked to people they knew. But of course, this was all impossible in 2001. Even though from personal experience I know you're wrong and if you were bouncing off AT&T's network, making and even receiving cell calls in flight was not usually a problem unless you were flying some distance from urban areas away from the coasts.
<quoted text>Yes dear, people kept hearing and witnessing explosions in areas of the buildings that weren't directly impacted by the jets. The force of the impact affected multiple floors of each building. No one reports seeing bombs, they witnessed explosions, they assumed bombs were the cause. Aside from a few burnt speculations, there has been no report of any explosive, incendiary or other residues that would indicate the presence of "bombs".
<quoted text>So, you're not completely misinformed. It's a start.
<quoted text>The crime scene was a multistory high pile of burning toxic debris shutting down several square miles of the city, keeping hundreds of thousands out of work and thousands out of their homes. It needed to be cleared quickly and the investigation conducted off site. Yes some of the steel was shipped off for recycling, but the steel from the relevant portions of the building was all studied when it was recovered. If you want WTC steel, there is still plenty of it around, all over the country.
<quoted text>Yes dear, much has been made of Silverstein's recorded "pulled" comment. To think that someone allegedly in on the plot would give such an order in a conversation he knew to be being recorded kind of defies imagination, don't it? I know a number of people who were in WTC 7 when this happened, I used to work as a consultant for a previous incarnation of the company that it was its primary tenant. You really have no idea.
Are you trying to show your older side? Why are you saying "sweetie" so much? You dont have the half of the balls that your mother had calling others seeetie. It's really annoying.
Not to your target, clearly - that you have utterly failed to do.
Is it because you are gay and you lust for men?

“Earth Science”

Since: Jan 10

MI

#3415 Mar 26, 2013
SAL wrote:
Was the 1865 US Civil War an 'inside job'?
ww 1 & 2?
Our problem is very old and has no solution.
You could argue yes, actually (at least for WW II), because we heard MONTHS in advance they were planning the attack, then decided to ship out most of our anti-air equipment, and THEN scheduled an air-raid drill, so if there was an attack we wouldn't realize until people started getting blown up. That sounds like some pretty crappy planning, or an inside job. Take your pick (but I don't think US commanders were that stupid).

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3416 Mar 26, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
I would say that you are spouting what you are told to say.
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All you can muster is what I say is nonsense, and what you saw on TV was "real".
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THE 45 AMATEUR VIDEOS: A Formidable Fakery Festival
1) CLONED IMAGERY: As we compare the amateur videos, one by one, even the layman will notice their obvious falseness. Many simply turn out to be different versions (cropped/warped/seam-carved) of a single scenery. The shots compared below are purportedly authored by five different cameramen. The sheer goofiness of the 9/11 image fakery crew is, in fact, breathtaking:
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See for yourself. But then why would you bother? There it is
in color and B/W so it must be real. You also saw it on TV so it really is real, isn't it?
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http://www.septemberclues.info/
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Do You Believe In Magic ? Wag The Dog Was Real, 9/11 Was Not.
I saw one where the guy was video taping the first burning tower. These guys were discussing the possibilities when the second one hit. How could that be computer morphing dude? There are many just like that and news cameras as well. Thousands of people on the street to confirm what was recorded. You are delusional.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3417 Mar 26, 2013
SWEETIE wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you trying to show your older side? Why are you saying "sweetie" so much? You dont have the half of the balls that your mother had calling others seeetie. It's really annoying.
Not to your target, clearly - that you have utterly failed to do.
Is it because you are gay and you lust for men?
Hi Adam.

Bye Adam.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#3418 Mar 26, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>A good reason for the government NOT to test for the presence of explosives or incendiaries since freefall acceleration DID occur.
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And the only way for gravity alone to propel the towers downward at that speed is for all the resistance to be removed by the explosives that were conveniently NOT tested for.
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Good job debunking your own rebuttal mu shu pig meat pot sticker.
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You Really Do Believe In Magic Don't You!?!?!?!?!? Huh Eh !
There's nothing even remotely contradictory in my post oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots glop but thanks for failing reading comprehension...again!

And the claim that explosives is the only way to achieve free fall is yet unsupported.

Btw, why haven't any twoofers shown that free fall is inherent in all the many controlled demolition videos available on the net?

