Frist of all the slavey last for 400 years compared to the holocaust. 15 million died in slavary compared to 6 millon. Im a black jew and both slavey and the holocaust were bad really really bad. But if u think about it Blacks and jews are the most hated in all the world- histoy proves that. Maybe it could be because Jews are God chosen people and it is proven that in anchent times like during moses times there were black jews.Could it be that were Gods chosen people and hated-think about it.<quoted text>
Why don't you send your kids to an all negro school for a good dose of diversity?
#407 Mar 1, 2012
#408 Mar 9, 2012
slaves would have been fine where they were. They were kings and queens and doctors and very educated people. The whites. Came to Africa and stole the diamonds and precious Jules. Now they don't have anything. Your ignorant if you believe that, just because its all you see on Tv.
#409 Apr 9, 2012
Dave if your mother was taken away from you brought to a foreign land treated as cattle raped beaten There is a possibility you perhaps wouldn't feel like you do, I personally have accepted that these atrocities did take place and although in the pass never forgotten. Today and everyday since the holocaust took place the Germans are paying for it, they have apologised on numerous occasions. Who has accepted responsibility for slavery who has apologised for this crime..... I'll tell you who black Africans that who.
People like you who choose to bring up such sore subjects without facts were never born with heart. When your poor mother gave birth to you it appears you were delivered via the anal passage.
#410 Oct 2, 2012
slaves were hungry beat raped tortured for bieng black. jews were close to extermination went through genocide were gassed test subjects
well both were wrong and tragic but slavery its what i am leaning toward because slavery lasted alot longer families seperated people were use to thier homeland africia thier language and nationality was changed thier traditions thier names and just bieng born into slavery is just wrong pitiful i feel horibly bad for anyone who is tortured but slavery is just so much worst
#411 Nov 14, 2012
That's....not true....There were tens of millions of Africans who were taken from Africa...and a majority of those people did not survive. Then you must count that examples were made out of slaves...so many died during those "examples"...and you must remember that slavery lasted for over 200 years...and then there are the slaves that tried to run away and were killed.... These records/numbers aren't found in our history books so we automatically assume that the Holocaust had more victims, and that's not necessarily true. I'm not saying that slavery was worse, or better. What I am saying is that the history of slavery is so distorted and not fully reported on in our textbooks that it minimizes the struggle of slaves, while also minimizing the effects it has had on our current generation.
#412 Nov 22, 2012
i bleive that the middle passage was worst or slavery but if u do ur reserch and look at the different conditions that they were each in closely pay attention u will relize it too and plus slavery lasted wayyyyyyyyyyyy longer than the holocaust yes the holocaust was devasting but slavery was way worser and the jews were given over 10 billion dollars for how they have been treated in the past but what in the world do black people get yep thats right OVERLOOKED
#413 Nov 28, 2012
Not at all. From the mid 1960s till now, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) have been paid reparations. In these respective forms.---
The White-American masses collectively & American governmental entities at the federal, state & local levels have done PLENTY. To help & empower African Americans.
Since White-Americans are Americas numerically dominant majority & since White-Americans pay the most in taxes.--- White-Americans have been disproportionately paying for the African Americans who are on welfare & other entitlements.
Examples of aid given to African Americans. At the grassroots level.---
Among the respective White groups, Jewish-Americans have especially done a lot to help & empower African Americans.
Jewish-Americans played a very critical & pivotal part in the formation of the National Association Colored People (NAACP), National Urban League (NUL), Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) & the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) organizations.
Jewish-Americans played a very critical & pivotal part in the sustaining of all of these African American organizations.
Jewish-Americans also gave a lot of assistance to the 1960s African American "Civil Rights Movement". This aid primarily consisted of monetary donations & legal assistance.
In addition, back in the 1960s, many Jewish-Americans who lived in the northern American states.--- These Jewish-Americans traveled down to the southern American states. To confront the Jim Crow laws which the southern American states had in place back then.
Other examples of aid.--- From the 1960s till now, African Americans have been given preferential treatment in the areas of aid, job hiring, set asides & university admissions.
From the 1960s till now, African Americans have been given trillions & trillions of dollars in aid in these forms.--- Welfare, housing aid, rent assistance, heat assistance, educational aid, health care aid, TANF, Section 8, AFDC, WIC, transportation aid, phone bill aid, legal aid, child care, day care, foster care, affirmative action/quotas, set aside & federal jobs.
