Michael Jackson broke down racial barriers

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Michael Jackson was an international superstar, and many in the black community herald him for breaking down racial barriers in the music industry.
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I agree.

But I will say that Michael Jackson made artists and their record companies spend a lot more on their music videos. But even that proves to be a bit off the mark because Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf"

It came out before Michael Jackson and filmed like a movie.

MTV was great but it was originally set up to push New Wave music, which had no radio format in the US before MTV. They played a little of everything. Even bands like Rush in concert.

MTV was a new format in the eighties so they were testing the waters...

I didn't watch it and say, "There is a black guy"

I liked it because it was music played on TV.

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I agree.
But I will say that Michael Jackson made artists and their record companies spend a lot more on their music videos. But even that proves to be a bit off the mark because Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf"
It came out before Michael Jackson and filmed like a movie.
MTV was great but it was originally set up to push New Wave music, which had no radio format in the US before MTV. They played a little of everything. Even bands like Rush in concert.
MTV was a new format in the eighties so they were testing the waters...
I didn't watch it and say, "There is a black guy"
I liked it because it was music played on TV.
Basically. Duran Duran were pioneers of music video, something that in the midst of "Michaelmania" nowadays gets overlooked (just like Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers' barrier breaking success as a doo-wop vocal group that had pop success is overlooked thanks to the Jackson 5). Even MJ getting credit for changing the video format is not actually accurate. All he did was bring the musicals to music videos. Only part people repeated was the in-line dancing from "Beat It" onwards but that was about it, I think.
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Basically. Duran Duran were pioneers of music video, something that in the midst of "Michaelmania" nowadays gets overlooked (just like Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers' barrier breaking success as a doo-wop vocal group that had pop success is overlooked thanks to the Jackson 5). Even MJ getting credit for changing the video format is not actually accurate. All he did was bring the musicals to music videos. Only part people repeated was the in-line dancing from "Beat It" onwards but that was about it, I think.
I don't think floons care about Frankie Lymon And The Teenagers or Little Anthony And The Imperials because they can't progress that far in music history. They believe what The Jacksons tell them.

Both groups were far more talented than The Jackson 5.

Floons think Wacko invented it and did it first.

Even Little Stevie Wonder did it before The Jackson 5.

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Floons think Wacko invented it and did it first.
Floons don't think. They regurgitate whatever their WackoCult tells them.
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Floons don't think. They regurgitate whatever their WackoCult tells them.
Very true.

A lot of artists helped break down the racial barriers in pop music long before the clown was even born.

Sammy Davis Jr is certainly another entertainer that comes to mind.

The Jacksons love ignorance and thinks everyone should believe their lies.

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I don't think floons care about Frankie Lymon And The Teenagers or Little Anthony And The Imperials because they can't progress that far in music history. They believe what The Jacksons tell them.
Both groups were far more talented than The Jackson 5.
Floons think Wacko invented it and did it first.
Even Little Stevie Wonder did it before The Jackson 5.
Almost forgot about Little Anthony and the Imperials.:) But yeah great point. And yes far more talented. The Jackson 5, I just realized how much I couldn't stand them! I was never into their music like other MJ fans. Overall I was never really that much of a fan of the Jackos no matter how many times I tried to convince myself I was much of a fan. As it so happens, I only liked a few J5 songs, mainly from their later years when MJ's voice deepened, and a few grown-up Jacko songs ("Heartbreak Hotel" being the obvious one and "Time Waits for No One", written by Randy, was really good). You're right about "Little Stevie" and he had a far better voice at 15 than Michael had at that age!

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Very true.
A lot of artists helped break down the racial barriers in pop music long before the clown was even born.
Sammy Davis Jr is certainly another entertainer that comes to mind.
The Jacksons love ignorance and thinks everyone should believe their lies.
They're the first family of lip synchers.:) LOL

I notice that they named another family group "the first family of soul" and they were called the Five Stairsteps, from Chicago, Illinois (they charted as far back on the R&B charts back in 1966 but didn't cross over until "Ooh Child" in 1970). Oddly enough the J5 covered "Ooh Child"!

