What do u think of Jesus Christ?(God)
Child Of God

United States

#22 Oct 23, 2006
mhmoudali wrote:
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sure the question did he have the power before he was crossified or after his death
surly not niethr before neither after
he was died
if he was god how come he learned something that he initially did not new
he is not god
he is human
prophet of allah
second
only allah have power over death
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Jesus knew before and after his death that he would rise to life from death, because Jesus knew he was the resurrection of life in John 11:25. Which means he had power to raise everyone from death.(Even Himself!)

The truth is: Jesus did rise from the dead, and he's alive right now sitting on the right hand of God almighty. That's what separates him from everyone else.

So don't say he didn't, because it would just show how little you really know. Again! I don't think you know what you're talking about.

You're probably just bias in your comments because you're not Christian. But you don't speak according to knowledge. Just dumb mummble jumble.

But if you want to be educated about the truth about Jesus, Creation, and the Bible, which is God's divine word, then visit my website at:

http://thelordsplace.bravehost.com

You just might learn something about facts & evidence, which will reveal and teach about the divinity of Jesus Christ. So then you'll be able to speak according to knowledge

Hope to see you there!
Child Of God

United States

#23 Oct 23, 2006
Way It Is wrote:
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I hate to burst your bubble, but after all the harsh treatment Jesus got, you know being starved, beaten, wearing the "crown of thorns", no water, forced to carry that heavy cross in unbearable heat, then nailed to it and hung out to dry... ever think this person fell could have lost consiousness or fell into a coma? Course the medical ability was pretty primitive way back then so they thought he was dead. The cool cave they put him in enabled his body to "resurect" itself after a couple of days of sleep... and he "rose from the dead".
Nobodies bubble is being burst except maybe yours. First: Your theory doesn't match up with the historical records of Jesus and the resurrection.

First: He couldn't carry his cross, so they had someone help him.

Second: The disciples of Jesus who were cowards while walking with Jesus, were very courageous martyrs after the resurrection of Jesus! Why would cowards become courageous martyrs?

They all wrote about why in the New Testament, which was actually written by Peter, James, and John, who told us why. Because they all said Jesus rose from the dead. They all believed he was God. Even doubting Thomas called him Lord after putting his fingers in the wounds on Jesus side.(All after resurrection!)

Also: Paul who wasn't Christian, but a persecutor of Christians became a believer in Jesus Christ, after Jesus rose from the dead. Paul no doubt also wtnessed the crucifiction of Jesus, but still persecuted Christians. Yet! One day he had an experience with Jesus after the resurrection, which caused him to become a Christian himself and write 13 or 14 letters in the New Testament.(Depending on what theologian you listen to!) Some believe Paul wrote Hebrews, which would make 14. Some don't think he did! So why did unbelieving skepical Paul become a believer?

Truth is: You have a theory with no historical record or evidence to burst anyone's bubble.

Perhaps you should visit my website at:

http://thelordsplace.bravehost.com

You just might learn some facts there, so you can form factual theories.
Child Of God

United States

#24 Oct 23, 2006
Myheartbleedspissforu wrote:
When the going gets tough, the weak get religion. Nothing good ever came when a nation became zealous about a belife, we will be no different. Faith and religion are two VERY different things, and can NEVER be reconciled. Faith is good, and very much a PERSONAL thing, religion is the source of most misery, and very much a PUBLIC affair. The differences are obvious, except to the stupid and their keepers.
I wouldn't call Professional Christian wrestlers and football players weak! I wouldn't call Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, and George Bush weak either!

The truth is: Religion for the weak is something unbelievers made up. Just no truth in it at all. The power team which consist of some of the strongest men in the world all believe in Jesus Christ. They actually have their own ministry!(I dare you to call them weak to their faces!)

But don't worry! They believe in Jesus! So they believe in love! They would just love you!

It's just that I laugh at your foolish comment, that religion is for the weak. Just what religion are you talking about. Because their are some very strong Christians in the world.

Missionsries who give their lives and preach the gospel unto death! You should read the book of Christian martyrs, so you'll know just how courageous Christian martyrs have been.

