Adam and Eve... and Lilith?

Adam and Eve... and Lilith?

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Average Male

Portland, OR

#1 Jul 8, 2013
Did God give Adam a do-over on creating him a woman, because Lilith– who, according to the Jewish midrash – was created before Eve, but evidently didn't work out? Is that white even was made from Adam, from his rib, rather than being created separately from the clay like Adam was? God used Adam's rib, so the newly created woman would be always at his side. Maybe the first effort 'Lilith'(woman 1.0) just didn't pass the beta testing! And so God came out with a new version, woman 2.0 and called her Eve.
samyaza ancient one

Alice, TX

#3 Aug 16, 2013
lilith was a watcher. just like the name i'm using with the exception of ancient one. just Samyaza. who was the leader of the watchers. when Adam wanted her to be his lover she left and that angered GOD and sent three angels after her to ask, of force her to go back to adam. I guess God wanted to create the nephilim through them( adam and lilith ).and that is where samyaza got the idea to create the nephilim by going after the duaghters of man, but since samyaza's intentions were bad their children became evil. they ( the Watchers) gave us the same technology we have now. but the writers of the books like the book of enoch never seen cars, trucks , airplaines,etc.and they called it sorcery( electrical and mechanical technology). seems like history is repeating itself again. like we are doomed to relive the lives we had back before the great deluge. lately for the past 2 months i've been havig these visions of reliving the great deluge. my sisters and brother say it's just deja-vu. but i tell them it's to vivied to be deja-vu. i don't know
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#4 Aug 16, 2013
samyaza ancient one wrote:
lilith was a watcher. just like the name i'm using with the exception of ancient one. just Samyaza. who was the leader of the watchers.....
Interesting point of view, especially given you cite The Book of The Prophet Enoch.

Ezekiel saw some interesting stuff too.

"As I watched, a great stormwind came from the North, a large cloud with flashing fire, a bright glow all around it, and something like polished metal gleamed at the center of the fire.
From within it figures in the likeness of four living creatures appeared.

This is what they looked like:
They were in human form, but each had four faces and four wings, and their legs were straight, the soles of their feet like the hooves of a bull, gleaming like polished brass.
Human hands were under their wings, and the wings of one touched those of another.
Their faces and their wings looked out on all their four sides; they did not turn when they moved, but each went straight ahead.
Their faces were like this: each of the four had a human face, and on the right the face of a lion, and on the left, the face of an ox, and each had the face of an eagle.
Such were their faces.
Their wings were spread out above. On each one, two wings touched one another, and the other two wings covered the body.
Each went straight ahead.
Wherever the spirit would go, they went; they did not change direction when they moved.

And the appearance of the living creatures seemed like burning coals of fire. Something indeed like torches moved back and forth among the living creatures. The fire gleamed intensely, and from it lightning flashed.
The creatures darting back and forth flashed like lightning.

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw wheels on the ground, one alongside each of the four living creatures.
The wheels and their construction sparkled like yellow topaz, and all four of them looked the same: their construction seemed as though one wheel was inside the other.
When they moved, they went in any of the four directions without veering as they moved.

The four of them had rims, high and fearsome—eyes filled the four rims all around.
When the living creatures moved, the wheels moved with them; and when the living creatures were raised from the ground, the wheels also were raised.
Wherever the spirit would go, they went. And they were raised up together with the living creatures, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
Wherever the living creatures moved, the wheels moved; when they stood still, the wheels stood still. When they were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up with them. For the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
Above the heads of the living creatures was a likeness of the firmament; it was awesome, stretching upwards like shining crystal over their heads.
Beneath the firmament their wings stretched out toward one another; each had two wings covering the body.

Then I heard the sound of their wings, like the roaring of mighty waters, like the voice of the Almighty. When they moved, the sound of the tumult was like the din of an army. And when they stood still, they lowered their wings.
While they stood with their wings lowered, a voice came from above the firmament over their heads.
Above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne that looked like sapphire; and upon this likeness of a throne was seated, up above, a figure that looked like a human being.

And I saw something like polished metal, like the appearance of fire enclosed on all sides, from what looked like the waist up; and from what looked like the waist down, I saw something like the appearance of fire and brilliant light surrounding him.
Just like the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day so was the appearance of brilliance that surrounded him. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speak."
Debatable

Chicago, IL

#5 Aug 18, 2013
We are not to except what is already been preached.
The book of Enoch was never a part of the KJV, and was suspected to be written by a satanist.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/london-ky/TG1...
samyaza ancient one

Alice, TX

#6 Aug 19, 2013
Debatable wrote:
We are not to except what is already been preached.
The book of Enoch was never a part of the KJV, and was suspected to be written by a satanist.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/london-ky/TG1...
the book of Enoch is not in the modern bibles. many books aside from the book of Enoch have been removed. like the book of jubilees, and others. if you come aross an old one you'll notice. i wander what the Catholic, and Protestant rulers have to hide from the people?
samyaza ancient one

Alice, TX

#7 Aug 22, 2013
Debatable wrote:
We are not to except what is already been preached.
The book of Enoch was never a part of the KJV, and was suspected to be written by a satanist.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/london-ky/TG1...
many books that were in the older Bibles can't be found in the modern Bibles. aside from the book of Enoch, and the book of jubilees, and other books that describe the Watchers, and their offspring the nephilims (part Angel part Human)and the so-called sorcery the watchers gave mankind. I personally don't believe in sorcery and magic. more then likely they meant to say Electrical and Mechanical Technology. just like we have today. I wonder what both Catholics , and Protestant leaders find these books so threatening ?
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#9 Aug 22, 2013
samyaza ancient one wrote:
<quoted text>many books that were in the older Bibles can't be found in the modern Bibles. aside from the book of Enoch, and the book of jubilees, and other books that describe the Watchers, and their offspring the nephilims (part Angel part Human)and the so-called sorcery the watchers gave mankind. I personally don't believe in sorcery and magic. more then likely they meant to say Electrical and Mechanical Technology. just like we have today.