Although the actual first family of soul was really the Isley Brothers and all three Isleys (including the future Mr. Biggs, Ron Isley) were practically in their late teens, Ron had just turned 18 singing like a 30-year-old gospel singer.

Going further back, another really talented child singer was Ira Tucker, who led the gospel group the Dixie Hummingbirds. He had joined the group at 13 and from witnesses was an out of this world talent as a vocalist and performer. He'd probably make MJ blush. Another future star who would've gave Michael more than a run for his money if she had been his age in 1969 was Aretha Franklin when she was around 13, 14, singing "Precious Lord" like she had an epiphany! Add to that she was already showing skills as a pianist at that age.

But people were so taken aback by some 10-year-old whiny little boy trying to sing like Diana Ross...lol
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They're the first family of lip synchers.:) LOL
I notice that they named another family group "the first family of soul" and they were called the Five Stairsteps, from Chicago, Illinois (they charted as far back on the R&B charts back in 1966 but didn't cross over until "Ooh Child" in 1970). Oddly enough the J5 covered "Ooh Child"!
Although the actual first family of soul was really the Isley Brothers and all three Isleys (including the future Mr. Biggs, Ron Isley) were practically in their late teens, Ron had just turned 18 singing like a 30-year-old gospel singer.
Going further back, another really talented child singer was Ira Tucker, who led the gospel group the Dixie Hummingbirds. He had joined the group at 13 and from witnesses was an out of this world talent as a vocalist and performer. He'd probably make MJ blush. Another future star who would've gave Michael more than a run for his money if she had been his age in 1969 was Aretha Franklin when she was around 13, 14, singing "Precious Lord" like she had an epiphany! Add to that she was already showing skills as a pianist at that age.
But people were so taken aback by some 10-year-old whiny little boy trying to sing like Diana Ross...lol
Quite frankly, after checking out countless groups and hearing their music, I certainly think Wacko is way overrated. Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, George Clinton, Jackie Wilson, The Four Tops, The Isleys and more...almost all of them were better than Michael Jackson. Michael was talented at certain points in his career but I hated "Ben" "Rockin Robin" and most of the rest. Listen to "My Girl" by The Temptations for example. Jacko couldn't top that even when he was ten years old. Jacko ruined whatever he had the minute he molested a child. It was written all over his face and 50 plastic surgeries could never hide it.
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They're the first family of lip synchers.:) LOL
I notice that they named another family group "the first family of soul" and they were called the Five Stairsteps, from Chicago, Illinois (they charted as far back on the R&B charts back in 1966 but didn't cross over until "Ooh Child" in 1970). Oddly enough the J5 covered "Ooh Child"!
Although the actual first family of soul was really the Isley Brothers and all three Isleys (including the future Mr. Biggs, Ron Isley) were practically in their late teens, Ron had just turned 18 singing like a 30-year-old gospel singer.
Going further back, another really talented child singer was Ira Tucker, who led the gospel group the Dixie Hummingbirds. He had joined the group at 13 and from witnesses was an out of this world talent as a vocalist and performer. He'd probably make MJ blush. Another future star who would've gave Michael more than a run for his money if she had been his age in 1969 was Aretha Franklin when she was around 13, 14, singing "Precious Lord" like she had an epiphany! Add to that she was already showing skills as a pianist at that age.
But people were so taken aback by some 10-year-old whiny little boy trying to sing like Diana Ross...lol
I think The Jackson 5 were heavily promoted at the beginning in 1970 by Motown because things were changing rapidly. The Jackson 5 were a bubblegum group very much like The Partridge Family, The Osmonds or The Brady Bunch...

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I think The Jackson 5 were heavily promoted at the beginning in 1970 by Motown because things were changing rapidly. The Jackson 5 were a bubblegum group very much like The Partridge Family, The Osmonds or The Brady Bunch...
I think the only reasons he was inducted both with the J5 and as a solo artist was due to these reasons:

1.) media attention
2.) Jacko's solo success
3.) the influence of Motown

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I think The Jackson 5 were heavily promoted at the beginning in 1970 by Motown because things were changing rapidly. The Jackson 5 were a bubblegum group very much like The Partridge Family, The Osmonds or The Brady Bunch...
Agreed. Now people are able to argue "okay you induct the Jackson 5, why not induct the Monkees?" LOL least the Monkees had more musical knowledge though.

