Proving The BIBLE
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#1 Jan 21, 2013
The Bible is an upcoming television series, produced by Roma Downey and Mark Burnett, which is based on the Bible. It will air on History beginning March 3, 2013. Burnett considers the scripted 10-hour series to be the "most important" project he has undertaken. The project was conceived by Burnett and Downey, who are married, after watching Cecil B. DeMille's version of The Ten Commandments for the first time since childhood. The series will mark Burnett's first scripted project. In addition to Burnett and Downey, executive producers include Richard Bedser and History's Dirk Hoogstra and Julian P. Hobbs.
Although the KJV is preferred, the series will be based on the New International Version" and the "New Revised Standard Version" of the Bible, for more basic understanding.
There are many KJV Bible prophecies that can be proven through archaeology, especially prophecy dealing with entire nations. Typically, when God declared judgment on a nation, He would send a prophet to announce to the citizens why He was judging them and what He was going to do to them if they continued their evil behavior. On occasion, God would also tell the citizens how He would reward them if they started doing what was right. The book of Jonah records a case where the Assyrians stopped doing what was evil as a result of Jonahs short prophecy. This is what God wanted, and God did not punish them as a result of their change of heart. However, most often the people would jeer at Gods prophet and continue their bad behaviorlater becoming recipients of the exact punishment that God threatened.
Like other prophecy recorded in the Bible, these predictions support the supernatural inspiration of the Bible. The prophecies recorded in the Bible came true in such a detailed way that they could not have been predicted by chance. Further, archaeologists have evidence that these prophecies were written down many years before they were fulfilled, proving that they were not falsified documents claiming to be prophecies that came true.(The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls stopped the majority of that talk.)
The Bible is replete with prophecies that could not have been fulfilled through chance, good guessing, or deliberate deceit ...
"... Since Christ is the culminating theme of the Old Testament and the Living Word of the New Testament, it should not surprise us that prophecies regarding Him outnumber all others. Many of these prophesies would have been impossible for Jesus to deliberately conspire to fulfillsuch as his descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Genesis 12:3; 17:19; Matthew 1:1-2; Acts 3:25); his birth in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1, 6); his crucifixion with criminals (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38; cf. Luke 22:37); the piercing of his hands and feet on the cross (Psalm 22:16; John 20:25); the soldiers gambling for his clothes (Psalm 22:18; Matthew 27:35); the piercing of his side (Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34); the fact that his bones were not broken at his death (Psalm 34:20; John 19:33-37); and his burial among the rich (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60).
“The future begins”
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#2 Jan 21, 2013
All we have in the gospel stories are the storyteller's craft. If you had the Hebrew scripture to start with, it is a small thing to create a story that incorporates bits and pieces from that scripture that "prove" the hero, in this case the Christ myth, "fulfilled" those sayings. External corroboration is sadly lacking in a story that is alleged to be so important to mankind. Do you not find it odd that people leapt out of their graves during a feast week in Jerusalem, with thens of thousands of Jews and Romans in attendance, and not a single person saw fit to record this phenomena except Matthew?
In the first place many of these "prophecy fulfillments" were not Messianic prophecy at all. They are obscure passages taken wildly out of context and weaved into the new story.
Secondly, the Christ hero did not fulfill many of the authentic Messianic prophecies. Christians get around this by proposing a "2nd Coming" in which they will be fulfilled in some indeterminate future.
Third, many of the so-called "prophecies" rely on poorly translated versions of actual scripture. When rendered in their original tongue, the Christ prophecies fall apart.
The Christ story is a myth, a hoax, an abrogation of one people's sacred mythology in order to propose another.
“The future begins”
Since: Jul 07
#3 Jan 21, 2013
I have read my Bible, for 40+ years as a practicing and committed Christian, and now as an inveterate skeptic (apostate, they say from within the sanctuary). In the last 20 years I have studied it in depth - in fact I began so in order to be a more complete Christian, and it was this very study that caused the "scales to fall from my eyes" as to the veracity of it's claims.
