Bible says, "Through God, all things are possible".

What that means to me is this: everyone has a shot at heaven. In the end its God's decision and only God's decision counts.

If all things are possible,,,,,,then everyone has a shot at eternity.

You answered your own statement "Through God"
everyone has a shot through God They must accept Christ as their savior. So every thing is possible THROUGH GOD

Not really larry......thats You saying they must accept God.

A Guy could be a scumbag or a thief........if God says he's in......he's in.

If God says larry's out, cause he doesn't like the way larry interprets his word.....or they way larry judges others.......then ole larry is out.

Maybe bribing St Peter?

Crotch Crab Cabin wrote:

Bible says, "Through God, all things are possible".
What that means to me is this: everyone has a shot at heaven. In the end its God's decision and only God's decision counts.

"Therefore, since it remains that some will enter into it, and those who formerly received the good news did not enter because of disobedience."

"So by their fruits you will know them.
"Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

Many will say to me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
Then I will declare to them solemnly,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'"

"The treasure and wealth of the nations will be brought there,
but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any (one) who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life."
Hebrews 4:6, Matthew 7:20-23, Revelation 21:26-27

Crotch Crab Cabin wrote:

If all things are possible,,,,,,then everyone has a shot at eternity.

You're right 3-C.
Everybody has a shot at eternity.
The question is,.... Where?

Idi O Syncrasy wrote:

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"Therefore, since it remains that some will enter into it, and those who formerly received the good news did not enter because of disobedience."
"So by their fruits you will know them.
"Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
Then I will declare to them solemnly,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'"
"The treasure and wealth of the nations will be brought there,
but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any (one) who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life."
Hebrews 4:6, Matthew 7:20-23, Revelation 21:26-27
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You're right 3-C.
Everybody has a shot at eternity.
The question is,.... Where?

well heck, according to that writing.....God looks as though he already knows whose name is in the book and whose name is not in the book (as he should, he wrote the book and he's God)

so that being said......why did God even bother creating people.....that he already knew.....wouldn't get to heaven?

sounds like a bored God huh? Just up there screwing around with bodies, lives, and such.....like lil plastic toy soldier dolls.

Crotch Crab Cabin wrote:

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well heck, according to that writing.....God looks as though he already knows whose name is in the book and whose name is not in the book (as he should, he wrote the book and he's God)

Well heck,....according to YOUR Reading, you misunderstood the writings.
All the writings show a course of action required of us by God.
Like any book, the Book of Life can have names entered and erased.

Crotch Crab Cabin wrote:

so that being said......why did God even bother creating people.....that he already knew.....wouldn't get to heaven?
sounds like a bored God huh? Just up there screwing around with bodies, lives, and such.....like lil plastic toy soldier dolls.

God demands that we choose to follow, not be automatons.
That is why people are created with free will.

"Therefore, since it remains that some will enter into it, and those who formerly received the good news did not enter because of disobedience." Heb.4:6
(Here we clearly see that obedience to God is required.)

"So by their fruits you will know them.
"Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

Many will say to me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
Then I will declare to them solemnly,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'" Matt.7:20-23
(Here we see that actively living our faith and doing works of God's will is required, fruits of the spirit.)



"The treasure and wealth of the nations will be brought there,
but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any (one) who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life."
Revelation 21:26-27
(Here we clearly see that nothing unclean by God's standards nor anyone that lies or sins against the Spirit enters.)

All demonstrations of action and choices required on the part of the individual.

Idi O Syncrasy wrote:

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Well heck,....according to YOUR Reading, you misunderstood the writings.
All the writings show a course of action required of us by God.
Like any book, the Book of Life can have names entered and erased.
<quoted text>
God demands that we choose to follow, not be automatons.
That is why people are created with free will.
"Therefore, since it remains that some will enter into it, and those who formerly received the good news did not enter because of disobedience." Heb.4:6
(Here we clearly see that obedience to God is required.)
"So by their fruits you will know them.
"Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
Then I will declare to them solemnly,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'" Matt.7:20-23
(Here we see that actively living our faith and doing works of God's will is required, fruits of the spirit.)
"The treasure and wealth of the nations will be brought there,
but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any (one) who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life."
Revelation 21:26-27
(Here we clearly see that nothing unclean by God's standards nor anyone that lies or sins against the Spirit enters.)
All demonstrations of action and choices required on the part of the individual.