So, the White-American masses collectively & American governmental entities at the federal, state & local levels have MORE than done their fair share to help & empower African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Subsequently, reparations have been paid.
#414 Nov 28, 2012
See ya --- In regards to your previous post to me,#408.--- You said "slaves would have been fine where they were".-- Uh, not at all.
African slavery was (Still is) VERY brutal.
American slavery was WAY more humane. Compared to the slavery systems which the respective African nations utilized.
You said "They were kings and queens and doctors and very educated people".--- Granted, black African kings, queens, doctors & other educated ones existed.
But, the black Africans who were the kings, queens, doctors & other educated ones were NOT African Americans ancestors.
With all due respect, one must look at slavery in its entirety.
This is the deal.-- Way, way before any Whites ever traveled to Africa, African Americans ancestors were already enslaved. African Americans ancestors were already enslaved by rival, black African tribes.
African Americans ancestors were already enslaved by these rival, black African tribes was because they were the losers in battle to these rival, black African tribes.
This is why African Americans ancestors were enslaved by these rival, black African tribes.
These black African empires who sold African Americans ancestors to the Whites.---
These black African empires were ALLIES of the Whites.
The black African tribal chiefs VERY openly & very willingly sold African Americans ancestors to the Whites.
American slavery was WAY more humane compared to black African slavery.
Had the Whites not purchased African Americans ancestors, they would have been neutralized at the hands of these rival, black African tribes.
Years before slavery was to be ended in the nations of this hemisphere ((United States (US), nations of the Caribbean, Central America & South America)).--- Black African tribal chiefs sent representatives to these nations. To try to talk them out of banning slavery.
Black African tribal chiefs did this because they were profiting from the slave trade.
Again, the Black African empires were the ALLIES of the Whites.
#415 Nov 28, 2012
See ya --- Your last points to me here.--- You said "Came to Africa and stole the diamonds and precious Jules".--- No.
Way, way back, when landing parties from the United Kingdom (UK), France, Belgium & Portugal went to black African nations.--- This was in COLLUSION with black African empires. In alliance.
You said "Now they don't have anything".--- Totally false.
Africa is LOADED with vital raw materials.
Actually, sub-saharan Africa (Aka -- Black Africa) is the MOST critical land area for the future of the world.
Due to black Africas immense natural resources.
In my next post, I'll list Israels, the United States (US) & the United Kingdoms (UKs) main black African Allies.
#416 Nov 28, 2012
Nope. Africa is still LOADED with raw materials. Very vital ones at this.
The United States (US) federal government cannot have a hands off approach regarding Africa.
The US federal gov't MUST take a very active role in African affairs.
The African continent is CRITICAL for the future.
Throughout the Cold War years, Israel, the US & the United Kingdom (UK) had black African Allies.
Even with the Cold War ending back in 1991, the alliances continued. They still exist.
Here's a list of Israels, the USs & the UKs main black African Allies. As to why the US, Israel & the UK MUST take an active role in Africas affairs.---
1. UNITA & FNLA organizations of Angola. As well as their supporters.
2. Renamo organization of Mozambique. As well as their supporters.
3. West African OCAM alliance. As well as their supporters.
4. West African ECOWAS alliance. As well as their supporters.
5. West African ECWA alliance. As well as their supporters.
6. Nigerian government. As well as their supporters.
7. In Nigeria.--- Supporters of Sani Abacha.
8. In Liberia.--- After Charles Taylor & his NPFL organization were forced out back in 2003.--- Israel, the US & the UK got an ally with the government (Headed by Ellen Johnson Sirleaf) & their supporters.
9. In Liberia.--- Supporters of Samuel Doe.
10. In Liberia.--- After Charles Taylor was forced out, Israel, the US & the UK forced Taylors NPFL organization to moderate their views.
11. Democratic Republic of the Congo.--- Supporters of Joseph Mobutu.
12. In Eritrea.-- Eritrean government.
EPLF Party & its leader, Isaias Afewerki.
13. In Eritrea.-- Many Paramilitary organizations within Eritrea.
14. Kenyan government. As well as their supporters.
15. Somalian government.--- Somalias new Transitional Federal Government (TFG). As well as their supporters.
16. Ethiopian government.--- After the Derg regime was overthrown back in early 1991.--- Israel, the US & the UK picked up Ethiopia as an ally.
