Why do some homosexuals say God 'made...

“ reality, what a concept”

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#62 Jan 10, 2014
NinaRocks wrote:
I don't understand why the name Sodom has been used the way it has. When the Abraham spoke with God before the destruction he begged, repeatedly, for the cities to be spared. It says that they were guilty of every depravity and were decadent and spoiled. At least that's how I read it. Even Lot's wife was turned to a pillar of salt because she looked back. Why? Because she didn't want to give up a posh and comfortable life? It was a major cosmopolitan centre and rich from trade.
God made me heterosexual, but does that mean I can't sin? Of course not. I can't give up my inclinations to certain activities either. I can only control myself because I am capable of reason, and not an animal.
The Bible says God created all things, and He allows evil. Our hearts know when we do wrong, and that is very personal to each one of us.
Genesis is Moses's condensed version of the history of his people, not the complete history. Most of the stories Moses is retelling, have one or even more stories attached to them, that aren't considered sacred, but are for the most part, believed to be 'true'. Abraham and his descendents are given title to the property after God's urban renewal of Sodom, Gomorrah and three other cities, so the stories associated with them by Abraham's descendents, not good. Their stories associate these people with being guilty of every sin in the book, including the complete list of sexual ones. There's even one about the women of Sodom knowingly seducing angels in a work called the Testament of the Twelve Prophets. The Jewish people and their books and stories spread across Europe and elsewhere, centuries before Jesus came on the scene, but since they really didn't accept converts, their religion didn't. Against this backdrop of familiarity with the stories that the Jews had about these places, comes Christianity ala Paul and its emphasis on aestheticism. There was but one way to be doing it and only one reason to be doing it and then you got married in the eyes of God to forgive you for when you do it again, only if you were successful at it, everything else was sinful and God knows when you do it. Confess, repent, try not to repeat. When Priests talked about the sexual sins of Sodom to folk back then, they had actually heard about them, even though none are actually mentioned in either Christian Testament. They knew sodomy to mean, everything but making a baby and you weren't really supposed to be enjoying that any more than necessary to do the deed, God was watching and seriously doesn't approve. They taught the death threat by male on male gang rape as being the last straw when it came to what the good people of Sodom were willing to do sexually. The Christian notion of God limiting the sin of the Sodomites to only those acts of the same sex is a fairly modern one.

Every one has a natural an inalienable right to believe pretty much whatever it takes to get them through the day. If someone wants to believe that God hates me or just the things they imagine I do, that is between them and Him. I accept that that is what they want to pray and that they do have every right to pray it. As long as they keep their problem with me or what they imagine I might do between them and God, I'll keep any problems I might have with them or what they do between me and God too.

dad of 3

Portland, OR

#65 Jan 10, 2014
Did "God make them gay"? You have stumbled onto a... very large bone of contention (pun intended)– personally I feel it's a choice, the result of having given into temptation. Now as to where the temptation came from, that's a whole other... bone (gosh I crack me up :-) and I also feel there's a difference between being homosexual [sorry folks, but that is the real word for "gay"] and merely once in a while playing with another man. Now I've only done that in concert with a mfm situation with either my wife for their wife/fiancé/gf, but you have to get over your phobia about seeing/touching another man's throb-monster, if the sex play in progress calls for it (like guiding him back into the woman if he's going to fully withdraw on every stroke during intercourse, or if she gets off by seeing two men do something, etc.)

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#66 Jan 10, 2014
yon wrote:
Yahweh allows wickedness to an extreme and does not wish to destroy. But when it gets to the point of no return.......
Ezekiel 18:23
"Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked? says the Lord, and not rather that he should turn from his evil way."
Heb 10:31 "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
You believe this mythology?

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#67 Jan 10, 2014
Doctor REALITY wrote:
There are many homosexuals who truly believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and who actually go to church on a regular basis, but also continue to embrace the homosexual lifestyle. Believing in the Lord is fine, of course, but Christ-accepting homosexuals who continue to practice the gay lifestyle are putting themselves at risk of having their lives cut short. It's wrong, and it's of the devil, for people to commit violence against homosexuals because they know they're 'gay' and don't like it, but it's only normal for some heterosexual men to feel 'offended' by effeminate men.
Look at you. You claim to be a Christian but show wanton disregard for the Bible's commands against your horrible behavior.

e.g. you busybody yourself in other people's matters.

1 Peter 4:15

New King James Version (NKJV)

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters.

You set yourself up as a judge.

Matthew 7:1

New King James Version (NKJV)

Do Not Judge

7 “Judge not, that you be not judged.

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#68 Jan 10, 2014
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>You are a child of SATAN!!
Projection

“Quite Contrary”

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#69 Jan 10, 2014
dad of 3 wrote:
Did "God make them gay"? You have stumbled onto a... very large bone of contention (pun intended)– personally I feel it's a choice, the result of having given into temptation. Now as to where the temptation came from, that's a whole other... bone (gosh I crack me up :-) and I also feel there's a difference between being homosexual [sorry folks, but that is the real word for "gay"] and merely once in a while playing with another man. Now I've only done that in concert with a mfm situation with either my wife for their wife/fiancé/gf, but you have to get over your phobia about seeing/touching another man's throb-monster, if the sex play in progress calls for it (like guiding him back into the woman if he's going to fully withdraw on every stroke during intercourse, or if she gets off by seeing two men do something, etc.)
So you're only a player if you sign up for the team?

I like to justify myself as much as the next person, but deep down, you know you can't lie to yourself forever.

Oh! Oh!! It's okay if you don't really enjoy it? Brilliant!
that girl

Ayton, Canada

#70 Jan 10, 2014
http://smileythooth.blogspot.ca/

What I had to say in lieu of this thread was about 5000 characters too much. so i made it into a blog post.

