Christian Lies Exposed

[Writing in Paradise]

Xcntrik InVidor wrote:

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It was meant as one. Regardless of who is right or wrong, it's good to see your interest.
I would recommend researching YHVH/YHVH Elohim a bit further, that's where it all started for me.

I'm always amused by the places the bible and my experiences on the other side coincide and how they can still be so different. Somewhere in the history of that book, someone had obviously been over there, but the actual concepts/beings/definitions got so twisted. Sometimes they stay close to what I find over there, sometimes it's so wildly different it's hysterical.

The Elohim are one of those close intersections.

[Hmmm]

Xcntrik InVidor wrote:

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We're in complete agreement here. Honesty is not a christian attribute.
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I would agree. Honesty would dictate that you understand and relay that your beliefs are simply mythology, not universal truths. Either you're being dishonest to others or you're being dishonest with yourself, either way, you're being dishonest. You can say you 'believe' this to be true, but you can not say that you 'know' this to be true.
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Because it's not valid unless one believes the myth. Please try to understand this.
Let me try to relay it to you this way. According to the Koran, you are an infidel. Does this apply to you or does this simply apply to those who believe the Koran to be true?
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There's no need to apologize my friend. We're simply having conversation. I don't remember making the claim that you were pushing anything off on anyone, except to state that you are claiming that your beliefs are more than they actually are. They're simply your beliefs, as long as you relay them accordingly, I'm your biggest fan.
It's your Flying Spaghetti Monster given right.

Good post! That is why I try to use "I think" much of the time. It is only my opinions I give vs. something factual. I believe I know what Jesus did for me. I just wanted to share it with others a little. I do understand it isn't for all.

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Hmmm wrote:

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May I ask a question? IF the Christian does not abide by the attributes of Christ, does not have the fruits of the spirit evident in his/her life, and does not walk in the Spirit, WHAT does that make us?

What do you call yourselves?

Hmmm wrote:

Wouldn't we be considered a sinner or an unbeliever?

If one 'believes' they can't be called an unbeliever, right? Since we are talking about a belief, it's simple to get from point A to point B. If one 'believes' that they are a christian, they are a christian. However you want to interpret the ultimate outcome is your business. What we are talking about are 'beliefs'.

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I mean either a person is or he isn't. The deeds of the flesh are what separates us from God in my opinion.

You're welcome to your opinion. In reality, you don't know what separates anyone from God, or if there actually is a God at all.

Hmmm wrote:

So it would only be common sense to assume that if you aren't of God and possessing the true attributes then you aren't of God. You won't inherit the Kingdom of God. Just asking.

That's YOUR mythology, you can interpret it any way you like. My intent for providing the remainder of Paul's thoughts in Gal. 5 was to show that he was relaying HIS thoughts, the entire thought, not just the part that christians like to quote. That was what he believed. What will actually happen remains to be seen.

Paul's platonic dualism of spirit/flesh only represents Paul's platonic dualism of spirit/flesh. It doesn't represent any great truth.

Christians do believe that it represents more though, and as I showed from that passage, according to Paul, most of you guys are never going to inherit the Kingdom of God because you haven't learned the lesson.

While christianity claims to be about love, christianity is typically about selfishness.

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Hmmm wrote:

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First off, why must it always be based on fear? I don't see God as someone to fear. It goes against what God teaches to live in fear, plus it is bad for the health!
For your question. You asked for it. Okay, I believe that according to scripture, we are all judged by the lives we lived while on earth. If I sow to the flesh, I will of the flesh reap corruption.
Rev. 21:8 sums it up pretty well. I believe that the things you mentioned fall into abominations against God and the teachings of his Word. I notice fearful is also listed so that lets me to know we are not to fear but believe.
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
So in finality, if I did what you said, I would be judged guilty as charged and my part would be in the lake of fire. I have no one to blame but me if that happens.

Thank you for your answer and helping me to illustrate my point.

"if I did what you said, I would be judged guilty as charged and my part would be in the lake of fire."

You are a christian to avoid eternal damnation.

That is a belief based on fear.

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Xcntrik InVidor wrote:

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No, I said you were wrong.
YHVH is a mythological deity invented by those would become the Hebrews.
He's no different from any other deities invented by any other cultures.
The only difference is that you choose to believe.
There are gods much older than yours.
Why don't you worship Marduk?

Because I believe in the God of the Bible and that isn't his name or Title. I know that you already know that though. The Bible is very clear on the one God thing.

