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“was like that when I got here”

Since: Aug 08

never comfortable enough

#104 Sep 30, 2008
Here are only some of the people and things that contributed to Adolf Hitlers concept of Nazism.
Karl Haushofer
Madame Blavatsky
Theosophy
The Thule Society
Dietrich Eckart
Vril
Shambhala
George Ivanovich Gurdjieff
Black Dragon Society
Friedrich Nietzsche
Adolf Lanz von Liebenfels
Guido von List
Charles Darwin
Richard Wagner
Any religion that did not place itself subservient to the state was outlawed.
No where is Christianity mentioned as an influence other than biased web pages that have an agenda. Did Hitler invoke God? Yes! He also invoked many other Gods and religions when it served his means. He even had a meeting with the "Society of Friends" although I doubt he became a Quaker!
Like it or not, believe it or not, religion in general is part of the ethos just like when an atheist says "god, I hope not" does not mean they have become religious.
Frank

Tucson, AZ

#105 Jan 26, 2009
After reading most of this discussion, here are some things that I think need to be said, in case anybody else reads it. This doesn't actually have anything to do with who to attribute mass murders to. Instead, these are my thoughts after reading 101 posts of this discussion.
Someone calling the Christian God an "invisible man in the sky", or something similar, is ridiculous. No Christians (or very very few) actually believe that God floats around in the clouds, unable to be seen by us humans. Most believe that He exists outside of time, or in a higher plane or dimension of reality. C.S. Lewis dealt with the topic in his books "Mere Christianity" and "Miracles". I would recommend both to anyone, Christian or otherwise, who has the slightest interest in the divine. Frankly, an atheist calling the Christian God an invisible sky-man shows his lack of understanding of the beliefs he is criticizing, and such a person should give the books mentioned a read.
Also, comparing the Christian God to Zeus, etc., is just as bad. Most ancient European religions had very similar deities (the Greek Zeus, the Latin Juppiter - Jove Pater, "zeus father, horse Gods, etc.). As you know there are thousands. Most of these religions (like the languages of their adherents) can most likely be traced back to a common root from which all diverged. The thing is, the whole Indo-European pantheon is completely different from Judaism. I gladly admit that there are similarities in most religions. The Greek dieing and rising gods of vegetation, "Corn Kings", for example, are similar to Christ. After all, Christ at the last supper chose the thing that should represent His body to be bread -- made from wheat or corn. But isn't that to be expected if there really is a God? Wouldn't the fact that most religions have things in common point more towards the existence of some sort of higher being? A man who has a photograph of a flower and one who has studied the flower thoroughly will both provide a similar sketch of the flower, if asked, but the one who has studied it will be able to produce a detailed and beautiful painting. Christians think they have the flower and other religions have only a photograph.
Furthermore, the home of Zeus was said to be Mt. Olympus. Anyone can go up to Mt. Olympus today and see that he's not there. On the other hand, Christians believe that their God was incarnated and actually lived on the Earth, and historians agree. There is no getting around the fact that Jesus actually existed, so it's no use comparing him to Zeus or any other god.
Finally, I urge anybody not to make a decision about the divine based on evolution. In many people's views, God and evolution are not opposed. Look up Ken Miller on youtube for a Catholic biologist's stance on evolution. If you decide not to believe in God because you accept evolution (or any scientific theory), in my opinion you have made a very serious mistake and are cheating yourself. Rethink your decision, read C.S. Lewis, Dawkins, Ken Miller, the Bible, The Koran, St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, and anything you can about the subject, think some more, talk to pastors, talk to scientists, to your friends, find out everything you can before you reject the existence of God.

Since: Mar 09

Saint Paul, MN

#106 Apr 8, 2009
Crusades, anyone?

The various inquisitions?(The Spanish Inquisition under Torquemada was one of many.)

The burning of 10-20 million people for witchcraft?

The 30 Years' War which killed about 1/3 of everybody in Bavaria?

The Taipeng Rebellion in China, lead by some weirdo who claimed to be Jesus' brother, and killed about 50 million Han Chinese?

WWI and WWII, mostly fought by people claiming to be Christian?

The reigns of Mussolini, Franco, and Salazar, which existed with the Catholic Church's blessing?
Mark

Fort Worth, TX

#107 Jul 6, 2009
So wrong. That's like saying the American government commited the genocide of millions of native Americans in the name of christianity.
Truth Hurts

Spring Hill, FL

#108 Feb 4, 2012
atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
religion IS THE culprit behind all the religious violence if you havent noticed.
until you SHOW us some atheists killing people in the Name of Atheism you are NOT making any sense.
"in the name of atheism" is a matter of word games. of course atheist don't kill in the name of atheism, that would be stupid. they kill because they're atheist. the best way to put it "if God is not, everything is permitted", which is far more dangerous then killing in the name of God. and when you speak of "religion", all you're doing is trying to mix the crimes of Islam unto Christianity. you can point to the crusades, which happened thousands of years ago and was only formed after being attacked 9 times, or you can point to a few nuts out of the 3 billion Christians that are alive today, it will just shows ignorant you are. the scary thing about this whole thing is that communism used the same type of propaganda before it killed millions of use.
Mark

