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Atheism, not religion is the force behind the mass murders of history

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Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#1 Sep 10, 2008
In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion represents, as “End of Faith” author Sam Harris puts it,“the most potent source of human conflict, past and present.”

Columnist Robert Kuttner gives the familiar litany.“The Crusades slaughtered millions in the name of Jesus. The Inquisition brought the torture and murder of millions more. After Martin Luther, Christians did bloody battle with other Christians for another three centuries.”



In his bestseller “The God Delusion,” Richard Dawkins contends that most of the world’s recent conflicts - in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in Northern Ireland, in Kashmir, and in Sri Lanka - show the vitality of religion’s murderous impulse.

The problem with this critique is that it exaggerates the crimes attributed to religion, while ignoring the greater crimes of secular fanaticism. The best example of religious persecution in America is the Salem witch trials. How many people were killed in those trials? Thousands? Hundreds? Actually, fewer than 25. Yet the event still haunts the liberal imagination.

It is strange to witness the passion with which some secular figures rail against the misdeeds of the Crusaders and Inquisitors more than 500 years ago. The number sentenced to death by the Spanish Inquisition appears to be about 10,000. Some historians contend that an additional 100,000 died in jail due to malnutrition or illness.

These figures are tragic, and of course population levels were much lower at the time. But even so, they are minuscule compared with the death tolls produced by the atheist despotisms of the 20th century. In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.

Moreover, many of the conflicts that are counted as “religious wars” were not fought over religion. They were mainly fought over rival claims to territory and power. Can the wars between England and France be called religious wars because the English were Protestants and the French were Catholics? Hardly.

The same is true today. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not, at its core, a religious one. It arises out of a dispute over self-determination and land. Hamas and the extreme orthodox parties in Israel may advance theological claims -“God gave us this land” and so forth - but the conflict would remain essentially the same even without these religious motives. Ethnic rivalry, not religion, is the source of the tension in Northern Ireland and the Balkans.

http://atheisticviolence.wordpress.com/2007/1...
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#2 Sep 10, 2008
Blindly blaming religion for conflict

Yet today’s atheists insist on making religion the culprit. Consider Mr. Harris’s analysis of the conflict in Sri Lanka.“While the motivations of the Tamil Tigers are not explicitly religious,” he informs us,“they are Hindus who undoubtedly believe many improbable things about the nature of life and death.” In other words, while the Tigers see themselves as combatants in a secular political struggle, Harris detects a religious motive because these people happen to be Hindu and surely there must be some underlying religious craziness that explains their fanaticism.

Harris can go on forever in this vein. Seeking to exonerate secularism and atheism from the horrors perpetrated in their name, he argues that Stalinism and Maoism were in reality “little more than a political religion.” As for Nazism,“while the hatred of Jews in Germany expressed itself in a predominantly secular way, it was a direct inheritance from medieval Christianity.” Indeed,“The holocaust marked the culmination of … two thousand years of Christian fulminating against the Jews.”

One finds the same inanities in Mr. Dawkins’s work. Don’t be fooled by this rhetorical legerdemain. Dawkins and Harris cannot explain why, if Nazism was directly descended from medieval Christianity, medieval Christianity did not produce a Hitler. How can a self-proclaimed atheist ideology, advanced by Hitler as a repudiation of Christianity, be a “culmination” of 2,000 years of Christianity? Dawkins and Harris are employing a transparent sleight of hand that holds Christianity responsible for the crimes committed in its name, while exonerating secularism and atheism for the greater crimes committed in their name.

Religious fanatics have done things that are impossible to defend, and some of them, mostly in the Muslim world, are still performing horrors in the name of their creed. But if religion sometimes disposes people to self-righteousness and absolutism, it also provides a moral code that condemns the slaughter of innocents. In particular, the moral teachings of Jesus provide no support for - indeed they stand as a stern rebuke to - the historical injustices perpetrated in the name of Christianity.

Atheist hubris

The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people - the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped - have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky’s dictum,“If God is not, everything is permitted.”

Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

It’s time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history.
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#3 Sep 10, 2008
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#4 Sep 10, 2008
Atheism is the driving force behind Communism, Fascism, and National Socialism: all three—to one extent or another—viewed atheism as centrally-important to promoting their causes. This is especially the case regarding communism: atheism is the spirit inseparably and formally animating communist ideology that permitted this political ideology to inject itself into the modern world and to spread its malevolent ideas in such a short period of time. To employ a metaphor: atheism is the engine that provides the thrust behind communism, while communism acts as a kind of the steering wheel—organizing, directing, and implementing the hatred of religious faith with deadly effectiveness.