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Writing in Paradise wrote:

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I'm always amused by the places the bible and my experiences on the other side coincide and how they can still be so different. Somewhere in the history of that book, someone had obviously been over there, but the actual concepts/beings/definitions got so twisted. Sometimes they stay close to what I find over there, sometimes it's so wildly different it's hysterical.
The Elohim are one of those close intersections.

Well I don't understand your experiences, but they are yours. It appears that the earliest Hebrew beliefs were polytheistic, which would make sense as those were the beliefs of everyone else at the time.

I always thought Psalms 82 drew a pretty clear picture of those beliefs and how in the Hebrews beliefs, the Elohim had failed in their mission to watch over humanity.

It's a short chapter:

God standeth in the congregation of God; He judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, And respect the persons of the wicked? Selah

Judge the poor and fatherless: Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. Rescue the poor and needy: Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked. They know not, neither do they understand; They walk to and fro in darkness: All the foundations of the earth are shaken.

I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High. Nevertheless ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes.

Arise, O God, judge the earth; For thou shalt inherit all the nations.

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Hmmm wrote:

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Good post! That is why I try to use "I think" much of the time. It is only my opinions I give vs. something factual. I believe I know what Jesus did for me. I just wanted to share it with others a little. I do understand it isn't for all.

:)

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Hmmm wrote:

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Because I believe in the God of the Bible and that isn't his name or Title. I know that you already know that though. The Bible is very clear on the one God thing.

The bible is just a theologically and politically driven book.

"The Bible is very clear on the one God thing."

Is it now?

[TNA Rules]

Xcntrik InVidor wrote:

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Balsa wood in the bamboo patch.

No Way!!!

[Baovn]

Hmmm wrote:

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Thank you! If anyone is encouraged by my responses or postings, I am glad. Have a blessed day!

I thank you too. Keep posting your belief and testimony, I know your testimony will encourage some people- it encourages me very much.
God be with you.

[Saranacotter]

Baovn wrote:

<quoted text>I thank you too. Keep posting your belief and testimony, I know your testimony will encourage some people- it encourages me very much.
God be with you.

start your own thread for christian crap.

[Baovn]

Hmmm wrote:

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Being honest is not just a Christian attribute. I would think we all need to be. It helps with credibility for one thing. I do not think I have lied in what I feel and have posted. My opinions are not lies.
*I wonder why non-believers love to use the Bible to point out what they see as faults in believers or God? But if a believer uses scripture to point out a fault or something that they feel is important, then it isn't valid.
* It is not my intention to put fear into anyone. I do think the Bible is written for us all. There are many scriptures for the unbeliever in the Bible as well as to the believer. If you are comfortable with your choice that is fine. No where will you find I am making anyone believe me.**I answer questions posed to me as best I can and since I am a believer, it will contain scriptural meanings. I should think that is expected.** I am sorry if you took it that I am pushing anything off on anyone here.

I love to read your posts. God uses you to share the Gosple of Grace,Truth,Love. Have a blessed day!

[beijair]

Messenger of Truth wrote:

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This shows your true intelligence, a gay could? Clouds cannot be gay but people can. He/she which ever you are, I do not care, I only care that you are so lost and confused and twist God's word and teach your false lies and half scripture truths to innocent children. You are really a very ignorant and dangerous person, and I am angry with you, but it is a righteous indignation, for all your lies to children and others about God and His word.
“I have not written unto you because you know not the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he
that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is anti-Christ that denies the Father and the Son. Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also....And this is the record that God has
given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that has the Son has life; and he that has not the Son of God has not life.” 1John 5:11-12.
Our first parents failed us and as a result, all
humanity is suffering this same distrust, separation and selfishness,that Satan deceived our first parents into, selfish is his (Satan’s)
own characteristics.
“Whosoever commits sin is of the devil; for
the devil sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother .. For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.”
1st John 3:8,10,11.

i do not need to prove clouds can be gay, i claim they can be and therefore, my claim, like your claim there is a god. it just my opinion. no proof needed. we can use the method that christian use to make claims and we do not need to have proof. if i follow the christian way, i can sell bottled water and tell people it will cure some cancers. i don't need to have proof. but i don't expect you to understand my gay cloud comment.

Please continue to provide us with your opinion on what your myth can, can not do and what he wants us to do and not to do. the great thing is, you can just claim anything and design your myth as you want. isn't that cool. don't forget to put your nap mat away and drink you milk.

