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Myth Buster

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Jeff wrote:
Christianity is a myth yet over 1 billion people believe in it.
Intelligence has been defined in many different ways such as understanding. By definition, brainwashed religious cultists like you don't understand that organized religion is a cruel and dangerous hoax with absolutely no basis in reality.

Religions are dogma-based indoctrination systems not faith-based belief systems. There are no religious cultists who are more intelligent than non-cultists with the intelligence, common sense and courage to reject religious indoctrination.

Humans don't get to vote on the existence of mythical deities and afterlife fantasylands for self-righteous bigoted slaves to religious dogma. You're making a complete ass of yourself, kid!
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What do I think of Him?? I think He created the entire universe.

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Resurrectionologist? Unfortunately, you're so completely brainwashed that your capacity to think rationally will never be resurrected. You'll simply waste away your one chance at life as a mindless godbot with absolutely nothing positive to contribute to society.
Oh really? Well why don't you tell me exactly how I waste my life away? What can you do that I can't? This should be good. I can hardly wait. <smirk>

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Right. Christianity is a myth yet over 1 billion people believe in it. Millions of them are far far more intelligent than you are. Go figure.
I was watching his posts in the "Prove there's a God" thread when he was posting under the moniker "Pomona Atheist." He posts the same stuff over and over. He puts faith in hacks like Archaya S and then fails to bring forth any intelligent rebuttal when challenged.

Watch this:

Historical fact: Ancient Israel was home to the Hebrew people, also known as Jews.

Historical fact: The Jews were intensely monotheistic. They believed in one God. They were so monotheistic that they protested pagan Roman images and official emblems of Roman military power.

Historical fact: The epicenter of the Jewish faith in 1st century Palestine, was Jerusalem. It still is.

Historical fact: Christianity started in Jerusalem with the belief that Jesus had been crucified and raised from the dead in Jerusalem. Christianity could not have started in any other city while making this claim.

Question: Why would devout Jews invent a religion based on pagan influences that they detested, in the very city that was the epicenter of their monotheistic worldview?

Let's see how he answers this.
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Doctor INSANITY wrote:
I think He created the entire universe.
Don't flatter yourself! If your were capable of thinking rationally then you'd have the intelligence to understand that the universe and life on earth had entirely natural origins.

“Primum non nocere”

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According to Dorothy Murdock anyone with credentials doesn't know what they are talking about so he will probably call your well known historical facts that are supported by theist and secular historians alike revisionist history without providing any kind of proof because it was all destroyed by Christians a long time ago yet some how he knows about it.
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I was watching his posts in the "Prove there's a God" thread when he was posting under the moniker "Pomona Atheist." He posts the same stuff over and over. He puts faith in hacks like Archaya S and then fails to bring forth any intelligent rebuttal when challenged.
Watch this:
Historical fact: Ancient Israel was home to the Hebrew people, also known as Jews.
Historical fact: The Jews were intensely monotheistic. They believed in one God. They were so monotheistic that they protested pagan Roman images and official emblems of Roman military power.
Historical fact: The epicenter of the Jewish faith in 1st century Palestine, was Jerusalem. It still is.
Historical fact: Christianity started in Jerusalem with the belief that Jesus had been crucified and raised from the dead in Jerusalem. Christianity could not have started in any other city while making this claim.
Question: Why would devout Jews invent a religion based on pagan influences that they detested, in the very city that was the epicenter of their monotheistic worldview?
Let's see how he answers this.
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Resurrectionologist wrote:
What can you do that I can't?
You're a willing slave to unconscionable dogma knowingly wasting your worthless life in ignorance because you don't have the guts to let go of your inane delusions of an imaginary father figure in the sky and afterlife fantasyland.
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Nov 20, 2012
 
Resurrectionologist wrote:
He puts faith in hacks like Archaya S
The disingenuous efforts of your barbaric cult to discredit Archaya S have miserably failed. Note that the author actually provides numerous sources to back up her meticulous research even in an ebook available online for any godbot who actually has a desire to learn the truth about their own cult:

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/origins...

"The Christ of the gospels is in no sense an historical personage or a supreme model of humanity, a hero who strove, and suffered, and failed to save the world by his death. It is impossible to establish the existence of an historical character even as an impostor. For such an one the two witnesses, astronomical mythology and gnosticism, completely prove an alibi. The Christ is a popular lay-figure that never lived, and a lay-figure of Pagan origin; a lay-figure that was once the Ram and afterwards the Fish; a lay-figure that in human form was the portrait and image of a dozen different gods."