With the EPRDF Party & its leader, Meles Zenawi.
As well as their supporters.
17. Zambian government. As well as their supporters.
18. Cameroonian government. As well as their supporters.
19. Senegalese government. As well as their supporters.
20. In Chad.-- The FANT & FAP organizations. As well as their supporters.
21. In Chad.--- The supporters of Hissene Habre.
22. Tanzanian government.--- Prior to Julius Nyereres death, he brought the Tanzanian gov't increasingly close to Israel, the US & the UK.
23. Equatorial Guinean (EG) government.--- After Macias Nguemas regime was overthrown.--- Israel, the US & the UK picked up EG as an ally.
24. Guinea-Bissauan government.--- After Amil Cabral was murdered.-- His PAIGC Party moderated their views.
Moved increasingly towards Israel, the US & the UK.
These are Israels, the USs & the UKs main black African Allies.
There are many, many more. But, these examples would be the top Allies.
There is also the AFRICOM.
This is why the US federal gov't HAS to take an active role in Africas affairs.
The US federal gov't HAS to have a hands on approach.
So does Israel & the UK.
#417 Nov 29, 2012
Rye ---- In regards to your previous post,#399.--- You said "If you do your research you'll find out that it was the jewish people who financed the atlantic slave trade".--- Even if this is true, so what.
Way, way back, when the institution of legal slavery was in operation in the lands of this hemisphere ((United States (US), the nations of the Caribbean, Central America & South America)).--- It was WAY more humane. Compared to black African slavery.
You said "Those people over there in israel are not even the real jews".-- They SURE are.
What you are saying here, you sound anti-Zionist. You also sound like an anti-Semite.
Granted, there are some "black" Jews. Probably the most notable black Jews would be these.-- Sammy Davis Jr., Whoopi Goldberg, Lisa Bonet, David Blumenthal, Nell Carter, Drake, Goapele, Meagan Good, Lani Guinier, Kidada Jones, Rashida Jones, Zab Judah, Jamaica Kincaid, Boris Kodjoe, Yaphet Kotto, Lenny Kravitz, Lauren London, Saoul Mamby, Rain Pryor, Tracee Ellis Ross, Rovetta, Maya Rudolf & Shyne.
There are also the black Ethiopian Jews. The Beta Israel. The Falashas.
Most Jews are White.
#418 Nov 29, 2012
Rye --- In regards to your previous post,#398.---
You said "Slavery lasted nearly 400 years and approximately 100 million blacks died".--- Totally NOT true.
This figure of "100 million" has been listed by many left wing afrocentrics. All left wing afrocentrism has been debunked by all mainstream historians & anthropologists.
You said "The holocaust only lasted 15 years and only approximately 6 million jewish people died".--- 6 million is A LOT.
Please put the dynamic of what happened in the proper perspective.---
Which group is more of an ASSET to the United States (US) & to the rest of the world?--- African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves)? Or, Jews?
Let's look at accomplishments.---
What positive contributions have African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) made?--- American basketball players. Some positions in American football. In American football, as wide receivers, running backs, cornerbacks & defensive linemen.
There are some good African American comedians, actors, actresses & singers.
Now, let's look at ALL of the things which Jews in America & throughout the rest of the world have done for mankind.---
Jewish people have made TREMENDOUS strides & contributions to America & to the rest of the world. In the areas of science, medicine, engineering, agriculture, architecture, finance, heavy industry, light industry, airplanes, shipping, railroads, television media, newspaper print venues, computers, space programs, satellites, law, politics, military science, military technology, military tactics & strategy.
So, Jews are WAY more of an ASSET to the US & to the rest of the nations of the world.
#419 Nov 29, 2012
Rye --- You said "They've been in israel now for over 60 years, and every since they got over their its been nothing but war".--- Well, why has the nation of Israel HAD to fight wars?
Israel has HAD to fight wars due to the aggression of the Arab nations & the Arab terrorist organizations.
Here are many examples of this.--- 1. When Israel first became a nation back in 1948.--- Its Arab neighbors, Syria, Egypt, Transjordan, Lebanon & Iraq didn't recognize Israels right to exist.
These Arab nations all attacked Israel.
In addition, Arab guerrilla / terrorist organizations, the Holy War Army, Arab Liberation Army & the Muslim Brotherhood also attaked Israel.
