What Your Church Won't Tell You by Da...
Chess

Columbus, OH

#34866 Apr 2, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
More thn likely, and not to give the so-called "Christians" ammunition, but they will probably say something like this....."they all arrived at the tomb at different times".
- and each time, the tomb entrance stone - was rolled back to cover the tomb before they left.
Don't you know anything!!??
:o)
Why those little rascals.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#34867 Apr 2, 2014
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>No. I'd rather not. I believe there's already plenty of people in Topix that's either, arguing the point, or willing to. Try one of them.
I've heard all the arguments against "God," our anointed Savior, the Bible, the whole-nine. I'm not really hear to defend any of them. Not in this aspect, anyway. I'd rather try to reform the Church, that we might overshadow wickedness instead of the way it is now.
Thank you for understanding.
And oh, yeah. Just because a letter is written by another doesn't mean it's not the words of the person that originally dictated it.
You are welcome.

"Just because a letter is written by another doesn't mean it's not the words of the person that originally dictated it."
- you have no substance or evidence that it was.
- That is why I have asked - "Where does God specifically state which texts are of inspiration and which are not."

In a nutshell - there is no statement by "God" - thus only men have decided to voice their opinion of what is inspired and what isn't, which has blinded all of Christianity's followers into this erroneous belief - you being one of them, as you seem to accept what men have decided.

That isn't following "God", but instead it is a personal choice by yourself (and others) to follow what men have decided for you to believe.

And then claiming "God told me" - is nothing but arrogance and ego speaking, when in truth, "God" hasn't supposedly spoken to anyone in a few millenia, yet you claim "He" has.

This is just one example of how "Christians" would rather lie to themselves and others about false information.

Cheers.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#34869 Apr 2, 2014
Chess wrote:
So Peter, an illiterate, dictated 2 Peter?
Why would Peter have to be literate in order to dictate a letter to someone and have them record his words?
Chess wrote:
In Greek?
Why couldn't Peter speak Greek, or at least, Koine? Peter, after all, was from a location with a high population of what was called "Hellenistes." And considering that he was a professional fisherman, it's easy to accept that in order to do commerce, that he, most likely, spoke Aramaic and Greek.
Chess wrote:
And John, also an illiterate, crafted a finely honed gospel that employs skilled literary devices and themes in Greek?
Does John ever say, in the gospel attributed to him, that he, himself, penned "John"?
Chess wrote:
And he added to it more than 150 years after the death of Jesus with the Pericope Adulterae?
Really?
Really? 150-years after? According to who? And what does the account of our anointed Savior with the woman caught in adultery have to do with anything?

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#34870 Apr 2, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
You are welcome.
"Just because a letter is written by another doesn't mean it's not the words of the person that originally dictated it."
- you have no substance or evidence that it was.
Nor, do you have that it wasn't.
NASL wrote:
- That is why I have asked - "Where does God specifically state which texts are of inspiration and which are not."
In a nutshell - there is no statement by "God" - thus only men have decided to voice their opinion of what is inspired and what isn't, which has blinded all of Christianity's followers into this erroneous belief - you being one of them, as you seem to accept what men have decided.
On the contrary. I'm not affiliated with any so-called "Christian" religion or denomination. I haven't been in a so-called "church" to worship since I was, maybe, 11-years old. Also, I began studying the Bible at the age of 14...as an opponent. The belief that the Bible is authentically the "Word of 'God'" is based on a personal decision after years of study and skepticism.
NASL wrote:
That isn't following "God", but instead it is a personal choice by yourself (and others) to follow what men have decided for you to believe.
So, perhaps you should become my spiritual leader so that you can guide me towards what, or who, I should and shouldn't believe, considering how spiritually superior you are than I.
NASL wrote:
And then claiming "God told me" - is nothing but arrogance and ego speaking,
This from the one calling themselves "New Age Spiritual Leader."
NASL wrote:
when in truth, "God" hasn't supposedly spoken to anyone in a few millenia, yet you claim "He" has.
I did explain my meaning, didn't I? I did.
NASL wrote:
This is just one example of how "Christians" would rather lie to themselves and others about false information.
Cheers.
My religion is Mashiyachiym. And you're a fine example of someone that, most likely, loses sleep over what others believe. And if you don't, then you're either, extremely bored, or just truly wasting time.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#34879 Apr 4, 2014
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Nor, do you have that it wasn't.
No I don't - that is why I ask you.

