What do u think of Jesus Christ?(God)
ReligionMustDie

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#75931 Dec 11, 2012
You and your legalization of your pot? Do you think that they are legalizing pot for you? NO. They did it for themselves. They did it to create brain dead drones. Do you remember the Chinamen coolies? Yes, the British were bringing in Opium for the Chinamen to stagnate on. You pot smokers are the same as those Opium smoking Chinamen coolies. Give you a bud and you will kiss hussien obama’s culo and not give anything else a second thought just like what the Chinamen coolies did. You will be laid out in your doped-up euphoria whilst your God, hussein obama, creates more gvnmnt, more welfare, more taxes, more welfare, shrinks the military, more welfare, helps the muslims along, etc. Huh, you dope smoking idgits, the worse it gets, the more you will smoke yourselves out. While you are in your doped-up euphoria you will be discussing with your other dope friends how Bush and George Washington screwed up the country and Obama is da bomb because he gives you dope and welfare. Yes, obama and his wrecking crew will like that.
You dope smokers and the are-about-to-be dope smokers are the next coolies. The only difference tweenst the Chinamen coolies and you is you will be known as the coolio coolies. Sorry I had to go chinking on your coolieness, Chinese peopre.

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#75932 Dec 11, 2012
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#75933 Dec 11, 2012
Eddy Boyd wrote:
Yet Tacitus is probably our best source
Wrong! The passage in Tacitus is a fraud and adds no evidence for an historic Jesus. Also, you can't change the historical fact that the historians during the time of the supposed life of the biblical Jesus never mentioned him because he's nothing more than an amalgamated myth who became an object of worship.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephus-eta...
Myth Buster

Phoenix, AZ

#75934 Dec 11, 2012
RN Student wrote:
Basically what you have here is a rehashing of Remsbergs' list which has already been addressed.
Christian apoogetics is 100% bullshit for death-denying cowards like you. You should ashamed of yourself for providing a link to such nonsense, kid!

“Primum non nocere”

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#75935 Dec 11, 2012
Myth Buster wrote:
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Christian apoogetics is 100% bullshit for death-denying cowards like you. You should ashamed of yourself for providing a link to such nonsense, kid!
The site doesn't matter if the contents are accurate. Everything James said can be verified by secular sources so your list is still bust.

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#75936 Dec 11, 2012
''Every single source that mentions Jesus up until the eighteenth century assumed that he actually existed.''

''The idea that Jesus did not exist is a modern notion. It has no ancient precidents. It was made up in the eighteenth century. One might call it a modern myth, the myth of the mythical Jesus.''

''Tactitus almost certainly had information at his disposal about Jesus, for example, that he was crucified in Judea under the governorship of Pilate...What i did not stress earlier but need to point out now is there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the Pagan Tactitus or the Jewish Josephus acquired their information about Jesus by reading the Gospels. They heard information about him. That means the information they gave predated their writings...Indirectly, then, Tactitus and (possibly) Josephus provides independent attestation to Jesus's existence from outside the Gospels.''

Did Jesus Exist. Bart Ehrman. p. 96&97.

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#75937 Dec 11, 2012
Belief is everthing

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#75938 Dec 11, 2012
Bart claims to be an agnostic but when he talks about Christianity you can tell he has a certain disdain for it and even he admits Jesus existed. The fact that ancient pagan or Jewish writers mention Jesus means a great deal. If they could have simply said he didn't exist they would have certainly preferred that than having to write against a claim of divinity. The problem was however that being within such a short time frame from his death they couldn't as others would rightfully denounce their claims as lies.
lightbeamrider wrote:
''Every single source that mentions Jesus up until the eighteenth century assumed that he actually existed.''
''The idea that Jesus did not exist is a modern notion. It has no ancient precidents. It was made up in the eighteenth century. One might call it a modern myth, the myth of the mythical Jesus.''
''Tactitus almost certainly had information at his disposal about Jesus, for example, that he was crucified in Judea under the governorship of Pilate...What i did not stress earlier but need to point out now is there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the Pagan Tactitus or the Jewish Josephus acquired their information about Jesus by reading the Gospels. They heard information about him. That means the information they gave predated their writings...Indirectly, then, Tactitus and (possibly) Josephus provides independent attestation to Jesus's existence from outside the Gospels.''
Did Jesus Exist. Bart Ehrman. p. 96&97.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

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#75939 Dec 12, 2012
ReligionMustDie wrote:
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So you have been breeding pickaninnies! How many pickaninnies do you have?
Are you one of those that believe jesus was a negro?
Well.... reason has it HE would have had darker skin than some; there are not too many pale faces out there in the dessert LOL