2. Back in 1956.--- Syria & Egypt carried out attacks against Israel. This led to war.
3. Back in 1967.--- Syria & Egypt carried out attacks against Israel. This led to the 6 day war.
4. Back in 1973.-- Syria & Egypt carried out attacks against Israel. This led to the October, 1973 Yom Kippur War.
5. For many decades, Syria, Egypt (Egypt used to, up until the 1978 Camp David Peace Accord), Libya, Southern Yemen (Southern Yemen used to up until 1990) & Iraq (Iraq used to up until March, 2003).--- Have bankrolled Arab terrorist organizations which have carried out terrorist attacks upon Israeli men, women & children.
These are the Arab left wing terrorist organizations.-- PLO factions.--- Al Fatah, As Saiqa, PFLP, DFLP, PPP, PLF, ALF, Fida, PPSF, PAF & the PFLP-GC.
These are the Arab Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations.--- Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood & the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.
For many decades, Israel, under its many Prime Ministers which it has had from the Israeli Labor Party & even from the Likud Party have ALWAYS negotiated & bargained in good faith with the Arab nations.
Even with the Arab terrorist organizations.
It has been the Arab nations & Arab terrorist organizations which have NEVER negotiated or bargained in good faith with Israel.
So, Israel is NOT to blame.
Israel & Israelis have every right to defend & protect themselves. By whatever means necessary.
#420 Nov 29, 2012
Rye --- Your last point here.--- You said "what's afghanistan? war, iraq? war, what's iran? War".
Iran hasn't been attacked. At least not yet. But, Iran is being monitored VERY closely.
The United States (US) former president, Republican George Bush Jr. HAD to order the invasions & liberations of Afghanistan & Iraq.
Regarding Afghanistan.--- America was attacked on 9/11 by Osama Bin Laden & his Islamic fundamentalist Al Qaeda organization. Afghanistan was under the control of the Islamic fundamentalist Taliban regime. The Taliban were providing Bin Laden & his Al Qaeda organization with safe haven, weapons & training.
Subsequently, Bush Jr. had to order the invasion & liberation of Afghanistan.
Regarding Iraq.--- Iraq was under the control of Saddam Hussein & his left wing Ba'ath Party dictatorship. Hussein couldn't be trusted. Hussein was very anti-American, anti-Israel & anti-British.
Hussein had ties to international Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations.
Hussein had weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).
These were some of Husseins biological weapons stockpile.-- Anthrax, Ricin, Botulinum Toxin, Saxitoxin, Staphylococcal Enterotoxin B, T-2 mycotoxin & Tetrodotoxin.
These were Husseins chemical weapons stockpile.-- Mustard Gas, Lewisite, Phosgene, Tabun, Sarin, Soman & VX.
Colin Powell pointed this stuff out at the United Nations (UN).
Even our nations former president, democrat Bill Clinton EVEN acknowledged this stuff.
Right prior to American & Allied forces invading Iraq.--- Hussein moved his WMD stockpiles to Syria & to Iran. Primarily to Syria because Syria is also under the control of the Ba'ath Party (A different faction than Iraq).
This took place back in early March, 2003.
ALL of this stuff has been very well documented by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Israeli Mossad Organization & the British MI6 Organization.
Here are many other top sources who have also documented this.---
1. Iraqi General Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti.
2. Lt. General Michael DeLong.
3. John Loftus.
4. Ion Mihai Pacepa. Ion was a Romanian defector. Pacepa was also the former top head of Romanias Intelligence Services.
5. Iraqi General Georges Sada.
6. Nizar Nayouf. Nayouf was a former high level Syrian journalist.
7. Moshe Ya'alon. Moshes rank in Israel was Israeli Chief of Staff & the Head of the Israeli Defense Forces.
Ya'alon was also a very high ranking member of the Israeli Likud Party.
Moshe was also Vice Prime Minister & Prime Minister for Israels Strategic Affairs.
8. Ariel Sharon.
Ariel was an Israeli General & former Prime Minister of Israel.
ALL of these respective people have fully documented Iraqs former left wing Ba'ath Party dictatorship having WMDs.
Subsequently, the American & Allied invasion & liberation of Iraq was FULLY justified. Also, a very just & noble cause.