Since you don't and I don't, and therefore there is none such statements, all texts - biblical and non-biblical are suitable for use.

If you choose otherwise - then it is your choice to believe what other men tell you.

It is quite simple.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>On the contrary. I'm not affiliated with any so-called "Christian" religion or denomination. I haven't been in a so-called "church" to worship since I was, maybe, 11-years old. Also, I began studying the Bible at the age of 14...as an opponent. The belief that the Bible is authentically the "Word of 'God'" is based on a personal decision after years of study and skepticism.
Personal opinion?

Who are you to make these decisions about what "God" said?

Why do you limit "God"?
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>So, perhaps you should become my spiritual leader so that you can guide me towards what, or who, I should and shouldn't believe, considering how spiritually superior you are than I.
No. You don't need me to guide you.

Using what Jesus stated, and the other several similar characters in history, will be better suited for you.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>This from the one calling themselves "New Age Spiritual Leader."
I give credit to Edgar Cayce for the name.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>I did explain my meaning, didn't I? I did.
No you didn't. You said he spoke to you and then gave some personal accouont of it.

I don't believe you have ever spoken with "God".

You are not being truthful with me, if you say you have and nothing to show proof that you did.

Your words may ring "true" with so-called "Christians", but I am not that gullible.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>My religion is Mashiyachiym. And you're a fine example of someone that, most likely, loses sleep over what others believe. And if you don't, then you're either, extremely bored, or just truly wasting time.
How is it that you accept only some of Jesus' teachings then?
http://mashiyach.com/

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#34881 Apr 5, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
No I don't - that is why I ask you.
Since you don't and I don't, and therefore there is none such statements, all texts - biblical and non-biblical are suitable for use.
If you choose otherwise - then it is your choice to believe what other men tell you.
It is quite simple.
My belief is based on thorough and meticulous studies of the Bible, other religious texts, and philosophies. I've been studying, now, for about 30 years. And again, I began studying the Bible as an opponent.
NASL wrote:
Personal opinion?
I prefer "decision."
NASL wrote:
Who are you to make these decisions about what "God" said?
Why do you limit "God"?
I exalt "God" by believing that He possesses the authority and ability to have men pen His words for Him. According to what's written, the last time He wrote to us, personally, Moses broke them to pieces, but that's besides the point. I can't believe that He expects all men to live as one, but decided to give us beliefs that cause division. The fact that people are divided over the interpretation of the Bible is the fault of man and not "God's."
NASL wrote:
No. You don't need me to guide you.
Using what Jesus stated, and the other several similar characters in history, will be better suited for you.
I agree.
NASL wrote:
I give credit to Edgar Cayce for the name.
Mr. Cayce called you "New Age Spiritual Leader"?
NASL wrote:
No you didn't. You said he spoke to you and then gave some personal accouont of it.
I don't believe you have ever spoken with "God".
You are not being truthful with me, if you say you have and nothing to show proof that you did.
Your words may ring "true" with so-called "Christians", but I am not that gullible.
Specifically, I said "God" "told me." Not that I spoke with "God." It's my belief, though, that "God" speaks to me in certain ways. One way is by the Bible.
NASL wrote:
How is it that you accept only some of Jesus' teachings then?
http://mashiyach.com/
I accept all our anointed Savior's teachings. You made the mistake of searching out my religion on the internet and assumed I'm affiliated with the one you found. My religion cannot be found on the internet, or in any book - other than the Bible - for that matter. You'll notice that, between the two and as simple examples, I never refer to our anointed Savior as "Y'shua," or "Yeshua," nor do I refer to Father as "Yahweh," pronounced "YAH-way." I believe Father's name has three-syllables, pronounced "YAH-hoo-WAY," and I always pronounce our anointed Savior's name as "YAH-hoo-SHOO-wuh." In writing, they're "Yahoweh" and "Yahowshua," or "Yahowshua ha'Mashiyach."

NOTE: "Yahweh" is the erroneous combination of the tetragrammaton, "YHWH," and the vowel-sounds of "ha'Shem," which means "the Name."

