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SHANAYNAY

Providence, RI

#450 Apr 21, 2013
bRYAN YOU ARE WRONG THIS IS SHANANAY LOOK AT MY COMMENT BLACK PEOPLE HAD IT HARDER AND I'M ONLY 14 AND I CAN GIVE YOU A 1000 REASONS PROVING WHY YOU ARE WRONG
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#451 May 11, 2013
calibay wrote:
<quoted text>Your right...in a way, 6 million people didn't die during the slave trade, between 40-60 million died.
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Oh geez. Smh.

The numerical figure which you listed above, of 40-60 million dying is WAY, WAY inflated.

Even left wing afrocentrics have NEVER stated a numerical number anywheres near any such 40-60 million.

Yes, 6 million Jews did die during the Holocaust.

Please take some time out & evaluate African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) "positives". Compared to Jews positives.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) "positives".---- American basketball & some positions in American football. In American football, as wide receivers, running backs, cornerbacks & defensive linemen.

There are some good African American comedians, actors, actresses & singers.

There are some other "professional" African Americans. That's it.

Now, let's look at the Jews.---- Jewish people are VERY classy, cultured & honorable people.

Jewish people have made TREMENDOUS strides & contributions to the United States & to the whole world. In all of these respective areas.---

Science, medicine, engineering, agriculture, architecture, finance, heavy industry, light industry, airplanes, shipping, computers, space programs, satellites, law, politics, television media, newspaper print venues, military science, military technology, military tactics & strategy.

So, Jews are WAY more of an asset to the United States & to the rest of the nations of the world.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#452 May 11, 2013
calibay wrote:
<quoted text>others were being beaten, dehumanized, children were taken from mothers, daughter raped and inpregnated by their "masters".
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Yes, this did happen. Tragically so.

But, these happenings were NOT the rule. These happenings were the very, very rare EXCEPTIONS.

Please take some time out & look at the Institution of American slavery. In its entirety.---

American slavery was WAY more humane. Compared to black African slavery.

This is why.--- When America had American slavery in operation.--- African Americans ancestors were given a salary, good food, clothes, fresh water & comfortable living quarters.

In addition, African Americans ancestors were able to work in the nice, warm southern weather with the nice, comfortable breezes.

The African American slave women were able to lay out in the nice, warm southern weather with the nice, comfortable breezes.

American slavery wasn't that bad at all.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#453 May 11, 2013
calibay wrote:
<quoted text>Also don't forget about what the Native Americans had to endure as well.
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True. Regretably so.

But, it was war. A few of the Native American groups were warring against the Whites. Whereas several other respective Native American groups were Allies of the Whites.

Way, way before ANY Whites ever came to this nation, the Native American groups were engaged in constant, continual warfare among themselves.

Way, way before ANY Whites ever came to this nation, this land was way, way less developed.

When the American military undertook ventures back then, they took EXTREME precaution to avoid civilian casualties.

For many generations now.---- The United States federal government has given A LOT of aid to Native Americans.

One such example.---- The federal government allowing the casinos to operate on Native American territory.

For many decades now, Native Americans very tragic problems of alcoholism, suicides, truancy from school & dropping out of school.---- Are the results of self destructive behaviors from within.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#454 May 11, 2013
Thauglytruth wrote:
why did they destroy our history,culture, religion, art.
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Whites didn't do this stuff in regards to African American ancestors.

Before any Whites ever traveled to any respective black African nation(s).--- There were black African Kings, Queens, doctors & other educated black Africans in the black Sub-Saharan African nations.

But, the black Africans who were the Kings, Queens, doctors & other educated black Africans in the black Sub-Saharan African nations.---- Were NOT African Americans ancestors.

PRIOR to any Whites arriving in Africa.---- African Americans ancestors did NOT have a culture.

African Americans ancestors did not have any culture whatsoever was because they were slaves.

In my next post, I'll expound upon this dynamic.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#455 May 11, 2013
Thauglytruth wrote:
First of all yes many Africans sold their enemies into slavery, the funny part is their is no record of this.
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Are you aware of your points which you are typing up?

I pose this question, because your second point totally contradicts your first point.

Your first point which you typed up.--- Was factually correct.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#456 May 11, 2013
Thauglytruth wrote:
First of all yes many Africans sold their enemies into slavery.
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You are 150% correct about this.

To look at slavery in its entirety.----

Way, way BEFORE any Whites ever traveled to any black Sub-Saharan African nations.--- African Americans ancestors were already enslaved. African Americans ancestors were already enslaved by rival, black African tribes.

African Americans ancestors were already enslaved by these rival, black African tribes was because they were the losers in battle to these rival, black African tribes.

This is why African Americans ancestors were enslaved by these rival, black African tribes.

These black African empires who sold African Americans ancestors to the Whites.--- These black African empires were ALLIES to the Whites.

The black African tribal chiefs VERY openly & very willingly sold African Americans ancestors to the Whites.

