*** Did WTC 7 Collapse due to fire ***

*** Did WTC 7 Collapse due to fire ***

Created by Timesten on Nov 19, 2010

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Say the Truth

Ann Arbor, MI

#2057 Feb 6, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
World Trade was burning from the ground to the ceiling fully involved. It was unbelievable.–FDNY Firefighter Steve Modica
BUT WHAT DOES THE FDNY KNOW, THEY WERE ONLY THERE THAT DAY !?!?!??!?
LMAO! Obviously he wasn't under the CIA Gag Order!

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#2058 Feb 6, 2013
The concern there again, it was later in the afternoon, 2, 2:30, like I said. The fear then was Seven. Seven was free burning. Search had been made of 7 already from what they said so they had us back up to that point where we were waiting for 7 to come down to operate from the north back down. – FDNY Captain Robert Sohmer
Say the Truth

Ann Arbor, MI

#2059 Feb 6, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
So we left 7 World Trade Center, back down to the street, where I ran into Chief Coloe from the 1st Division, Captain Varriale, Engine 24, and Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.– FDNY Lieutenant Rudolph Weindler
"Right, so let's blow it up! Who has the detonator? Larry the tenant? Get him over here, pronto!"

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#2060 Feb 6, 2013
Funny that the collapse of WTC7 wasn't a "MYSTERY" to the FDNY and NYPD !?!?!??!?!

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#2061 Feb 6, 2013
Here's and interesting morsel..
Published on Jun 12, 2012

The pilot episode for the FOX series "The Lone Gunmen" Which first aired on March 4, 2001. The plot envisioned the US Government hijacking a plane and crashing it into the World Trade Center.

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#2062 Feb 6, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
Funny that the collapse of WTC7 wasn't a "MYSTERY" to the FDNY and NYPD !?!?!??!?!
https://www.google.com/search...
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http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
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http://firefightersfor911truth.org/...
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http://www.youtube.com/user/ff911truth...
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Many won't speak out in fear of losing their lives or families and jobs. That's what gag order does to a person when they break those orders.
http://www.topix.com/forum/nyc/TKP2UIE8OP5DPN...
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Now you say....
"It's all b/s and I've already proved that."

Yeah okay Sure you did RAD.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#2064 Feb 7, 2013
Timesten wrote:
<quoted text> https://www.google.com/search...
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http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
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http://firefightersfor911truth.org/...
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http://www.youtube.com/user/ff911truth...
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Many won't speak out in fear of losing their lives or families and jobs. That's what gag order does to a person when they break those orders.
http://www.topix.com/forum/nyc/TKP2UIE8OP5DPN...
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Now you say....
"It's all b/s and I've already proved that."

Yeah okay Sure you did RAD.
Where's those lies NIST told vulgar-jinn Fontaine?

Oh right, you have no clue because you're scientifically illiterate and just spam other people's opinions because they agree with your hate filled ideology!
hunter

Norwich, UK

#2065 Feb 7, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
Funny that the collapse of WTC7 wasn't a "MYSTERY" to the FDNY and NYPD !?!?!??!?!
Only because they have been persuaded to say these statement's
You say these fire chief's have stated these event's
What about the fire crews,They say different!
They state that there were explosions,Why do you disregard what
they say.
There are numerous interviews with fire crews that say there were
bombs or explosions going off.
Once again i will say there are tv news reports in which you can
hear charges going off.

Since: Jan 11

Great Neck, NY

#2066 Feb 7, 2013
And all you have to do is prove that explosions an hour before the collapse were bombs ........good luck with that LMAO
hunter wrote:
<quoted text>
Only because they have been persuaded to say these statement's
You say these fire chief's have stated these event's
What about the fire crews,They say different!
They state that there were explosions,Why do you disregard what
they say.
There are numerous interviews with fire crews that say there were
bombs or explosions going off.
Once again i will say there are tv news reports in which you can
hear charges going off.
Guise Faux

San Anselmo, CA

#2067 Feb 7, 2013
hunter wrote:
<quoted text>
Only because they have been persuaded to say these statement's
You say these fire chief's have stated these event's
What about the fire crews,They say different!
They state that there were explosions,Why do you disregard what
they say.
There are numerous interviews with fire crews that say there were
bombs or explosions going off.
Once again i will say there are tv news reports in which you can
hear charges going off.
Those are dumpsters being emptied. The FDNY are all liars when they say they heard explosions going off.

Nobody believes them at all.

They won't talk now because they are too embarrassed at what they lied about when they were first interviewed. Not to mention the gag order from the top.

It's all sooo obvious.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#2068 Feb 8, 2013
Guise Faux wrote:
<quoted text>Those are dumpsters being emptied. The FDNY are all liars when they say they heard explosions going off.

Nobody believes them at all.

They won't talk now because they are too embarrassed at what they lied about when they were first interviewed. Not to mention the gag order from the top.

It's all sooo obvious.
Those were the speshul sound waves that travelled all the way to Jersey before making a sound which is why they're not apparent on any videos taken from around the WTC complex right oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots glop?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#2069 Feb 8, 2013
hunter wrote:
<quoted text>Only because they have been persuaded to say these statement's
You say these fire chief's have stated these event's
What about the fire crews,They say different!
They state that there were explosions,Why do you disregard what
they say.
There are numerous interviews with fire crews that say there were
bombs or explosions going off.
Once again i will say there are tv news reports in which you can
hear charges going off.
There were secondary explosions moron.

