*** Did WTC 7 Collapse due to fire ***

*** Did WTC 7 Collapse due to fire ***

Created by Timesten on Nov 19, 2010

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“Google Operation Northwoods”

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#1 Nov 19, 2010
On WTC 7.....The collapse....
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&...
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more....
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&expIds=17259...
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The NIST Report
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&expIds=17259...
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NIST claims fire brought down the building.
Then why didn't these buildings, with greater fires collapse also?
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Shanghai High-Rise Fire Kills 42
by THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
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And guess what....... it didn't collapse.
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Now this I would call a raging inferno.
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NIST should go there and explain to them why it didn't collapse like THE WTC 7 Tower.
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I'd like to see that report. I'm sure they could cook up a story that the public would believe.
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/S...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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http://english.cri.cn/6909/2010/11/15/2321s60...
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/15/art...
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Fire did not cause the collapse of all 4 corners to give way, all at the same time.
Fires did not consume the whole building of WTC 7.
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Also ask NIST why these buildings didn't collapase.
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Pics...
http://www.google.com/images...
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Web...
http://www.google.com/search...
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videos...
http://www.google.com/search...
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Discussions..
http://www.google.com/search...
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You decide....

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#2 Nov 19, 2010
cal66iber wrote:
http://www.chinahush.com/2010/ 11/15/shanghai-high-rise-fire/
it is still standing !
Amazing how a few small fires brought down WTC 7.
but other, fully engulfed buildings, did not fall due to fire...
Someone is lying on the Official report.

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#3 Nov 19, 2010
A song for WTC Building 7....
&fe ature=related

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#5 Nov 19, 2010
implosion, an inside job

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#7 Nov 19, 2010
Bushpig wrote:
... WTC 7 collapsed due to gravity, moron ...
your brain has just collapsed !! you f**king IDIOT !!

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“ reality, what a concept”

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#10 Nov 20, 2010
And yet nine years on the so-called "truth movement" has yet to provide any. If this really were some sort of conspiracy, why hasn't even one person remotely connected to it, or even someone who knew anyone even remotely connected to such a conspiracy come forward to offer anything that might even be confused with proof of it? You can show all the YouTube videos you want, but unless you can offer up someone saying that that fire didn't bring down the building because either they or someone they knew was involved in the actual cause, you ain't got nothing.

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#11 Nov 20, 2010
Rick in Kansas wrote:
And yet nine years on the so-called "truth movement" has yet to provide any. If this really were some sort of conspiracy, why hasn't even one person remotely connected to it, or even someone who knew anyone even remotely connected to such a conspiracy come forward to offer anything that might even be confused with proof of it? You can show all the YouTube videos you want, but unless you can offer up someone saying that that fire didn't bring down the building because either they or someone they knew was involved in the actual cause, you ain't got nothing.
As if it is a simple matter to accuse a Government Official about any wrong doings. The only time they get brought down is when they can't cover matters up. And because of the complexity of this matter, it takes time to clear all their smoke screens out to see matters clearly. That is being done slowly...
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On the matter of WTC 7, no where in history has fire ever collapsed a steel framed concrete building, as is shown in the first post.
If a partial collapse had happened to WTC 7, it might be conceivable, but to have it drop straight down, on all 4 corners, due to a small amount of fires within a small area of the building, is a little much to grasp as a reality. And there are Officials and prominent people that think along these lines also....

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#12 Nov 20, 2010
Afew other points are....
NIST didn't test the rubble for explosives, and the evidence was quickly hauled away and sold. They kept a few pieces for structural analysis, and those pieces are what NIST based their report on. And they did cover up eye witness reports and other facts that were brought forward in the panels review. That in itself shows signs of a conspiracy.

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#13 Nov 20, 2010
Eight years after 9/11, a growing organization of building trades professionals suspect that there was more to the event thanthe government will admit.
http://www.metroactive.com/metro/09.09.09/cov...
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Other Skyscraper Fires
Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/comp...
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Why didn't this one collapse? There are many others of the same intensity, that also didn't collapse.
http://www.firealarmdirect.com/Hi_Rise_Fire.g...