Ya know, to show correlation rather than just mindlessly claiming it.

And what about the the collapse as a whole which was slower than free fall?

Was just part of it a cd and the rest not?

And how about that time you were knee high to a grassy knoll and you threw a match into a big 'ol bucket of gas and it didn't light on fire?

Oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots glop, perhaps you should answer with your pretend engineer proxy socky!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3419 Mar 26, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
There's nothing even remotely contradictory in my post oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots glop but thanks for failing reading comprehension...again!
And the claim that explosives is the only way to achieve free fall is yet unsupported.
Btw, why haven't any twoofers shown that free fall is inherent in all the many controlled demolition videos available on the net?
Ya know, to show correlation rather than just mindlessly claiming it.
And what about the the collapse as a whole which was slower than free fall?
Was just part of it a cd and the rest not?
And how about that time you were knee high to a grassy knoll and you threw a match into a big 'ol bucket of gas and it didn't light on fire?
Oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots glop, perhaps you should answer with your pretend engineer proxy socky!
I came to the realization that the 9/11 conspiracy happened inside the minds of Twoofers. Guess it was an inside job after all. ROTFLMAO

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#3420 Mar 26, 2013
When was the last time explosives were used in the demolition of a steel framed hi rise building, what was that last buildings name, and where was it located?
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Just wondering.
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Or Do You Believe In Magic? Huh Eh !


“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#3421 Mar 26, 2013
IT'S TIME TO AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE CORP.
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Help pass Ron Pauls Audit the Fed bill (H.R. 24/S. 209).
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As you know, this legislation would authorize a full Government Accountability Office (GAO) audit of the Federal Reserve the first such thorough audit in the Feds 100-year history!
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This would clearly show the American people how the Fed facilitates big spending by Congress while bailing out and propping up big (American and foreign) banks and their other insider friends.
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Last year, Ron Pauls Audit the Fed legislation passed the House of Representatives with a three-fourths majority and polls have shown over 70% of Americans support auditing the Federal Reserve!
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Yet Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has so far refused to bring Audit the Fed up for a vote.
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So its vital you make your voice heard by attending a Town Hall meeting and asking your senators and/or representative to cosponsor Ron Pauls Audit the Fed bill.
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Your representative and senators Town Hall meeting schedules should be available on their websites and in your local media.
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Unless You Believe In The Magik Of Amerika Huh Eh !

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3422 Mar 26, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
When was the last time explosives were used in the demolition of a steel framed hi rise building, what was that last buildings name, and where was it located?
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Just wondering.
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Or Do You Believe In Magic? Huh Eh !
It was twenty-six stories high. It took 3 tons of plating per floor and 800lbs of explosives. It took months of planning using computer simulations. It proves the nothing at the WTC was demolished using explosive demolition procedures.

You Believe in Magic Huh?

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#3423 Mar 26, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Project Northwoods has nothing to do with anything here.
1. Planes were hijacked. The evidence shows the hijackers boarding the planes and passing through airport security.
2. Phone calls were made from the planes describing the hijacking and one verbal exchange was head by ATC.
3. There is plenty of evidence such as thousands of eye witnesses and video footage of what actually happened.
4. Airplane debris was recovered at the scenes.
5. Other aircraft pilots also witnessed what happened.
6. ATF and FBI forensic teams collected and documented evidence.
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1. Planes were hijacked. The evidence shows the hijackers boarding the planes and passing through airport security.
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There is no photographic evidence of the alleged hijackers boarding the planes and going thru security.
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2. Phone calls were made from the planes describing the hijacking and one verbal exchange was head by ATC.
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These phone calls were phony.(sic)

3. There is plenty of evidence such as thousands of eye witnesses and video footage of what actually happened.
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Everyone knows lower Manhattan does not have thousands of people with nothing to do but look up and watch the sky at this time of the morning.
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4. Airplane debris was recovered at the scenes.
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What little debris alleged to be from the aircraft that was gathered was never identified by serial number back to the aircraft's maintenance records for a positive identification.
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5. Other aircraft pilots also witnessed what happened.
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What were the names of these alleged pilots who allegedly witnessed what happened?
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6. ATF and FBI forensic teams collected and documented evidence.
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None of which was ever revealed to the public for inspection.
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All of the above are spurious and unsubstantiated claims and are hereby rejected.
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Unless You Believe In Government Magik ! Huh eh