Communism: Atheism ’Я Us

http://reasoningrepaired.blogspot.com/2007/11...
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#5 Sep 10, 2008
“Communism begins where atheism begins…”(Karl Marx)

“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion”(Karl Marx)

“I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above.”(Karl Marx)

“The hellish vapors rise and fill the brain, till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed. See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me.”(Karl Marx)

“With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the fact of the world and see the collapse of this pygmy giant. Then will I wander god-like and victorious through the ruins of the world. And giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.”(Karl Marx)

“Karl Marx is a monster possessed by ten thousand devils.”(Frederick Engels)

Karl Marx “had the devil’s view of the world and the devil’s malignity. Sometimes he seemed to know that he was accomplishing the works of evil.”(Robert Payne, a friend of Karl Marx)

“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”(attributed to Vladimir I. Lenin)

“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”(V.I. Lenin)

“There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.”(V.I. Lenin)

“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen. WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”(Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper)

“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth, and God from Heaven!”(early Soviet slogan)

“With an iron fist we will drive mankind to happiness!”(Soviet slogan)

“Hatred is an element of the struggle, a relentless hatred of the enemy transforming him into an effective, violent and selective, cold blooded killing machine. A people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy.”(Che Guevare)

The official journal of the Soviet Academy of Pedagogical Sciences published a government directive Atheistic Education in the School as a resource on how to separate God from human society. The opening paragraph is revealing:“The Soviet school, as an instrument for the Communist education of the rising generation, can, as a matter of principle, take up no other attitude towards religion than one of irreconcilable opposition; for Communist education has as its philosophical basis Marxism, and Marxism is irreconcilably hostile to religion.‘Marxism is materialism,’ says V. I. Lenin; ‘as such, it is as relentlessly hostile to religion as the materialism of the Encyclopedaists of the eighteenth century or the materialism of Feuerbach.’” Another excerpt reads:“‘Religion’,” Marx said,“is nourished not on heaven but on earth, and with the annihilation of that perverted reality, of which capitalism is the theory, religion will perish of its own accord.’”

“The World has never before known a godlessness as organized, militarized and tenaciously malevolent as that preached by Marxism. Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin and at the heart of their psychology, HATRED OF GOD is the principle driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot. To achieve its diabolical ends, Communism needs to control a population devoid of religious and national feeling, and this entails a destruction of faith and nationhood. Communists proclaim both of these objectives openly, and just as openly put them into practice.”(Alexander Solzhenitsyn)

Communism: Atheism R Us

http://reasoningrepaired.blogspot.com/2007/11...

Since: Sep 08

Willemstad, Curacao

#6 Sep 10, 2008
Zac wrote:
let's get something straight first. I'm an atheist.
What denomination are you?
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#7 Sep 10, 2008
CaribbeanJake wrote:
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let's get something straight first. I'm an atheist.
What denomination are you?
If Atheism is the so called truth why can't it defend itself. Religion has been analysed and investigated for the past hundreds of years. Let's see if "Atheism" can withstand the same investigation. All I am doing here is using the same tools of logic, reasoning and science to investigate the belief "Atheism". Now let me hear your views on the post.
atheist

Calgary, Canada

#8 Sep 10, 2008
Zac wrote:
<quoted text>
If Atheism is the so called truth why can't it defend itself. Religion has been analysed and investigated for the past hundreds of years. Let's see if "Atheism" can withstand the same investigation.
maybe you should first learn what exactly atheism is,and then talk

http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/
atheist

Calgary, Canada

#9 Sep 10, 2008
atheist

Calgary, Canada

#10 Sep 10, 2008
Zac wrote:
Blindly blaming religion for conflict
religion IS THE culprit behind all the religious violence if you havent noticed.

until you SHOW us some atheists killing people in the Name of Atheism you are NOT making any sense.
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#11 Sep 10, 2008
atheist wrote:
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religion IS THE culprit behind all the religious violence if you havent noticed.
until you SHOW us some atheists killing people in the Name of Atheism you are NOT making any sense.
You guys love selective reasoning to suit your agenda. Enforcing unbelief by killing 300+ million men, women and children is killing in the name of Atheism.

Here is some lessons from very recent history....

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“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism”

How was "Atheism" propagated? Through terror in French Atheist Jacobin style - burning of Churches and Christians and raping their women and daughters..........

“We need the real, nation-wide terror which reinvigorates the country and through which the Great French Revolution achieved glory”

Vladimir Lenin - Atheist

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"Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy."