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#14 Nov 20, 2010
Some other Notable building fires..... that did not collapse...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper_fire#...
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Blaze consumes Caracas skyscraper.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3751790.s...
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#15 Nov 20, 2010
And then this comes into view...

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TN8PDND...
andet1987

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#16 Nov 20, 2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_...

9/11 was the New Pearl Harbor

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#17 Nov 20, 2010
Timesten wrote:
As if it is a simple matter to accuse a Government Official about any wrong doings. The only time they get brought down is when they can't cover matters up. And because of the complexity of this matter, it takes time to clear all their smoke screens out to see matters clearly. That is being done slowly...
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Again, not one of the hundreds if not thousands of people who would have had to been involved in such a complex conspiracy as the so-called "truth movement" has asserted has stepped forward to say "I did w, y or z in furtherance of it", not one. The previous administration was completely incapable of keeping ANY of their (in all likelihood) criminal acts under US and certainly under international law) anywhere close to secret, so why are we to simply assume that they were able to do so here? Someone always squeals, even if they are complete nutters, they know something. But not here. You want the "truth", find it. There will always be question and uncertainty as to what happened, but doubts have to be at least considered reasonable to be taken seriously.
Timesten wrote:
On the matter of WTC 7, no where in history has fire ever collapsed a steel framed concrete building, as is shown in the first post.
If a partial collapse had happened to WTC 7, it might be conceivable, but to have it drop straight down, on all 4 corners, due to a small amount of fires within a small area of the building, is a little much to grasp as a reality. And there are Officials and prominent people that think along these lines also....
Nowhere in history has ANY steel framed concrete building had those fires caused by the explosion of a jet passenger aircraft hitting the building basically across the street from it within roughly 500 feet of its roof and by having its facade blasted in on some 10 floors by the debris from a six story building directly across from it and that of the 110 story building which collapsed behind that. Its collapse to me isn't the least bit surprising. Comparing what occurred to WTC 7 to any other fire, is, well, kind of, sort of, silly.

I'm familiar with the neighborhood. I had a skybox seat for the 1993 attack, I worked on the 17th floor of 388 Greenwich (CNN's footage of the collapse of WTC 7 was shot from its roof), roughly 6 blocks north of the parking garage at the Trade Center. I used to spend every Tuesday morning in an office, in the North Tower, where the last thing they saw that day was the sight of that jet crashing into the floors below them (it also looked down upon the roof of WTC 7). You're the one having doubts as to why it collapsed in the manner it did, but to me, thus far your doubts, aren't exactly reasonable. Don't just say that we need another investigation, that's a cop out, offer proof that something/anything happened to that building other than what was explained in the official report and you might have me, but now, definitely, not so much.

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#18 Nov 21, 2010
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Again, not one of the hundreds if not thousands of people who would have had to been involved in such a complex conspiracy as the so-called "truth movement" has asserted has stepped forward to say "I did w, y or z in furtherance of it", not one. The previous administration was completely incapable of keeping ANY of their (in all likelihood) criminal acts under US and certainly under international law) anywhere close to secret, so why are we to simply assume that they were able to do so here? Someone always squeals, even if they are complete nutters, they know something. But not here. You want the "truth", find it. There will always be question and uncertainty as to what happened, but doubts have to be at least considered reasonable to be taken seriously.
<quoted text>Nowhere in history has ANY steel framed concrete building had those fires caused by the explosion of a jet passenger aircraft hitting the building basically across the street from it within roughly 500 feet of its roof and by having its facade blasted in on some 10 floors by the debris from a six story building directly across from it and that of the 110 story building which collapsed behind that. Its collapse to me isn't the least bit surprising. Comparing what occurred to WTC 7 to any other fire, is, well, kind of, sort of, silly.
I'm familiar with the neighborhood. I had a skybox seat for the 1993 attack, I worked on the 17th floor of 388 Greenwich (CNN's footage of the collapse of WTC 7 was shot from its roof), roughly 6 blocks north of the parking garage at the Trade Center. I used to spend every Tuesday morning in an office, in the North Tower, where the last thing they saw that day was the sight of that jet crashing into the floors below them (it also looked down upon the roof of WTC 7). You're the one having doubts as to why it collapsed in the manner it did, but to me, thus far your doubts, aren't exactly reasonable. Don't just say that we need another investigation, that's a cop out, offer proof that something/anything happened to that building other than what was explained in the official report and you might have me, but now, definitely, not so much.
Y/w...
Again, not one of the hundreds if not thousands of people who would have had to been involved in such a complex conspiracy as the so-called "truth movement" has asserted has stepped forward to say "I did w, y or z in furtherance of it", not one."
I/w
First off who said there were 100's or 1000's involved? I surely didn't.
If you were involved in a cover up would you come forward and give up your life?
You would jeopardize your Life, Family, Job and Future...
So I highly doubt any politicals would come forward and admit any wrong doing.
But still there are some who have brought to the table, factions and evidence, that point to a cover-up and conspiracy.