One of the most self-serving and fallacious "proofs" I discovered in my reading was the shameless and cavalier way that Christianity hijacked an ancient people's scripture (namely, Judaism), including their prophecies. Not content with that, they further "discovered" other "prophecies" where none was known previously to exist, even by the author. I would love to find a prophecy, Messianic or otherwise, that has unequivocally come true, but I am still looking. If anyone knows of one, I'd like to hear it.
Biblical "prophecy" tends to be hopelessly vague, and generally go something along the lines of,
"...and in that day the rulers of the east and west will usher in a period of tribulation, until such time as the eagle shall scream at high noon, whereby the man of sorrows shalt utter a plea to the Almighty to find his chariot keys."
These may call themselves prophecy, but these posers should be tarred and feathered and carried out on a rail. As vague as these utterances are, they can be applied to some situation in virtually every decade of history since utterance. They're no more prophetic than a fortune cookie. To make matters worse, the Christians came along and hijacked these vague utterances, and put their own wholly gratuitous spin on them, piling contumely upon obscurity.
I do hope tho' that together we can search through and find just one that deservedly carries the name of "prophecy come true," requiring no disclaimer intoning, "First one must believe, only then shall truth be revealed." Hmmm. That's just what Tinkerbell said too. If this is prophecy, these Biblical parlor tricks serve no purpose beyond padding the ego of an insecure deity. If this God wants to keep secrets, I say leave him be. He can't be trusted.
Remember, true prophecy is not just any old educated guess based on political realities. Divine Prophecy is like a healing miracle - it should be a manifestation of supernatural power providing unequivocal evidence to believers AND unbelievers alike, without the need of indoctrination. It must be bold as the sun and clear as a bell, subject to no pitiful human's interpretation.
So, if anyone can find just one true unequivocal prophecy in the NT, I pledge to hie my arse back to the altar. Here's your chance - the heart is open - God commands you to save me from Ol' Scratch. Let 'er rip.
#4 Jan 21, 2013
i am thinking about the millions of believers that say jesus reveals himself in spirit to them.
it is worth it to believe there is paradise awaiting on the other side.
better to be safe than sorry.
and after all i have missed out on NOTHING,
by being saved and born again.
“The future begins”
Since: Jul 07
#5 Jan 21, 2013
In other words, you feel safe in believing in a particular version of paradise, while rejecting all others.
Considering the number of versions of afterlife in the world,, it appears that the odds that you chose correctly are pretty slim. Your wager becomes less than throwing darts.
#6 Jan 21, 2013
The earliest copies of the Book of Daniel in our possession today were found at Qumran (DSS). In the 6th century (536BC) Daniel and the Hebrews were captive in Babylon where they were schooled for 70 years. The language of Babylon was Old Aramaic.
The Hebrew found in the Daniel mss is of an ancient script no longer in use. There is an Aramaic section as well that is of more importance since it too is of an ancient script.
The Hebrew of Daniel is similar to that found in Ezra, Nehemiah, Chronicles, and Esther.(Montgomery 1964, p14) Thereby placing it in the same general time period as those books, that being the 5th century.
The Hebrew is in agreement with what one would expect from the reign of Cyrus the Great and therefore fits with the c. 536 date for the final writing, however more important in dating the Hebrew sections are the loan words found in the Hebrew sections; the connection of the Hebrew to the Aramaic section and other non-linguistic indicators found within the Hebrew sections. These all point to a early date and will be discussed below.
The Aramaic clearly belongs to the time period the book itself claims. This is supported by Wilson:This Aramaic is almost exactly the same as that which is found in portions of Ezra. On account of the large number of Babylonian and Persian words characteristic of this Aramaic and of that of the papyri recently found in Egypt, as well as on account of the general similarity of the nominal, verbal and other forms, and of the syntactical construction, the Aramaic of this period might properly be called the Babylonian-Persian Aramaic(Wilson p.25).
The Aramaic section of the book was intended for publication on a large scale and was therefore written in the language of the Empire. If the writer was recording Nebuchadnezzars words in the lingua franca of the day in order to declare the sovereignty of the God of Israel to the surrounding nations, then the use of Old Aramaic makes sense. But why use Old Aramaic if the book was written c. 165 in the Hellenistic period.
Four empires of Daniel, understood by scholars of differing backgrounds for over 2000 years.
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