Gerald Massey, The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ
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destroyed by Christians a long time ago
It's historical fact that the founders of the Christian cult destroyed many of the documents plagiarized in assembling the damn bible making the job of meticulous researchers like Acharya S difficult but not impossible.

She's repeatedly addressed this very subject and you've repeatedly demonstrated that you're a death-denying coward who doesn't have the guts to accept organized religion as a cruel and dangerous hoax with absolutely no basis whatsoever in reality.
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Myth Buster wrote:
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It's historical fact that the founders of the Christian cult destroyed many of the documents plagiarized in assembling the damn bible making the job of meticulous researchers like Acharya S difficult but not impossible.
She's repeatedly addressed this very subject and you've repeatedly demonstrated that you're a death-denying coward who doesn't have the guts to accept organized religion as a cruel and dangerous hoax with absolutely no basis whatsoever in reality.
Acharya S is a fraud. Get serious.

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Myth Buster wrote:
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It's historical fact that the founders of the Christian cult destroyed many of the documents plagiarized in assembling the damn bible making the job of meticulous researchers like Acharya S difficult but not impossible.
She's repeatedly addressed this very subject and you've repeatedly demonstrated that you're a death-denying coward who doesn't have the guts to accept organized religion as a cruel and dangerous hoax with absolutely no basis whatsoever in reality.
But she can't quote any primary sources...only other Christ mythers.

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Myth Buster wrote:
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It's historical fact that the founders of the Christian cult destroyed many of the documents plagiarized in assembling the damn bible making the job of meticulous researchers like Acharya S difficult but not impossible.
She's repeatedly addressed this very subject and you've repeatedly demonstrated that you're a death-denying coward who doesn't have the guts to accept organized religion as a cruel and dangerous hoax with absolutely no basis whatsoever in reality.
So if they were destroyed how would you know they existed? That is where the problem of lack of primary sources comes into play.

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Jeff wrote:
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Acharya S is a fraud. Get serious.
That much is obvious, the entire Christ myth thesis is junk. It's no wonder why it's not taught in any textbooks or institutes of higher learning. The only time you find it mentioned is either (a) from somone trying sell a book or movie or (b) from folks on the internet who fell for it.
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Noone is entitled to their own facts. Simply reading the Bible would dispel lies being portrayed by some calling themselves "Christians," as fact. For people who seem to think themselves informed and intelligent, it's blatantly obvious that some of you intend to remain willfully ignorant as you hypocritically misrepresent the holy scriptures, and the Judaic religion as well, so very shamefully to promote your own agenda. As if there have been no higher institutions of learning not only teaching, but dedicated even, to the study of the religions and their subsequent texts for over 2000 years! How lame of an attempt, and horribly dishonest, for one to imply there are no formally educated Biblical scholars throughout this world who rely solely on the presentation of these texts without religious dogma and doctrines to poison the well! Elaine Pagels is another very well respected Biblical scholar who is a Christian by faith. Perhaps more Christians should read her too since they aren't reading the scriptures...

"Introductory Remarks on the Old Testament"

By Jeffrey A. Trumbower, Ph.D., Professor of Religious Studies, St. Michael's College

"The arrival of the Philistines in 1200 BCE meant the collapse of some Canaanite cities near the coast, and increasing numbers of refugees fled up into the hill country of Palestine. The Sea Peoples invaded Egypt as well, so no doubt there were refugees fleeing from Egypt, too, perhaps even a group under the leadership of someone named Moses, bringing with them stories of a miraculous escape from slavery. Who knows?! In this bubbling mix, a number of tribal groups in the hill country of Palestine banded together to fight against the Philistines, perhaps joining up with some of those older 'Apiru groups. With this development, we can begin to speak about a new ethnic group in the hill country around 1200 BCE, now known by two names: the Hebrews or the Israelites. No doubt some warfare against Canaanite cities took place, forming the basis for the stories found in the book of Joshua. Tradition says there were 12 Israelite tribes. One of the largest tribes, in the south, was named Judah; "Jews" is a name for the people of Judah.