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“ reality, what a concept”

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#19 Nov 21, 2010
Okay, say for a moment that I am willing to completely suspend disbelief and say that the fires and structural damage done to WTC 7, by whatever you want to believe was going on across Vessey Street (I don't even want to know the fantasies you harbor about that) was not the ultimate cause of its eventual collapse. Why would I not automatically assume that hundreds if not thousands of people would be in on the something/anything secret which did cause it to collapse and/or be collapsed? I'll admit I am a rank amateur, but from what I do know about the subject of the demolition of large buildings, is that it's labor intensive and not the kind of activity done without notice by others. If there were even just ONE person, acting alone, who did something/anything to cause it (the complete suspension of disbelief here), why wouldn't you imagine that there would be, by this point, hundreds if not thousands of people who know of it, if not know first hand?

Sorry, but you have no who, what, when, where, how or why to your assumed conspiracy, just a few shaky videos which can be interpreted differently by reasonable people. You haven't lost the plot here, you never had one...

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#20 Nov 21, 2010
Y/w...
"I don't even want to know the fantasies you harbor"

bak2u
I don't even want to know the fantasies you harbor either.

“Google Operation Northwoods”

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#21 Nov 21, 2010
Building 7 was the third skyscraper to be reduced to rubble on September 11, 2001. According to the government, fires, primarily, leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper.

The team that investigated the collapse were kept away from the crime scene. By the time they published their inconclusive report in May, 2002, the evidence had been destroyed.
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http://www.wtc7.net/

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#22 Nov 21, 2010
Timesten wrote:
Building 7 was the third skyscraper to be reduced to rubble on September 11, 2001. According to the government, fires, primarily, leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper.
Does this statement tell us that it is impossible for a steel skyscraper to be destroyed primarily by fire, or merely that in other instances it hasn't happened? If ever a given set of circumstances surrounding "primarily fire" were going to bring down a steel skyscraper, these were it. Multiple massive fires on multiple floors of the building, fuel to keep them going, no sprinklers, understandably limited firefighter response, obvious structural damage caused by falling debris and the unknown structural damage beyond that, the fact that it collapsed isn't surprising to most people. If you're going to say somebody pushed it, you're going to have to offer more proof and less speculation...

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#23 Nov 21, 2010
Timesten wrote:
First off who said there were 100's or 1000's involved? I surely didn't.
Who said? you did
Timesten wrote:
Building 7 was the third skyscraper to be reduced to rubble on September 11, 2001. According to the government, fires, primarily, leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper.
The team that investigated the collapse were kept away from the crime scene. By the time they published their inconclusive report in May, 2002, the evidence had been destroyed.
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http://www.wtc7.net/
Here it would take hundreds to pull this off.
The link is from an conspiracy site that in 3 paragraphs offer us a statement backed up with no profs,but only holes in the conspiracy theories.
What it(conspiracy sites) do prove is that it would take a cast of thousands to cover this inside job up...and no leaks to this day.

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