Only a very dishonest or foolish person would call them weak.
Scutter

Glendale, CA

#25 Oct 23, 2006
Child Of God wrote:
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The Thing Is: Jesus is the only one of whom you mentiond that actually rose from the dead. It was his resurrection that sets him apart from the others.
Jesus said he was the resurrection and the life in John 11:25. Which means he had power over death. No one else had power over death. Just Jesus Christ.
Oh that's not entirely ture. The conquoring of death is a common theme in many of the worlds past and present faiths. In fact, for example, the virgin birth AND the death and resurection story was in Egyptian mythology long before Jesus was born.
Scutter

Glendale, CA

#26 Oct 23, 2006
Child Of God wrote:
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The truth is: Jesus did rise from the dead, and he's alive right now sitting on the right hand of God almighty. That's what separates him from everyone else.
Just 2 clarification questions:

Do you mean to say that you believe that Jesus is, right now in heaven AND literally corporially alive?(I'm not counting those who believe in "walking amoung us" immenent 2nd coming alive, of course!)

Also, if you believe that Jesus was "God incarnate" as most Christians do, why would God sit on the right hand of God? Isn't that redundant? Just wondering.
aLifeUncommon

Lawrenceville, GA

#27 Oct 23, 2006
Child Of God wrote:
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I don't think you know what you're talking about. Jesus knew before and after his death that he would rise to life from death, because Jesus knew he was the resurrection of life in John 11:25. Which means he had power to raise everyone from death.(Even Himself!)
The truth is: Jesus did rise from the dead, and he's alive right now sitting on the right hand of God almighty. That's what separates him from everyone else.
So don't say he didn't, because it would just show how little you really know. Again! I don't think you know what you're talking about.
You're probably just bias in your comments because you're not Christian. But you don't speak according to knowledge. Just dumb mummble jumble.
But if you want to be educated about the truth about Jesus, Creation, and the Bible, which is God's divine word, then visit my website at:
http://thelordsplace.bravehost.com
You just might learn something about facts & evidence, which will reveal and teach about the divinity of Jesus Christ. So then you'll be able to speak according to knowledge
Hope to see you there!
Any bias does not necessarily have anything to do with being Christian. Just as you state your hard core facts about what you claim to be evidential truth about the bible, there are also the same hard core facts that go against the theory you believe.

It's been proven fact that governments omitted, deleted, added to, parts of the bible to help control the masses of their people by fear.

The bible is a book of stories, written in it's time for it's time. Written years after the life and death of Jesus Christ. Handed down by word of mouth. Mistranslated, transcribed erroneously by monks in candlelight.

The catholic church alone changed the majority of the bible to suit it's governmental needs.

The "ghost stories" were impossible. I think they were just mistranslated through the centuries by word of mouth which is very easily done by humans.

For every one of your facts, someone will scientifically prove the opposite and vice versa.

I don't believe somewhat for the reasons stated above. The other is, because I know what I feel in my spirit and in my soul, my heart, my mind my body. I've felt this since I was a child.
I don't think the Love of God can be taught by man. You must feel it within yourself.
Just as you "feel" "god" within you.

So please, don't discount other's theories without hearing what they have to say.
Just because you belief strongly in your thoughts on God, doesn't make them right, nor does it make someone's else's wrong.
Peace be with you.
Way It Is

Roseville, CA

#28 Oct 23, 2006
Child Of God wrote:
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Nobodies bubble is being burst except maybe yours. First: Your theory doesn't match up with the historical records of Jesus and the resurrection.
First: He couldn't carry his cross, so they had someone help him.
Second: The disciples of Jesus who were cowards while walking with Jesus, were very courageous martyrs after the resurrection of Jesus! Why would cowards become courageous martyrs?
They all wrote about why in the New Testament, which was actually written by Peter, James, and John, who told us why. Because they all said Jesus rose from the dead. They all believed he was God. Even doubting Thomas called him Lord after putting his fingers in the wounds on Jesus side.(All after resurrection!)
Also: Paul who wasn't Christian, but a persecutor of Christians became a believer in Jesus Christ, after Jesus rose from the dead. Paul no doubt also wtnessed the crucifiction of Jesus, but still persecuted Christians. Yet! One day he had an experience with Jesus after the resurrection, which caused him to become a Christian himself and write 13 or 14 letters in the New Testament.(Depending on what theologian you listen to!) Some believe Paul wrote Hebrews, which would make 14. Some don't think he did! So why did unbelieving skepical Paul become a believer?
Truth is: You have a theory with no historical record or evidence to burst anyone's bubble.
Perhaps you should visit my website at:
http://thelordsplace.bravehost.com
You just might learn some facts there, so you can form factual theories.
Perhaps you should learn the difference between facts and what you claim.
Bader