Mao Tse-Tung - Atheist

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“Since he is of no use anymore, there is no gain if he lives and no loss if he dies.”

“The only good bourgeois is a dead bourgeois.”

Pol Pot - Atheist

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"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem."

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."

“I believe in one thing only, the power of human will.”

“You cannot make a revolution with silk gloves.”

“The only real power comes out of a long rifle.”

Joseph Stalin - Atheist
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#12 Sep 10, 2008
atheist wrote:
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religion IS THE culprit behind all the religious violence if you havent noticed.
until you SHOW us some atheists killing people in the Name of Atheism you are NOT making any sense.
FINNISH ATHIEST KILLS 5 BOYS AND 2 GIRLS FOR ATHEISM

“a cynical existentialist, anti-human humanist, anti-social social-Darwinist, realistic idealist and god-like atheist.

“I am prepared to fight and die for my cause,” he wrote.“I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.”

Ref: CNN International - Europe,* update - linked July 30, 2008

http://atheisticviolence.wordpress.com/2008/0... (REFER QUESTION # 6)
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#13 Sep 10, 2008
atheist wrote:
http://www.atheists.org/Atheis m/ethics.html
Atheism, in the end, is a belief system in its own right, one in which there can be no claim that a thieving, philandering, serial murdering cannibal is any less commendable a member of the species than a selfless, hard-working philanthropist. In fact, from an evolutionist perspective, the former may well have the advantage.

To a true atheist, there can be no more ultimate meaning to good and bad actions than to good or bad weather; no more import to right and wrong than to right and left. To be sure, rationales might be conceived for establishing societal norms, but social contracts are practical tools, not moral imperatives; they are, in the end, artificial. Only an acknowledgement of the Creator can impart true meaning to human life, placing it on a plane above that of mosquitoes.

Proponents of atheism bristle when confronted by the implications of their belief, that morality and ethics are mere figments of our evolutionary imagination. But, for all their umbrage, they cannot articulate any way there can really ever be, as one writer has put it, "good without God."

The Indignity of Atheism

http://www.aish.com/spirituality/philosophy/T...
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#14 Sep 10, 2008
atheist wrote:
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maybe you should first learn what exactly atheism is,and then talk
http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/
What have you got to fear, check it out....

http://atheisticviolence.wordpress.com/2007/1...
god is imaginary friend

Calgary, Canada

#15 Sep 10, 2008
Zac wrote:
Atheism is the driving force behind Communism, Fascism, and National Socialism: all three—to one extent or another—viewed atheism as centrally-important to promoting their causes. This is especially the case regarding communism: atheism is the spirit inseparably and formally animating communist ideology that permitted this political ideology to inject itself into the modern world and to spread its malevolent ideas in such a short period of time. To employ a metaphor: atheism is the engine that provides the thrust behind communism, while communism acts as a kind of the steering wheel—organizing, directing, and implementing the hatred of religious faith with deadly effectiveness.
Communism: Atheism ’&#1071; Us
http://reasoningrepaired.blogspot.com/2007/11...
wrong on all counts bud,
fascism
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
communism
http://www.nobeliefs.com/facts.htm
jesus
http://www.nobeliefs.com/jesus.htm
xian god
www.evilbible.com
god is imaginary friend

Calgary, Canada

#16 Sep 10, 2008
god is imaginary friend

Calgary, Canada

#17 Sep 10, 2008
Zac wrote:
<quoted text>
What have you got to fear, check it out....
http://atheisticviolence.wordpress.com/2007/1...
its too full of FALLACIOUS nonsense

http://www.nobeliefs.com/fallacies.htm
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#18 Sep 10, 2008
god is imaginary friend wrote:
Was Hitler a Christian?

http://townhall.com/columnists/DineshDSouza/2...

Embarrassed at the murderous legacy of atheist Communist regimes in the twentieth century, leading atheists seek to even the score with believers by portraying Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime as theist and specifically Christian. Atheist websites routinely claim that Hitler was a Christian because he was born Catholic, he never publicly renounced his Catholicism, and he wrote in Mein Kampf,“By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Atheist writer Sam Harris writes that since “the Holocaust marked the culmination of…two hundred years of Christian fulminating against the Jews,” therefore “knowingly or not, the Nazis were agents of religion.”

How persuasive are these claims? Hitler was born Catholic just as Stalin was born into the Russian Orthodox Church and Mao was raised as a Buddhist. These facts prove nothing as many people reject their religious upbringing, as these three men did. From an early age, historian Allan Bullock writes, Hitler “had no time at all for Catholic teaching, regarding it as a religion fit only for slaves and detesting its ethics.”
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#19 Sep 10, 2008
god is imaginary friend wrote:
Was Hitler a Christian?