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3424 Mar 26, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
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1. Planes were hijacked. The evidence shows the hijackers boarding the planes and passing through airport security.
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There is no photographic evidence of the alleged hijackers boarding the planes and going thru security.
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2. Phone calls were made from the planes describing the hijacking and one verbal exchange was head by ATC.
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These phone calls were phony.(sic)
3. There is plenty of evidence such as thousands of eye witnesses and video footage of what actually happened.
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Everyone knows lower Manhattan does not have thousands of people with nothing to do but look up and watch the sky at this time of the morning.
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4. Airplane debris was recovered at the scenes.
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What little debris alleged to be from the aircraft that was gathered was never identified by serial number back to the aircraft's maintenance records for a positive identification.
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5. Other aircraft pilots also witnessed what happened.
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What were the names of these alleged pilots who allegedly witnessed what happened?
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6. ATF and FBI forensic teams collected and documented evidence.
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None of which was ever revealed to the public for inspection.
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All of the above are spurious and unsubstantiated claims and are hereby rejected.
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Unless You Believe In Government Magik ! Huh eh
There is photographic evidence of the hijackers passing through airport security. Not only that, Airline personnel also identified them. That would be considered irrefutable evidence in any court of law.

There were thousands of people in Manhattan on the streets going to work. I think they would know what they saw. You made a claim of using Photoshop. There are evidence pictures, videos and witnesses who saw the jet engine in the street. Looks like your opinion is wrong. These too would be considered irrefutable evidence in a court of law.

There was quite a few aircraft skin fragments but much of the airplanes penetrated the buildings proving again, that your Photoshop claim is false. What about serial numbers? Are you saying the planes with were seen leaving nearby airports and tracked on radar were substituted? If so, where did they go? What about the phone calls which were also witnessed and documented by many impartial people such as Airline personnel and close relatives? Your claim about serial numbers is meaningless given all the other evidence.

The evidence is available and also on the internet. Why lie about it?

Since: May 10

YOUR MOM'S HOUSE

#3425 Mar 26, 2013
1. WRONG
2. WRONG
3. WRONG You are a Moron, there are tens of thousands of people in lower Manhattan every day and EVERYBODY was looking up after first impact
4. WRONG
5. Lt Col Steven O'Brien and crew
6. SO WHAT
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
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1. Planes were hijacked. The evidence shows the hijackers boarding the planes and passing through airport security.
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There is no photographic evidence of the alleged hijackers boarding the planes and going thru security.
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2. Phone calls were made from the planes describing the hijacking and one verbal exchange was head by ATC.
.
These phone calls were phony.(sic)
3. There is plenty of evidence such as thousands of eye witnesses and video footage of what actually happened.
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Everyone knows lower Manhattan does not have thousands of people with nothing to do but look up and watch the sky at this time of the morning.
.
4. Airplane debris was recovered at the scenes.
.
What little debris alleged to be from the aircraft that was gathered was never identified by serial number back to the aircraft's maintenance records for a positive identification.
.
5. Other aircraft pilots also witnessed what happened.
.
What were the names of these alleged pilots who allegedly witnessed what happened?
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6. ATF and FBI forensic teams collected and documented evidence.
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None of which was ever revealed to the public for inspection.
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All of the above are spurious and unsubstantiated claims and are hereby rejected.
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Unless You Believe In Government Magik ! Huh eh

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#3426 Mar 26, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
It was twenty-six stories high. It took 3 tons of plating per floor and 800lbs of explosives. It took months of planning using computer simulations. It proves the nothing at the WTC was demolished using explosive demolition procedures.
You Believe in Magic Huh?
Just answer the questions please.
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3 tons of plating per floor?
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What year was this?
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What building was this?
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How does it prove anything?
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What exactly are you blathering about anyway?
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No I Do Not Believe In Magik Huh Eh !

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3427 Mar 26, 2013
YellowPissreality wrote:
1. WRONG
2. WRONG
3. WRONG You are a Moron, there are tens of thousands of people in lower Manhattan every day and EVERYBODY was looking up after first impact
4. WRONG
5. Lt Col Steven O'Brien and crew
6. SO WHAT
<quoted text>
Why should we care if he dismissed they facts and the evidence? He is perfectly free to continue making a fool of himself.

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