Was 911 an Inside Job

Was 911 an Inside Job

Created by inquiring minds on Jan 4, 2013

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“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#2935 Mar 11, 2013
Paul Verlaine wrote:
<quoted text>Ahh! Column 79! And where is this column 79? Does the NIST have it?

Non?!

And does the NIST have any columns and beams that connected to column 79?

Non again?! Mon dieu!

Did NIST have any metal at all from the WTC7?

NON?! Ce n'est pas possible!

And I understand there was some controversy over whether there were shear studs that connected floors to steel beams at frequent intervals. At one time, the NIST acknowledged presence of shear studs but in the end the studs were removed from the models. Oui? I wonder would the model fail if there were shear studs present?

And I understand that NIST got the cross-section of a critical beam wrong, the beam that caused a cascading failure...

Oh. But perhaps the word "cascading" is not correct, because we can see from the videos that the entire perimeter of the building is dropping at once as a unit. There is no evidence of "cascading" failure in the perimeter, oui? This is clearly what the videos show.

Who is talking about Penthouse? Is the penthouse part of the perimeter structure? Does the failure of the penthouse in anyway rule out the demolition hypothesis?

Non, of course it does not.

And I understand that NIST's model required certain floors to be aflame at certain times, and yet documentary evidence shows that these floors were not on fire at the times that NIST's model predicts.

And the NIST's model looks very different from the documentary evidence. Most importantly, the disintegration is much slower than what we can observe in the videos.

Why do you insist on defending such a sloppy bit of fraud? Are you a paid propagandist? I think you are.
Such a precious little proxy wearing socky!

You've plum forgotten to support your claim that it's impossible for fire to cause free fall! And now here you area king new unsupported claims which I'll no doubt call you on and you'll then run away from while making even more unsupported claims.

It's the way you proxy wearing socks operate I know, but I'm the end it's what got your little pretend movement where it is today...10 feet behind where it started 11 years ago.

But lets play your little game socky, I'll address your points while you continue to avoid addressing mine in further posts.

K?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#2936 Mar 11, 2013
Martin wrote:
Witness accounts of bombs at the World Trade Center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =e-Of50l77YQXX
Let's see, two snippets from other videos of folk talking about secondary explosions, like bombs and one extended interview with some guy who said he was there and heard about explosions over the radios and scanners around him and says that he saw them himself but never says when that exactly happened in relation to the sequence of events, but who thinks some sort of bomb was involved. I hope you didn't find that video convincing, but if you did, could I interest you in buying a bridge?

“9/11 Twoof = STUPID ”

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#2937 Mar 11, 2013
maybe he's NOT in the Netherlands !?!?!?!?!?
YellowPissreality wrote:
it's 5am in the Netherlands .....go to bed Jack Ass
<quoted text>

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#2938 Mar 11, 2013
Paul Verlaine wrote:
<quoted text>Ahh! Column 79! And where is this column 79? Does the NIST have it?

Non?!

And does the NIST have any columns and beams that connected to column 79?

Non again?! Mon dieu!

Did NIST have any metal at all from the WTC7?

NON?! Ce n'est pas possible!
And around and around in circles twoof goes.

Get yer tail boy. Come on, get it!

Got it?

Good boy!

Now I'm sure this had been pointed out to you before, in fact it was probably me that did it for one of your other sock names! The steel from WTC 7 could not be unambiguously identified. Meaning that if steel members could not be identified, they were of limited use to the investigation.

The limits being that without identification as to location, any non-general data like damage or heat evidence is useless for the level of detail required for an FEA model.

Why wouldn't it have identification?

Multiple reasons.

The main reason being that there were many beams the were identical and there was no reason to identify them by exact location. Additional reasons would be type of markings were, rather than hard stamped, made with grease pen or paint marker which is easily removed by heat or contact.

Now column 79.

Since the prevailing theory is that column 79 was knocked off its seat due to thermal forces by adjoining girders, having column 79 would account for nothing more than an interesting artifact.

So what did NIST base their report on if not the steel?

