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#33092 Aug 17, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
Gary
for many years of my life 33 years
I was Jehova Witness misionary with same beliefs like yours or simmilar to FR
our dissagreement lead me to step down from this organization,leaving me with complete mistrust,but vast experience to give a true analize of man and churches doctrines
I know after short observation who they are,and tell the truth from now on.
I never had earthly hope teach by JW to others,
they always reject against Grace of God,my heavenly awaken at 1976 EPH 1;2-12
I know not man not preacher or church have right to interfere inside of our hearts who are we at all,only GOD AND HEART OF HUMAN KNOWS WHO WE ARE,ROM 8;16-17
but today my opinion mostly is without of mistake,sometimes in error,but after little while I know who is who?
I RESPECT YOUR BELIEFS,THEY ARE COMPLETLY SIMILAR TO MY, ONLY I PERSONALY DON'T BELIEVE TRINITY, OR JESUS IS YAHVEH GOD OF OT,or chrsitmas,birthdays. blood transfusions,or cross(roman symbol of god Tammuz and Jesus was not killed on this cross)
but those personal rejection is between God and us,
God knows this,and correct us or not,
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THINGS OF EARTHLY MEANS,GOD WILL PURIFY US PROPERLY,AND GIVE RIGHT PLACE IN HIS HOLY TABERNACLE TEMPLE OF GOD?
maybe God Almighty needs me such I am and what I am doing???
God always bless you my friend,
you are the only one who I do like your biblical posts, and treat as spiritual friend and brother in Christ
Yea, I agree with many points you have just made.

This is brilliant.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THINGS OF EARTHLY MEANS,GOD WILL PURIFY US PROPERLY,AND GIVE RIGHT PLACE IN HIS HOLY TABERNACLE TEMPLE OF GOD?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#33093 Aug 17, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi Saban:
I am truly sorry but your not seeing what I am saying I answered these questions many times before but you do not like MY ANSWER SO YOU REPEAT THE SAME QUESTIONS.
YES, WE MUST BE BAPTIZED [WASHED] BY THE LORD JESUS THIS IS A SOUND FACT. HOWEVER, IT IS THE LORD THAT MUST DO AL THE WASHING TO MAKE ONE CLEAN.
Saban, I shared with you example after example here God gives us word pictures to show us what He means and in how He saves, these are shadows or pictures of salvation, the woman at the well, Jesus had to give her living water. Jesus had to wash [baptize] Peter's feet, was Peter dunked? Now it does not matter to me the mode so much as the spiritual picture God is giving us the mode in how when is water baptized does not save him this is why I said look at Simon he was water baptized and he thought he could by salvation or by the Holy Spirit. Does this sound like a saved person? Jesus tells us we are washed by the washing [baptize] of the word. Saban, whenever you look at the word baptize your looking at literal water all the time here.
Jesus gave us a wonderful [historical parable] here in the raising of Lazuras the whole topic is about how God saves. Lazuras is dead literally as we are all born dead spiritually, God had to call Lazuras from the dead to make him alive or quicken him, Eph. 2:1, Lazuras could not come alive by himself could he? Likewise, there is nothing we can do to come alive spiritually God has to do all the work so we can believe on Him, John 6:29. God had to call Lazuras and He had to qualify him to come to Him, For Jesus said, No man can come to me unless the Father which sent me draws him. God does all the work of salvation thus He alone gets all the glory. We are all like Lazuras, God has to call us and He has to make us alive in Him, Ezek. 36:25-30, these verses are just so clear that God must put a new spirit within us, this is why a child even must be born again because they were just born of the flesh they need to be born of the spirit like all the rest of us, God can save a baby just as easy as Him saving a man just before he dies as the thief on the cross. You see all this gives God all the glory none of it comes from me no way! Thank you. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15
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I only asked three to four questions in the post this reply of yours was addressing. Your post answers NONE of those questions!

And you're now saying Jesus baptized Peter's feet effectively adding your doctrine to the Word once again. Shameful.

