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USA Born

Claremont, CA

#34022 Nov 3, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Where did I ever call scripture a lie? So you think it was an act of justice to stone a woman to death for an alleged crime of adultery? Really? You think this has anything to do with the mind of God? Really? I don't disagree with God. I disagree with your notion of God so I am taking it up with you. I'm fine with God.
You call scrpture a lie every time you say some of it's true and some isn't. You write that alot.

Is it an act of justice to burn people at the stake or fry them in an electric chair? Should God have made them construct prisons over 5,000 years ago. Would that be punishment you could understand?

If you cannot understand God, why label people with evil things like condoning rape and so on. I believe you condone rape of children, murder and all things evil.

You ponder the mind of some god you create. Is your god ever fully created?

We obviously do not believe in the same God or Christ. To "God be true and every man a liar". That is the way I view God, the Messiah and all scripture.

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#34026 Nov 3, 2013
USA Born wrote:
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You call scrpture a lie every time you say some of it's true and some isn't. You write that alot.
Is it an act of justice to burn people at the stake or fry them in an electric chair? Should God have made them construct prisons over 5,000 years ago. Would that be punishment you could understand?
If you cannot understand God, why label people with evil things like condoning rape and so on. I believe you condone rape of children, murder and all things evil.
You ponder the mind of some god you create. Is your god ever fully created?
We obviously do not believe in the same God or Christ. To "God be true and every man a liar". That is the way I view God, the Messiah and all scripture.
False. I never ever called scripture a lie. You did.

When Jesus says pick up your cross, it is the same as saying pick up your electric chair correct?

You think you understand God? That's nice.

GREAT!!!

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#34027 Nov 3, 2013
Bible True Jehovah Laws wrote:
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you say,
"I am fine with God"?
did you ask God if God is fine with you and your twisted misunderstanding ancient moral customs, and ihnalation by God most wicked DNA of ancient humans not allowing to spread horrible crimes immorality to our modern world?
do you ever understand why God allow wars and death thos who born to the death,hate, and wiskedness,
death of abominable criminal masses mostly works for good for future generations and their fallen morality from the time of huamn existing on this earth,
what good in ancient time or today,
to sheed blood by knife and ax and fall on the earth to clean spots of this wicked soil,or today shot human,not shed blood on the earth,and leave dead bacteria human body on the battle field or local cementary?
sir?
you never understand ancient adultorues life of single man or women
adultery today is less abominable than in the antiquity world,
becaause punishment by death ancient criminals huren,adulters,haters,and criminals was to purify this earth soil,from future complete moral depravations and genocides of whole earth?
does God acted diferently before from today?
No?
But He Is God AND GOT FULL RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH HIS OWN
and human criminals sentenced to the death are fools seating on the death raw and insult or mock their EXECUTOR,INSTEAD BEGING HIM FOR MERCY PSALM 51;17.....tell us that This Universal Judge is not ruthless only Merciful and His Mercy Endureth Forever
MAYBE YOU GET MY SPIRITUAL THOUGHTS QUIDED BY HOLY SPIRIT ONLY.
Yes I did. God said everything is fine.

Did God inhale? Bill Clinton said he didn't.

No, I don't understand war. It seems to be a stupid male thing. I'm sure God is against it.

EeeeGadds, knife and ax.... Wow. that's some messy stuff bro.

Are you having fun pretending to be God?

GREAT!!!!
USA Born

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#34028 Nov 4, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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False. I never ever called scripture a lie. You did.
When Jesus says pick up your cross, it is the same as saying pick up your electric chair correct?
You think you understand God? That's nice.
GREAT!!!
Then enlighten me. What do you mean by saying some scripture is true and some is not?

Pick up youe electric chair means the same as pick up your cross? What does that even mean?

Scripture give us a tiny glimpse of God. He is not soem character in a book, He is the creator of all things, even this tiny speck in the universe we call earth.

Since: Aug 11

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#34029 Nov 4, 2013
USA Born wrote:
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Then enlighten me. What do you mean by saying some scripture is true and some is not?
Pick up youe electric chair means the same as pick up your cross? What does that even mean?
Scripture give us a tiny glimpse of God. He is not soem character in a book, He is the creator of all things, even this tiny speck in the universe we call earth.
I never said that. What is your question?

Pick up your cross means to choose a way that probably will lead to certain death. We think of it as a metaphor today but if one chose the cross in Biblical times, they probably would have been literally crucified. This is exactly what happened to both Peter and Paul.