Knowledge and all the still plus video footage which can be directly applied to the FEA's. In a very real way, that was better than steel since the steel, if it could be identified to location, would be examined for the information readily available in the videos. Information such as; where the fires were, how long they burned there...etc.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#2939 Mar 11, 2013
Paul Verlaine wrote:
<quoted text>
And I understand there was some controversy over whether there were shear studs that connected floors to steel beams at frequent intervals. At one time, the NIST acknowledged presence of shear studs but in the end the studs were removed from the models. Oui? I wonder would the model fail if there were shear studs present?
Really?

Because I've never seen reference to it in any engineering journal or paper?

Although there was some twoofer who used graphic illustrations or mock ups from a 1986 paper regarding WTC 7 from a Canadian engineering conference which showed a typical floor plan with shear studs.

But that can't be what you're referring to since you obviously know those weren't IFC or as built drawings which were actually used by NIST right?

While you're looking up what IFC means, perhaps you could provide your source for this unsupported claim too.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#2940 Mar 11, 2013
Paul Verlaine wrote:
<quoted text>
And I understand that NIST got the cross-section of a critical beam wrong, the beam that caused a cascading failure...

Oh. But perhaps the word "cascading" is not correct, because we can see from the videos that the entire perimeter of the building is dropping at once as a unit. There is no evidence of "cascading" failure in the perimeter, oui? This is clearly what the videos show.
Well that pretty much confirms your twoofy source, but post it anyway.

No, NIST did not get the cross sectional dimension of the column wrong.

I believe that was yet another misrepresentation of a drawing by the same twoofer who made your previous claim about shear studs and it was in reference to a seat or gusset, not the column itself.

But again, post your source.

And your comments about cascading...seriously, you have no clue what the report says do you?

The argument is the interior already experienced cascading collapses of structural steel before global collapse.

Since: May 10

YOUR MOM'S HOUSE

#2941 Mar 11, 2013
Source is a YouTube video
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>Really?
Because I've never seen reference to it in any engineering journal or paper?
Although there was some twoofer who used graphic illustrations or mock ups from a 1986 paper regarding WTC 7 from a Canadian engineering conference which showed a typical floor plan with shear studs.
But that can't be what you're referring to since you obviously know those weren't IFC or as built drawings which were actually used by NIST right?
While you're looking up what IFC means, perhaps you could provide your source for this unsupported claim too.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#2942 Mar 11, 2013
Paul Verlaine wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is talking about Penthouse? Is the penthouse part of the perimeter structure? Does the failure of the penthouse in anyway rule out the demolition hypothesis?

Non, of course it does not.

And I understand that NIST's model required certain floors to be aflame at certain times, and yet documentary evidence shows that these floors were not on fire at the times that NIST's model predicts.

And the NIST's model looks very different from the documentary evidence. Most importantly, the disintegration is much slower than what we can observe in the videos.

Why do you insist on defending such a sloppy bit of fraud? Are you a paid propagandist? I think you are.
The penthouses were obviously attached to the interior structure, this is evident by position and the fact they collapsed into the building before global collapse.

Their relationship to the exterior could be discerned from drawings but given the location of them, that relationship obviously isn't a direct one...and there's no evidence for your "demolition theory" which is why you spend all your time pretending you've found your smoking gun in the NIST reports rather than just presenting your evidence.

And you don't understand models, that's obvious.

And if everyone who disagrees with you works for the government based on shoddy fraud, who is it you work for?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#2943 Mar 11, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>What does the NIST investigation have to say about the tilt?! That sounds terrifying, a huge building like that tilting and stuff!
Hey look, it's the mayor of Dodge!

Since: Aug 11

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#2944 Mar 11, 2013
Martin wrote:
<quoted text>
Witness accounts of bombs at the World Trade Center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =e-Of50l77YQXX
More crapola. There were no bombs.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#2945 Mar 11, 2013
Martin wrote:
<quoted text>
Witness accounts of bombs at the World Trade Center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =e-Of50l77YQXX
Conjecture and hearsay about secondary explosions doesn't prove the presence of bombs.

NEXT

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

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#2946 Mar 11, 2013
Let’s say it was all orchestrated by traitors in our government. If you believe that, what the hell is the matter with you that you haven’t gotten off your dead rear end and protested, at the very least?