Here's those questions that there post avoids:

Paul was told “Now GET UP and GO into the city, and you will be told what you MUST DO.”
Was Paul’s a “works gospel”?
You used the term again… water-dunked. Did Jesus Water-dunk? Was Jesus “water dunked”?
You are avoiding my question about those “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus”(Acts 8). Since this baptism is obviously not Holy Spirit Baptism and it is obviously not Moses baptism or John’s baptism we need you to explain what is involved in THIS baptism. And, if it was replaced by the ONE baptism Paul instructs us about in Ephesians, why did it go the way of the dinosaur?
This is a VERY important topic and you are obviously avoiding it. You can answer them now or you can show everyone on this thread the fraud you are by skipping over them, proving you don't have an answer for them because YOUR CHURCH WON'T TELL YOU.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#33094 Aug 18, 2013
Hi New:

Paul did not say those words in the Bible what he wanted to say no way! God's word is very clear when it states:

"Holy men of God spoke as God the Holy Spirit moved them"

GOD TOLD US HOW TO WRITE IT IN THE BOOK ALL THE WORDS HE WILL HAVE IN THE BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE READ JER. 36:1-3

GOD ALSO TELLS US THAT all SCRIPTURE IS GOD BREATHED,,,," 2 TIM. 3:16.

NEW, I HAVE TOLD YOU THESE THINGS BEFORE BUT YOU WOULD NOT LISTEN TO THEM.

New, I cannot make you see this truth God has to, all that I can do is share what God says in His word that's it! You do not have to believe this or not, I am just quoting from the word of God when it declares ALL scripture is God breathed I believe it.

New, could you show me from the Bible alone where this is not God's word or just some of it is? Chapter and verse please. Thank you. Gary 1 John 3:13-15
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"Paul" is not "God", so please do not state what "Paul" says as
"God says".
You look foolish for doing so.
"What does your post have to do with you showing me that you have been saved?"
Please post support and evidence that you have been saved.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#33095 Aug 18, 2013
Hi Dr:

This statement you made is very true sad to say, "They []MANY OF THE CHURCHES] ALWAYS REJECT THE GRACE OF GOD]

Yes, many have some kind of works gospel be it accepting Jesus, making an alter call, saying the sinners prayer, going to church, getting dunked or sprinkled in some water believing water baptism saves one, and on and on the list goes nobody knows how long this list is,

Dr. it is all the pride of man who looks to save himself making void the pure grace of God not of works least any man should boast, Eph. 2:8-9. Many want to boast in what they have done making void the finished work of the cross when Jesus said it is finished, there is nothing that one can take away from or add to what is finished. Many, however want to add to what was already finished sad to say. Thank you. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
Gary
for many years of my life 33 years
I was Jehova Witness misionary with same beliefs like yours or simmilar to FR
our dissagreement lead me to step down from this organization,leaving me with complete mistrust,but vast experience to give a true analize of man and churches doctrines
I know after short observation who they are,and tell the truth from now on.
I never had earthly hope teach by JW to others,
they always reject against Grace of God,my heavenly awaken at 1976 EPH 1;2-12
I know not man not preacher or church have right to interfere inside of our hearts who are we at all,only GOD AND HEART OF HUMAN KNOWS WHO WE ARE,ROM 8;16-17
but today my opinion mostly is without of mistake,sometimes in error,but after little while I know who is who?
I RESPECT YOUR BELIEFS,THEY ARE COMPLETLY SIMILAR TO MY, ONLY I PERSONALY DON'T BELIEVE TRINITY, OR JESUS IS YAHVEH GOD OF OT,or chrsitmas,birthdays. blood transfusions,or cross(roman symbol of god Tammuz and Jesus was not killed on this cross)
but those personal rejection is between God and us,
God knows this,and correct us or not,
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THINGS OF EARTHLY MEANS,GOD WILL PURIFY US PROPERLY,AND GIVE RIGHT PLACE IN HIS HOLY TABERNACLE TEMPLE OF GOD?
maybe God Almighty needs me such I am and what I am doing???
God always bless you my friend,
you are the only one who I do like your biblical posts, and treat as spiritual friend and brother in Christ
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#33096 Aug 18, 2013
Hi saban:

I am sorry but I have closed this subject four or five pages ago because this issue with you Saban you just do not see this right now.

I have already shown you from the Greek rendering baptize means [to wash]911 you do not want to believe this because maybe you want to be dunked I don't know. I do know Jesus told Peter if He does NOT WASH him he will not be one bit clean.

