*** Did WTC 7 Collapse due to fire ***

Created by Timesten on Nov 19, 2010

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Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2243 Feb 28, 2013
Timesten wrote:
For the readers here, besides the shills that don't debate websites.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
Moobs, Are you crying, your website is 100% wrong!!!!

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Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#2244 Feb 28, 2013
9/11 Commission Report Questioned by
Senior Military, Intelligence, and Government Officials
Many respected senior members of the military, intelligence services, and government have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report. Some even allege government complicity in the terrible acts of 9/11. Below are the highly revealing public statements on this vital topic of over 50 prominent public servants with links for verification and further investigation.

The collective voices of these respected senior officials along with over 100 esteemed professors, over 250 pilots and aviation professionals, and over 1,500 architects and engineers give credibility to the claim that the 9/11 Commission Report is tragically flawed. These dedicated individuals from across the political spectrum are not irresponsible believers in some 9/11 conspiracy theory. Their sincere concern, backed by decades of service to their country, demonstrate that criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report is not only reasonable and responsible, it is in fact a patriotic duty.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion9...
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https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2245 Feb 28, 2013
Timesten wrote:
And you're a liar. I never stated any such thing.that psychic super solders do to fight the paranormal by turning invisible, telaporting, waking through walls and killing goats with their minds.
------lmfao----

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...

Timesten wrote:
You're an idiot sheen
What is less well-known, however, is that the U.S. military did try to create such a breed of 'supersoldier'. And that killing goats with psychic powers was just the tip of the iceberg.
Indeed, the fruits of Project Jedi, and several other clandestine paranormal projects, have been actively used in battle - and are almost certainly being employed in the war on terror and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden.
'You have to understand that these ideas were not considered wacky,' says Sergeant Glenn Wheaton, a Special Forces soldier seconded to Project Jedi.
'They were seen as the next military frontier. We needed to know whether it was possible to use paranormal forces for military ends. We also needed to know how to protect ourselves should they be used against us.'
One of the great proponents of psychic warfare was Major General Albert Stubblebine III - and back in 1983, he was at the height of his powers.
He was one of America's most distinguished soldiers and chief of U.S. Army Intelligence, with 16,000 soldiers under his command. He was instrumental in the invasions of Panama and Grenada. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that Albert Stubblebine III was at the heart of America's military machine.
A Major General has a little higher rank than you private Sheen...
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Stubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy and received a master's degree in chemical engineering from Columbia University. His active duty career spanned 32 years, and he is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his command of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984.
Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). Stubblebine was a key person in the U.S. military invasion of Grenada and was, according to a report published by the Daily Mail, "at the heart of America's military machine". He is a member of the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.
After Stubblebine retired from the Army in 1984 he worked for BDM Corporation. He also acted as a part-time consultant to two government contractors, ERIM and Space Applications Corporation.
Stubblebine appeared in the 2006 documentary "One Nation Under Siege
.
And you probably never heard of PSYOP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Op ...(United_States)
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How could you know about it you spend all your time in denials and never research matters.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2246 Feb 28, 2013
Timesten wrote:
9/11 Commission Report Questioned by
Senior Military, Intelligence, and Government Officials
Yea, Like ones that claim they can walk through walls, turn invisible and kill goats with their minds to fight the paranormal MOOBS, and you actually believe that, LMFAO!

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#2247 Feb 28, 2013
The official explanation that fires caused the collapse of Building 7 is incredible in light of the fact that fires have never caused a steel-framed building to totally collapse, before or after September 11th, 2001.