We don’t need proof that 9/11 was a fraud to know that our government is so corrupt that it‘s possible.
They‘ve PROVEN how corrupt they are, and that they are traitors who should have been executed long ago.
They executed JFK because he tried to end their evil plan for our country just months before.
They executed JFK, Jr. because they FEARED him, that he would follow in his father’s footsteps because he was talking about entering politics.
They violently attacked the anti-Federal Reserve Corp. protesters and destroyed the Occupy movement from within, because they FEAR the American people.

I know they’ll eventually come after me, even though I’m more of an irritation than a threat, and that the idiot masses will cheer when they do because I‘m a threat to their fantasyland.
I know that the idiot masses will always ignore my advice about the importance of protesting in some way, but it must be done.

This is a time of separating good from evil, of making the most important choices we will ever make, because the idiot masses and Nazi-Republicans have done so much evil that God needs to clean house. Just like the Nazis wanted to exterminate millions, Right-wing conservatives in the U.S. want the same thing. Liberals were on both lists because they’re intelligent, good people, and that’s a frightening threat to those obsessed with power and evil.

I’m obviously a threat to Nazi-Republicans since I keep getting kicked off and have to sign in after every post or page change.
Also, I click on links but can’t access them.
Here are some other roadblocks Norton has installed, beginning after I posted taking action against big banks and the Federal Reserve Corp treason:
(next post)

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

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#2947 Mar 11, 2013
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When anything that even MENTIONS Wiki or Manning is red-flagged, it’s a serious warning that we’re very close to a police state.
Common sense tells us that if government corruption fears something THAT MUCH, then it’s something we should be working very hard to support.

Also, I got an email from Microsoft, telling me I should send one of my files to them for inspection, and they named that file. How in he11 would they know the name of a file I use for Topix?
I don’t trust Norton, and am going to get rid of it, but I think the damage is done.

If you haven’t been harassed, it means you’re a sheeple or they just haven’t gotten around to you yet, but they will.
Why?
(next post)

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#2948 Mar 11, 2013
Because you didn’t fight for free speech for others, you will lose your right.
Here are some of the people who fought for free speech, while you remained a parasite.

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http://www.topix.com/forum/us/TM4DV62QV24JSEH...

Bradley Manning
http://www.topix.com/forum/us/TRQ6S0 5R3VM7N680Q#lastPost

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“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

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#2949 Mar 11, 2013
BEFORE I COULD POST THIS, I HAD TO GO THROUGH THREE BLOCKS PUT UP BY NORTON.
THIS IS HOW LITTLE THEY WANT FREE SPEECH. THEY JUST WANT PATHETIC SHEEP WHO WILL CLICK ON ADS.
FIGHT BACK BY NOT CLICKING ON ANY AD!

You were warned:
End of free speech
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Complain BEFORE it happens to you. Send Topix feedback (bottom of page). I wrote: Please refer this complaint to all governmental and private agencies which have an interest in preventing this ongoing violation of free speech and fraud, and I will do the same.

Protest BEFORE the Fed takes your job and home. There are so many ways to fight back.

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Since: Aug 11

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#2950 Mar 11, 2013
Protester wrote:
Let’s say it was all orchestrated by traitors in our government. If you believe that, what the hell is the matter with you that you haven’t gotten off your dead rear end and protested, at the very least?
We don’t need proof that 9/11 was a fraud to know that our government is so corrupt that it‘s possible.
They‘ve PROVEN how corrupt they are, and that they are traitors who should have been executed long ago.
They executed JFK because he tried to end their evil plan for our country just months before.
They executed JFK, Jr. because they FEARED him, that he would follow in his father’s footsteps because he was talking about entering politics.
They violently attacked the anti-Federal Reserve Corp. protesters and destroyed the Occupy movement from within, because they FEAR the American people.
I know they’ll eventually come after me, even though I’m more of an irritation than a threat, and that the idiot masses will cheer when they do because I‘m a threat to their fantasyland.
I know that the idiot masses will always ignore my advice about the importance of protesting in some way, but it must be done.
This is a time of separating good from evil, of making the most important choices we will ever make, because the idiot masses and Nazi-Republicans have done so much evil that God needs to clean house. Just like the Nazis wanted to exterminate millions, Right-wing conservatives in the U.S. want the same thing. Liberals were on both lists because they’re intelligent, good people, and that’s a frightening threat to those obsessed with power and evil.
I’m obviously a threat to Nazi-Republicans since I keep getting kicked off and have to sign in after every post or page change.
Also, I click on links but can’t access them.
Here are some other roadblocks Norton has installed, beginning after I posted taking action against big banks and the Federal Reserve Corp treason:
(next post)
No let's not make such assumptions.