The only mode I have seen in the Bible is the word wash, sprinkle, and water. I asked you to show me the word [immersion]in our Bible we do not see it Saban, I know and understand this pains you but you will not see this there. Your majoring on a minor here because you believe the mode saves you. I asked you if one gets sprinkled will that do? No answer, to bad for the man who is dying on his death bed he cannot get up TO DO THIS WORK of going down to the church and getting dunked into a pool of water so it looks like it is to late for this dear soul the thief
on the cross had a better change than him and he could not move at all and yet he was washed by the Lord by the washing of water by the word, Eph. 5:26. Saban, you strain at a net to swallow a camel sad to say here. I asked you to do some word studies but it looks like you never did because your church does not believe this that is, we are all born into sin and only God can do all the saving. Thank you and can we take our next subject please. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15

Sad, so sad you do not see these wonderful truth's as many do
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
I only asked three to four questions in the post this reply of yours was addressing. Your post answers NONE of those questions!
And you're now saying Jesus baptized Peter's feet effectively adding your doctrine to the Word once again. Shameful.
Here's those questions that there post avoids:
Paul was told “Now GET UP and GO into the city, and you will be told what you MUST DO.”
Was Paul’s a “works gospel”?
You used the term again… water-dunked. Did Jesus Water-dunk? Was Jesus “water dunked”?
You are avoiding my question about those “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus”(Acts 8). Since this baptism is obviously not Holy Spirit Baptism and it is obviously not Moses baptism or John’s baptism we need you to explain what is involved in THIS baptism. And, if it was replaced by the ONE baptism Paul instructs us about in Ephesians, why did it go the way of the dinosaur?
This is a VERY important topic and you are obviously avoiding it. You can answer them now or you can show everyone on this thread the fraud you are by skipping over them, proving you don't have an answer for them because YOUR CHURCH WON'T TELL YOU.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#33097 Aug 18, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
Gary
for many years of my life 33 years
I was Jehova Witness misionary with same beliefs like yours or simmilar to FR
our dissagreement lead me to step down from this organization,leaving me with complete mistrust,but vast experience to give a true analize of man and churches doctrines
I know after short observation who they are,and tell the truth from now on.
I never had earthly hope teach by JW to others,
they always reject against Grace of God,my heavenly awaken at 1976 EPH 1;2-12
I know not man not preacher or church have right to interfere inside of our hearts who are we at all,only GOD AND HEART OF HUMAN KNOWS WHO WE ARE,ROM 8;16-17
but today my opinion mostly is without of mistake,sometimes in error,but after little while I know who is who?
I RESPECT YOUR BELIEFS,THEY ARE COMPLETLY SIMILAR TO MY, ONLY I PERSONALY DON'T BELIEVE TRINITY, OR JESUS IS YAHVEH GOD OF OT,or chrsitmas,birthdays. blood transfusions,or cross(roman symbol of god Tammuz and Jesus was not killed on this cross)
but those personal rejection is between God and us,
God knows this,and correct us or not,
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THINGS OF EARTHLY MEANS,GOD WILL PURIFY US PROPERLY,AND GIVE RIGHT PLACE IN HIS HOLY TABERNACLE TEMPLE OF GOD?
maybe God Almighty needs me such I am and what I am doing???
God always bless you my friend,
you are the only one who I do like your biblical posts, and treat as spiritual friend and brother in Christ
Doc,

I was very happy to read that you do not believe in the Trinity and also do not believe that Jesus is God.

Thanks for clarifying that.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#33098 Aug 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
a. The Bible was written many decades/centuries after Jesus died.

b. Jesus never wrote anything down, so >>his approval<< is not available.
True that!
Saban fan