[Saranacotter]

Hmmm wrote:

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May I ask a question? IF the Christian does not abide by the attributes of Christ, does not have the fruits of the spirit evident in his/her life, and does not walk in the Spirit, WHAT does that make us? Wouldn't we be considered a sinner or an unbeliever? I mean either a person is or he isn't. The deeds of the flesh are what separates us from God in my opinion. So it would only be common sense to assume that if you aren't of God and possessing the true attributes then you aren't of God. You won't inherit the Kingdom of God. Just asking.

I am going to agree with you - I believe it says the gate is narrow but the path is straight. which means there is a double compnoent to christian heaven. One must pass trhough the gate(jesus) but one must also travel the straight path(the teachings of Jesus). If you think that saying Jesus is your Savior(the gate) is theonly requirement, you are mistaken. That is my biggest problem with the born again zealots, they manufactured an easy way into heaven out of nothing. If you live a life of sin you have not gotten the credit for being on the straight path. The scriptures say that those who try it Jesus will tell "I know you not".

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Xcntrik InVidor wrote:

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What do you call yourselves?
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If one 'believes' they can't be called an unbeliever, right? Since we are talking about a belief, it's simple to get from point A to point B. If one 'believes' that they are a christian, they are a christian. However you want to interpret the ultimate outcome is your business. What we are talking about are 'beliefs'.
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You're welcome to your opinion. In reality, you don't know what separates anyone from God, or if there actually is a God at all.
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That's YOUR mythology, you can interpret it any way you like. My intent for providing the remainder of Paul's thoughts in Gal. 5 was to show that he was relaying HIS thoughts, the entire thought, not just the part that christians like to quote. That was what he believed. What will actually happen remains to be seen.
Paul's platonic dualism of spirit/flesh only represents Paul's platonic dualism of spirit/flesh. It doesn't represent any great truth.
Christians do believe that it represents more though, and as I showed from that passage, according to Paul, most of you guys are never going to inherit the Kingdom of God because you haven't learned the lesson.
While christianity claims to be about love, christianity is typically about selfishness.

I understand what you are saying. The scripture about many called but few chosen comes to mind. I was thinking along the terms that if we aren't doing as we should then we aren't gonna hear what we hope to in judgement.
As for selfishness, I think when we witness, we are hoping to share with others what we feel is a good thing. We want the other person to have it too. I don't want to be selfish. But I think I understand what you mean as well. It shouldn't be all about me or what I want at anytime.
For me, love is one of the greatest attributes a Christian or anyone for that matter can possess. Love conquers all and is unconditional. If I may, these are some of my favorite scriptures. I am sure they aren't anything that hasn't been read by you or another. They speak volumes to me and get right to the core of it all.

I Cor. 13: "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Charity suffereth long,[and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity."

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Saranacotter wrote:

<quoted text>I am going to agree with you - I believe it says the gate is narrow but the path is straight. which means there is a double compnoent to christian heaven. One must pass trhough the gate(jesus) but one must also travel the straight path(the teachings of Jesus). If you think that saying Jesus is your Savior(the gate) is theonly requirement, you are mistaken. That is my biggest problem with the born again zealots, they manufactured an easy way into heaven out of nothing. If you live a life of sin you have not gotten the credit for being on the straight path. The scriptures say that those who try it Jesus will tell "I know you not".

I absolutely agree!

[beijair]

Hmmm wrote:

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Because I believe in the God of the Bible and that isn't his name or Title. I know that you already know that though. The Bible is very clear on the one God thing.

The bible is very clear on many things, but Christians don't care unless it fits what they want to believe. This is exactly what Jesus didn't like about the Church.

Kids, I want you all to notice how many Christians, the claim to love jesus and follow jesus are always able to blog on this thread and likely others. Kids, did you notice there are kids dying in this world for lack of food? yeah, but christian are blogging. day after day. Imagine if they actually did something to help. just add up all the time they spend on line, the electricity they use, the computer they use, the internet service they pay for and so on.....wow...that could save a few lives. that small amount of money could save a life. that time could be used to minister to others, spread love and help others make it through a rough time.

Are they doing that when they blog? NO, but they will make an excuse for why they are not. We all know what should be done, we all know what Jesus would do. Jesus wouldn't be blogging.

