Since: Apr 13

Bulacan, Philippines

#25395 May 2, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
People know that God is REAL. They just want to be 'free' to sin at will. Some 'freedom'.'Spiritual slavery' is more like it.
Ive heard of this before. That Atheist doesnt believe in God just to free themselves from its preaching and sins. But ive spoken to some Atheists and some of them doesnt believe in God because the evidences are not yet that convincing. Either that or they still have doubts and questions on other religious preachings.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#25396 May 2, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
People know that God is REAL. They just want to be 'free' to sin at will. Some 'freedom'.'Spiritual slavery' is more like it.
I know no such thing-- I would love it, if there were a benevolent deity watching out for humanity's future.

But there is no reason to think that-- none-- apart from mental sickness, of course.

As for sin? I do not sin-- not by any authority I recognize, such as the US Constitution.

Your bible? Not relevant-- legally, the bible is not an authority over anyone, least of all me.

That no establishment clause in the aforementioned US Constitution.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#25397 May 2, 2013
Lexis123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ive heard of this before. That Atheist doesnt believe in God just to free themselves from its preaching and sins. But ive spoken to some Atheists and some of them doesnt believe in God because the evidences are not yet that convincing. Either that or they still have doubts and questions on other religious preachings.
Indeed I know of >>no<< atheist who has turned to atheism because of fear of some retribution of some mythical god.

That's silly-- as silly as worrying about the Tooth Fairy.

There is zero reason to believe in a god-- none.

That's pretty much it-- if there is zero evidence for a god?

What's left after that?

The default is atheism.

Since: Apr 13

Bulacan, Philippines

#25398 May 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed I know of >>no<< atheist who has turned to atheism because of fear of some retribution of some mythical god.
That's silly-- as silly as worrying about the Tooth Fairy.
There is zero reason to believe in a god-- none.
That's pretty much it-- if there is zero evidence for a god?
What's left after that?
The default is atheism.
Thats why i find it funny they are calling Atheists as escapers from sins and judgements. Oh well, these people, when they dont disagree with your belief they will always find a reason (no matter how lame it is) to throw at you :)

PS
Im no atheist.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#25399 May 2, 2013
Lexis123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats why i find it funny they are calling Atheists as escapers from sins and judgements. Oh well, these people, when they dont disagree with your belief they will always find a reason (no matter how lame it is) to throw at you :)
PS
Im no atheist.
I may or may not be an "atheist", depending on which of several definitions you choose.

It doesn't matter, really-- all I ask for, is proof for any and all claims made, before I'll conditionally accept them as valid.

That's it.

Simple, really-- not complicated in the least.

For proof, I'll accept anything that is both objective and repeatable/testable.(can be measured)

If it cannot be measured? It's not real--by definition.

But never mind all that-- I have yet to meet someone who believes in supernatural stuff, who does not have some moldy-old book that they think is an authority on the subject.

Why is that? Why is an old book required?

Why cannot these ... gods... make modern contact with people?

I never ever get an answer to that one...

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Since: Jan 10

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#25401 May 3, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
People know that God is REAL. They just want to be 'free' to sin at will. Some 'freedom'.'Spiritual slavery' is more like it.
And how do we know this? Did the magical skydad come from his flyinng chariot.

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Since: Jan 10

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#25402 May 3, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
I can mostly agree with that, but I would also have to point out that the vast majority of people do that - they will find something, ANYthing, that they can use to puff themselves up. Even atheists do it, claiming that the fact that they are atheists makes them SO much smarter than theists. The mere fact that, statistically speaking, they are most likely right has no bearing on the case.
As an atheist, I know that there are theists who are much smarter then me. But no matter how smart they are, it is hard to respect them, when 1-they claim that their god exist without evidence
2-defend books that call for sexism, hate, and intolerance,
3-post dumb things like saying that fossils were put on earth by the devil to deceive us.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#25404 May 3, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I know no such thing-- I would love it, if there were a benevolent deity watching out for humanity's future.
But there is no reason to think that-- none-- apart from mental sickness, of course.
As for sin? I do not sin-- not by any authority I recognize, such as the US Constitution.
Your bible? Not relevant-- legally, the bible is not an authority over anyone, least of all me.
That no establishment clause in the aforementioned US Constitution.
You will perish with your lord and master, Satan the devil, on Judgement Day before the Lord Jesus Christ.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#25405 May 3, 2013
BOB OF QUANTUMN FAITH-YA GOT THAT 1984 THING RIGHT
DOUBLE PLUS GOOD! TYRANNY IS FREEDOM
HARDER WORKER=CHEAPER LABOR
FORWARDS IS BACKWARDS
I REMEMBER WHEN WINSTON WAS READING THE GOOD BOOK AND HE PULLED THE PAGE APART THAT WAS ACTUALLY TITLED OLIGARCHY

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#25406 May 3, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>You will perish with your lord and master, Satan the devil, on Judgement Day before the Lord Jesus Christ.
LOL!