Tucker, GA

#33099 Aug 18, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi saban:
I am sorry but I have closed this subject four or five pages ago because this issue with you Saban you just do not see this right now.
The only mode I have seen in the Bible is the word wash, sprinkle, and water. I asked you to show me the word [immersion]in our Bible we do not see it Saban, I know and understand this (removed) the thief
on the cross had a better change than him and he could not move at all and yet he was washed by the Lord by the washing of water by the word, Eph. 5:26. Saban, you strain at a net to swallow a camel sad to say here. I asked you to do some word studies but it looks like you never did because your church does not believe this that is, we are all born into sin and only God can do all the saving. Thank you and can we take our next subject please. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15
Sad, so sad you do not see these wonderful truth's as many do
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Round 3:
I only asked three to four questions in the post this reply of yours was addressing. Your post answers NONE of those questions!
And you're now saying Jesus baptized Peter's feet effectively adding your doctrine to the Word once again. Shameful.
Here's those questions that there post avoids:
Paul was told “Now GET UP and GO into the city, and you will be told what you MUST DO.”
Was Paul’s a “works gospel”?
You used the term again… water-dunked. Did Jesus Water-dunk? Was Jesus “water dunked”?
You are avoiding my question about those “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus”(Acts 8). Since this baptism is obviously not Holy Spirit Baptism and it is obviously not Moses baptism or John’s baptism we need you to explain what is involved in THIS baptism. And, if it was replaced by the ONE baptism Paul instructs us about in Ephesians, why did it go the way of the dinosaur?
This is a VERY important topic and you are obviously avoiding it. You can answer them now or you can show everyone on this thread the fraud you are by skipping over them, proving you don't have an answer for them because YOUR CHURCH WON'T TELL YOU.
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You failed yet again to answer those questions and your wrong about the Greek definition:
bap-tid'-zo
Definition
to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
to overwhelm
Not to be confused with 911, bapto. The clearest example that showsthe meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physicianNicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making picklesand is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that inorder to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped'(bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised'(baptizo) in thevinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in asolution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act ofbaptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change. When used in the New Testament, this word more often refers to ourunion and identification with Christ than to our water baptism. e.g.Mark 16:16.'He that believes and is baptised shall be saved'.Christ is saying that mere intellectual assent is not enough. Theremust be a union with him, a real change, like the vegetable to thepickle! Bible Study Magazine, James Montgomery Boice, May 1989.
You think this is why the Eunuch wanted to be baptized when he saw much water?
Dr shrink

Baltimore, MD

#33100 Aug 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Doc,
I was very happy to read that you do not believe in the Trinity and also do not believe that Jesus is God.
Thanks for clarifying that.
you didn't read my earlier posts?
and maybe doesn't understand my jokes
I never am and adversary of any posters,
I use my not harmful language based on my experience meet in past all kind of people from other countries and languages,
going from door to door as misionary person learn incredible vast experience from psychology,words,and Bible argues without of end,
everywhere how big and great is this globe???

I BELIEVE ONLY WHAT BIBLE SAYS IN ORIGINAL THE TANAKH OT AND NT koine greek

many english transaltions or churches are not my concern,I never was any follower of FR Camping stolen chronology from Europa disign at 1974 in Europa not by Camping-so called over 13000 existency of human life on this earth,and 7000 years after flood of Noah,
ONLY CAMPING LIED,BECAUSE BIBLE NOWHERE SHOWS END OF THIS WORLD BASED ON NOAH FLOOD AND 7000 ANIVERSARY AT 2011, NOT 21 MAY AT ALL?
anyway thanks for your post

have nice evening
Dr shrink

Baltimore, MD

#33101 Aug 18, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Round 3:
I only asked three to four questions in the post this reply of yours was addressing. Your post answers NONE of those questions!
And you're now saying Jesus baptized Peter's feet effectively adding your doctrine to the Word once again. Shameful.
Here's those questions that there post avoids:
Paul was told “Now GET UP and GO into the city, and you will be told what you MUST DO.”
Was Paul’s a “works gospel”?
You used the term again… water-dunked. Did Jesus Water-dunk? Was Jesus “water dunked”?
You are avoiding my question about those “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus”(Acts 8). Since this baptism is obviously not Holy Spirit Baptism and it is obviously not Moses baptism or John’s baptism we need you to explain what is involved in THIS baptism. And, if it was replaced by the ONE baptism Paul instructs us about in Ephesians, why did it go the way of the dinosaur?
This is a VERY important topic and you are obviously avoiding it. You can answer them now or you can show everyone on this thread the fraud you are by skipping over them, proving you don't have an answer for them because YOUR CHURCH WON'T TELL YOU.
----------
You failed yet again to answer those questions and your wrong about the Greek definition:
bap-tid'-zo
Definition
to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
to overwhelm
Not to be confused with 911, bapto. The clearest example that showsthe meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physicianNicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making picklesand is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that inorder to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped'(bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised'(baptizo) in thevinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in asolution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act ofbaptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change. When used in the New Testament, this word more often refers to ourunion and identification with Christ than to our water baptism. e.g.Mark 16:16.'He that believes and is baptised shall be saved'.Christ is saying that mere intellectual assent is not enough. Theremust be a union with him, a real change, like the vegetable to thepickle! Bible Study Magazine, James Montgomery Boice, May 1989.
You think this is why the Eunuch wanted to be baptized when he saw much water?
SIR
START study deep John 3;3-8...about conversation Jesus with Nikodem,and two birthdays phisical and spiritual,
in this case Jesus used Spiritual birth and spiritual baptism by water of heaven Holy Spirit, not by phisical birth and water phisical immersion