Black African slavery was WAY more brutal. Compared to American slavery. American slavery was WAY more humane.

Most black Africans in the Sub-Saharan African nations were pro slavery.

Had most black Africans been against slavery which was being practiced on the continent of Africa.--- There is absolutely NO way that slavery would have lasted in black African nations.

Had the Whites not purchased African Americans ancestors, they would have been neutralized at the hands of these rival, black African tribes.

Years prior to slavery being ended in the nations of this hemisphere ((United States, nations of the Caribbean, Central America & South America)).--- Black African tribal chiefs sent representatives to these nations. To try to talk them out of banning slavery.

Black African tribal chiefs did this because they were profiting from the slave trade.

Again, the Black African empires were the Allies to the Whites.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#457 May 11, 2013
Thauglytruth wrote:
Why does the West fear Africa's economic empowerement?
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It depends.

If the black African government is an enemy to the West.--- Yes, the West will undertake measures.

If there is a black African organization which is an enemy to the West.---- Yes, the West will undertake measures.

Here are some examples of this.----

1. MPLA organization of Angola.

2. FRELIMO organization of Mozambique.

3. Ethiopias former Derg regime which was headed by Haile Mengistu Miriam.

4. PAIGC organization of Guinea-Bissau.

5. ZIPRA organization of the former African nation of Rhodesia. Now Zimbabwe.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#458 May 11, 2013
Thauglytruth wrote:
Why does the West fear Africa's economic empowerement?
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Primarily not.

It is because almost the ENTIRE continent of Africa is aligned with Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.

Since these respective black African nations are Allies to Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.

Since these respective black African organizations are Allies to Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.---

Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom don't mind these black African nations having economic growth.

Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom don't mind these black African organizations having power.

In my next post, I'll list the main black African Allies to Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#459 May 11, 2013
Thauglytruth wrote:
Why does the West?
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Throughout the years of the "Cold War", Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom had black African Allies.

Even with the Cold War ending back in 1991, the alliances continued. They still exist.

Here's a list of Israels, the United States & the United Kingdoms main black African Allies. As to why the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom MUST take an active role in Africas affairs.----

1. UNITA & FNLA organizations of Angola. As well as their supporters.

2. Renamo organization of Mozambique. As well as their supporters.

3. West African OCAM alliance. As well as their supporters.

4. West African ECOWAS alliance. As well as their supporters.

5. West African ECWA alliance. As well as their supporters.

6. Nigerian government. As well as their supporters.

7. In Nigeria.--- The supporters of Sani Abacha.

8. In Liberia.--- After Charles Taylor & his NPFL organization were forced out back in 2003.---- Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom got any ally with the new Liberian government. Headed by Ellen Johnson Sirleaf.

As well as their supporters.

9. In Liberia.---- The supporters of Samuel Doe.

10. In Liberia.--- After Charles Taylor was forced out.--- Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom forced Taylors NPFL organization to moderate their views.

11. Democratic Republic of the Congo.---- The supporters of Joseph Mobutu.

12. In Eritrea.---- The Eritrean government.

The Eritrean EPLF Party. Its leader, Isaias Afewerki.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#460 May 11, 2013
Thauglytruth wrote:
Why does the West?
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Other examples. Of Israels, the United States & the United Kingdoms main black Africa Allies.

Since these black African nations are Allies to Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.

Since these black African organizations are Allies to Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.--- Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom DOESN'T "fear" them having economic growth. Or having power.

13. In Eritrea.--- Many Paramilitary organizations within Eritrea.

14. In Kenya.---- The Kenyan government. As well as their supporters.

15. In Somalia.---- Somalias new Transitional Federal Government (TFG). As well as their supporters.

16. In Ethiopia.---- After the Derg regime was overthrown back in early 1991.--- Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom picked up Ethiopia as an ally.

With Ethiopias EPRDF Party. Their leaders. As well as their supporters.

17. In Zambia.---- The Zambian government. As well as their supporters.

18. In Cameroon.---- The Cameroonian government. As well as their supporters.

19. In Senegal.---- The Senegalese government. As well as their supporters.

20. In Chad.--- The FANT & FAP organizations. As well as their supporters.

21. In Chad.---- The supporters of Hissene Habre.

22. In Tanzania.---- The Tanzanian government. Prior to Julius Nyereres death, Julius brought the Tanzanian government increasingly close to Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.

23. In Equatorial Guinea (EG).---- The Equatorial Guinean government. After Macias Nguemas regime was overthrown.----

Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom picked up Equatorial Guinea as an ally.

24. In Guinea-Bissau (GB).---- The Guinea-Bissaun government.

After Amil Cabral was murdered.--- Amils PAIGC Party moderated their views.

Moved increasingly towards Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.

These are Israels, the United States & the United Kingdoms main black African Allies.

There are many, many more black African Allies. But, these would be the main ones.

There is also the AFRICOM.