So you admit that within your ugly religion, that you love your satan-god more?

For you give your satan-god all the REAL power.

That is soooo FUNNY!

You are literally a satan-worshiper....!

LOL !

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Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#25407 May 5, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>You will perish with your lord and master, Satan the devil, on Judgement Day before the Lord Jesus Christ.
Quit trying to scare people into believing. Hell is no more scarier then the Witch of Snow White.
kayla

Saginaw, MI

#25408 May 10, 2013
I guess some people don't believe in God because they never go to church or get taught but I believe in God and some people do and some don't I glad I go to church . People now Blive in stuff thAt's not ture at all but they can't believe in God well I glad I am going to heaven with the rest of the people who believe with me the others who don't believe are going to hell where there going to suffer .but my mom told that there is going to be people who are nice and some who are mean.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#25410 May 10, 2013
kayla wrote:
I guess some people don't believe in God because they never go to church or get taught ...
False. I grew up in church, went multiple-times a week for most of my life.

Yet? After reading the >>whole<< bible? I became an atheist...

... you ought to try that: read ALL of the bible, not just the 1% you've been given to read.

It'll melt your ears...
kayla wrote:
... but I believe in God and some people do and some don't I glad I go to church .
Are you, really? I know of a large contingent of small kids, who were forced to attend church, and were subsequently molested by the church's leadership.... who were then whisked away to do it all again in another unknowing parish...

... where was your god THEN? Why did not your god STOP these pedophiles in their tracks, by showing the local police what they were doing?

Is that TOO MUCH to ask of your god? To help STOP child abuse in it's tracks, by helping the police find the perps?

Apparently...!
kayla wrote:
People now Blive in stuff thAt's not ture at all but they can't believe in God...
Well... your god certainly does HIDE himself from anything useful...

... how about all the STARVING KIDS around the world? Do you think THEY believe, as they die from starvation?

All that your god would need to do? Is... MAKE IT RAIN...

.. but apparently THAT is too much, too...!
kayla wrote:
... well I glad I am going to heaven with the rest of the people who believe with me the others who don't believe are going to hell where there going to suffer
Are all the little kids who STARVE TO DEATH going to hell too?

Just curious..... your god cannot FEED them, so I guess he doesn't like them either, so it's OFF TO HELL for them, too...
kayla wrote:
.but my mom told that there is going to be people who are nice and some who are mean.
Yes... that is true. You appear to be one of the mean ones--

--- you happily condemn STARVING KIDS to an early grave-- then on to HELL FOREVER.

That >>is<< pretty mean of you...

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#25411 May 10, 2013
kayla wrote:
I guess some people don't believe in God because they never go to church or get taught but I believe in God and some people do and some don't I glad I go to church . People now Blive in stuff thAt's not ture at all but they can't believe in God well I glad I am going to heaven with the rest of the people who believe with me the others who don't believe are going to hell where there going to suffer .but my mom told that there is going to be people who are nice and some who are mean.
I have read the buybull and I've gone to church. That is why I don't believe

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#25412 May 11, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
False. I grew up in church, went multiple-times a week for most of my life.
Yet? After reading the >>whole<< bible? I became an atheist...
... you ought to try that: read ALL of the bible, not just the 1% you've been given to read.
I pity you a bit. I ma glad that I left religion at age eighteen. My awakening was when I read the book The Secret Origins Of The Biblehttp://www.amazon.com/Sec ret-Origins-Bible-Tim-Callahan /dp/0965504786, a book which exposed the many lies, contradictions, and the heartless nature in the Buybull. Even then I refused to be an atheist(I was 13 at that point)Then I watched the movie on the Scopes Monkey Trial and realized the extent of Christian nastiness. How these loving Godbots wanted to destroy a man's life just for teaching evolution. Then, I discovered the two contradictory stories of creation in the buybull.
At this point, my twin told me that he did not believe in God. He told me that belief in the creation was not consistent with belief in evolution. I called him a blasphemer, but he was right. The reality was that I was a atheist all but in name. The only thing that was stopping me from fully declaring myself was the thought of not having a divine being who punishes wicked people. It scared me then and still scares me now-the thought that evil people like Stalin and Ivan the Terrible could kill so many people and get away with their crimes.
When I went to college, I took a class in religion. My pro asked completely reasonable questions like; "If we have free will, then how could God know things in advance?"Why does a good God allow innocent children die? Why do we inherit original sin from what we did not commit
Watching xtians fumble and mumble in response was what convinced me to announce myself openly. I realize that scaring people to do good by the thought of hell has not stopped wars and genocides from happening. In fact, we've had less wars and oppression while we are getting less religious. I realized a truly just God would not allow for the deaths of newborn infants or allow people to be born with disabilities.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#25413 May 11, 2013
kayla wrote:
I guess some people don't believe in God because they never go to church or get taught but I believe in God and some people do and some don't I glad I go to church . People now Blive in stuff thAt's not ture at all but they can't believe in God well I glad I am going to heaven with the rest of the people who believe with me the others who don't believe are going to hell where there going to suffer .but my mom told that there is going to be people who are nice and some who are mean.
"Mama said 'heaven is like a box of chocolates, there's some mean folks and there's some nice folks, but at least they all believe in the same sky wizard as we do!"