Continued....

How then do we account for Hitler’s claim that in carrying out his anti-Semitic program he was an instrument of divine providence? During his ascent to power, Hitler needed the support of the German people—both the Bavarian Catholics and the Prussian Lutherans—and to secure this he occasionally used rhetoric such as “I am doing the Lord’s work.” To claim that this rhetoric makes Hitler a Christian is to confuse political opportunism with personal conviction. Hitler himself says in Mein Kampf that his public statements should be understood as propaganda that bears no relation to the truth but is designed to sway the masses.

The Nazi idea of an Aryan Christ who uses the sword to cleanse the earth of the Jews—what historians call “Aryan Christianity”—was obviously a radical departure from the traditional Christian understanding and was condemned as such by Pope Pius XI at the time. Moreover, Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not religious, it was racial. Jews were targeted not because of their religion—indeed many German Jews were completely secular in their way of life—but because of their racial identity. This was an ethnic and not a religious designation. Hitler’s anti-Semitism was secular.

Hitler’s Table Talk, a revealing collection of the Fuhrer’s private opinions, assembled by a close aide during the war years, shows Hitler to be rabidly anti-religious. He called Christianity one of the great “scourges” of history, and said of the Germans,“Let’s be the only people who are immunized against this disease.” He promised that “through the peasantry we shall be able to destroy Christianity.” In fact, he blamed the Jews for inventing Christianity. He also condemned Christianity for its opposition to evolution.
Zac

Pennant Hills, Australia

#20 Sep 10, 2008
god is imaginary friend wrote:
Was Hitler a Christian?

Continued....

Hitler reserved special scorn for the Christian values of equality and compassion, which he identified with weakness. Hitler’s leading advisers like Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich and Bormann were atheists who hated religion and sought to eradicate its influence in Germany.

In his multi-volume history of the Third Reich, historian Richard Evans writes that “the Nazis regarded the churches as the strongest and toughest reservoirs of ideological opposition to the principles they believed in.” Once Hitler and the Nazis came to power, they launched a ruthless drive to subdue and weaken the Christian churches in Germany. Evans points out that after 1937 the policies of Hitler’s government became increasingly anti-religious.

The Nazis stopped celebrating Christmas, and the Hitler Youth recited a prayer thanking the Fuhrer rather than God for their blessings. Clergy regarded as “troublemakers” were ordered not to preach, hundreds of them were imprisoned, and many were simply murdered. Churches were under constant Gestapo surveillance. The Nazis closed religious schools, forced Christian organizations to disband, dismissed civil servants who were practicing Christians, confiscated church property, and censored religious newspapers. Poor Sam Harris cannot explain how an ideology that Hitler and his associates perceived as a repudiation of Christianity can be portrayed as a “culmination” of Christianity.

If Nazism represented the culmination of anything, it was that of the nineteenth-century and early-twentieth century ideology of social Darwinism. As historian Richard Weikart documents, both Hitler and Himmler were admirers of Darwin and often spoke of their role as enacting a “law of nature” that guaranteed the “elimination of the unfit.” Weikart argues that Hitler himself “drew upon a bountiful fund of social Darwinist thought to construct his own racist philosophy” and concludes that while Darwinism is not a “sufficient” intellectual explanation for Nazism, it is a “necessary” one. Without Darwinism, there might not have been Nazism.

The Nazis also drew on the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, adapting his atheist philosophy to their crude purposes. Nietzsche’s vision of the ubermensch and his elevation of a new ethic “beyond good and evil” were avidly embraced by Nazi propagandists. Nietzsche’s “will to power” almost became a Nazi recruitment slogan. I am not for a moment suggesting that Darwin or Nietzsche would have approved of Hitler’s ideas. But Hitler and his henchmen approved of Darwin’s and Nietzsche’s ideas. Harris simply ignores the evidence of the Nazis’ sympathies for Darwin, Nietzsche, and atheism. So what sense can we make of his claim that the leading Nazis were “knowingly or unknowingly” agents of religion? Clearly, it is nonsense.

So in addition to the mountain of corpses that the God-hating regimes of Stalin, Mao, Pot Pot and others have produced, we must add the body count of the God-hating Nazi regime. The Nazis, like the Communists, deliberately targeted the churches and the believers because they wanted to create a new man and a new utopia freed from the shackles of traditional religion and traditional morality. In an earlier blog, I asked what is atheism’s contribution to civilization? One answer to that question: Genocide.

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