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#104 Sep 30, 2008
Here are only some of the people and things that contributed to Adolf Hitlers concept of Nazism.
The Thule Society
George Ivanovich Gurdjieff
Black Dragon Society
Adolf Lanz von Liebenfels
Guido von List
Any religion that did not place itself subservient to the state was outlawed.
No where is Christianity mentioned as an influence other than biased web pages that have an agenda. Did Hitler invoke God? Yes! He also invoked many other Gods and religions when it served his means. He even had a meeting with the "Society of Friends" although I doubt he became a Quaker!
Like it or not, believe it or not, religion in general is part of the ethos just like when an atheist says "god, I hope not" does not mean they have become religious.
#105 Jan 26, 2009
After reading most of this discussion, here are some things that I think need to be said, in case anybody else reads it. This doesn't actually have anything to do with who to attribute mass murders to. Instead, these are my thoughts after reading 101 posts of this discussion.
Someone calling the Christian God an "invisible man in the sky", or something similar, is ridiculous. No Christians (or very very few) actually believe that God floats around in the clouds, unable to be seen by us humans. Most believe that He exists outside of time, or in a higher plane or dimension of reality. C.S. Lewis dealt with the topic in his books "Mere Christianity" and "Miracles". I would recommend both to anyone, Christian or otherwise, who has the slightest interest in the divine. Frankly, an atheist calling the Christian God an invisible sky-man shows his lack of understanding of the beliefs he is criticizing, and such a person should give the books mentioned a read.
Also, comparing the Christian God to Zeus, etc., is just as bad. Most ancient European religions had very similar deities (the Greek Zeus, the Latin Juppiter - Jove Pater, "zeus father, horse Gods, etc.). As you know there are thousands. Most of these religions (like the languages of their adherents) can most likely be traced back to a common root from which all diverged. The thing is, the whole Indo-European pantheon is completely different from Judaism. I gladly admit that there are similarities in most religions. The Greek dieing and rising gods of vegetation, "Corn Kings", for example, are similar to Christ. After all, Christ at the last supper chose the thing that should represent His body to be bread -- made from wheat or corn. But isn't that to be expected if there really is a God? Wouldn't the fact that most religions have things in common point more towards the existence of some sort of higher being? A man who has a photograph of a flower and one who has studied the flower thoroughly will both provide a similar sketch of the flower, if asked, but the one who has studied it will be able to produce a detailed and beautiful painting. Christians think they have the flower and other religions have only a photograph.
Furthermore, the home of Zeus was said to be Mt. Olympus. Anyone can go up to Mt. Olympus today and see that he's not there. On the other hand, Christians believe that their God was incarnated and actually lived on the Earth, and historians agree. There is no getting around the fact that Jesus actually existed, so it's no use comparing him to Zeus or any other god.
Finally, I urge anybody not to make a decision about the divine based on evolution. In many people's views, God and evolution are not opposed. Look up Ken Miller on youtube for a Catholic biologist's stance on evolution. If you decide not to believe in God because you accept evolution (or any scientific theory), in my opinion you have made a very serious mistake and are cheating yourself. Rethink your decision, read C.S. Lewis, Dawkins, Ken Miller, the Bible, The Koran, St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, and anything you can about the subject, think some more, talk to pastors, talk to scientists, to your friends, find out everything you can before you reject the existence of God.
Since: Mar 09
Saint Paul, MN
#106 Apr 8, 2009
The various inquisitions?(The Spanish Inquisition under Torquemada was one of many.)
The burning of 10-20 million people for witchcraft?
The 30 Years' War which killed about 1/3 of everybody in Bavaria?
The Taipeng Rebellion in China, lead by some weirdo who claimed to be Jesus' brother, and killed about 50 million Han Chinese?
WWI and WWII, mostly fought by people claiming to be Christian?
The reigns of Mussolini, Franco, and Salazar, which existed with the Catholic Church's blessing?
#107 Jul 6, 2009
So wrong. That's like saying the American government commited the genocide of millions of native Americans in the name of christianity.
#108 Feb 4, 2012
"in the name of atheism" is a matter of word games. of course atheist don't kill in the name of atheism, that would be stupid. they kill because they're atheist. the best way to put it "if God is not, everything is permitted", which is far more dangerous then killing in the name of God. and when you speak of "religion", all you're doing is trying to mix the crimes of Islam unto Christianity. you can point to the crusades, which happened thousands of years ago and was only formed after being attacked 9 times, or you can point to a few nuts out of the 3 billion Christians that are alive today, it will just shows ignorant you are. the scary thing about this whole thing is that communism used the same type of propaganda before it killed millions of use.
#109 Jul 30, 2014
No one was murdered by any of the named despots in the name of Atheism. And you forgot to mention the genocide carried out by the Catholic church against the American Indian, some 11 million, the Aztec, the African Americans and pretty much every nation and civilization that the Church ever came into contact with.
#110 Jul 30, 2014
Sorry to say Hitler is a Christian -Catholic! Mao --Buddhist Stalin a Russian Orthordox Christian!
Note Not Athiest nor religious !
#111 Jul 30, 2014
Most of you should know aabout ugly US history , the worst one the "American Holocaust "- US a Christian nation centuries of wars/genocidal wars mass murdered over 90 million Native American Of N.America!
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