Chipley pastor among those assigned to Southern Baptist task force

[Give me a break]

discocrisco wrote:

Because America is becoming a secular, progressive nation. And people are rejecting your conservative beliefs

The Bible speaks of this "secular, progressive nation" who rejects the conservative beliefs that you speak of. It refers to it as a falling away that precedes the final coming of the judge, Jesus Christ.

It's too bad that the world does not heed this warning. Then again Christ didn't really expect those of the world to receive his message. In fact he warned his disciples that they would be hated and persecuted because of him, especially if they followed him. We see this today evidenced by your post. Prophecy personified.

2 Thess 2:1-4 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. NKJV

[Abe Ibdeec]

Give me a break wrote:

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The Bible speaks of this "secular, progressive nation" who rejects the conservative beliefs that you speak of.

1 Corinthians 2:
10. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Abe Ibdeec wrote:

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'Perception' is a device that is highly used by spiritual entities to cause men and women to see things that are not real.

You are apparently deluded.

Spiritual entities exist only in your imagination, silly.

Do they tell you things too?

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Abe Ibdeec wrote:

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Have I stated anywhere that I am professing any particular 'sect'. I think not. I am professing the written Word of God known in this day and age as the Holy Bible.

Ok, we'll do it the fun way.

Do you believe in original sin?

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Abe Ibdeec wrote:

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No! You are mistaken again. Just because a man or woman say they are Christian, does not make them a Christian.

Incorrect, you have been deluded once again by your religion.

Christianity is a belief.

If one believes the christian myth, one is a christian.

If one does not believe the myth, one is not a christian.

Your fantasies don't change that, silly.

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Realistic Speaking wrote:

Christians are followers of Christ. Catholics have have had representatives of Christ (Popes) since Christ died, there have been good popes and bad ones, but at least Catholicism has not changed over the centuries, it has remained the same since it was founded by the 12 disciples of Christ. It was founded then and it is still ongoing. Out of all denominations, this is the most accurate, think I will follow it till the end.

Hate to tell you this, but, catholicism doesn't go back to the 12 disciples, silly.

Your religion has duped you.

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Give me a break wrote:

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I belong to no sect, nor denomination. I am a believer who follows no man; I follow no man made creed. I study the Bible for the truth. Everyone has the ability to understand for themselves, if they will study.

Alright, then this should be fun. You don't even realize how dishonest you have been in that one little paragraph. You're lost in a myth.

Do you believe that Jesus is God, a part of the Trinity?

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Give me a break wrote:

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The Bible speaks of this "secular, progressive nation" who rejects the conservative beliefs that you speak of. It refers to it as a falling away that precedes the final coming of the judge, Jesus Christ.

Which was the beginning of the second century CE.

When that never happened, MEN had to rewrite your religion, it's been done a number of times. We just need to narrow down which sect you belong to.

I told you this would be fun.

[Xcntrik InVidor]

Abe Ibdeec wrote:

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1 Corinthians 2:
10. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Yea, that Paul was some heretic, weren't he?

So we now know that you're not a Jewish christian, at least not one like the original followers of Jesus would have been.

Do you believe in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[Give me a break]

Abe Ibdeec wrote:

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1 Corinthians 2:14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The sad thing about this verse is that every "natural" man has the God given ability to become a "spiritual" person if they choose to be. It's our choice, but most choose not to be, and are critical of those who do.

[Give me a break]

Xcntrik InVidor wrote:

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Alright, then this should be fun. You don't even realize how dishonest you have been in that one little paragraph. You're lost in a myth.
Do you believe that Jesus is God, a part of the Trinity?

Yes, I do. Why should that matter to you?

If you believe this is all a myth, then why discuss it. You obviously will not change my position because we cannot agree on what reality is. It's also certain that anything I would tell you about the subject, has no validity, as to you it is just a myth, foolishness to you as the bible would say.

1 Cor 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

[Abe Ibdeec]

You are right Gmab, it is all about personal choice, and that personal choice is usually in tune with the predominating spiritual influence that is creating 'perceptions' or 'mental images'... imagination...

Abe...

[six hundred and sixty six]

Decline of SB memberships. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Not only the SB's are declining but other denominations as well, including catholicism.

What these 18 preachers are gonna find is that people are sick and tired of being told that they are worthless and need some sort of savior. It worked well back when many people were ignorant but times are changing.

The days of mass control by religion is coming to an end. People are becoming independent and are using their brains and are starting to think for themselves.

We are in a process of entering a new age. Maybe that's what the scenario of '2012' is all about.

Christianity and other religions are as good as GONE!

[Abe Ibdeec]

Well, for all of you who would choose to adhere to the teachings of the secular law world (which includes agencies of the United States), here a document prepared for your use by an agency of the United States. It is the United States Census Bureau statistics on the various religions found within the georgraphical boundaries of this nation. The first two primary listings are "protestant" and "catholic". Most people would recognize those terms to mean "Christian". The aggregate percentage of the population, as represented by these statistics, refutes your claim that the Christian Nation is in a decline. See for yourself.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables...