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#71 Jan 10, 2014
that girl wrote:
http://smileythooth.blogspot.c a/
What I had to say in lieu of this thread was about 5000 characters too much. so i made it into a blog post.
'In lieu of' means 'instead of'. The word you want is 'regarding' or 'concerning', etc.:)

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#72 Jan 10, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Genesis is Moses's condensed version of the history of his people, not the complete history. Most of the stories Moses is retelling, have one or even more stories attached to them, that aren't considered sacred, but are for the most part, believed to be 'true'. Abraham and his descendents are given title to the property after God's urban renewal of Sodom, Gomorrah and three other cities, so the stories associated with them by Abraham's descendents, not good. Their stories associate these people with being guilty of every sin in the book, including the complete list of sexual ones. There's even one about the women of Sodom knowingly seducing angels in a work called the Testament of the Twelve Prophets. The Jewish people and their books and stories spread across Europe and elsewhere, centuries before Jesus came on the scene, but since they really didn't accept converts, their religion didn't. Against this backdrop of familiarity with the stories that the Jews had about these places, comes Christianity ala Paul and its emphasis on aestheticism. There was but one way to be doing it and only one reason to be doing it and then you got married in the eyes of God to forgive you for when you do it again, only if you were successful at it, everything else was sinful and God knows when you do it. Confess, repent, try not to repeat. When Priests talked about the sexual sins of Sodom to folk back then, they had actually heard about them, even though none are actually mentioned in either Christian Testament. They knew sodomy to mean, everything but making a baby and you weren't really supposed to be enjoying that any more than necessary to do the deed, God was watching and seriously doesn't approve. They taught the death threat by male on male gang rape as being the last straw when it came to what the good people of Sodom were willing to do sexually. The Christian notion of God limiting the sin of the Sodomites to only those acts of the same sex is a fairly modern one.
Every one has a natural an inalienable right to believe pretty much whatever it takes to get them through the day. If someone wants to believe that God hates me or just the things they imagine I do, that is between them and Him. I accept that that is what they want to pray and that they do have every right to pray it. As long as they keep their problem with me or what they imagine I might do between them and God, I'll keep any problems I might have with them or what they do between me and God too.
Thank you for the interesting reply. As to people minding their own business, I agree. I have enough worrying about my own without adding someone else's. We don't all have to agree to get along.
What I do have a problem with is people getting part of it right, and then totally missing the point. Or worse, deliberately using a small truth to legitimize a big lie.
that girl

Ayton, Canada

#73 Jan 10, 2014
Dont judge others because they sin differently than you.
Nobody here is perfect.

“ reality, what a concept”

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#74 Jan 10, 2014
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Richard the homosexual......you are of your father, Satan the devil. And the homosexual deeds of your father you desire to do. And the devil who deceived them was cast into the bottomless pit. And they also will be TORMENTED......FOREVER AND EVER. What many people don't REALIZE is that being in 'torments' in scripture in the book of Revelation does not refer to 'physical suffering', but rather 'spiritual, psychological, emotional suffering.....in HELL. Lost, Christ-rejecting human souls will be in 'torments in hell' because they will REALIZE that they themselves are to blame for them being there because they rejected the Lord Jesus Christ when they were alive in the former world. Just keepin' it.......REAL.
That is just so Christian of you, not very much Christlike, but definitely Christian, unfortunately. Sweetie, I don't know what that thing is that you have brought with you is, but it's not the Lord Jesus Christ and I'm pretty sure He's going to be none to happy with you mistaking that beast you've dragged in here for Him. Just keeping it REAL....
Doctor REALITY

United States

#75 Jan 10, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>That is just so Christian of you, not very much Christlike, but definitely Christian, unfortunately. Sweetie, I don't know what that thing is that you have brought with you is, but it's not the Lord Jesus Christ and I'm pretty sure He's going to be none to happy with you mistaking that beast you've dragged in here for Him. Just keeping it REAL....
It's a whole lot more 'Christ-like' than you being naked in the bed with another 'half-man'.

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#76 Jan 10, 2014
Simple - If god didn't want there to be any gays, then there wouldn't be any!

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#77 Jan 10, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
Simple - If god didn't want there to be any gays, then there wouldn't be any!
Exactly. What's up with these mentally ill pseudo Christians anyway?

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#78 Jan 10, 2014
Doctor REALITY wrote:
There are many homosexuals who truly believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and who actually go to church on a regular basis, but also continue to embrace the homosexual lifestyle. Believing in the Lord is fine, of course, but Christ-accepting homosexuals who continue to practice the gay lifestyle are putting themselves at risk of having their lives cut short. It's wrong, and it's of the devil, for people to commit violence against homosexuals because they know they're 'gay' and don't like it, but it's only normal for some heterosexual men to feel 'offended' by effeminate men.
Homophobic men were the most sexually aroused by gay male sex acts.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-q...
Doctor REALITY

United States

#79 Jan 10, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Homophobic men were the most sexually aroused by gay male sex acts.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-q...
http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploa...

“ reality, what a concept”

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#80 Jan 10, 2014
Doctor REALITY wrote:
It's a whole lot more 'Christ-like' than you being naked in the bed with another 'half-man'.
So you pray. Good luck with that by the way, you're going to need it. God does not know you.

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#81 Jan 10, 2014
Doctor REALITY wrote:
STFU evil reprobate.

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#82 Jan 10, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>So you pray. Good luck with that by the way, you're going to need it. God does not know you.
God knows he is an evil reprobate.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#83 Jan 11, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
God knows he is an evil reprobate.
HE isn't the only one who knows.

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