Saudi Arabia

#29 Oct 23, 2006
Jesus is a messenger of God almighty. God who created everything, who created heavens and earth in six days. Who created this vast infinite universe. God almighty has no son my dear friends. Jesus, in deed, was born by a spirit sent from God, but God almighty intended by that to give a reason for people to believe in God almighty, of his existence, of his miracles. God does not need a son to make people believe in him, nor does he "need" your your belief. You are obligated to worship God almighty because that is the reason people exist, to love him and worship him.
Jesus was not crucified as christians and jews think, God almighty ascended him, and made Judas look like him and made him get crucified. I know that might seem strange and and untrue to you at first, but why can't people believe the mircale that God Almighty lifted Jesus to him and they "can" believe he talked to people when he was a baby, and when he made the dead come to life again by the will of God??
Jesus is not a saviour for people, people are saviour for themselves, whether they want to believe in God almighty alone and go to Heaven, or if they want to include a partner(s) with God and for that God will punish them and send them to hell for not believing in him alone.

Praise be to the Greatest and one God almighty who created me and you.
aLifeUncommon

Lawrenceville, GA

#30 Oct 23, 2006
See, this is what I don't get. What kind of Loving God would tell folks they are "obligated" to worship Him? What kind of Loving God would send someone to a torturous placed called Hell for humanly sins?
That's not love, that's dictatorship. A myth created by governments to control the masses out of fear.
Total BS.
jack

United States

#31 Oct 23, 2006
Way It Is wrote:
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I hate to burst your bubble, but after all the harsh treatment Jesus got, you know being starved, beaten, wearing the "crown of thorns", no water, forced to carry that heavy cross in unbearable heat, then nailed to it and hung out to dry... ever think this person fell could have lost consiousness or fell into a coma? Course the medical ability was pretty primitive way back then so they thought he was dead. The cool cave they put him in enabled his body to "resurect" itself after a couple of days of sleep... and he "rose from the dead".
Sorry Charlie, I really think you need to do more of your homework. Do you even know what the result of crucifixion is?(besides death..and of course they were not so stupid back then as to not know if some one was dead!) It's actually drowning! Why do you think that when they pierced HIS side, out came water and blood?
Whatever your belief, there is one fact that is evident and true.....what will you do with the Man they call Jesus? Everyone has two options, you can accept him for who he is or reject him.
As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD!
Someday, when He returns, He won't recognize you either and I feel sad for you.
Scutter

Glendale, CA

#32 Oct 23, 2006
Child Of God wrote:
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Nobodies bubble is being burst except maybe yours. First: Your theory doesn't match up with the historical records
Historical OR biblical?
Child Of God wrote:
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Second: Why would cowards become courageous martyrs?
I don't know. Ask the guys who flew the planes into the WTC. THEY were cowards who frankly did something that took courage (as well as murderous stupidity but, you get my point!)
Child Of God wrote:
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They all wrote about why in the New Testament, which was actually written by Peter, James, and John, who told us why.
Actually THEY didn't write it, they told it... and other wrote it down about 40 or 50 years later.(Remember most these guys weren't formally educated and didn't know how to write. Also, as I recall, books atributed to other deciples were rejected from cannon like the book of Thomas...-hmmmmm!
Child Of God wrote:
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Also: Paul who wasn't Christian, but a persecutor of Christians became a believer in Jesus Christ, after Jesus rose from the dead. Paul no doubt also wtnessed the crucifiction of Jesus, but still persecuted Christians So why did unbelieving skepical Paul become a believer?
Actually there is no mention of Paul EVER having met Jesus before his supposed vision. In fact, Paul had more to do with the" Jesus as sacrificial lamb" idea than anyone else in Chistianity. Without him Chrisianity would not be the "died on the cross for your sins" faith that it is now. So, how much of Chrisianity is Jesus and how much is Paul and his own interpretations...-oh, I'm sorry, I mean "visions"
Truth is: You have a theory with no historical record or evidence (except for the bible and YOUR very specific interpretation of it), either
Child Of God

