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Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#32596 Aug 4, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Correct.
Peter, according to Acts, was unschooled. So, an illiterate could not have written anything.
Also, there were no writings or a gospel from Paul that Peter could read. Paul wrote letter to various folks. So, Peter could not have read any of his letters.
It is reported by scholars that even half of Paul's letters were not written by Paul.
For example, Hebrews was not written by Paul.
Truly.

2 Peter was written in the 2nd century and plagiarizes heavily from Jude, also a 2nd century pseudograph.

Acts describes John and Peter as unschooled. Yet if one does not rely on Acts but accepts the description of Peter in the canonical gospels as common laborer, 1rst century Palestinian laborers rarely received any literary education, let alone education in reading and writing a second language -- Koine Greek.

And so even the apology that Peter used a scribe fails. Peter, a real person, was long dead before the 2nd century and could not have plagiarized a 2nd century Greek text, Jude, even if relying on a scribe.

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#32597 Aug 4, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Even the three synoptic gospels do not agree with John.
That's not surprising. The Bible is a self-refuting tautology.

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#32598 Aug 4, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Truly.
2 Peter was written in the 2nd century and plagiarizes heavily from Jude, also a 2nd century pseudograph.
Acts describes John and Peter as unschooled. Yet if one does not rely on Acts but accepts the description of Peter in the canonical gospels as common laborer, 1rst century Palestinian laborers rarely received any literary education, let alone education in reading and writing a second language -- Koine Greek.
And so even the apology that Peter used a scribe fails. Peter, a real person, was long dead before the 2nd century and could not have plagiarized a 2nd century Greek text, Jude, even if relying on a scribe.
True.

Since: Aug 11

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#32599 Aug 4, 2013
John's Gospel is written by more than one person.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#32600 Aug 4, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct.
Peter, according to Acts, was unschooled. So, an illiterate could not have written anything.
Also, there were no writings or a gospel from Paul that Peter could read. Paul wrote letter to various folks. So, Peter could not have read any of his letters.
It is reported by scholars that even half of Paul's letters were not written by Paul.
For example, Hebrews was not written by Paul.
How would you know Peter was illiterate and if he happened to be illiterate before Holy Spirit Baptism, they could speak in tongues and do other miracles to confirm the Word afterwards. Illiterate after Holy Spirit Baptism? Oh Please...
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#32601 Aug 4, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Circular reasoning. The Bible does not prove the Bible.
Sure it does. A library of 66 books written by many different authors from different centuries that is harmonious.

For instance, what type of medical advice does it give that is incorrect?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#32602 Aug 4, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Hey, Dary, how'd that whole Harold Camping thing work out for you?
Harold set yet another date?
Matthew 24:36
New King James Version (NKJV)
No One Knows the Day or Hour

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#32603 Aug 4, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Sure, that's one way to look at it. Another is too look at the whole concept of sin. One such concept describes sin as separation from God. In other words, we either move in the direction of God or away from God. Repentance simply means changing one's direction. No man goes through an entire day moving only in the direction of God. Jesus speaks in the Gospels of the two greatest commandments. Following these commandments brings us closer to God does it not? Obedience means following these two commandments.
Sure. That will make someone a good human being.

The Bible also teaches about Jesus' church which he said he would build. He did. After his ascension. Can someone be in good standing with God and ignore the church Jesus paid for with His blood? Can we be in good standing with God by trying to follow the two greatest commandments and ignoring the commandments that came afterwards?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#32604 Aug 4, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct.
Peter, according to Acts, was unschooled. So, an illiterate could not have written anything.
Also, there were no writings or a gospel from Paul that Peter could read. Paul wrote letter to various folks. So, Peter could not have read any of his letters.
It is reported by scholars that even half of Paul's letters were not written by Paul.
For example, Hebrews was not written by Paul.
Who are those scholars?

The book of Hebrews never mentions it was written by Paul. "Scholars" have suggested it was written by Paul. Yet, other "scholars" say it wasn't.