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#34884 Apr 5, 2014
El Shagade-Ha Kavod wrote:
mister
you got not clue what HaShem means,
if you got not clue,
Please/stop use this High Univers Title on this thread full of abominable blasphemers,

you even doesn't write properly Y/U HVH or Yeho shu ah HaMashi yah

tthanks
I know now on what base you study 30 years those Scripture,
You revealed this by yourselves,
but for sure you don't study on the base of Gods Inspire Word Bible alone with only one help Gods Holy Spirit

look at your written above post,
your faith is not fith planted By Gods Spirit,
only faith based on metoculous personal study,world other religios satanic sects texts,philosophies
and till today to be feed like this past 30 years,
makes you adversary of true Gospel and True G-D,God Yehova
I'm an elastic substance that is obtained by coagulating the milky juice of any of various tropical plants and is essentially a polymer of isoprene, and prepared as sheets and then dried, and you're any of various strong adhesive substances, like a hard protein chiefly gelatinous substance that absorbs water to form a viscous solution with strong adhesive properties and that is obtained by cooking down collagenous materials.

Whatever you...

Ah, you know the rest.
sorry

Lady Lake, FL

#34885 Apr 5, 2014
But there is no god if there where a god war and all suffring wouldnt be no more so yea

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#34888 Apr 5, 2014
El Shagade-Ha Kavod wrote:
thank you,
I knew you are elastic but not only substance but also socks from 60 thies mix in babe powder mik with orange juice and pinneaple from Hawaii,mostly pinneaple is essene of plastic polymer and isorprene making brain hard like dry concrete substance covered by dry sheets of cartoons Made in China,and when they get wet,there release strong stink so called mustard gas(mostly used during Dessert Shield by Syrian forces and their Irag brother sadam hussein,
after breathing by clowns like your ,this type of wet subsatence release vicious solutions with stron adhesive(liquid nails used to glue sheetrock on the 2x4 paaper dipd in the solution of liquid palstic anf fumes flown from your poor hole on the back?
before realising by you this type of fumes,at first they are all substances disolved inside of your colon,'nostlycought in the hermetic bucket such liquid can create similarity to nuclear gases made in laboratores if Iran under close supervision of CIA agents full bellies on not digested mexican chilly,creating tha way dark clowds protection shield from local disaster of all insects flying around old s....... left over after release them by colons,
I guess you are part of such incredible 21 century experiments,making you assurence than you talk with God,
but in reallity you talk to your own substance similiarity of muriatic acid mix with mustard gas and stored in the nuclear devices of Syria laboratories
I hope rest you know,let me know last page of your Pee Pee book,
mister Poor Dziondzio
Supercalifragilisticexpialidoc ious!

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#34890 Apr 5, 2014
El Shagade-Ha Kavod wrote:
yea yea yea
your gun shots are without of powder,make only bank noice
you shoul know
I am Prince with close connection to france Napoleon 2 family his girl friend Marisienka and family Habsburg residing 200 years ago in Austria
on
Mariahilferstrassekoettenbruck eohnecaligraphic expert learned rubbish english durin 12 years
Attendance in Oxforduniversity tamizabridge corner fullof ruskich socks
if you lern basic of my dialog,
I am able to qualify you in the ranks of lucky sperm Society crowd of sophisticated most world smart idiots who turn around everyone according to their own selfish wishes??
so TRY?IF YOU CAN?
he heeeeeeeeee
for now and little while '
gutenacht little gelaufenkleineprosie potrawie
Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear.
Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair.
Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't fuzzy. Was he?

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
El Centro

United States

#34896 Apr 7, 2014
hmmm

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#34900 Apr 8, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
No I don't - that is why I ask you.
Since you don't and I don't, and therefore there is none such statements, all texts - biblical and non-biblical are suitable for use.
If you choose otherwise - then it is your choice to believe what other men tell you.
It is quite simple.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>My belief is based on thorough and meticulous studies of the Bible, other religious texts, and philosophies. I've been studying, now, for about 30 years. And again, I began studying the Bible as an opponent.
Odd thatyou say this - same with me. Huh?
We both must be right!
**********
NASL wrote:
Personal opinion?
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>I prefer "decision."
That is right - a personal decision to believe as you choose - free will.
No "God" involved.
**********
NASL wrote:
Who are you to make these decisions about what "God" said?
Why do you limit "God"?
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<
quoted text>I exalt "God" by believing that He possesses the authority and ability to have men pen His words for Him. According to what's written, the last time He wrote to us, personally, Moses broke them to pieces, but that's besides the point. I can't believe that He expects all men to live as one, but decided to give us beliefs that cause division. The fact that people are divided over the interpretation of the Bible is the fault of man and not "God's."
It doesn't sound like it. It actually sounds like you parrot other men's exhaltation and playing along with how the crowd moves.
"According to what's written" - this is what everyone says - and everyone exclaim to have the "truth" - yet you only utilize a portion of what Jesus taught. I think you are confused on who you think Jesus was, because of what other men told you to believe.
**********
NASL wrote:
No. You don't need me to guide you.
Using what Jesus stated, and the other several similar characters in history, will be better suited for you.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>I agree.
:o)
**********
<<continued>>