So, if a black African nation is aligned with Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.--- Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom don't mind the black African nation getting economic growth.

If a black African organization is aligned with Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.---- Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom don't mind the black African organization having power.
jessica styles

Covington, GA

#461 May 12, 2013
Ainsworth wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the point rat face, We the citizens of the United States owe your tribe Nothing, Zero, Zilch, Nada!!
ok dude like thats not even cool what youre saying isnt realy caled for im researching the holocaust for a project i feel both slavery and the holocaust are extremely uncalled for nobody needs to get trated like that and you should maybe realize that we were all made from the same person and we all bleed the same color no matter if you pink purple or green were all the same and you know its a shame that a 8th grader has more sence than en adult you wouldnt be able to deal if you were a jew or a african american maybe if someone were to put you through what they went through then youll relize how they felt they were treated like wild animals but really thats how they shouldve been treated and me as a black 13 Y.O. girl i love whites indies asians and others like were all the same cause we are so get youre crap together and stop acting like a PIG
Rod

Indianapolis, IN

#462 May 15, 2013
Slavery! Let me just put it this way, 400 YEARS! Death is no comparison to a lifetime of slavery. Constant fear, mental and physical torture. Some posts I've read make it seem as if Slavery was a stay at some resort. My great great grandmother had 15 children not becuase she was planning a big happy family, the children were Increased labor and profit. My ancestors were considered cattle. When slave owners weren't raping their slaves they would have studs, yes studs from other plantations come in to breed to increase reproduction. Let's not forget the years that followed such as reconstruction, Jim Crow and separate but equal NOT. My family was from the south (glad they moved) but when even to this day I hear stories of suffering and I see the aftermath reaching so even into my mothers generation, all I can do is thank God for the blessings that I am alive today, that come from strong stock and I had the chance to get an education. I am in no way being dismissive of the suffering caused by the Holocost. I'm sure the survivors and or family members of survivors may disagree with me. Truth be told aren't we all survivors today in some way or another? Lets move on and learn from the past.

P.S. I'm well aware that Africans sold other Africans, but who brought the shiny trinkets, sugar and guns? However, i agree they did sell thier own people and this is why I don't refer to myself as African American. I could care less about Africa or Africans and this is coming from a Black American.
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#463 May 16, 2013
atrocities is atrocities
regardless, who suffered
there are no degrees or even to measure
when it comes, to suffering
it should never happen, to anyone
but, what's worse, is when
NOBODY does nothing
to stop these atrocities
that is happening now in other countries
Jake

Windsor, Canada

#464 May 19, 2013
Slavery was worse because it lasted 500 years. The holocaust lasted only 5 years at most. A gass chamber sounds better to me then being raped and abused and killed how ever witch way my master decides that day.
Faris

Englewood, NJ

#465 Jun 12, 2013
I agree to Rod's judgement. I think slavery was unnecessary in many ways. It's true that I'm NOT a African American but a Black American. I feel great sorrow for the dead slaves whom have done nothing wrong that was treated like crap and deserved better. I am 14 years old but it doesn't mean I don't know how to feel sorry for the dead. I hope all of those dead slave to rest in peace (R.I.P).
KIMBERLIE BANKS

Lucerne Valley, CA

#469 Jun 13, 2013
YOUR RIGHT 6 MILLION PEOPLE DIDNT DIE OVER 100 MILLION BLACK PEOPLE DIED IN THE SLAVE TRADE AND STILL DIE TODAY THE SLAVE TRADE WAS BY FAR THE WORST TRAGEDY COMMITTED ON A RACE OF PEOPLE THAT THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN. PEOPLE NEED TO STOP TRYING TO HIDE THE TRUE FACTS ABOUT SLAVERY AND TELL THE TRUTH. BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MISS-TREATED AND EXPLOITED FOR CENTURIES BY EVERYONE. THE HOLOCAUST WAS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO CLAIMED TO BE THE JEWS AND PRACTICED THE FAITH THAT BLACKS ABANDONED. HITLER KNEW THIS AND PUNISHED THEM FOR IT. BLACK PEOPLE ARE GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE AND THE TRUE HEBREWS. RESEARCH BEFORE YOU JUDGE WEVE ALL BEEN LIED TO.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#470 Jun 13, 2013
How can you compare two extremely bad tragedies, and only single out African slavery?

This sounds like kids when they say, "My life is worse." "No my life is worse!"

The fact is, slavery in general was bad just as much as the holocaust.
nick2

UK

#471 Jun 15, 2013
In slavery 30 million Africans died compared to the 6million that died during the Holocaust. Please if were going to argue use the right information. However both were truly horrific. It does make me wonder how wicked people are though.
billy

Ashburn, VA

#472 Jun 26, 2013
6 million jews died in a 4 to 5 year spand, times that by 400 years, but doesnt matter if hitler was succesful after ww2, there would of been a black holocaust after the jews were eliminated.so it doesnt matter. just be happy its just history now.

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