I wonder what both Catholics , and Protestant leaders find these books so threatening ?
Careful how you sling accusations around.

Catholics are who have preserved those books and make them available resources today.
Also, our Bible still contains those seven books that protestants removed from their translations.
samyaza ancient one

Alice, TX

#10 Aug 23, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Careful how you sling accusations around.
Catholics are who have preserved those books and make them available resources today.
Also, our Bible still contains those seven books that protestants removed from their translations.
First let me start out by saying i'm Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. i was born into the Catholic faith of Christianity. then i tried the Protestant faith of Christianity. now I don't belong to any organized Christian faith, and now I pray to My Lord , and Heavenly Father(GOD) alone. i'm seeking Alone to find Spiritual answers i'm searthing for. the Church can't teach me anything else that they have already taught me in Church, and the CCD classes I took during my younger years in the late 70's and early 80's. don't get me wrong i still go to confession every now and then. i just don't go to Chruch as i ought to do. once again i'm sorry. ever since I brought up the issue to the priest about the Watchers (Angels) mating with the daughters of men, and Lilith back in the day I used to go to Church. he got angry and said that was Jewish folklore , and i shouldn't listen to it. he said , and i Quote " Angels are spiritual and they can't have children". so i left instead of starting an arguement. I Know Angels in their true form can't have children. but when they manifested themselves in human form they manifested themselves with human reproductive parts too
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Since: Apr 13

Scappoose, Oregon USA

#11 Aug 23, 2013
Average Male wrote:
Did God give Adam a do-over on creating him a woman, because Lilith– who, according to the Jewish midrash – was created before Eve, but evidently didn't work out? Is that white even was made from Adam, from his rib, rather than being created separately from the clay like Adam was? God used Adam's rib, so the newly created woman would be always at his side. Maybe the first effort 'Lilith'(woman 1.0) just didn't pass the beta testing! And so God came out with a new version, woman 2.0 and called her Eve.
Very interesting idea! All things biblical or so difficult to get a firm grasp on, because it seems that every version of the truth as well as the book(s) we get our information from are interpretations. For instance the King James Bible is a version, just like all the others. It is after all called the 'King James version' and there is no "original Bible" which has all the books in it. And then, the language in which they were written, the language of the times, is difficult for us with our 21st century thinking to understand. At least it is for me! But was Lilith the first version of woman and she didn't work out? Something to think about.
samyaza ancient one

Alice, TX

#12 Sep 11, 2013
Jenji wrote:
<quoted text>
Very interesting idea! All things biblical or so difficult to get a firm grasp on, because it seems that every version of the truth as well as the book(s) we get our information from are interpretations. For instance the King James Bible is a version, just like all the others. It is after all called the 'King James version' and there is no "original Bible" which has all the books in it. And then, the language in which they were written, the language of the times, is difficult for us with our 21st century thinking to understand. At least it is for me! But was Lilith the first version of woman and she didn't work out? Something to think about.
LILITH was a female watcher(female angel) who was in charge of taking care of Adam, but he fell in love with her and wanted for to stay with him so he could dominate her. so she got angry and left
Cisco Kid

United States

#13 Sep 11, 2013
samyaza ancient one wrote:
<quoted text>First let me start out by saying i'm Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. i was born into the Catholic faith of Christianity. then i tried the Protestant faith of Christianity. now I don't belong to any organized Christian faith, and now I pray to My Lord , and Heavenly Father(GOD) alone. i'm seeking Alone to find Spiritual answers i'm searthing for. the Church can't teach me anything else that they have already taught me in Church, and the CCD classes I took during my younger years in the late 70's and early 80's. don't get me wrong i still go to confession every now and then. i just don't go to Chruch as i ought to do. once again i'm sorry. ever since I brought up the issue to the priest about the Watchers (Angels) mating with the daughters of men, and Lilith back in the day I used to go to Church. he got angry and said that was Jewish folklore , and i shouldn't listen to it. he said , and i Quote " Angels are spiritual and they can't have children". so i left instead of starting an arguement. I Know Angels in their true form can't have children. but when they manifested themselves in human form they manifested themselves with human reproductive parts too
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You have been told to seek and you shall find.
You left the house before knocking on all the doors.
Maybe there is still more to learn from that's contained in the repository of knowledge kept by The Mother Church.

Check this excerpt out:
"It is certainly significant that, instead of borrowing from the abundant legends and doctrines ready to their hand in the alien systems, the rabbinical demonologists sought their starting point in some text of their own scriptures and drew forth all they wanted by means of their subtle and ingenious methods of exegesis.
Thus the aforesaid text of Isaias furnished, under the name of Lilith, a mysterious female night spirit who apparently lived in desolate places, and forthwith they made her the demon wife of Adam and the mother of demons....."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04713a.htm

It's a little more than halfway down the page.
That web-site is deeper than it looks at first glance.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you but my laptop took a dive and then a huge wildfire broke out just across the river from me.
The Rim Fire is finally settling down and so is my days.
Peace.

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