We even have a religious person here that states God willed him to blog...yeah. Not to go out into the world and actually help and spend money on others to help them through life....no...god wants him to blog.

just where are these people that walk in christ? they are here and not helping others. so kids, we can see hypocrisy all around us.

many of them have homes, they could open their homes to homeless people or needy. Jesus would....they will not (the overwhelming majority will not).

the time they are spending to blog, they could be making food for the hungry and then driving their littler cars to feed them. are they, NO.

we can make a giant list of things that would be christ like...are they doing it? NO.

Kids, look at how many christian are on this thread, some calling names, some copy to deceive others, blogging while children are dying and even some that make threats to harm others. This is the Christian example of walking in christ.

It appears this god doesn't reveal much to them except for their worldly, selfish nature.

Did you notice that many just say, I will pray for you or others. They "pray" WOW, what a sacrfice....they can stay in the home and just pray and feel all proud of themselves as if they did something. haha

[Hmmm]

Baovn wrote:

<quoted text>I love to read your posts. God uses you to share the Gosple of Grace,Truth,Love. Have a blessed day!

That is sweet and I thank you. It is my desire to be used of God. My intentions are not to be a braggart or know-it-all in any way. What I say is what I feel. It comes from my heart. Grace, Truth, and Love. Powerful, beautiful words! Have a blessed day yourself!

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PLEASE, FOR GOD'S SAKE READ THIS!

MY NAME IS BIEJAIR, AND THIS IS MY STORY.....

This was the first claim I made about myself in POST # 3:
"In case some wonder, I am an Atheist and do not believe in any of the Gods. So before you say i hate God, realize that i cannot
hate God if i do not believe in God. "

This is what I said in POST # 5:

"I believe God intended the following scripture for all these religious people that think they have the truth but show they contradict
God's word and even deny it completely at time...if it doesn't fit their desires.
God clearly isn't talking about atheist, because we do not worship some god, but christians do."

Who do I say is talking? God! But, I just said I was an atheist! Right up there I say, "I believe God .........."

Seems just a little wack, no? Go back and read the posts yourself!

POST # 9
"God stated it, so if you do not like it...then tell it to him. Not me. "

POST # 17
"Now, jesus himself stated he could do NOTHING of himself. Therefore, if the Christians think they can, then they believe they have more power than Jesus Christ himself. Putting themselves above God....i think you know that scripture."

Now, I start quoting JESUS! What gives? Why is a SELF PROCLAIMED atheist like me SAYING, "I BELIEVE GOD INTENDED........", "GOD STATED IT..........", "Now, jesus himself stated.........."

It's because I'm COMPLETELY OFF MY NUT! READ THE POSTS YOURSELF!!!!! ALL this is on the first PAGE!!!!!

Well , then I go ALL ATHEIST AGAIN, UNTIL..........
POST # 36549
"I wouldn't claim there is NO God. I would claim your God is a lie and that there is a possibility that there is A God."
YEAH, I SAID THAT! SPOKEN LIKE A CONFUSED ATHEIST! NOW, I ADMIT the POSSIBILITY of GOD!!!! WOW!!!

Then in POST # 36641, the frustration begins to show. The LIES and CONTRADICTIONS in my RANTS start to show. This is where my true colors come shining through. I start REVERTING back to the CHILD I really am. I knew I couldn't keep up the
CHARADE for long.

IN POST # 36646, jesus is the reason that children are molested, then...3 POSTS later, he starts molesting children personally.
Well, you get the IDEA, pretty soon EVERYBODY is MOLESTING.

Then in POST # 37197, REPEAT POST # 37197, I COMPLETELY LOSE IT!!!!!!!!!!
"What? You don't like being exposed? You can tell us that in the name of God you are NOT a Christian. In the name of Jesus Christ are you denouncing him as lord and savior?" That's right, I start INVOKING the NAME of GOD in an attempt to compell him to expose himself as a CHRISTIAN. THEN, I invoke the NAME of JESUS........
I'M CALLING ON GOD AND JESUS TO COMPELL THIS MAN TO CONFESS CHRISTIANITY......

I DON"T SOUND LIKE AN ATHEIST TO ME OR ANYONE ELSE AT THIS POINT. Please GO back and check these POSTS for YOURSELVES.

The very next POST reads:" You are the most blinded, ignorant, and totally confused atheist that I ever had the misfortune of seeing your confused mind. I am praying for you."

I COULDN'T have said it BETTER.

Well, it's all, and I mean ALL, there in black and white. I got no excuse. I'm just a done TOM turkey.

AFTER CHECKING this out for YOURSELVES, I'll be suprised if anyone will EVER TAKE ME SERIOUSLY AGAIN.

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Some one is posting this on different forums!