read and study greek meanings of 2 types of immersion -baptisms?
take as base John 3;3-8

if you ignore this, with me it is OK?

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN BLINDENSS AND NOT ABLE TO BE BORN AGAIN AND BE BAPIST BY SPIRITUAL BAPTISM FROM DIRECT POWER OF HOLY SPIRIT
USA Born

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#33102 Aug 18, 2013
To believe Gary and most of the current posters, we would have to believe that the only true living God is unable to preserve His Word. Absurd!
You have to also believe that the Messiah was not able to preserve His Church.
We would have to believe that the Apostles and others who began the spread of the Gospel to the world, had it wrong.
All of you think you have the real truth. You pick the scriptures apart until they fit your gospel.
There is only one God and one Christ. The Bible is the Living Word.
God in the O.T. is the God of the N.T. He is the same today, yesterday and forever.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#33103 Aug 19, 2013
USA Born wrote:
To believe Gary and most of the current posters, we would have to believe that the only true living God is unable to preserve His Word. Absurd!
You have to also believe that the Messiah was not able to preserve His Church.
We would have to believe that the Apostles and others who began the spread of the Gospel to the world, had it wrong.
All of you think you have the real truth. You pick the scriptures apart until they fit your gospel.
There is only one God and one Christ. The Bible is the Living Word.
God in the O.T. is the God of the N.T. He is the same today, yesterday and forever.
I agree with you. There is no contradiction in the scriptures either. When they are thought to be found, its just pointing us to flaws in our understanding and the need for more study. The verses Gary uses over and over to try and prove his points do not contradict the scriptures and doctrine I've presented. Yet, several things I've presented absolutely contradicts the doctrine he's developed. This is why he has no straight answer for the questions currently on the floor that he's avoiding. He conveniently says the subject is closed now and asks for additional questions instead... One's he can answer.:)

If he were an honest individual he would recognize the flaws in his doctrine based on these questions and he'd modify it to the truth rather than guard his doctrine from truth. Gary's doctrine is firmly planted in Ego. It was before his two predictions of the end of the world (completely ignoring scripture that instructs otherwise) and it is now (as he completely ignores scripture that instructs the opposite of his teachings).

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#33104 Aug 19, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi New:
Paul did not say those words in the Bible what he wanted to say no way! God's word is very clear when it states:
"Holy men of God spoke as God the Holy Spirit moved them"
GOD TOLD US HOW TO WRITE IT IN THE BOOK ALL THE WORDS HE WILL HAVE IN THE BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE READ JER. 36:1-3
GOD ALSO TELLS US THAT all SCRIPTURE IS GOD BREATHED,,,," 2 TIM. 3:16.
NEW, I HAVE TOLD YOU THESE THINGS BEFORE BUT YOU WOULD NOT LISTEN TO THEM.
New, I cannot make you see this truth God has to, all that I can do is share what God says in His word that's it! You do not have to believe this or not, I am just quoting from the word of God when it declares ALL scripture is God breathed I believe it.
New, could you show me from the Bible alone where this is not God's word or just some of it is? Chapter and verse please. Thank you. Gary 1 John 3:13-15
<quoted text>
You are not bringing any truth, but trying to deceive me with false proclamations from men.

Shoot - for one to say they believe in Jesus, yet actaully post teachings by Jesus, I find you are not anything you have said.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#33105 Aug 19, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
"Paul" is not "God", so please do not state what "Paul" says as
"God says".
You look foolish for doing so.
"What does your post have to do with you showing me that you have been saved?"
Please post support and evidence that you have been saved.
Gary wrote:
Hi New:
New, could you show me from the Bible alone where this is not God's word or just some of it is? Chapter and verse please. Thank you. Gary 1 John 3:13-15
<quoted text>
Why are you asking me to post where "God" said that what you write is "God's word", but when I've asked you numerous times to post this detail, you refuse.