It doesn't matter because it doesn't tell us.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#32605 Aug 4, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Incorrect.
2 Peter is a pseudograph.
Really? Do elaborate.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#32607 Aug 4, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
John's Gospel is written by more than one person.
Indeed!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#32608 Aug 4, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Who are those scholars?
The book of Hebrews never mentions it was written by Paul. "Scholars" have suggested it was written by Paul. Yet, other "scholars" say it wasn't.
It doesn't matter because it doesn't tell us.
Modern scholars.

What matters is that the author of Hebrews wrote a few of his own lines, copied and pasted verses from Psalms and other books to give the false impression as if God called Jesus, God, which is not true.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#32609 Aug 4, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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How would you know Peter was illiterate and if he happened to be illiterate before Holy Spirit Baptism, they could speak in tongues and do other miracles to confirm the Word afterwards. Illiterate after Holy Spirit Baptism? Oh Please...
Even an illiterate can talk what he wants but Peter was not a literate.

He could neither read nor write.

So far, I have not seen anywhere what they spoke and what was the message given, when they spoke in tongues.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#32610 Aug 4, 2013
Addendum, Saban

Acts confirms that Peter and John were unschooled or illiterate.

If they had been literate, they would have written more long before any gospel appeared.

Under the scrutiny of that statement, it is impossible that John wrote John.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#32611 Aug 4, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Truly.

2 Peter was written in the 2nd century and plagiarizes heavily from Jude, also a 2nd century pseudograph.

Acts describes John and Peter as unschooled. Yet if one does not rely on Acts but accepts the description of Peter in the canonical gospels as common laborer, 1rst century Palestinian laborers rarely received any literary education, let alone education in reading and writing a second language -- Koine Greek.

And so even the apology that Peter used a scribe fails. Peter, a real person, was long dead before the 2nd century and could not have plagiarized a 2nd century Greek text, Jude, even if relying on a scribe.
Good points.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#32612 Aug 4, 2013
Gary,

Here's a question I asked you last Tuesday:

Just obeying the gospel as we've been instructed we must do. We wouldn't know about these instructions had it not been for the Spirit and the Word. Right?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#32613 Aug 4, 2013
Gary,

Here's another one from last Tuesday:

Which infant conversion are you going to point me to?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#32614 Aug 4, 2013
Gary, Here's another one from last Tuesday you skipped over:

Jesus said “Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and the son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you (Matthew 28:19,20).

Sounds like "WORK" to me Gary. Do you recommend we ignore this commandment?

Which portion would be considered works and which portions would not be considered works?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#32615 Aug 4, 2013
bmz wrote:
Addendum, Saban
Acts confirms that Peter and John were unschooled or illiterate.
If they had been literate, they would have written more long before any gospel appeared.
Under the scrutiny of that statement, it is impossible that John wrote John.
Which verse points to their being illiterate?

Additionally, Peter is the only man of which I am aware ever walked on water. Did he do it all his life? No. With Jesus it was possible.

The same would be true with the books attributed to them. If they were in fact illiterate, we would see even more confirmation that the message is from God working through the Spirit through these men.

This is in fact what the scriptures claim, they are inspired by God.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#32616 Aug 4, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Which verse points to their being illiterate?

Additionally, Peter is the only man of which I am aware ever walked on water. Did he do it all his life? No. With Jesus it was possible.
The same would be true with the books attributed to them. If they were in fact illiterate, we would see even more confirmation that the message is from God working through the Spirit through these men.

This is in fact what the scriptures claim, they are inspired by God.
Acts 4:13 Wycliffe Bible (WYC)

13 And they saw the steadfastness of Peter and of John, and when it was found that they were men unlettered, and lay men [that there were men without letters, and idiots], they wondered, and they knew them that they were with Jesus.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

I do not believe that Jesus walked on water. Hence, no comments on walking on water.

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