So you are saying God doesn't know everyones fate already. You're saying God doesn't know all.

what church taught you that?

try raping a little boy. it seems to work for the catholics

you left out hate gays

Stella Mangione wrote:

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So you are saying God doesn't know everyones fate already. You're saying God doesn't know all.
what church taught you that?

New name Stella?
It's more presentable than your 3-C alias.

God created people with free will.
Otherwise, why get out of bed in the morning?
Whatever is going to happen will happen anyway.
Yo can always claim, "it's God's will" or "the devil made me do it", that's fate.
But we both know that's not the case.

By the grace of God, and redemption of Jesus, you are presented with the opportunity to serve God and seek salvation for your soul.
You can not only find that teaching in the Bible, like the scriptures I presented, but you can also find that in the teachings of Tradition from the True Church of God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect1c...

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God created man a rational being, conferring on him the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions. "God willed that man should be ‘left in the hand of his own counsel,' so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him."26
Man is rational and therefore like God; he is created with free will and is master over his acts.27
I. Freedom and Responsibility

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Freedom is the power, rooted in reason and will, to act or not to act, to do this or that, and so to perform deliberate actions on one's own responsibility. By free will one shapes one's own life. Human freedom is a force for growth and maturity in truth and goodness; it attains its perfection when directed toward God, our beatitude.

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As long as freedom has not bound itself definitively to its ultimate good which is God, there is the possibility of choosing between good and evil, and thus of growing in perfection or of failing and sinning. This freedom characterizes properly human acts. It is the basis of praise or blame, merit or reproach.

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The more one does what is good, the freer one becomes. There is no true freedom except in the service of what is good and just. The choice to disobey and do evil is an abuse of freedom and leads to "the slavery of sin."28

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Freedom makes man responsible for his acts to the extent that they are voluntary. Progress in virtue, knowledge of the good, and ascesis enhance the mastery of the will over its acts.

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Imputability and responsibility for an action can be diminished or even nullified by ignorance, inadvertence, duress, fear, habit, inordinate attachments, and other psychological or social factors.
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Every act directly willed is imputable to its author:
Thus the Lord asked Eve after the sin in the garden: "What is this that you have done?"29 He asked Cain the same question.30 The prophet Nathan questioned David in the same way after he committed adultery with the wife of Uriah and had him murdered.31

An action can be indirectly voluntary when it results from negligence regarding something one should have known or done: for example, an accident arising from ignorance of traffic laws.

"God willed that man should be left in the hand of his own counsel (cf. Sir 15:14), so that he might of his own accord seek his creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him" (GS 17 § 1).

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Freedom is the power to act or not to act, and so to perform deliberate acts of one's own. Freedom attains perfection in its acts when directed toward God, the sovereign Good.

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Freedom characterizes properly human acts. It makes the human being responsible for acts of which he is the voluntary agent. His deliberate acts properly belong to him.

So.....Your God doesn't know all?

Mine does

Stella Mangione wrote:

So.....Your God doesn't know all?
Mine does

WHo is your god?

I am jerkin it fer jesus

Idi O Syncrasy wrote:

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Well heck,....according to YOUR Reading, you misunderstood the writings.
All the writings show a course of action required of us by God.
Like any book, the Book of Life can have names entered and erased.
<quoted text>
God demands that we choose to follow, not be automatons.
That is why people are created with free will.
"Therefore, since it remains that some will enter into it, and those who formerly received the good news did not enter because of disobedience." Heb.4:6
(Here we clearly see that obedience to God is required.)
"So by their fruits you will know them.
"Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
Then I will declare to them solemnly,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'" Matt.7:20-23
(Here we see that actively living our faith and doing works of God's will is required, fruits of the spirit.)
"The treasure and wealth of the nations will be brought there,
but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any (one) who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life."
Revelation 21:26-27
(Here we clearly see that nothing unclean by God's standards nor anyone that lies or sins against the Spirit enters.)
All demonstrations of action and choices required on the part of the individual.