This is the double-talk that most "Christians" try to get away with, all the while using it to manipulate would-be followers.

Maybe you can answer one question I've posed to you?

My post above has one that you seem to avoid:

"What does your post have to do with you showing me that you have been saved?"
Please post support and evidence that you have been saved.

Misleading anyone to such a false doctrine is not very beneficial in "God's" eyes.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#33106 Aug 19, 2013
Again....
Questions Gary is AVOIDING.
He says the subject is closed....

If he can point me to the post number where he answered these questions I'll back off. Until then, he has some splainin' to do:

1. Paul was told “Now GET UP and GO into the city, and you will be told what you MUST DO.”
Was Paul’s a “works gospel”?

2. You used the term again… water-dunked. Did Jesus Water-dunk? Was Jesus “water dunked”?

3. You continue to avoid my question about those “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus”(Acts 8). Since this baptism is obviously not Holy Spirit Baptism and it is obviously not Moses baptism or John’s baptism we need you to explain what is involved in THIS baptism. And, if it was replaced by the ONE baptism Paul instructs us about in Ephesians, why did it go the way of the dinosaur?

Again, this is a VERY important topic and you are obviously avoiding it by saying the subject is closed. You can answer them now or you can skip them for at least the 4th time, demonstrating to everyone on this thread the fraud you are, proving you don't have an answer for them because YOUR CHURCH WON'T TELL YOU.

You're trapped in your false teachings, Gary.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#33107 Aug 19, 2013
Hi Saban:

I am sorry your out! This is no round 3, 4, 5, 6, I already have said this subject is closed period! I have answered all your questions but the fact is, you have not answered most of mine. Now, I believe we spent more than enough of time on this subject and understand this is important to you Saban, because this is how you believe you became saved.

I have asked you where do we see [immersion] in the Bible? I can see the word [sprinkle][dip] in the Bible but that is it! Now I know your hung up on the mode of water baptism that one must not get dipped, sprinkle, we covered all those three verses on [dip] in the Bible and it has nothing to do with water baptism at all. Now you believe one should go under the water I call it dunked you call it dipped or immersed or whatever. Your straining at a net here to swallow the camel sad to say the poor guy in his death bed could not get saved because he cannot get out of bed and get dunked, dipped or immersed to bad for that POOR MAN BECAUSE the thief on the cross who could not move at all was able to be washed by the blood of the Lamb.

Saban, it is truly sad what you do not see for your church put blinders on you and God speaks about these blind leaders of the blind please read, Matthew2 23, maybe this will help you if God will grant you repentance to the acknowledging of the truth, 2 Tim. 2:25-26, if not you will be taken captive again by Satan at his will sorry to say. water dunking just will not wash away sins Saban, it just will not wash. We need the living water that only Christ can give, John 4, I am sorry this subject is not about how one should pickle vegetables or whatever, do you know how silly this sounds? Where do we read this in the Bible?

Question, was Peter saved when Christ washed him or was Peter saved when he was water baptized by sprinkling or dipping, or dunking whatever mode you chose. Thank you and may we take our next subject please. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15.
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Round 3:
I only asked three to four questions in the post this reply of yours was addressing. Your post answers NONE of those questions!
And you're now saying Jesus baptized Peter's feet Was Paul’s a “works gospel”?
You used the term again… water-dunked. Did Jesus Water-dunk? Was Jesus “water dunked”?
You are avoiding my question about those “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus”(Acts 8). Since this baptism is obviously not Holy Spirit Baptism and it is obviously not Moses baptism or John’s baptism we need you to explain what is involved in THIS baptism. And, if it was replaced by the ONE baptism Paul instructs us about in Ephesians, why did it go the way of the dinosaur?
This is a VERY important topic and you are obviously avoiding it. You can answer them now or you can show everyone on this thread the fraud you are by skipping over them, proving you don't have an answer for them because YOUR CHURCH WON'T TELL YOU.
----------
You failed yet again to answer those questions and your wrong about the Greek definition:
bap-tid'-zo
Definition
to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
It is a recipe for making picklesand is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that inorder to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped'(bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised'(baptizo) He that believes and is baptised shall be saved'.Christ is saying that mere intellectual assent is not enough. Theremust be a union with him, a real change, like the vegetable to thepickle! Bible Study Magazine, James Montgomery Boice, May 1989.
You think this is why the Eunuch wanted to be baptized when he saw much water?
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#33108 Aug 19, 2013
Hi Saban:

Now enough is enough here do you know how you come across here Saban? Like a little child here that cannot get his own way sad, just so sad.