God is a character in the Bible with more than one face. Do you really think a being capable of creation would be like that? Seriously.
USA Born

Claremont, CA

#34030 Nov 4, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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I never said that. What is your question?
Pick up your cross means to choose a way that probably will lead to certain death. We think of it as a metaphor today but if one chose the cross in Biblical times, they probably would have been literally crucified. This is exactly what happened to both Peter and Paul.
God is a character in the Bible with more than one face. Do you really think a being capable of creation would be like that? Seriously.
Here are a few recent posts of what you said.

Oct 31 Hell doesn't exist. It is mythology based upon volcanoes.

Oct 31 I posted, John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Your response , It's still an illusion. Just because it has consequences to our puny existence in the world, it cannot possibly have any impact on our eternal life because that has already been determined.

Nov 1 Not really. There is little factual stuff in the Bible

Nov 1 Much of what is written in the Bible is mythological. What I mean by myth is a story which imparts a universal truth but never actually happened

Either the Bible is fact or fiction. Fiction as you know is not true. So here again you are saying the scriptures are not true. Calling them a myth IMO, is calling the scriptures man made. If I believed that for a second, I wouldn't waste my time reading them.

I am not understanding your position at all, I'm trying. I don't see how you can say that "there is little factual stuff in the Bible, then say you didn't say that some of the scriptures are not true.

I don't mind discussing "pick up your cross" scripture. But what would be the point if it is just myth? Just don't get your position.

“Faith, Hope, & LOVE”

Since: Dec 08

One Nation Under God

#34032 Nov 4, 2013
Why did you guys run Gary off his own thread? There's enough of your kind of threads all over Topix. Prefer to pirate?

GARY, GARY, come back .... I'll Stand By You!!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#34034 Nov 4, 2013
USA Born wrote:
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Here are a few recent posts of what you said.
Oct 31 Hell doesn't exist. It is mythology based upon volcanoes.
Oct 31 I posted, John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Your response , It's still an illusion. Just because it has consequences to our puny existence in the world, it cannot possibly have any impact on our eternal life because that has already been determined.
Nov 1 Not really. There is little factual stuff in the Bible
Nov 1 Much of what is written in the Bible is mythological. What I mean by myth is a story which imparts a universal truth but never actually happened
Either the Bible is fact or fiction. Fiction as you know is not true. So here again you are saying the scriptures are not true. Calling them a myth IMO, is calling the scriptures man made. If I believed that for a second, I wouldn't waste my time reading them.
I am not understanding your position at all, I'm trying. I don't see how you can say that "there is little factual stuff in the Bible, then say you didn't say that some of the scriptures are not true.
I don't mind discussing "pick up your cross" scripture. But what would be the point if it is just myth? Just don't get your position.
I said the Bible is all true, some of the events actually happened.

Most of the Bible is not factual, nor is it a lie.
USA Born

Claremont, CA

#34035 Nov 5, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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I said the Bible is all true, some of the events actually happened.
Most of the Bible is not factual, nor is it a lie.
Do you mean then that some of the scriptures are left for us, flesh; to fill in the blanks?

When you used the rape and stoning scriptures written in the law, you didn't read the whole law. Your conclusions are based on your opinion. Had you taken the time to the law concerning men and women, especially the obligations men will have to their wives and children, you'd see your opinion does not reflect scripture.

The scriptures give us Jesus' geneology going all the way back to Adam. Jesus did not just pop out of the sky, live 33 years and die.

As far as "pick up your cross" here is what Jesus actually said.

Matthew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

The above scripture are the Words of Jesus. IMO, they are just saying to put everything aside and put Him first. Understand His teachings and believe Him.
God does care about our puny existance. God had and has a plan from the beginning to the end.

Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

Matthew 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.Luke 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.





“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#34036 Nov 5, 2013
Not Of This World Forever wrote:
Why did you guys run Gary off his own thread? There's enough of your kind of threads all over Topix. Prefer to pirate?
GARY, GARY, come back .... I'll Stand By You!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Us-TVg40ExMXX
"your kind"??

You sound biased and confused. I'm a human being. Are you something different?

Probably not, as there aren't many literate bears, orangutans, or chimpanzees that could articulate and know how to post links in these forums.

Your ignorance and arrogance are reasons why I decided to research Christianity and to speak out against its unfounded dogma and doctrine.

If Gary and Dave were ran off, that would be a feat in itself, when not one poster on Topix, has the ability to cause these folks to leave - only they can make that choice.

BTW - if you weren't paying attention - that would still be "Self".

So in essence, Gary and Dave show more with "lacking information" than they do to help others understand. Mainly because they refuse to understand and be completely honest with others or themselves.

More than likely, you are the same way, especially when you think others are "kinds" out here.

*sighs*

Move past the words and understand their meanings.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#34037 Nov 5, 2013
*spooky music begins*

Oh hi,'shrink'- you are right on cue!!

