Sabah is for PHI or MAS?
Genesis

San Jose, CA

#1 Sep 23, 2013
Sabah is a gift from Brunei to Philippines since the 16th century. Went to the Sulu sultanate in 1658 and later became a British colony in 1882.

Sabah is leased. Because a Jap's colony from 1941 - 1945 and again, returned to the British in 1948. Americans keep reminding them that Sabah is part of the Philippines but votings happen in 1957 and became part of Malaysia.

But not yet, it stated on self-governance in 1963 and later joined the Malaysian government in the same year.

The history of Sabah is quite confusing though. It just only states that one British negotiates with the sultan but it proved failure. But I'll give it a brief report.

It was written that on Jan 23, 1878, the Ruler of Sulu, Sultan Jamalul Alam leased Sabah (formerly known as North Borneo) to Gustavus Von Overbeck for an annual rent of equivalent 5,000 dollars through Von Overbeck’s trading partner Alfred Dent. It was also recorded that this amount of money (USD1,500 per year) is still being paid to the heirs of the Sulu Sultan by the Malaysian Embassy in the Philippines until today.

The keyword in the written agreement was “Pajak” which if translated literally means “Lease”. It was also explicitly written that the rights to Sabah cannot be transferred to any other nation or anyone else without the Sulu Sultan’s express consent.

The Spaniards in Manila eventually took control of the entire Sulu Sultanate; and in 1885, Great Britain, Germany, and Spain signed the Madrid Protocol confirming Spanish influence over everything in the Philippines except Sabah which belongs to the Sultanate.

Great Britain was reminded by America in official black and white in 1906 and 1920 that Sabah does not belong to Great Britain; and was and is at all material times legally and legitimately part and parcel of the Sulu Sultanate.

The British government, however as we all know, arrogantly and unilaterally did turn Sabah into a Crown-leased Colony on July 10, 1946 even though there was a declaration by Chief Justice CFC Makaskie of the High Court of North Borneo on Dec 19, 1939 in a civil suit filed by Dayang Dayang Hadji Piandao and 8 other heirs of the Sulu Sultan including Putlih Tarhata Kiram that the successor of the Sulu Sultan in the territory of Sabah was Punjungan Kiram and not Great Britain!

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Common sense tells me that if the occurrence was real, the only reason our security forces dare not open fire on the raiders is either our boys are outnumbered or their guns outsized.
bill

Australia

#2 Dec 25, 2013
how then do we resolve it without killing somebody or going backwards toward the old pirate days ? whaling and slavery are no longer fashionable..

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