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#34901 Apr 8, 2014
<<continued>>

NASL wrote:
I give credit to Edgar Cayce for the name.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Mr. Cayce called you "New Age Spiritual Leader"?
Yes.
**********
NASL wrote:
No you didn't. You said he spoke to you and then gave some personal accouont of it.
I don't believe you have ever spoken with "God".
You are not being truthful with me, if you say you have and nothing to show proof that you did.
Your words may ring "true" with so-called "Christians", but I am not that gullible.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Specifically, I said "God" "told me." Not that I spoke with "God." It's my belief, though, that "God" speaks to me in certain ways. One way is by the Bible.
That's right - change it up - you will need to make sure you cover all the bases if you aren't going to tell the truth.
Honesty is the easier path to take.
**********
NASL wrote:
How is it that you accept only some of Jesus' teachings then?
http://mashiyach.com/
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>I accept all our anointed Savior's teachings. You made the mistake of searching out my religion on the internet and assumed I'm affiliated with the one you found. My religion cannot be found on the internet, or in any book - other than the Bible - for that matter. You'll notice that, between the two and as simple examples, I never refer to our anointed Savior as "Y'shua," or "Yeshua," nor do I refer to Father as "Yahweh," pronounced "YAH-way." I believe Father's name has three-syllables, pronounced "YAH-hoo-WAY," and I always pronounce our anointed Savior's name as "YAH-hoo-SHOO-wuh." In writing, they're "Yahoweh" and "Yahowshua," or "Yahowshua ha'Mashiyach."
NOTE: "Yahweh" is the erroneous combination of the tetragrammaton, "YHWH," and the vowel-sounds of "ha'Shem," which means "the Name."
"I accept all our anointed Savior's teachings."
- please list the texts that you accept and utilize. I'll let you know if you miss any.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#34907 Apr 10, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Odd thatyou say this - same with me. Huh?
We both must be right!
Even law enforcement agrees with criminals from time to time.
NASL wrote:
That is right - a personal decision to believe as you choose - free will.
No "God" involved.
Yet, I thank 'Elohiym anyway, for it was by Father's command, in the beginning, that we be given such faculties.
NASL wrote:
It doesn't sound like it. It actually sounds like you parrot other men's exhaltation and playing along with how the crowd moves.
"According to what's written" - this is what everyone says - and everyone exclaim to have the "truth" - yet you only utilize a portion of what Jesus taught. I think you are confused on who you think Jesus was, because of what other men told you to believe.
Again, I've spent almost 30-years, on my own, studying the Bible. I began my studies at age 14. I haven't been to any religious congregation to worship since I was 11.
NASL wrote:
Yes.
Interesting.
NASL wrote:
Of a surety, the original post remains. Without searching it out and as I recall, I said, specifically, "He told me."

[QUOTE who="NASL"]please list the texts that you accept and utilize. I'll let you know if you miss any.
It'll be easier to just say "Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21, Apocrypha and Enoch included.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#34908 Apr 10, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Odd thatyou say this - same with me. Huh?
We both must be right!
Even law enforcement agrees with criminals from time to time.
NASL wrote:
That is right - a personal decision to believe as you choose - free will.
No "God" involved.
Yet, I thank 'Elohiym anyway, for it was by Father's command, in the beginning, that we be given such faculties.
NASL wrote:
It doesn't sound like it. It actually sounds like you parrot other men's exhaltation and playing along with how the crowd moves.
"According to what's written" - this is what everyone says - and everyone exclaim to have the "truth" - yet you only utilize a portion of what Jesus taught. I think you are confused on who you think Jesus was, because of what other men told you to believe.
Again, I've spent almost 30-years, on my own, studying the Bible. I began my studies at age 14. I haven't been to any religious congregation to worship since I was 11.
NASL wrote:
Yes.
Interesting.
NASL wrote:
No you didn't. You said he spoke to you and then gave some personal accouont of it.
I don't believe you have ever spoken with "God".
You are not being truthful with me, if you say you have and nothing to show proof that you did.
Your words may ring "true" with so-called "Christians", but I am not that gullible.
Of a surety, the original post remains. Without even searching it out and as I recall, I said, specifically, "He told me."
NASL wrote:
please list the texts that you accept and utilize. I'll let you know if you miss any.
It'll be easier to just say "Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21, Apocrypha and Enoch included.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#34911 Apr 11, 2014
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>It'll be easier to just say "Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21, Apocrypha and Enoch included.
You forgot to include many of these:

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#34914 Apr 12, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
You forgot to include many of these:
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
No, I didn't. Had I meant to include them, I would have.

I visit a site with many more books than the one you provided, which includes many of the books you provided, too. Apparently, you need to adhere to the doctrines of these books in order to understand 'Elohiym. I, on the other hand, do not. The law and the testimonies, found in the texts of the old covenant, are all that's necessary...as I believe.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#34917 Apr 12, 2014
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>.....Does John ever say, in the gospel attributed to him, that he, himself, penned "John"?
<quoted text>Really? 150-years after? According to who? And what does the account of our anointed Savior with the woman caught in adultery have to do with anything?
Well, it's according to me, goofy. And, yes, 150 years after. Oh, it's also according to the two oldest surviving copies of the text attributed to John, which date to around the end of the second century.(Yes, there is the Ryland's Fragment that dates to about 125 AD. But it's merely the size of two or three postage stamps.) Those two earliest copies did not have that pericope. And Tertullian's copy around the same time apparently didn't have chapter 21, since he refers to the end of chapter 20 as the end of the text. And of course the nature of the two chapters indicates that both were intended to be the ending, the original and the added ending.

These *facts* demonstrate that the text falsely attributed to John was in truth written by multiple writers over about a century. A community of writers, not a single individual. And given the finely honed, well crafted primary text, such material does not come from a scribe jotting down an illiterate's musings and then translating them into another language.

Even if you want to believe the text is loosely based on such musings that became oral traditions and then were crafted into a masterful literary piece in another language at a much later date, as faithful critical scholars such as Raymond Brown do (or did in his case, since he's dead), you end up with questionable traditions that were highly embellished and then modified to craft a skillful narrative that was even later edited and appended.

John is not the work of *the* John. It is a work of a community over a long time that may or may not have identified with *the* John.

Sorry for your loss.

Again.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#34918 Apr 12, 2014
A word about Topix.

BLL responded to a post from me.

I replied a couple hours ago with two posts: One about Peter and one regarding John.

Neither was abusive or in appropriate, unless you consider calling someone goofy inappropriate.

One post, the first post,#34916, was deleted.

But worse than being deleted, for me it appears as if it is there, at least when I am logged in.

Only when I returned before re-logging in did I become aware that Topix had 1. suppressed my first post regarding Peter and 2. made it appear to me it was there when logged in.

That really stinks.

Here is an image of that post as it appears when I am logged in:

http://s1057.photobucket.com/user/Chess-Juris...

It can be enlarged and read just fine.

How do you spell sewer rats?

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#34919 Apr 12, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
A word about Topix.
BLL responded to a post from me.
I replied a couple hours ago with two posts: One about Peter and one regarding John.
Neither was abusive or in appropriate, unless you consider calling someone goofy inappropriate.
One post, the first post,#34916, was deleted.
But worse than being deleted, for me it appears as if it is there, at least when I am logged in.
Only when I returned before re-logging in did I become aware that Topix had 1. suppressed my first post regarding Peter and 2. made it appear to me it was there when logged in.
That really stinks.
Here is an image of that post as it appears when I am logged in:
http://s1057.photobucket.com/user/Chess-Juris...
It can be enlarged and read just fine.
How do you spell sewer rats?
For the record and even though I haven't responded to your last post yet, I didn't get offended by your calling me "goofy," nor did I find it inappropriate. Considering the myriad of terms you could have used had you intended on offending me, I immediately concluded that you used the term in jest.

It's amazing how some of these posts are rated and treated. The posts from the "Maryland" group are always among the most vile and insulting, yet they remain. And they truly believe that by replacing the actual expletive with a first letter and a series of periods makes it acceptable.

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