Since: Aug 11

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#34038 Nov 5, 2013
USA Born wrote:
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Do you mean then that some of the scriptures are left for us, flesh; to fill in the blanks?
When you used the rape and stoning scriptures written in the law, you didn't read the whole law. Your conclusions are based on your opinion. Had you taken the time to the law concerning men and women, especially the obligations men will have to their wives and children, you'd see your opinion does not reflect scripture.
The scriptures give us Jesus' geneology going all the way back to Adam. Jesus did not just pop out of the sky, live 33 years and die.
As far as "pick up your cross" here is what Jesus actually said.
Matthew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
The above scripture are the Words of Jesus. IMO, they are just saying to put everything aside and put Him first. Understand His teachings and believe Him.
God does care about our puny existance. God had and has a plan from the beginning to the end.
Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
Matthew 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.Luke 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
We all bring our beliefs and prejudices to the table.

Scripture contradicts itself on these matters. It remains a paternal system from the Bronze Age.

The genealogy is also myth. Man has been around for at least 100,000 years.

If we take that passage literally, it means certain death by Crucifixion to follow Christ. This is what happened to many in those times. It is perfectly true and correct.

“Faith, Hope, & LOVE”

Since: Dec 08

One Nation Under God

#34040 Nov 5, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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"your kind"??
You sound biased and confused. I'm a human being. Are you something different?
Probably not, as there aren't many literate bears, orangutans, or chimpanzees that could articulate and know how to post links in these forums.
Your ignorance and arrogance are reasons why I decided to research Christianity and to speak out against its unfounded dogma and doctrine.
If Gary and Dave were ran off, that would be a feat in itself, when not one poster on Topix, has the ability to cause these folks to leave - only they can make that choice.
BTW - if you weren't paying attention - that would still be "Self".
So in essence, Gary and Dave show more with "lacking information" than they do to help others understand. Mainly because they refuse to understand and be completely honest with others or themselves.
More than likely, you are the same way, especially when you think others are "kinds" out here.
*sighs*
Move past the words and understand their meanings.
How enlightening. LOL!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#34041 Nov 5, 2013
Not Of This World Forever wrote:
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How enlightening. LOL!
Good that you see it this way, it was intended to be such.
USA Born

Claremont, CA

#34044 Nov 5, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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We all bring our beliefs and prejudices to the table.
Scripture contradicts itself on these matters. It remains a paternal system from the Bronze Age.
The genealogy is also myth. Man has been around for at least 100,000 years.
If we take that passage literally, it means certain death by Crucifixion to follow Christ. This is what happened to many in those times. It is perfectly true and correct.
Show one contradiction. People say that but can never back it up.

The scripture does not mean certain death by crucifiction if you follow Christ. The other disciples/apostles were not crucified. Using your logic that would mean they did not follow Christ.

Acts 13:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
USA Born

Claremont, CA

#34045 Nov 5, 2013
Here is IMO, one of the most informative sites concerning archeologic finds in the Middle East.

http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/news...

Since: Aug 11

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#34046 Nov 5, 2013
USA Born wrote:
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Show one contradiction. People say that but can never back it up.
The scripture does not mean certain death by crucifiction if you follow Christ. The other disciples/apostles were not crucified. Using your logic that would mean they did not follow Christ.
Acts 13:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
Vengeful God vs. Loving God for starters bro.

Since: Aug 11

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#34047 Nov 5, 2013
USA Born wrote:
Here is IMO, one of the most informative sites concerning archeologic finds in the Middle East.
http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/news...
If you like self-serving nonsense it might be.

Since: Aug 11

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#34048 Nov 5, 2013
Here are a few contradictions in the Gospels.
Gospel Contradictions:
1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.
2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said,'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t Paul guilty of deception?
3) When did the leper become not a leper?(Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house.(Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.
4) Who approached Jesus?(Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant.(Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.
5) Was she dead or just dying?(Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead.(Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.
6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take?(Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals.(Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.
7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah?(Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah.(Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah.(John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.
8) Who made the request?(Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.(Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee’s children, requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.
9) What animals were brought to Jesus?(Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an ass and a colt from the village of Bethphage.(Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.
10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom?(Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple.(Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.
11) When did the fig tree keel?(Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered immediately. and the disciples registered surprise then and there.(Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.
12) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias which was to come." Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he said I am not." John l:21
13) Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli. Christians shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the other Joseph. This is utter bullshit, the Hebrew and Greek cultures NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother. They were patriarchal societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.
14) How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen generations.
15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.
16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.
17) John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. Mark 1:14 John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. John 1:43 & 3:22-24
18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew 15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."
USA Born

Claremont, CA

#34049 Nov 5, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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If you like self-serving nonsense it might be.
It is you is self serving with nonsense. There is no room for truth in your mythilogicl world is there?

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