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#75940 Dec 12, 2012
ReligionMustDie wrote:
Serah, you tell your “blue eye theory” to the nik nok that breaks in to your house kills Puggy, rapes you and then robs you for everything that you have. Maybe you could even read him a few verses from the bible as he is raping you,,hmm? Do you like Socialism like so many in the States do, do you? Well, if you do, thank that nik nok while he is emptying your house. Because that is what Socialism is these days; thieves ,drones and bums taking from the people that work.
While you are talking about how blue eyes are an illusion, the mainstream media are hard at work altering the phone call that Mr. George Zimmerman made to 911 and withholding Police pictures making him appear to be a psycho killer racist. All while they ignore the heinous hate-crime that that interracial black boy did by breaking into the home of those respectable Senior Citizens, the Straits. That two-bit interracial punk repeatedly rapes the old lady while he is continuously shoots the man in the face with a BB gun after breaking his jaw.
‘MP Martin’: Mr. Strait was a WW2 veteran. That is what your country thinks of war Veterans. Your Countries Mainstream Media doesn’t so much as say diddly squat, it is reported overseas instead. In the U.S that two-bit punk trayvon martin is more important. All ready to set-up Mr. Zimmerman with hate-crime charges and ignore the real hate-crimes. How many people screamed for justice for The Straits? Any “hoodies” for the Straits,,hmm? Yeah, gung ho and Semper Fi, boy!! Mfn gruntin’ fools.
Myself, I would give my left testicle if I could take back my ‘service’. Anyone that joins the USM these days is one ignorant mfr.
So many European-Americans breeding themselves out of existence while the country goes to siht. It is no wonder why liberal D’s are overrunning the R’s. Murder and Crime is Plaguing this now piece of siht country and ninety percent of it is from non-Caucasians. Bunch of non compos mentis liberals!..
Poor Old Queen Puggy has moved from this realm, Remudie, but I acknowledge that we indeed have strife here as well as anywhere else. A couple in their late 70's were bashed over the head by 'robbers' of the lowest order of mankind, regardless of colour or creed, and are now in critical conditions in hospital. I hate that siht, as much as you do, and I can assure you GOD hates it too. One can not cast a colour at a robber, Remudie, there are all types of thugs causing havoc around this world we all call home. We don't have capital punishment in Australia, but I can assure you, people are calling for it to be brought back again. We don't have true life sentences here either, and sadly, many of these murdering thugs are out and about in less than 10 years. It sucks, but so does our PM and the political party meant to be running our country. What do we do? We enjoy life and live like we should..... give your doggies a scratch, and I will give Pugstar a smooch from you :O)

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#75941 Dec 12, 2012
SchoolandUniversity wrote:
Belief is everthing
So is nothing if you believe it.

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#75942 Dec 12, 2012
Eddy Boyd wrote:
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He was on a roll... LOL

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#75943 Dec 12, 2012
RN Student wrote:
Bart claims to be an agnostic but when he talks about Christianity you can tell he has a certain disdain for it and even he admits Jesus existed.
He claims agnostic leaning towards atheism. I don't know if he has a real disdain for Christianity based on what i read so far. I do know he does not believe Jesus resurrected and claims he does not really know what happened post death of Jesus. Many of his assumptions about Jesus is easily refuted. For example he assumes Jesus was illiterate. That is refuted in Luke 4 where Jesus reads from the book of Isaiah in a Synagogue at Nazareth. One might ask, what is a snyagogue doing in a place located in Samaria since the two groups were hostile towards each other?

He also states,''One could easily argue the Bible is the most important book in the history of western civilization. What other book comes even close in terms of its historical, social, an cultural significance?...It is important for all of us--at least for all of us interested in human history, society, and culture.
One could also argue that Jesus is the most important person in the history of the West, looked at from a historical, social, or cultural perspective, quite apart from his religious significance.'' p.95.
The fact that ancient pagan or Jewish writers mention Jesus means a great deal. If they could have simply said he didn't exist they would have certainly preferred that than having to write against a claim of divinity. The problem was however that being within such a short time frame from his death they couldn't as others would rightfully denounce their claims as lies.
Yes, they denied the resurrection not the existence of Jesus. It is interesting the Jewish writers have Jesus down as a sorcerer which means they attributed his miracles to the Devil. They did not deny miracles happened at the hands of Jesus. John 8 has the Pharisees asking Jesus who is your father? Also v. 41.''We were not born of fornication.'' And v.48.''Do we not rightly say that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?'' This all ties in with the Jewish accounts depicting Jesus as a,''bastard son of an adultress.'' Having a Roman father.