The name Israel comes from the name of a god, El. "Israel" means "El fights" in Hebrew. The people at Ugarit, Syria, also worshipped El along with his wife, the goddess Asherah, and a younger god Ba'al. Their very name indicates that the early Israelites worshipped El. Some of the tribes who became Israelites, however, appear to have had a different tradition. They worshipped Yahweh, and there is some evidence (Judges 5:4-5; 1 Kings 19) that Yahweh's original home was an unspecified mountain to the south of Judah, bordering on the Sinai peninsula. Whenever you see the words "the LORD" in all caps in the Hebrew Bible, they are translating the word Yahweh. Whenever you see "God," they are translating the word El or the more generic plural form Elohim. In the course of time, Yahweh and El came to be identified with each other, so that the Israelite people perceived them to be the same god. That's why we read in the Bible so often "the LORD God;" i.e., "Yahweh Elohim." By about the year 1000 BCE, it is clear that Yahweh was seen to be the chief god of the Israelites, and we know from archaeological evidence that some Israelites assumed Yahweh had a goddess-wife, Asherah. We can guess that Ba'al was also worshipped in Israel, because many of the people mentioned in the Bible from this time have names honoring him and other gods and goddesses. Thus, the majority of people in early Israel were probably polytheists, meaning they worshipped more than one god, even if they acknowledged that Yahweh was the chief god, the most powerful. The belief in monotheism, namely that Yahweh is the only God there is, is a belief that developed and took hold only gradually in Israel."

http://academics.smcvt.edu/relstudies_courses...
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Noone is entitled to their own facts. Simply reading the Bible would dispel lies being portrayed by some as fact. For people who seem to think themselves informed and intelligent, it's blatantly obvious that some of you intend to remain willfully ignorant as you hypocritically misrepresent the holy scriptures, and its religions as well, so very shamefully to promote your own agenda. As if there have been no higher institutions of learning not only teaching, but dedicated even, to the study of the religions and their subsequent texts for over 2000 years! How lame of an attempt, and horribly dishonest, for one to imply there are no formally educated Biblical scholars throughout this world who rely solely on the presentation of these texts without religious dogma and doctrines to poison the well! Elaine Pagels is another very well respected Biblical scholar who is a Christian by faith. Perhaps more Christians should read her too since they aren't reading the scriptures...

"Introductory Remarks on the Old Testament"

By Jeffrey A. Trumbower, Ph.D., Professor of Religious Studies, St. Michael's College

"The arrival of the Philistines in 1200 BCE meant the collapse of some Canaanite cities near the coast, and increasing numbers of refugees fled up into the hill country of Palestine. The Sea Peoples invaded Egypt as well, so no doubt there were refugees fleeing from Egypt, too, perhaps even a group under the leadership of someone named Moses, bringing with them stories of a miraculous escape from slavery. Who knows?! In this bubbling mix, a number of tribal groups in the hill country of Palestine banded together to fight against the Philistines, perhaps joining up with some of those older 'Apiru groups. With this development, we can begin to speak about a new ethnic group in the hill country around 1200 BCE, now known by two names: the Hebrews or the Israelites. No doubt some warfare against Canaanite cities took place, forming the basis for the stories found in the book of Joshua. Tradition says there were 12 Israelite tribes. One of the largest tribes, in the south, was named Judah; "Jews" is a name for the people of Judah.

The name Israel comes from the name of a god, El. "Israel" means "El fights" in Hebrew. The people at Ugarit, Syria, also worshipped El along with his wife, the goddess Asherah, and a younger god Ba'al. Their very name indicates that the early Israelites worshipped El. Some of the tribes who became Israelites, however, appear to have had a different tradition. They worshipped Yahweh, and there is some evidence (Judges 5:4-5; 1 Kings 19) that Yahweh's original home was an unspecified mountain to the south of Judah, bordering on the Sinai peninsula. Whenever you see the words "the LORD" in all caps in the Hebrew Bible, they are translating the word Yahweh. Whenever you see "God," they are translating the word El or the more generic plural form Elohim. In the course of time, Yahweh and El came to be identified with each other, so that the Israelite people perceived them to be the same god. That's why we read in the Bible so often "the LORD God;" i.e., "Yahweh Elohim." By about the year 1000 BCE, it is clear that Yahweh was seen to be the chief god of the Israelites, and we know from archaeological evidence that some Israelites assumed Yahweh had a goddess-wife, Asherah. We can guess that Ba'al was also worshipped in Israel, because many of the people mentioned in the Bible from this time have names honoring him and other gods and goddesses. Thus, the majority of people in early Israel were probably polytheists, meaning they worshipped more than one god, even if they acknowledged that Yahweh was the chief god, the most powerful. The belief in monotheism, namely that Yahweh is the only God there is, is a belief that developed and took hold only gradually in Israel."