United States

#33 Oct 23, 2006
aLifeUncommon wrote:
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Any bias does not necessarily have anything to do with being Christian. Just as you state your hard core facts about what you claim to be evidential truth about the bible, there are also the same hard core facts that go against the theory you believe.
It's been proven fact that governments omitted, deleted, added to, parts of the bible to help control the masses of their people by fear.
The bible is a book of stories, written in it's time for it's time. Written years after the life and death of Jesus Christ. Handed down by word of mouth. Mistranslated, transcribed erroneously by monks in candlelight.
The catholic church alone changed the majority of the bible to suit it's governmental needs.
The "ghost stories" were impossible. I think they were just mistranslated through the centuries by word of mouth which is very easily done by humans.
For every one of your facts, someone will scientifically prove the opposite and vice versa.
I don't believe somewhat for the reasons stated above. The other is, because I know what I feel in my spirit and in my soul, my heart, my mind my body. I've felt this since I was a child.
I don't think the Love of God can be taught by man. You must feel it within yourself.
Just as you "feel" "god" within you.
So please, don't discount other's theories without hearing what they have to say.
Just because you belief strongly in your thoughts on God, doesn't make them right, nor does it make someone's else's wrong.
Peace be with you.
There is a little truth about additions being added to Bible Scriptures. But very little, and most likely additions were made just to clearify the meaning of scriptures.

Some Bible Translations will actually italiciized the words that have been added, and there isn't near as many as you make it sould like.

What you call your facts is more like callinmg a little drizzle a thunderstorm. You give a very tiny fact, but make it sound like a huge significant fact, when in reality those tiny a few additions to the Bible never ever changed the main message in the Bible, and any Bible Scholar would tell you that.

There's also Scientist who give scientific facts to support some of those Bible tells Like Noak's Flood, etc. So maybe you just don't consider all the scientific facts that disgree with your untruthful and exaggerated facts.

You can find links to books about scientist and historians, who completely disagree with you and your distorted & again exaggerated so called facts.(Perhaps facts in your own mind!)

Just come to my website at:

http://thelordsplace.bravehost.com

Then read and click on links! Read some facts from Scientist, then see how much your facts have been distorted and exaggerated to fit the thinking & agenda of those who don't want to account to the Authority Of God Almighty.
Rusty

United States

#34 Oct 23, 2006
Child Of God wrote:
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I don't think you know what you're talking about. Jesus knew before and after his death that he would rise to life from death, because Jesus knew he was the resurrection of life in John 11:25. Which means he had power to raise everyone from death.(Even Himself!)
The truth is: Jesus did rise from the dead, and he's alive right now sitting on the right hand of God almighty. That's what separates him from everyone else.
So don't say he didn't, because it would just show how little you really know. Again! I don't think you know what you're talking about.
You're probably just bias in your comments because you're not Christian. But you don't speak according to knowledge. Just dumb mummble jumble.
But if you want to be educated about the truth about Jesus, Creation, and the Bible, which is God's divine word, then visit my website at:
http://thelordsplace.bravehost.com
You just might learn something about facts & evidence, which will reveal and teach about the divinity of Jesus Christ. So then you'll be able to speak according to knowledge
Hope to see you there!
Question to our theological scholars, Why didn't Jesus write down his parables and teachings instead of letting someone else do it or dictate it. If he was God, then he knew that his sayings were going to get misinterpreted. As God or the son of God, he could of made things clearer.
Scutter

Glendale, CA

#35 Oct 23, 2006
Child Of God wrote:
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Just come to my website at:
http://thelordsplace.bravehost.com
Then read and click on links! Read some facts from Scientist, then see how much your facts have been distorted and exaggerated to fit the thinking & agenda of those who don't want to account to the Authority Of God Almighty.
Oh, and dear "Child", quit shamlessly plugging your website on EVERY post! Once every 5 or 10 posts or so, is more than enough. The way you do it now it just looks tacky like a bad stereo salesman who gets a commission. If you're going to try to 'sneak witness" with your website to all us poor doomed sinners, try to be a tad more subtle about it. As it stands now, it just look desperate!
Child Of God