Abe...

six hundred and sixty six wrote:

Decline of SB memberships. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Not only the SB's are declining but other denominations as well, including catholicism.
What these 18 preachers are gonna find is that people are sick and tired of being told that they are worthless and need some sort of savior. It worked well back when many people were ignorant but times are changing.
The days of mass control by religion is coming to an end. People are becoming independent and are using their brains and are starting to think for themselves.
We are in a process of entering a new age. Maybe that's what the scenario of '2012' is all about.
Christianity and other religions are as good as GONE!

[six hundred and sixty six]

Abe Ibdeec wrote:

Well, for all of you who would choose to adhere to the teachings of the secular law world (which includes agencies of the United States), here a document prepared for your use by an agency of the United States. It is the United States Census Bureau statistics on the various religions found within the georgraphical boundaries of this nation. The first two primary listings are "protestant" and "catholic". Most people would recognize those terms to mean "Christian". The aggregate percentage of the population, as represented by these statistics, refutes your claim that the Christian Nation is in a decline. See for yourself.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables...
Abe...
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UH-HUH!

Well, it might help to read the FULL story before posting.

The first paragraph states:
'A Chipley pastor was among 18 Southern Baptists assigned Wednesday to a task force designed to look into reasons behind the denomination's DECLINE in numbers, and suggest ideas to reverse the trend'.

Looks like you just got served, Abe.

[six hundred and sixty six]

Abe Ibdeec wrote:

Well, for all of you who would choose to adhere to the teachings of the secular law world (which includes agencies of the United States), here a document prepared for your use by an agency of the United States. It is the United States Census Bureau statistics on the various religions found within the georgraphical boundaries of this nation. The first two primary listings are "protestant" and "catholic". Most people would recognize those terms to mean "Christian". The aggregate percentage of the population, as represented by these statistics, refutes your claim that the Christian Nation is in a decline. See for yourself.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables...
Abe...
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Also, Abe, here is a report by CNN on the decline of christianity done just a few months ago:

http://www.com.cn n/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/03/09/ us.religion.less.christian/

[six hundred and sixty six]

Abe Ibdeec wrote:

Well, for all of you who would choose to adhere to the teachings of the secular law world (which includes agencies of the United States), here a document prepared for your use by an agency of the United States. It is the United States Census Bureau statistics on the various religions found within the georgraphical boundaries of this nation. The first two primary listings are "protestant" and "catholic". Most people would recognize those terms to mean "Christian". The aggregate percentage of the population, as represented by these statistics, refutes your claim that the Christian Nation is in a decline. See for yourself.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables...
Abe...
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Reposting website:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/03/0...

[Abe Ibdeec]

Oh! I did read the article in its entirety. Now let me bring something to your remembrance. The Baptist Church is a "CORPORATION". The ultimate goal of any "CORPORATION" is to make "money" and continue to grow. Did you ever stop to consider that it MIGHT be possible that the church (as a corporation) is requiring the initiation of such a program as a means of hopefully increasing the membership and thereby increasing the 'cash flow'? Consider also, in this current time, there is a huge economic upheaval where jobs are not plentiful and subsequently 'tithes' by the current members are not being met?

I recognize that you have an already established opinion of the church, and subsequently will settle for any languaage that would attempt to place an aire of shame on the church. So be it. You have that right to express your opinion. Though you have that right and freedom to express your opinion, you have not any substantial evidence to support your claim. The statistics I provided are Official government reports, the reports show that the information was gathered by interested sources as well as from individual men and women who answered surveys. The Report is a product of that government that you perceive to be the ultimate. 78% of the population expressing their afilliation with the Christian faith, does not show a near 'end' to Christianity.

Abe...

six hundred and sixty six wrote:

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UH-HUH!
Well, it might help to read the FULL story before posting.
The first paragraph states:
'A Chipley pastor was among 18 Southern Baptists assigned Wednesday to a task force designed to look into reasons behind the denomination's DECLINE in numbers, and suggest ideas to reverse the trend'.
Looks like you just got served, Abe.

[Abe Ibdeec]

six hundred and sixty six wrote:

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Reposting website:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/03/0...

Quoting from the article from CNN; "The survey also found that "born-again" or "evangelical" Christianity is on the rise, while the percentage who belong to "mainline" congregations such as the Episcopal or Lutheran churches has fallen." What this statement tells me is that the members of Corporate Churches are starting to see them for what they are (Corporations much like k-mart or Publix), and are realizing a need to return to "evangelical" or "born-again" status, spirit filled men and women. Which means that they do not need Corporate Churches to maintain their Christian status. Thank you for that confirmation.

Abe...

[Cvvl]

Give me a break wrote:

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Yes, I do. Why should that matter to you?
If you believe this is all a myth, then why discuss it. You obviously will not change my position because we cannot agree on what reality is. It's also certain that anything I would tell you about the subject, has no validity, as to you it is just a myth, foolishness to you as the bible would say.
1 Cor 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

Kudos.

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Render to Caesar your understanding and compliance.