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#25414 May 11, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
I pity you a bit. I ma glad that I left religion at age eighteen. My awakening was when I read the book The Secret Origins Of The Biblehttp://www.amazon.com/Sec ret-Origins-Bible-Tim-Callahan /dp/0965504786, a book which exposed the many lies, contradictions, and the heartless nature in the Buybull. Even then I refused to be an atheist(I was 13 at that point)Then I watched the movie on the Scopes Monkey Trial and realized the extent of Christian nastiness. How these loving Godbots wanted to destroy a man's life just for teaching evolution. Then, I discovered the two contradictory stories of creation in the buybull.
At this point, my twin told me that he did not believe in God. He told me that belief in the creation was not consistent with belief in evolution. I called him a blasphemer, but he was right. The reality was that I was a atheist all but in name. The only thing that was stopping me from fully declaring myself was the thought of not having a divine being who punishes wicked people. It scared me then and still scares me now-the thought that evil people like Stalin and Ivan the Terrible could kill so many people and get away with their crimes.
When I went to college, I took a class in religion. My pro asked completely reasonable questions like; "If we have free will, then how could God know things in advance?"Why does a good God allow innocent children die? Why do we inherit original sin from what we did not commit
Watching xtians fumble and mumble in response was what convinced me to announce myself openly. I realize that scaring people to do good by the thought of hell has not stopped wars and genocides from happening. In fact, we've had less wars and oppression while we are getting less religious. I realized a truly just God would not allow for the deaths of newborn infants or allow people to be born with disabilities.
You just don't understand, blasphemer! Our lord heyzeus works in mysterious ways, maybe he likes it when innocent children die! Ever think of that one, you big smarty pants? Maybe he stares down logical contradictions in the face until they run scared!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#25415 May 11, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
I pity you a bit. I ma glad that I left religion at age eighteen. My awakening was when I read the book The Secret Origins Of The Biblehttp://www.amazon.com/Sec ret-Origins-Bible-Tim-Callahan /dp/0965504786, a book which exposed the many lies, contradictions, and the heartless nature in the Buybull. Even then I refused to be an atheist(I was 13 at that point)Then I watched the movie on the Scopes Monkey Trial and realized the extent of Christian nastiness. How these loving Godbots wanted to destroy a man's life just for teaching evolution. Then, I discovered the two contradictory stories of creation in the buybull.
At this point, my twin told me that he did not believe in God. He told me that belief in the creation was not consistent with belief in evolution. I called him a blasphemer, but he was right. The reality was that I was a atheist all but in name. The only thing that was stopping me from fully declaring myself was the thought of not having a divine being who punishes wicked people. It scared me then and still scares me now-the thought that evil people like Stalin and Ivan the Terrible could kill so many people and get away with their crimes.
When I went to college, I took a class in religion. My pro asked completely reasonable questions like; "If we have free will, then how could God know things in advance?"Why does a good God allow innocent children die? Why do we inherit original sin from what we did not commit
Watching xtians fumble and mumble in response was what convinced me to announce myself openly. I realize that scaring people to do good by the thought of hell has not stopped wars and genocides from happening. In fact, we've had less wars and oppression while we are getting less religious. I realized a truly just God would not allow for the deaths of newborn infants or allow people to be born with disabilities.
I was once religious. But.

I got better....

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#25416 May 11, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You just don't understand, blasphemer! Our lord heyzeus works in mysterious ways, maybe he likes it when innocent children die! Ever think of that one, you big smarty pants? Maybe he stares down logical contradictions in the face until they run scared!
Thor. Almighty Thor-- the wielder of Lightning, the holder of Molnir.

That other guy? He got his azz nailed to a stick...

.... Thor for the Win!

;)

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Since: Jan 10

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#25417 May 12, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I was once religious. But.
I got better....
;)
What was the point/s that finally convinced you to get better, if you don't mind me asking?
Was there a particular book that opened your eyes the way the Secret Origins Of the Bible did for me?

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