http://academics.smcvt.edu/relstudies_courses...
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Don't flatter yourself! If your were capable of thinking rationally then you'd have the intelligence to understand that the universe and life on earth had entirely natural origins.
Nothing from nothing leaves NOTHING. The universe was CREATED by the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Noone is entitled to their own facts. Simply reading the Bible would dispel lies being portrayed by some as fact. For people who seem to think themselves informed and intelligent, it's blatantly obvious that some of you intend to remain willfully ignorant as you hypocritically misrepresent the holy scriptures, and its religions as well, so very shamefully to promote your own agenda. As if there have been no higher institutions of learning not only teaching, but dedicated even, to the study of the religions and their subsequent texts for over 2000 years! How lame of an attempt, and horribly dishonest, for one to imply there are no formally educated Biblical scholars throughout this world who rely solely on the presentation of these texts without religious dogma and doctrines to poison the well! Elaine Pagels is another very well respected Biblical scholar who is a Christian by faith. Perhaps more Christians should read her too since they aren't reading the scriptures...
Elaine Pagels? Please tell me you're kidding.

She is of the same ilk as Funk (Jesus Seminar) and Ehrman. She might be smart, but her conclusions aren't exactly correct.

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That much is obvious, the entire Christ myth thesis is junk. It's no wonder why it's not taught in any textbooks or institutes of higher learning. The only time you find it mentioned is either (a) from somone trying sell a book or movie or (b) from folks on the internet who fell for it.
Agnostic NT scholar Bart Ehrman (whom atheists love to quote when it suits their purpose)has written a book about the historical existence of Jesus. He doubts the supernatural claims and the deity of Jesus, but he doesn't deny Jesus existed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/d...

Atheist NT scholar Gerd Ludemann has also acknowledged the historicity of Jesus. "Jesus' death as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable."

Gerd Lüdemann. The Resurrection of Christ (Amherst, NY: Prometheus, 2004), 50.

John Dominic Crossan, the highly skeptical co-founder of the Jesus Seminar states:

"That [Jesus] was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be."

John Dominic Crossan, Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography (San Francisco: HarperCollings, 1991), 145.

The truth is that proponents of the Christ-as-myth argument can't answer the hard questions that arise, so they have to deny the existence of Jesus as some sort of blanket approach to the whole subject. It's an easy out for them. You can throw a blanket over a rock and cover it, but that doesn't mean the rock is gone. It's still there. Likewise, the existence of Jesus prompts us to ask the hard questions. Denying the historical existence of Jesus is just intellectual laziness.

To Myth Buster:

You didn't answer my question about Jesus. All you did was respond with an ad hominem attack on me. It's much easier to attack than to think huh? That's your usual M.O. Why should we expect anything different? Why should we even take you seriously?

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I was pretty much dead on when I guessed his response. I should have bet you on it for a quick buck lol.
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Agnostic NT scholar Bart Ehrman (whom atheists love to quote when it suits their purpose)has written a book about the historical existence of Jesus. He doubts the supernatural claims and the deity of Jesus, but he doesn't deny Jesus existed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/d...
Atheist NT scholar Gerd Ludemann has also acknowledged the historicity of Jesus. "Jesus' death as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable."
Gerd Lüdemann. The Resurrection of Christ (Amherst, NY: Prometheus, 2004), 50.
John Dominic Crossan, the highly skeptical co-founder of the Jesus Seminar states:
"That [Jesus] was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be."
John Dominic Crossan, Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography (San Francisco: HarperCollings, 1991), 145.
The truth is that proponents of the Christ-as-myth argument can't answer the hard questions that arise, so they have to deny the existence of Jesus as some sort of blanket approach to the whole subject. It's an easy out for them. You can throw a blanket over a rock and cover it, but that doesn't mean the rock is gone. It's still there. Likewise, the existence of Jesus prompts us to ask the hard questions. Denying the historical existence of Jesus is just intellectual laziness.
To Myth Buster:
You didn't answer my question about Jesus. All you did was respond with an ad hominem attack on me. It's much easier to attack than to think huh? That's your usual M.O. Why should we expect anything different? Why should we even take you seriously?

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I was pretty much dead on when I guessed his response. I should have bet you on it for a quick buck lol.
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I used to tear his arguments up all the time on the "Prove there's a god" thread. All he ever does is respond with ad hominem attacks and quotes from hacks like Archaya S. He never answers a question if it challenges his narrow worldview. He attacks the person asking the question instead. It's much easier to say the argument is wrong than to say exactly why it's wrong. Even the atheist philosopher Bertrand Russell acknowledged this regarding the ontological argument. I think it applies to any argument.

There would have been no bet, because we both know how he replies. LOL

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