#421 Nov 29, 2012
dave fatherly --- In regards to your previous post,#406.--- You said "The African holocaust which America refers to as slavery was by far worse because more africans died then jews".--- Totally not true.
WAY more Jews died during the Holocaust.
Jews are WAY more productive people than African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) positives are this.--- American basketball & some positions in football. In American football, as wide receivers, running backs, cornerbacks & defensive linemen.
There are some good African American comedians, actors, actresses & singers.
Let's look at ALL of the things which Jews have done for mankind.---
Jewish people have made TREMENDOUS strides & contributions to America & to the whole world. In the areas of science, medicine, engineering, agriculture, architecture, finance, heavy industry, light industry, airplanes, shipping, computers, space programs, satellites, law, politics, television media, newspaper print outlets, military science, military technology, military tactics & strategy.
Jews are WAY more of an asset to America & to the rest of the nations of the world.
You said "goes unaccounted for cause documentation did not exist for black people".--- Documentation sure did exist in the United States (US), the nations of the Caribbean, Central America & South America.
Primarily in the United States.
You said "and the destruction of the African family and culture".--- African Americans ancestors didn't have a culture PRIOR to any Whites arriving in Africa.
African Americans ancestors didn't have any culture whatsoever since they were slaves.
Since African Americans ancestors were already slaves to rival, black African tribes.
You said "The fact that people were wiped till they were unconscious, thrown over a boat in which they drown or were eaten by sharks, lost limbs and body parts due to not meeting a labor quota, men and women raped, used as science projects which established surgery, and meaning less killings to install fear".--- Granted, stuff like this did happen.
But, these occurrences were VERY rare.
Especially in regards to the shipping lanes of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade which went to the United States (US).
Please let's look at the entirety of the time frame when the US had the institution of legal slavery in operation.--
American slavery was WAY more humane than black African slavery.
This is why.--- African Americans ancestors were given a salary, good food, clothes, fresh water & comfortable living quarters.
Furthermore, African Americans ancestors were able to work in the nice, warm southern weather with the nice, comfortable breezes.
The African American slave women were able to lay out in the nice, warm southern weather with the nice, comfortable breezes.
American slavery wasn't that bad at all.
#422 Nov 29, 2012
dave fatherly --- Your last point here.--- You said "which built and financially supported and developed majority of the world".--- Picking cotton didn't build anything. Whatever profits which the American White southern slave owning families made, these profits were wiped out by 1865.
Whatever "good" which African American ancestors did, it has been more than offsetted due to the behavior, actions & attitudes of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) from 1960 till now.
#424 Dec 9, 2012
Slavery is entirely worst, and black people did die, 6 million died in the holocaust, and that was no more than a decade, imagine centuries of that and tell me which was worst.
#425 Dec 9, 2012
Both slavery and the Holocaust were the inevitable results of a people who had turned their backs on the Lord. And many innocents ended up suffering alongside of them.
#426 Dec 31, 2012
Okay. I feel the need to respond to Sara from Georgia. First, I believe that slavery is a far worse crime against humanity than the Holocaust was. Why? Well, the Jews received some semblance of justice in 1945 when the NAZIS were put on trial at Nuremberg. Moreover, the Jewish descendants received trillons of dollars in reparations payments from those Swiss banks. As for descendants of black slaves like myself, we have had no such luck. Slaveholders have never been held accountable for the crimes against humanity that they committed. We certainly haven't received any reparations payments from the American government.
It is very easy for Sara to dismiss slavery as "the past" due to her position in life. She has in fact benefited from the crimes her ancestors committed. African-Americans are routinely stereotypes as criminals and dismissed as second class citizens in the United States. We are chronically underrepresented in the medical schools, law schools and in fortune 500 businesses. The Presidency of Barack Obama has done little to narrow the socioeconomic disparities between blacks and whites. Sara has a very romanticized view of these issues and tends to look at history through "rose-colored" glasses rather than for what these crimes truly represented.
#427 Dec 31, 2012
Bryan, you really need to go back to school. Not only were the Jews compensated by the Swiss banks, most of the NaZIS were held accountable for their crimes at the Nuremberg trials of 1945. Slaveholders have never been held accountable for anything and blacks certainly have not received repararations from the US government. Now, I agree that if the states agreed to pay reparations to blacks, the trillions of dollars owed would cripple the US economy. Bryan, you have a lot to learn.
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