Saban, your so hung up on the mode of water baptism you keep asking me where is this word [dunk] in the Bible? I will ask you where is the word [immersed] in the Bible?

So Saban, it looks like you have to get baptized again by sprinkling that word is in the Bible many times read, Ezek. 36:25-30, maybe this will help. Here it states very plainly that God must [sprinkle] us with clean water Saban, maybe you missed this one, so you have the wrong water mode sorry to say.

All this is just silly talk because your majoring on a very minor thing here. The fact is, God must sprinkle us with clean water as Jesus washed Peter's feet to make him clean of his sins fact! You may not like this fact but it is in the Bible like it or not sorry to say Saban your church has hood winked you into a works gospel another fact, tell that to the poor guy that cannot get out of bed to get dunked into some literal water to save the poor guy. The thief had a better chance on the cross the poor guy could not even move for he was nailed on the cross yet the Lord washed him as He washed Peter same salvation. You just do not see this fact sad to say because your all hung up on the mode of how much water you need to get saved, dipping will not due, sprinkling will not due even though it is in the word, no, you want to get dunked into the water or immersed same meaning none of those words are even in the Bible yet your hung up on one of them sad just so, so, sad. Thank you. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15.
Saban fan wrote:
Again....
Questions Gary is AVOIDING.
He says the subject is closed....
If he can point me to the post number where he answered these questions I'll back off. Until then, he has some splainin' to do:
1. Paul was told “Now GET UP and GO into the city, and you will be told what you MUST DO.”
Was Paul’s a “works gospel”?
2. You used the term again… water-dunked. Did Jesus Water-dunk? Was Jesus “water dunked”?
3. You continue to avoid my question about those “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus”(Acts 8). Since this baptism is obviously not Holy Spirit Baptism and it is obviously not Moses baptism or John’s baptism we need you to explain what is involved in THIS baptism. And, if it was replaced by the ONE baptism Paul instructs us about in Ephesians, why did it go the way of the dinosaur?
Again, this is a VERY important topic and you are obviously avoiding it by saying the subject is closed. You can answer them now or you can skip them for at least the 4th time, demonstrating to everyone on this thread the fraud you are, proving you don't have an answer for them because YOUR CHURCH WON'T TELL YOU.
You're trapped in your false teachings, Gary.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#33109 Aug 19, 2013
Hi New:

I need chapter and verse from you New, I have asked you this before maybe you missed it? Thank you. Gary.
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
"Paul" is not "God", so please do not state what "Paul" says as
"God says".
You look foolish for doing so.
"What does your post have to do with you showing me that you have been saved?"
Please post support and evidence that you have been saved.
<quoted text>
Why are you asking me to post where "God" said that what you write is "God's word", but when I've asked you numerous times to post this detail, you refuse.
This is the double-talk that most "Christians" try to get away with, all the while using it to manipulate would-be followers.
Maybe you can answer one question I've posed to you?
My post above has one that you seem to avoid:
"What does your post have to do with you showing me that you have been saved?"
Please post support and evidence that you have been saved.
Misleading anyone to such a false doctrine is not very beneficial in "God's" eyes.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#33110 Aug 19, 2013
Gary wrote:
The thief had a better chance on the cross the poor guy could not even move for he was nailed on the cross yet the Lord washed him as He washed Peter same salvation. <quoted text>
I understand.

You will take out of context the word baptism, to mean "any type of washing" - even if it is spittal coming from Jesus' mouth while he spoke to the thief.

Like the thief, no water baptism is required to be saved.

Live with it.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#33111 Aug 19, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi New:
I need chapter and verse from you New, I have asked you this before maybe you missed it? Thank you. Gary.
<quoted text>
You will need a book, chapter and verse to show me that you were saved.

Of course you do, because you don't understand what being "saved" is about.

If you can't provide me with proof that you are saved, why would I entertain any notion that you know how to be saved?

*sighs*

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