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Quite frankly, after checking out countless groups and hearing their music, I certainly think Wacko is way overrated. Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, George Clinton, Jackie Wilson, The Four Tops, The Isleys and more...almost all of them were better than Michael Jackson. Michael was talented at certain points in his career but I hated "Ben" "Rockin Robin" and most of the rest. Listen to "My Girl" by The Temptations for example. Jacko couldn't top that even when he was ten years old. Jacko ruined whatever he had the minute he molested a child. It was written all over his face and 50 plastic surgeries could never hide it.
Exactly. Exactly. That's why I started becoming more of a fan of Marvin and the like, there was more music to go around than with Jacko.
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I think the only reasons he was inducted both with the J5 and as a solo artist was due to these reasons:
1.) media attention
2.) Jacko's solo success
3.) the influence of Motown
I expected that the clown be inducted in the rock hall of fame twice and I can't argue with that because he was famous. The Jacksons had support for many, many years before MJ threw it all out the window. I would've felt sorry for him if he wasn't such a child molesting turd. The clown was a compulsive liar and a cheat. Why should anyone respect him?
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Exactly. Exactly. That's why I started becoming more of a fan of Marvin and the like, there was more music to go around than with Jacko.
If you are really good, your music stands the test of time.

You wouldn't have to cheat to get there.

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I expected that the clown be inducted in the rock hall of fame twice and I can't argue with that because he was famous. The Jacksons had support for many, many years before MJ threw it all out the window. I would've felt sorry for him if he wasn't such a child molesting turd. The clown was a compulsive liar and a cheat. Why should anyone respect him?
Yeah. I'd forgive him for the self-hate and the body dysmorphic disorder and the plastic surgeries but being with children and just being a manipulative ass, I had to realize there was nothing really to feel sorry for him about except the child version of him knowing he was used and abused in any way a person could be used and abused only to turn around and abuse and use everyone as an adult himself.

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If you are really good, your music stands the test of time.
You wouldn't have to cheat to get there.
Pretty much.

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And as for MJ breaking barriers with playing rock stadiums and arenas... I got two words: Tina Turner.
Agreed. I remember listening to her music, as a child, and admiring how she developed as an artist.

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I expected that the clown be inducted in the rock hall of fame twice and I can't argue with that because he was famous. The Jacksons had support for many, many years before MJ threw it all out the window. I would've felt sorry for him if he wasn't such a child molesting turd. The clown was a compulsive liar and a cheat. Why should anyone respect him?
I feel the same you do. I liked Michael for the better part of 80's and when he was a child with the Jackson 5. I did feel empathy and my heart went out to me because Joseph was an a-hole and Katherine was complicit in the abuse and never left him. But once I figured out Michael stepped over the line into the forbidden area. I couldn't feel empathy for him anymore. You do not abuse others, all because you were abused first. Plenty of child actors had terrible parents, but they found therapy. They cried out for help. Michael Jackson did ZERO of that.

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Yeah. I'd forgive him for the self-hate and the body dysmorphic disorder and the plastic surgeries but being with children and just being a manipulative ass, I had to realize there was nothing really to feel sorry for him about except the child version of him knowing he was used and abused in any way a person could be used and abused only to turn around and abuse and use everyone as an adult himself.
Joseph would tell Michael his nose was hideous when he was a boy, and that's why Michael butchered his nose to look like Judy Jetson's. He was never satisfied with the appearance, even though he had countless of surgeries done on it. Makes you wonder what type of look was he trying to achieve for his nose.

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Agreed. I remember listening to her music, as a child, and admiring how she developed as an artist.
True. I grew up with the MTV-era Tina Turner, i.e., the one who was dominating rock stadiums. It was amazing that her career had so many twists and turns as she did and it ended up making her a legend onstage.

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