United States

#36 Oct 23, 2006
Scutter wrote:
<quoted text> Actually there is no mention of Paul EVER having met Jesus before his supposed vision. In fact, Paul had more to do with the" Jesus as sacrificial lamb" idea than anyone else in Chistianity. Without him Chrisianity would not be the "died on the cross for your sins" faith that it is now. So, how much of Chrisianity is Jesus and how much is Paul and his own interpretations...-oh, I'm sorry, I mean "visions"
You just revealed one fact: You don't know the Bible very well! You still haven't answered the question! What made Paul change his belief in Jesus Christ?

Scripture clearly reveals Paul was a persecutor of Christians. Even Peter had problems concerning Paul. A Christian named Stephen was stoned to death in Acts 7:54-60. Saul who later became Paul approved of Stepen's death in Acts 8:1 So Saul(Paul) approved of stoning Christians. So what changed his mind if he didn't see a vision of Jesus?

Saul(Paul) Was a very dedicated Jew who probably seen Christians as blaspheming against the God of Israel. That is: Until he had his vision and re-read his own Old Testament scriptures which clearly revealed the mystery of Jesus Christ which Paul refers to in Ephesians 3:9.

Do you think that Peter who denied Jesus three times, would have mustered up his own courage to be crucified upside down on the cross, if he didn't sincerely believe Jesus was the Christ.


Imagine if Jesus wouldn't have risen from the dead. Coward Peter most likely would have hid with his tail between his legs somewhere. But something happened that made him courageous enough to be crucified for his faith, as well as many written about in the book of Christian martyrs. So what happened to Peter?

Oh Yes! The book of Thomas, which was an obvious forgery, because it speaks about people who lived two hundred years after Christ. 66 Bible books were chosen for the Bible Canon out of hundreds of religious books. So What? Some were forgeries! Some weren't!

It's how much the ones that were chosen harmonized with the Old Testament, which prophesized beforehand about Jesus, Which Peter refers to in First Peter Chapter 1 verses 10-12.(Not Paul's words, but Peter's words.)

John refers to Jesus as being the Lamb of God in John 1:36 and sees Jesus as The Lamb of God all through the Book Of Revelation. Peter quotes from Isaiah 53:7 in First Peter 2:24 (By his stripes we are healed). Isaiah 53:7 speaks about the Lamb led to slaughter. Which many Bible Scholars consider Isaiah 53 to be one big prophecy of Jesus Christ.( So it wasn't just Paul as you stated!)


But you errored: Peter wrote first & second Peter! James wrote James. John wrote the Gospel John, 1,2,3 epistles of John, and Revelation.

All four Gospels speak about the resurrection.(Not just Paul) Luke was a Physician who wrote Luke & Acts.(Luke & Acts being like Part one & Part Two of Luke's account of the acts of Jesus in the Gospel Luke, then the Acts of the disciples in the books of Acts.) Luke wasn't one of the original twerlve didciples. But Jesus had many other followers, and Luke was most likely one of them.

Matthew replaced Judas who hanged himself for betraying Jesus. Mark was one of the original. The New Testament was written years later, but by some of the diciples. Peter, James, John, Mark, Matthew who replaced Judas. Then Luke who most likely witnessed the crucifixion.
Child Of God

United States

#37 Oct 23, 2006
Way It Is wrote:
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Perhaps you should learn the difference between facts and what you claim.
By The Way. What facts are you referring to? I didn't see you give any! What claims of mine are you referring to? I didn't see you give any facts to dispute any claims I made. Perhaps you're just a bag of win, and you breathed for a second.
Child Of God

United States

#38 Oct 23, 2006
Scutter wrote:
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Oh, and dear "Child", quit shamlessly plugging your website on EVERY post! Once every 5 or 10 posts or so, is more than enough. The way you do it now it just looks tacky like a bad stereo salesman who gets a commission. If you're going to try to 'sneak witness" with your website to all us poor doomed sinners, try to be a tad more subtle about it. As it stands now, it just look desperate!
At least you're right about that! I mean I really do want people to come to my website. I'll do all the advertising I can. Here's my web address again:

http://thelordsplace.bravehost.com

So Yes! I like to advertize my website a lot. That fact doesn't change other truths though. Does it?
Child Of God

