I have shown you this many times before but it just does not sink in you yet.
I have said according to Psalm 58:1-6, and many other verses it is referring to all mankind's condition when we need salvation and when God tells us that as soon as the child is born he will go astray this means they are born in Adam as all of us are that is, we all inherit Adam's sin this is why I keep quoting to you, In Adam ALL die BUT IN Christ ALL SHALL BE MADE ALIVE.
Saban, you do not understand the nature of sin and how it all got started it was started way back there in the garden of Eden and we can see by the language that Adam was born in the likeness of God. However, when Adam sinned a HUGE change took place we read this in Gen. 5:1-3, did you read the HUGE difference here? I am wondering if you are reading the verses I am sharing with you Saban because you never comment on them so I will show you and quote those verses in, Gen. 5:1-3 and we can see the change the image from Christ to the time of Adam's sin it changed to the image to man.
"This is the book of the generations of Adam in the days that God created man, IN THE LIKENESS OF GOD MADE BY HIM. Male and female created He them: and blessed them and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created, And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son IN HIS OWN LIKENESS, AFTER HIS IMAGE, and called his name Seth."
Saban, here I am showing you from God's word not some language I am trying to make up to fit my doctrine no way! Here God is showing us a HUGE change took place here when Adam sinned and he had a Son called Seth he was not created in the likeness of God but was created now in the likeness of his Father Adam.
What happened when sin entered into the world through Adam's transgression this means we all come from the loins of Adam what this means we all started out here by just one man called Adam. Now we can understand if God gives one understanding to see this basic foundational truth that in Adam ALL die but in Christ ALL shall be made alive.
Sabam, what I am sharing with is just basic knowledge most churches teach that we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God because of Adam sin we inherited this sin and this is why we need to be [BORN AGAIN] TO EVEN ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD IT IS A MUST PERIOD!
Now Saban, if you cannot get past this basic foundation how then can I go into deeper things of the word with you? I am sorry not being rude at all here with you but you have not gotten past the ABC of the very nature of how sin started in the world. Now I have shared these verses for you to look up either you never looked them up or God has not given you this basic understanding of how sin started into this world.
Saban, this is why you say [EVENTUALLY MAN DOES SIN] what your stating here is, you know very soon they will sin and here I am showing just how soon they end up in sin they are born and already infected with this sin nature you just do not see it work out right away but it does not take long to see little Tommy lie and tommy saying, he did not put his hand in that cooking jar, when he did. We try to teach our children to do right and it takes everything and they still miss it. You never have to teach a child to do wrong because it comes naturally to them because they are born in sin and in trespasses, Eph. 2:1, this is why we all need to come alive in Christ Jesus and this takes all the work and mercy and grace of God minus any man's work least he go a boasting which most will do. Thank you. Gary
Gary, you've mentioned you believe children in the womb are sinful. If you still believe this, can you confirm at what point they are accountable to God for their sin? Is it conception? Is it birth? What say you, Gary?