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#75944 Dec 12, 2012
RN Student wrote:
Bart claims to be an agnostic but when he talks about Christianity you can tell he has a certain disdain for it and even he admits Jesus existed. The fact that ancient pagan or Jewish writers mention Jesus means a great deal. If they could have simply said he didn't exist they would have certainly preferred that than having to write against a claim of divinity. The problem was however that being within such a short time frame from his death they couldn't as others would rightfully denounce their claims as lies.
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Right. And another thing about Ehrman, he admits to being agnostic while heavily leaning towards atheism. So he doesn't believe in the deity of Jesus, but as a scholar and historian, he recognizes the validity of Jesus as a historical person. Jesus' existence was never even questioned by either Jewish or Greco-Roman opponents. Every credible historian knows that Rome did burn in 64 A.D., and that Nero did blame Christians for it. That much is fact. So by extension, there has to be a progression from 30s A.D. Palestine to 60s A.D. Rome. Myth Buster's claim that numerous secular contemporaries would have written about Jesus is speculative at best. As I pointed out in a previous post, it's surprising that anyone in the Greco-Roman world wrote about Jesus. Due to the nature of his alleged crime, and the extreme death penalty, he would be regarded as a nobody. In fact, that's how Tacitus writes about the early Christian movement. A Christian would have never written that the movement was "evil" or "superstitious." If there were any fraud or interpolation in Tacitus, it would look more like the altered version of Josephus' TF. What Tacitus wrote is entirely consistent with the views of a pagan Roman politician-turned-historian.

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#75945 Dec 12, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>He was on a roll... LOL
Yeah he was, and every inch was downhill!

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#75946 Dec 12, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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So is nothing if you believe it.
Circular logic? LOL
Myth Buster

Phoenix, AZ

#75947 Dec 12, 2012
RN Student wrote:
The site doesn't matter if the contents are accurate.
Wrong! You're a death-denying coward who'll probably never have the guts to acknowledge that organized religion is a hoax and Christian apologetics has been thoroughly debunked:

http://www.caseagainstfaith.com/
Myth Buster

Phoenix, AZ

#75949 Dec 12, 2012
RN Student wrote:
The fact that ancient pagan or Jewish writers mention Jesus means a great deal.
The fact that there are precious few documents supposedly in support of an historical Jesus and each is a blatant forgery means everything. You continue to make a complete ass of yourself on a daily basis and should be seeking professional help for your mental illness, kid.
Myth Buster

Phoenix, AZ

#75950 Dec 12, 2012
Eddy Boyd wrote:
If there were any fraud or interpolation in Tacitus, it would look more like the altered version of Josephus' TF. What Tacitus wrote is entirely consistent with the views of a pagan Roman politician-turned-historian.
Once again, the Tacitus passage is another blatant forgery:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/pliny.htm#.UMitOq...

The Church historian Eusebius, who likely forged the Testimonium Flavianum, does not relate this Tacitus passage in his abundant writings. Indeed, no mention is made of this passage in any known text prior to the 15th century.

Regarding Christian desperation for evidence of the existence of Christ, Dupuis comments that true believers are "reduced to look, nearly a hundred years after, for a passage in Tacitus" that does not even provide information other than "the etymology of the word Christian," or they are compelled "to interpolate, by pious fraud, a passage in Josephus." Neither passage, Dupuis concludes, is sufficient to establish the existence of such a remarkable legislator and philosopher, much less a "notorious impostor."

It is evident that Tacitus's remark is nothing more than what is said in the Apostle's Creed—to have the authenticity of the mighty Christian religion rest upon this Pagan author's scanty and likely forged comment is preposterous. Even if the passage in Tacitus were genuine, it would be too late and is not from an eyewitness, such that it is valueless in establishing an "historical" Jesus, representing merely a recital of decades-old Christian tradition.

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#75951 Dec 12, 2012
How many historians actually buy this? Zero, the writing style is very anti-Christian and perfectly in line with Tacitus' writings. Moreso the same words appear in each translation of the text so there is no reason for historians (which Ms. Murdock is not) to believe this to be a forgery or interpolation. Try again.
Myth Buster wrote:
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Once again, the Tacitus passage is another blatant forgery:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/pliny.htm#.UMitOq...
The Church historian Eusebius, who likely forged the Testimonium Flavianum, does not relate this Tacitus passage in his abundant writings. Indeed, no mention is made of this passage in any known text prior to the 15th century.
Regarding Christian desperation for evidence of the existence of Christ, Dupuis comments that true believers are "reduced to look, nearly a hundred years after, for a passage in Tacitus" that does not even provide information other than "the etymology of the word Christian," or they are compelled "to interpolate, by pious fraud, a passage in Josephus." Neither passage, Dupuis concludes, is sufficient to establish the existence of such a remarkable legislator and philosopher, much less a "notorious impostor."
It is evident that Tacitus's remark is nothing more than what is said in the Apostle's Creed—to have the authenticity of the mighty Christian religion rest upon this Pagan author's scanty and likely forged comment is preposterous. Even if the passage in Tacitus were genuine, it would be too late and is not from an eyewitness, such that it is valueless in establishing an "historical" Jesus, representing merely a recital of decades-old Christian tradition.

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