Steel-framed high-rises (buildings of fifteen stories or more) have been common for more than 100 years. There have been hundreds of incidents involving severe fires in such buildings, and none have led to complete collapse, or even partial collapse of support columns.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#2248 Feb 28, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#2249 Feb 28, 2013
Explosive Thermite charges would only have to take out a few core columns and perimeter areas to have a global collapse happen internally...
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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http://thewebfairy.com/911/binaries/WTC7%20hs...
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Now add a miniature hydrogen blast in the basement that will shoot up the core and elevator shaft. That would indeed blast the top of the building into pulverization and then the floors drop one by one and disintegrate also.
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http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Im...
That's the only way the core would collapse and keep up with the fall of the floors dissataching one by one in sync.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VzZ9I4u9st...
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The core was massive in strength. The top portions that fell into the building, actually disintegrated, so there was no pile driver effect crashing down with momentum.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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The corner was definitely cut. These pictures tell that precisely.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
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We may never know the real truth, but we do have plausible answers that satisfy my interests.
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And about the official reports.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2250 Feb 28, 2013
Timesten wrote:
The official explanation that fires caused the collapse of Building 7 is incredible in light of the fact that fires have never caused a steel-framed building to totally collapse, before or after September 11th, 2001.
HI LYING MOOBS!
8. Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?
The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires. The fires in WTC 7 were similar to those that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present. These other buildings, including Philadelphia's One Meridian Plaza, a 38-story skyscraper that burned for 18 hours in 1991, did not collapse due to differences in the design of the structural system (see the answer to Question 9).
Factors contributing to WTC 7's collapse included: the thermal expansion of building elements such as floor beams and girders, which occurred at temperatures hundreds of degrees below those typically considered in current practice for fire-resistance ratings; significant magnification of thermal expansion effects due to the long-span floors in the building; connections between structural elements that were designed to resist the vertical forces of gravity, not the thermally induced horizontal or lateral loads; and an overall structural system not designed to prevent fire-induced progressive collapse.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2251 Feb 28, 2013
9. What are the major differences between "typical" major high-rise building fires that have occurred in the United States and the fire in the WTC 7 building on Sept. 11, 2001?
There are more similarities than differences between the uncontrolled fires that burned in WTC 7 and those that occurred in the following buildings: First Interstate Bank Building (1988), One Meridian Plaza Building (1991), One New York Plaza (1970), and WTC 51 (2001).
NIST NCSTAR Report 1-9, Section 8.5, provides details about these building fires.
The following factors describe the fire events that occurred in both WTC 7 and the referenced buildings:
The fuel for the fires was ordinary office combustibles at ordinary combustible load levels.
There was no use of accelerants.
The spread of fire from combustible to combustible was governed by ordinary fire physics.
Fire-induced window breakage provided ventilation for continued fire spread and growth.
There were simultaneous fires on multiple floors.
The fires on each floor occupied a substantial portion of the floor.
The fires on each floor had passed the point of flashover and the structure was subjected to typical post-flashover temperatures.
The sprinklers were inoperative or ineffective; and 9) the fires burned for sufficient time to cause significant distortion and/or failure to the building structure.
There were some differences between the fires in WTC 7 and those in the referenced buildings, but these differences were secondary to the fire factors that led to the collapse of WTC 7:
Fires in high-rise buildings typically have a single point of origin on a single floor, whereas the fires in WTC 7 likely had a single point of origin on multiple (10) floors.
Fires in other high-rise buildings were due to isolated events, whereas the fires in WTC 7 followed the collapse of WTC 1.
Water was available to fight fires in the other high rise buildings, but the water supply to fight fires in WTC 7 was impaired.
While the fires in the other buildings were actively fought by firefighters to the extent possible, in WTC 7, no efforts were made to fight the fires because of the lack of a water supply.
The differences in the fires were not meaningful for the following reasons. By the time WTC 7 collapsed, the fires in WTC 7 had advanced well beyond the likely points of origin on multiple floors (i.e., south and west faces), and points of fire origin had no bearing on the fire conditions when the building collapsed (i.e., in the northeast quadrant). Additionally, in each of the other referenced buildings, the fires burned out several floors, even with available water and firefighting activities (except for WTC 5). Thus, whether the fire fighters fought the WTC 7 fires or not is not a meaningful point of dissimilarity from the other cited fires.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2252 Feb 28, 2013
Moobs, Why did you lie and claim you never said the below?
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
------lmfao----
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...
Timesten wrote:
You're an idiot sheen
What is less well-known, however, is that the U.S. military did try to create such a breed of 'supersoldier'. And that killing goats with psychic powers was just the tip of the iceberg.
Indeed, the fruits of Project Jedi, and several other clandestine paranormal projects, have been actively used in battle - and are almost certainly being employed in the war on terror and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden.
'You have to understand that these ideas were not considered wacky,' says Sergeant Glenn Wheaton, a Special Forces soldier seconded to Project Jedi.
'They were seen as the next military frontier. We needed to know whether it was possible to use paranormal forces for military ends. We also needed to know how to protect ourselves should they be used against us.'
One of the great proponents of psychic warfare was Major General Albert Stubblebine III - and back in 1983, he was at the height of his powers.
He was one of America's most distinguished soldiers and chief of U.S. Army Intelligence, with 16,000 soldiers under his command. He was instrumental in the invasions of Panama and Grenada. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that Albert Stubblebine III was at the heart of America's military machine.
A Major General has a little higher rank than you private Sheen...
.
Stubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy and received a master's degree in chemical engineering from Columbia University. His active duty career spanned 32 years, and he is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his command of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984.
Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). Stubblebine was a key person in the U.S. military invasion of Grenada and was, according to a report published by the Daily Mail, "at the heart of America's military machine". He is a member of the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.
After Stubblebine retired from the Army in 1984 he worked for BDM Corporation. He also acted as a part-time consultant to two government contractors, ERIM and Space Applications Corporation.
Stubblebine appeared in the 2006 documentary "One Nation Under Siege
.
And you probably never heard of PSYOP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Op ...(United_States)
.
How could you know about it you spend all your time in denials and never research matters.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2253 Feb 28, 2013
So they hit it with thermite, a plane, fires, explosives and a nuke.