United States

#39 Oct 23, 2006
Scutter wrote:
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Oh, and dear "Child", quit shamlessly plugging your website on EVERY post! Once every 5 or 10 posts or so, is more than enough. The way you do it now it just looks tacky like a bad stereo salesman who gets a commission. If you're going to try to 'sneak witness" with your website to all us poor doomed sinners, try to be a tad more subtle about it. As it stands now, it just look desperate!
Oh P.S. It's not desperate! I just created my website a few days ago. Give it a month! Let's see what happens.
MrDarryl

Ossining, NY

#40 Oct 23, 2006
I guess I'll answer the question...
I think that if JC were alive today he would be consider an enemy of the state by our present administration. Enemy #1

Think about. He was just to understanding and compassionate to all. And I mean everyone.

I was going to make a T-Shirt, and maybe one day I'll see it after I post it here. The t-shirt would read in solid serif type -- Terrorists are people too--

Jesus would understand...and then be arrested after wearing the t-shirt at the Republican Convention.
Child Of God

Ashburn, VA

#41 Oct 23, 2006
Rusty wrote:
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Question to our theological scholars, Why didn't Jesus write down his parables and teachings instead of letting someone else do it or dictate it. If he was God, then he knew that his sayings were going to get misinterpreted. As God or the son of God, he could of made things clearer.
Truth is: Many Bible Scholars believe the second member of the Trinity.(Father, Son, Holy Spirit.) was incarnated into the Life & Ministry of Jesus Christ. The second member of the Trinity(Son) existed at creation, and is also part of the Godhead.(God) Which all things were created through at creation time.

So the Son (Second member of the Trinity) was a Spirit being in Old Testament times, and he inspired the Old Testament writers. Peter referred to the Spirit of Christ in the Old Testament Prophets in First Peter 1:11.

But your question: Why Didn't Jesus write things down. Some believe he did.(Gospel of Jesus) But I don't know about that. I haven't studied it yet!

The Thing is: Jesus did teach his Gospel to the disciples, and expected them to feed his sheep with the Gospel, as he intructed Peter in John 21:15-17.

Luke 24:46-48(46.Thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day. 47. And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations beginning at Jerusalem.48. And ye are all witnesses of these things.)

The thing is: The real God in Jesus is a Spirit being, who chooses to speak through his servants or people. But you might notice one thing in verse 48 above, when Jesus said ye are witnesses.

Witnesses to what? Answer: Jesus had already arisen from the dead in Luke Chapter 24. He then appeared unto some, who he began teaching Old Testament scriptures to regarding Old Testament prophecies of his crucifixion and resurrection from death. So he was saying that they were witnesses to his crucifixion and resurrection.

After Jesus taught these people about Old Testament prophecies concerning himself, then he ascended into Heaven. Luke elaborates more about his ascension in Acts Chapter one, because Luke wrote both Luke & Acts, so Luke was just starting in Acts where he left off in Luke.

The Answer: The Spirit in Jesus preferred to speak through his people. But I understand your question. I asked it before myself!

Jesus said in Revelation 3:20 That he stands at the door and knocks, if any man hears his voice and opens the door, then he will come into that man and sup together with him.(He means the door of their heart!)

He means the Holy Spirit in him will come into his people who open their hearts to him. Which means it's the Holy Spirit who speaks through his people.

You did ask a good question. This is as far as I've gotten to answer the question I once asked myself.

Another sincere question I asked God once was:(How can I know the Bible is your inspired Word?) That's when the Lord brought me to John 5:39, where Jesus said that Old Testament scriptures speak about him. Then the light bulb caim on!

Because I knew the Old Testament was written hundreds of years before he was born. So how can the Old Testament speak about him, if it isn't inspired by God who knows the future?

Remember! That we know he was referring to the Old Testament, because the New Testament wasn't written yet when he made that statement in John 5:39. He also taught about the Old testament scriptures in Like 24 stated above, and in various other places in the Gospels.

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