No connection.

Who is They?

Most of the people in government during the JFK years are dead. How can there be any connection?

They again? Who are they?

How is good and evil defined?

There are no Nazis.

You don't seem to know who "They" are. What makes you blame Norton? Could it be you just don't really know how to operate a computer?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#2951 Mar 11, 2013
Protester wrote:
BEFORE I COULD POST THIS, I HAD TO GO THROUGH THREE BLOCKS PUT UP BY NORTON.
THIS IS HOW LITTLE THEY WANT FREE SPEECH. THEY JUST WANT PATHETIC SHEEP WHO WILL CLICK ON ADS.
FIGHT BACK BY NOT CLICKING ON ANY AD!
You were warned:
End of free speech
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/TB2E69F78TMA...
World News
Sign the following petitions.
http://www.bradleymanning.org/a ctivism/sign-the-justice-for-b radley-manning-petition-today
Free SPC Bradley Manning NOW! http://www.iacenter.org/iraq/freebradleymanni...
Bradley Manning support network http://www.bradleymanning.org/ http://www.bradleymanning.org/take-action
Complain BEFORE it happens to you. Send Topix feedback (bottom of page). I wrote: Please refer this complaint to all governmental and private agencies which have an interest in preventing this ongoing violation of free speech and fraud, and I will do the same.
Protest BEFORE the Fed takes your job and home. There are so many ways to fight back.
Get rid of Norton on your computer BEFORE they sabotage your privacy. Norton ‘security’ is as legitimate as Homeland Security.
ROTFLMAO

Funny!!!!

Nice rant.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#2952 Mar 11, 2013
Protester wrote:
BEFORE I COULD POST THIS, I HAD TO GO THROUGH THREE BLOCKS PUT UP BY NORTON.
THIS IS HOW LITTLE THEY WANT FREE SPEECH. THEY JUST WANT PATHETIC SHEEP WHO WILL CLICK ON ADS.
FIGHT BACK BY NOT CLICKING ON ANY AD!
You were warned:
End of free speech
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/TB2E69F78TMA...
World News
Sign the following petitions.
http://www.bradleymanning.org/a ctivism/sign-the-justice-for-b radley-manning-petition-today
Free SPC Bradley Manning NOW! http://www.iacenter.org/iraq/freebradleymanni...
Bradley Manning support network http://www.bradleymanning.org/ http://www.bradleymanning.org/take-action
Complain BEFORE it happens to you. Send Topix feedback (bottom of page). I wrote: Please refer this complaint to all governmental and private agencies which have an interest in preventing this ongoing violation of free speech and fraud, and I will do the same.
Protest BEFORE the Fed takes your job and home. There are so many ways to fight back.
Get rid of Norton on your computer BEFORE they sabotage your privacy. Norton ‘security’ is as legitimate as Homeland Security.
Rule number one. Get rid of Norton. It's garbage. Try AVG which you can D/L for free and use the free version. The only thing is you must update manually. Works great. Oh yes. Be sure to use Norton's uninstall or use the "change" within Windows or you will really screw your OS. You will be surprised how much faster your computer runs after removing Norton.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#2954 Mar 11, 2013
Within less than a second, WTC7 was only in free-fall for 2.5 seconds.
.
Waaaaaaaaaah
.
Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h
.
Sorry, Didn't Need Any For This Explosive CD Huh Eh!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#2955 Mar 11, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Within less than a second, WTC7 was only in free-fall for 2.5 seconds.
.
Waaaaaaaaaah
.
Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h
.
Sorry, Didn't Need Any For This Explosive CD Huh Eh!
Not really. It took hours for the fire and damage to knock out the central support structure, but welcome to your ignorant delusions bro. I would think the firemen who were their would know more about it than you would.

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