I agree with most of this right up to the point of good works....not a requirement my friend...just isn't so. Yes...faith acts and good works is part of that for a mature Christian...but it isn't a requirement for entry. What good works did the thief hanging on the cross next to Jesus do? He saw Heaven because he accepted Jesus. He wasn't baptised either...not a requirement...a sacrament. No one enters the kingdom except through Jesus.

Mark Gustin wrote:

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I agree with most of this right up to the point of good works....not a requirement my friend...just isn't so. Yes...faith acts and good works is part of that for a mature Christian...but it isn't a requirement for entry. What good works did the thief hanging on the cross next to Jesus do? He saw Heaven because he accepted Jesus. He wasn't baptised either...not a requirement...a sacrament. No one enters the kingdom except through Jesus.

Thank you Mark.
The thief on the cross.
He had faith, but then he demonstrated that faith through works.
He ASKED Jesus for salvation and DECLARED Jesus as savior. He performed ACTS, despite the limited time available, the thief did not solely depend on faith.

When was the last time you read the letter of James?

"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?

If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?

So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.

You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works."
James 2:14-22

Peace be with you.

Idi O Syncrasy wrote:

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Thank you Mark.
The thief on the cross.
He had faith, but then he demonstrated that faith through works.
He ASKED Jesus for salvation and DECLARED Jesus as savior. He performed ACTS, despite the limited time available, the thief did not solely depend on faith.
When was the last time you read the letter of James?
"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?
So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works."
James 2:14-22
Peace be with you.

I still don't agree. Works is not a condition for eternal life. The thief performed no "works"....he professed belief...and asked for forgiveness...this is hardly the kind of works James is talking about.

I have one question....if works is a condition for entry into the kingdom.....How do you ever know you did enough?

I'm really glad that eternal salvation doesn't depend on anything I "do"....if it did I would never know if I did enough. Jesus "did" it all. He fullfilled both the law and the gospel. If you believe in Him you will see Heaven.

Works are part of the Christian faith...and is what God wants us to do.

Blessings

Mark Gustin wrote:

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I still don't agree. Works is not a condition for eternal life. The thief performed no "works"....he professed belief...and asked for forgiveness...this is hardly the kind of works James is talking about.
I have one question....if works is a condition for entry into the kingdom.....How do you ever know you did enough?

We are blest with a wonderful Judge, Jesus Christ.
Blessings of the Holy Spirit to you.
And keep up the Good Work.

"When he looked up he saw some wealthy people putting their offerings into the treasury
and he noticed a poor widow putting in two small coins.
He said, "I tell you truly, this poor widow put in more than all the rest;
for those others have all made offerings from their surplus wealth, but she, from her poverty, has offered her whole livelihood."
Luke 21:1-4

"Behold, I am coming soon. I bring with me the recompense I will give to each according to his deeds."
Rev.21:12

"I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life. The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls."
Rev.20:12

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
Then the king will say to those on his right,'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
Then the righteous will answer him and say,'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
And the king will say to them in reply,'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'"
Matt.25:31-40

"Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden light."
Matt.11:28-30

"I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Yes," said the Spirit, "let them find rest from their labors, for their works accompany them."
Rev.14:13

Idi O Syncrasy wrote:

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We are blest with a wonderful Judge, Jesus Christ.
Blessings of the Holy Spirit to you.
And keep up the Good Work.
"When he looked up he saw some wealthy people putting their offerings into the treasury
and he noticed a poor widow putting in two small coins.
He said, "I tell you truly, this poor widow put in more than all the rest;
for those others have all made offerings from their surplus wealth, but she, from her poverty, has offered her whole livelihood."
Luke 21:1-4
"Behold, I am coming soon. I bring with me the recompense I will give to each according to his deeds."
Rev.21:12
"I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life. The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls."
Rev.20:12
"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
Then the king will say to those on his right,'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
Then the righteous will answer him and say,'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
And the king will say to them in reply,'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'"
Matt.25:31-40
"Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden light."
Matt.11:28-30
"I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Yes," said the Spirit, "let them find rest from their labors, for their works accompany them."
Rev.14:13

These are all great texts...and I agree works is faith in action...but how will I know I've done enough to get to heaven?

Larry Collins txtuf1 wrote:

You answered your own statement "Through God"
everyone has a shot through God They must accept Christ as their savior. So every thing is possible THROUGH GOD

Wow you religious whacks really just toss logic out the window!