Things explode in fires, it's a well known fact outside of twooferdumb...which is why not one firefighter that there is a twoofcultist today!

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#2070 Feb 8, 2013
We know things explode in fires Dope, now why do you ignore the FDNY when they tell you they were worried WTC7 was going to collapse hours before it did !?!?!?!?!
Guise Faux wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are dumpsters being emptied. The FDNY are all liars when they say they heard explosions going off.
Nobody believes them at all.
They won't talk now because they are too embarrassed at what they lied about when they were first interviewed. Not to mention the gag order from the top.
It's all sooo obvious.
911 was an inside job

Elgin, TX

#2071 Feb 8, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
We know things explode in fires Dope, now why do you ignore the FDNY when they tell you they were worried WTC7 was going to collapse hours before it did !?!?!?!?!
<quoted text>
Can you tell us who specifically in the FDNY was saying that WTC-7 was going to come down?

Any serious investigation would focus on this source as a "person of interest," given that they were predicting an unprecedented failure, one that investigators admittedly were "having a difficult time getting a handle on."
911 was an inside job

San Anselmo, CA

#2073 Feb 9, 2013
They don't know who said that WTC-7 was coming down. Maybe Silverstein knows but he ain't telling anyone now.

WTC-7 was all pre-set with explosives ready for flight 93 to crash into it. When it didn't show they had to cover their asses. So they gave the order to "pull it".

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#2074 Feb 9, 2013
Flight 93 was going for the White House, a much more symbolic target then a 47 story skyscraper nobody knew about
911 was an inside job wrote:
They don't know who said that WTC-7 was coming down. Maybe Silverstein knows but he ain't telling anyone now.
WTC-7 was all pre-set with explosives ready for flight 93 to crash into it. When it didn't show they had to cover their asses. So they gave the order to "pull it".

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#2075 Feb 10, 2013
911 was an inside job wrote:
They don't know who said that WTC-7 was coming down. Maybe Silverstein knows but he ain't telling anyone now.
WTC-7 was all pre-set with explosives ready for flight 93 to crash into it. When it didn't show they had to cover their asses. So they gave the order to "pull it".
Agreed
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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And about the Pentagon and Planes
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Didsbury, Canada

#2076 Feb 10, 2013
"Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse."

http://mobile.firehouse.com/news/10544364/9-1...

So will twoof go find this hero and tell him he's lying or just continue to spew the same old garbage?

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#2077 Feb 10, 2013
tommy will only pay attention to the FDNY when they say "explosion", that's the only time they are telling the truth ..... of course tommy told us there was a gag order so how can they say "explosion" !?!?!?!?!?
Porkpie Hat wrote:
"Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse."
http://mobile.firehouse.com/news/10544364/9-1...
So will twoof go find this hero and tell him he's lying or just continue to spew the same old garbage?

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#2078 Feb 18, 2013
How The NIST Report Failed To Adequately Investigate 9/11
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Or The Fox Is Guarding The Henhouse Here Folks
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“Nothing has such power to broaden the mind as the ability to investigate systematically and truly all that comes under thy observation in life.” Marcus Aurelius Antoninus
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Any serious investigation into the reasons why the Twin Towers were completely destroyed would attempt to find out why the strong steel frames below the impact and fire areas lost their strength and gave way.
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But NIST deliberately decided not to do this. NIST excluded – quite systematically and based on the explicit argument that only the few columns with a known asbuilt location in the mpact and fire areas were of interest for the investigation – the columns from the parts that failed and gave way so unexpectedly, i.e., the columns with as-built locations below the impact and fire areas, from being adequately examined for their damage and failure modes.
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Scientists and engineers in relevant fields should know that those parts of the structure that gave way need to be included in the investigation of a building failure. There are many indications that NIST’s scientists and engineers have been actually well aware that the failure of the load bearing structures of the Twin Towers cannot be investigated by focusing exclusively on the collection of data concerning the impact and fire areas.
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For example, NIST developed a "structural database" that included the data for the structural members from bottom to top (and not just for the structural members in the impact and fire areas).
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They developed "global structural models" for both Towers that stretched over their full heights (based on the named structural database, blueprints and other documents). And they analyzed the performance of the undamaged structures (using its global structural models) for three loading cases, and checked the demand/capacity ratio for the structural components.
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NIST examined (as part of the same “Project 3: "Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel,” which systematically excluded steel from outside the impact and fire areas from being adequately examined) samples of all steel qualities used throughout the buildings to check if they complied with the demanded quality standards.
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NIST cannot justify the exclusion of the steel from being adequately examined for damage and failure modes by its published result of the investigation, i.e., the “how the point of collapse initiation was reached” models and the few lines with suggestions why “global collapse ensued.” The named models and suggestions were presented by NIST as results of the investigation, so they should not have influenced decisions at the beginning of the investigation.
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Examining the evidence and collecting data based on the evidence was a task that NIST needed to perform before any hypotheses were formulated.
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But NIST excluded identified core columns and perimeter columns that were built-in outside the impact and fire areas, and columns with an unknown as-built location, from being adequately examined for their damage and failure modes at the very beginning of the investigation.
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Thus, by a process of circular reasoning NIST avoided an adequate analysis of the physical evidence of the steel for data that might have answered the question why the strong steel frames below the impact and fire areas gave way as completely and quickly as they did; by proceeding on the basis of a preconceived premise, NIST compromised the validity of the investigation.
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http://www.ae911truth.org/documents/How_NIST_...
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