Fort Worth, TX

#109 Jul 30, 2014
No one was murdered by any of the named despots in the name of Atheism. And you forgot to mention the genocide carried out by the Catholic church against the American Indian, some 11 million, the Aztec, the African Americans and pretty much every nation and civilization that the Church ever came into contact with.
Zac wrote:
In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion represents, as “End of Faith” author Sam Harris puts it,“the most potent source of human conflict, past and present.”
Columnist Robert Kuttner gives the familiar litany.“The Crusades slaughtered millions in the name of Jesus. The Inquisition brought the torture and murder of millions more. After Martin Luther, Christians did bloody battle with other Christians for another three centuries.”
In his bestseller “The God Delusion,” Richard Dawkins contends that most of the world’s recent conflicts - in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in Northern Ireland, in Kashmir, and in Sri Lanka - show the vitality of religion’s murderous impulse.
The problem with this critique is that it exaggerates the crimes attributed to religion, while ignoring the greater crimes of secular fanaticism. The best example of religious persecution in America is the Salem witch trials. How many people were killed in those trials? Thousands? Hundreds? Actually, fewer than 25. Yet the event still haunts the liberal imagination.
It is strange to witness the passion with which some secular figures rail against the misdeeds of the Crusaders and Inquisitors more than 500 years ago. The number sentenced to death by the Spanish Inquisition appears to be about 10,000. Some historians contend that an additional 100,000 died in jail due to malnutrition or illness.
These figures are tragic, and of course population levels were much lower at the time. But even so, they are minuscule compared with the death tolls produced by the atheist despotisms of the 20th century. In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.
Moreover, many of the conflicts that are counted as “religious wars” were not fought over religion. They were mainly fought over rival claims to territory and power. Can the wars between England and France be called religious wars because the English were Protestants and the French were Catholics? Hardly.
The same is true today. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not, at its core, a religious one. It arises out of a dispute over self-determination and land. Hamas and the extreme orthodox parties in Israel may advance theological claims -“God gave us this land” and so forth - but the conflict would remain essentially the same even without these religious motives. Ethnic rivalry, not religion, is the source of the tension in Northern Ireland and the Balkans.
http://atheisticviolence.wordpress.com/2007/1...
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#110 Jul 30, 2014
Zac wrote:
In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion represents, as “End of Faith” author Sam Harris puts it,“the most potent source of human conflict, past and present.”
Columnist Robert Kuttner gives the familiar litany.“The Crusades slaughtered millions in the name of Jesus. The Inquisition brought the torture and murder of millions more. After Martin Luther, Christians did bloody battle with other Christians for another three centuries.”
In his bestseller “The God Delusion,” Richard Dawkins contends that most of the world’s recent conflicts - in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in Northern Ireland, in Kashmir, and in Sri Lanka - show the vitality of religion’s murderous impulse.
The problem with this critique is that it exaggerates the crimes attributed to religion, while ignoring the greater crimes of secular fanaticism. The best example of religious persecution in America is the Salem witch trials. How many people were killed in those trials? Thousands? Hundreds? Actually, fewer than 25. Yet the event still haunts the liberal imagination.
It is strange to witness the passion with which some secular figures rail against the misdeeds of the Crusaders and Inquisitors more than 500 years ago. The number sentenced to death by the Spanish Inquisition appears to be about 10,000. Some historians contend that an additional 100,000 died in jail due to malnutrition or illness.
These figures are tragic, and of course population levels were much lower at the time. But even so, they are minuscule compared with the death tolls produced by the atheist despotisms of the 20th century. In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.
Moreover, many of the conflicts that are counted as “religious wars” were not fought over religion. They were mainly fought over rival claims to territory and power. Can the wars between England and France be called religious wars because the English were Protestants and the French were Catholics? Hardly.
The same is true today. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not, at its core, a religious one. It arises out of a dispute over self-determination and land. Hamas and the extreme orthodox parties in Israel may advance theological claims -“God gave us this land” and so forth - but the conflict would remain essentially the same even without these religious motives. Ethnic rivalry, not religion, is the source of the tension in Northern Ireland and the Balkans.
http://atheisticviolence.wordpress.com/2007/1...
Sorry to say Hitler is a Christian -Catholic! Mao --Buddhist Stalin a Russian Orthordox Christian!

Note Not Athiest nor religious !
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#111 Jul 30, 2014
Norm D Plume wrote:
Crusades, anyone?
The various inquisitions?(The Spanish Inquisition under Torquemada was one of many.)
The burning of 10-20 million people for witchcraft?
The 30 Years' War which killed about 1/3 of everybody in Bavaria?
The Taipeng Rebellion in China, lead by some weirdo who claimed to be Jesus' brother, and killed about 50 million Han Chinese?
WWI and WWII, mostly fought by people claiming to be Christian?
The reigns of Mussolini, Franco, and Salazar, which existed with the Catholic Church's blessing?
Most of you should know aabout ugly US history , the worst one the "American Holocaust "- US a Christian nation centuries of wars/genocidal wars mass murdered over 90 million Native American Of N.America!

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