MOOBS, You are so insane, go collect your mental disability check!
Timesten wrote:
Explosive Thermite charges would only have to take out a few core columns and perimeter areas to have a global collapse happen internally...
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/binaries/WTC7%20hs...
.
Now add a miniature hydrogen blast in the basement that will shoot up the core and elevator shaft. That would indeed blast the top of the building into pulverization and then the floors drop one by one and disintegrate also.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2254 Feb 28, 2013
But Moobs, why did you lie and say you never said the below, Unemployed Truck Drivers want to know!
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
------lmfao----
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...
Timesten wrote:
You're an idiot sheen
What is less well-known, however, is that the U.S. military did try to create such a breed of 'supersoldier'. And that killing goats with psychic powers was just the tip of the iceberg.
Indeed, the fruits of Project Jedi, and several other clandestine paranormal projects, have been actively used in battle - and are almost certainly being employed in the war on terror and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden.
'You have to understand that these ideas were not considered wacky,' says Sergeant Glenn Wheaton, a Special Forces soldier seconded to Project Jedi.
'They were seen as the next military frontier. We needed to know whether it was possible to use paranormal forces for military ends. We also needed to know how to protect ourselves should they be used against us.'
One of the great proponents of psychic warfare was Major General Albert Stubblebine III - and back in 1983, he was at the height of his powers.
He was one of America's most distinguished soldiers and chief of U.S. Army Intelligence, with 16,000 soldiers under his command. He was instrumental in the invasions of Panama and Grenada. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that Albert Stubblebine III was at the heart of America's military machine.
A Major General has a little higher rank than you private Sheen...
.
Stubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy and received a master's degree in chemical engineering from Columbia University. His active duty career spanned 32 years, and he is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his command of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984.
Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). Stubblebine was a key person in the U.S. military invasion of Grenada and was, according to a report published by the Daily Mail, "at the heart of America's military machine". He is a member of the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.
After Stubblebine retired from the Army in 1984 he worked for BDM Corporation. He also acted as a part-time consultant to two government contractors, ERIM and Space Applications Corporation.
Stubblebine appeared in the 2006 documentary "One Nation Under Siege
.
And you probably never heard of PSYOP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Op ...(United_States)
.
How could you know about it you spend all your time in denials and never research matters.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2255 Feb 28, 2013
Timesten wrote:
There have been hundreds of incidents involving severe fires in such buildings, and none have led to complete collapse, or even partial collapse of support columns.
WRONG! The picture is on your website MOOBS THE LOON!

The steel columns above the 17th floor suffered complete collapse, partially coming to rest on the upper technical floor.More significantly, the design of the Madrid Windsor Tower was entirely different to that of the WTC.

The building totaled 32 storyís, with 29 floors above ground and three below. A concrete core and concrete frame supported the first 16 floors. Above that was a central support system of concrete columns, supporting concrete floors with steel perimeter columns. An additional feature was the presence of two 'technical floors'- concrete floors designed to give the building more strength. One was just above the ground level and the other at the 17th floor.
http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp...

No reliance on steel frames here, the core was mostly concrete. And what happened to the steel that it did include?
The steel columns above the 17th floor suffered complete collapse, partially coming to rest on the upper technical floor.
http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp...

Yes, it failed. Other photos reveal how the concrete was all that was left on the upper floors.

The same story suggests itís only the key design differences from the WTC that kept the Madrid Windsor Tower standing.

An investigation is underway between Spanish technical agency Intemac and UK authorities including Arup Fire, the University of Edinburgh and the concrete industry including Cembureau, BCA and The Concrete Centre. Preliminary findings suggest that a combination of the upper technical floor and the excellent passive fire resistance of the tower's concrete columns and core prevented total building collapse

The fire is significant in terms of its potential similarities between the collapse of the building's steel frame above the 17th floor and the experience seen at the World Trade Center. Notably, one of the recommendations of NIST's interim report on the World Trade Center disaster is for tall building design to incorporate 'strong points' within the frame.
http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2256 Feb 28, 2013
Timesten wrote:
There have been hundreds of incidents involving severe fires in such buildings, and none have led to complete collapse, or even partial collapse of support columns.
LMFAO Moobs, From your site, It's just about ready to fall.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/154020/2_21_021...

The page from your brain dead site it's on.

https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2257 Feb 28, 2013
*** Did WTC 7 Collapse due to fire ***
Yes 3,007 63%
No 1,706 36%

SAYS IT ALL!
SAYS IT ALL!
SAYS IT ALL!

“the summer home in Cape Cod”

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#2258 Feb 28, 2013
how about the Windsor Tower in Spain Dopey
Timesten wrote:
The official explanation that fires caused the collapse of Building 7 is incredible in light of the fact that fires have never caused a steel-framed building to totally collapse, before or after September 11th, 2001.
Steel-framed high-rises (buildings of fifteen stories or more) have been common for more than 100 years. There have been hundreds of incidents involving severe fires in such buildings, and none have led to complete collapse, or even partial collapse of support columns.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2259 Feb 28, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
how about the Windsor Tower in Spain Dopey
<quoted text>
Look at my post about 4 up, Tommy has a picture of it on his own site (see the two links) and it's about to come down, warped steel and all.

The moron debunks himself.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#2260 Feb 28, 2013
And another one from the same page on Tommy's webpage.

http://www.septembercoup.com/images/madrid02....

(Same page in the second link about 4 above.

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#2261 Feb 28, 2013
(FEDERALJACK) Firefighters battle a high-rise building blaze in Turkey, which acted completely in accordance with the real laws of physics while at the same time seeming to defy U.S. government approved physics by not collapsing into a pile. I guess that can only happen on certain days like 9/11/01.
A raging fire engulfed the 42-storey Polat Towers building in central Istanbul, Turkey. The blaze caused debris to fall from the upper floors of the tower block, though there have been no reports of casualties so far.
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Nur Demirci, an eyewitness at the scene, told Reuters what she saw:
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"Smoke engulfed the whole building in a few seconds and we couldn't go home as debris was falling. We couldn't see anything else other than smoke and the fire that has spread with the wind."
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The tower block, which contains flats as well as offices, was immediately evacuated, along with a petrol station and the buildings nearby. Hundreds of people were led out by fire crews that arrived at the scene.
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Oskam Evirm, one of the fire-fighters who battled the blaze, spoke of how they managed to put out the inferno.
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"The fire started on the ground floor but spread to the top storey. But as fire-fighters came in effectively, the fire was extinguished quickly. It has been cooled down and an 80-year-old woman was rescued."
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Fire-fighters eventually managed to extinguish the fire, with one side of the building scorched black after the flames had crept up the tower. Huseyin Avni, the Governor of Istanbul, stated that the fire had been caused by faulty air conditioning units at the base of the tower. Turkish state television has said that strong winds fanned the flames, causing the fire to burn through the building's external insulation.
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At 152 metres, the Polat Towers are one of the tallest buildings in Europe, housing over 400 luxury apartments.
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Adnan Polat, the tower block's owner, said that there had been no casualties.
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"All of them left the building in a healthy condition. We also rescued a few pets. Our biggest reward is there was no loss of life. This building has an early warning system and this incident showed the importance of it to everyone."
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The major of the city, Kadir Topbas, believed it was lucky the raging fire had claimed no victims, saying "We could have experienced a catastrophe as at least 1,500 people reside in the building."
Firefighters who had spent hours battling the flames.
http://www.youtube.com/watch... #!
Towering inferno of Istanbul: Forty-two story skyscraper is engulfed by blaze
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21748...
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Albany firefighters train water on the Central Warehouse building in Albany, NY on Sunday October 24, 2010. The building caught fire on Friday. Fire continued to smolder inside the former Central Warehouse cold storage building Sunday, but Albany Fire Chief Robert Forezzi Sr. said the vacant eyesore is in no danger of collapsing.
Firefighters were shooting 1,000 gallons of water per minute into the building's 10th floor Sunday evening in an attempt to extinguish cork insulation that was still smoking more than 48 hours after the fire in the Albany landmark was first reported.
Despite more than two days of fire damage and constant water being pumped into the structure, Forezzi said the 83-year-old building's massive concrete and steel frame will hold. The only evidence Sunday that the 400,000-square-foot former refrigeration facility had been ablaze was water running down the outside walls.
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Colla...
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And the steel frames of those buildings were no where near the magnitude and thickness of the 3 WTC towers.
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Along with these also.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#2262 Feb 28, 2013
I thought you didn't debate web sites, Sheen.

And those buildings didn't collapse, they stood. Sure you will get buckled beams in the hottest areas, but the proof is....the buildings didn't come down in near free fall speed into their own footprints, meaning straight down. The fires in the WTC were no where near the intensity of the fires in those pics.
End of story.

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