Would you like to take over my handle? Seems like a whole lot of flushing going on here. LOL
That was a good one, WW.
Since: Mar 08
#32515 Aug 2, 2013
That was a good one, WW.
#32516 Aug 2, 2013
This is a fair question:
Why is GoThomas is not inspired by Him?
The reason being New, is this, when we come to the last book of what makes up the Bible in the book of Revelation God warns us on the last page of the Bible in Rev. 22:18-19 never to add nor take away from the words written in the book which we call the Bible. God will add unto them the plagues written in this book the Bible.
God being God He had no problem making sure all the books He wanted to be in the Bible was in the Bible. I am sure if one reads GoThomas they will see no harmony in this book that would fit into the Bible. However, God alone was in control working through men to put al this together that makes up the 66 books of what make up the word of God.
So, we can know without doubt that God is in full control of His word and He alone made sure what was in there was meant to be there.
New, there are many writing that people found that was never put into the Bible some churches have added others books into the Bible as the Catholic which is not God breathed there is no harmony to them but total confusion in those books. This is why the only church that believes they should be in there is the Catholic church, scholars have seen the confusion in them also. I read some of them in the Catholic version and it is very easy to spot the confusion in them.
New, the bottom line is this, don't you think God has enough of power to make sure His word would be preserved? This is the question you have to ask your self. Thank you. Gary
#32517 Aug 2, 2013
I am sorry but to move on you have to be able to answer those basic questions please think about this most important matter. Thank you. Gary
#32518 Aug 2, 2013
That is a fair question:
"Where is it stated that GoThomas is not inspired by Him?"
It is not talked about in the Bible because when we get to the end of the Bible the last page of the Bible in Rev. 22:1819, God warns us very clearly not to add not take away from the words written in this book which we call the Bible which means book.
Don't you think God has the power to preserve His word? Everything He wanted in the Bible is there every word.
However, there are many books people want to add into the Bible the Catholic church has added some books in there Bible but it is not inspired we can know this when we read these books there is total confusion and lack of harmony among these books. There is only 66 books that make up the word of God. The bottom line is we must ask our self. Does God have the power to make sure He put wanted He wanted in His word?
God tells us that, "Holy men of God spoke as God the Holy Spirit moved them"
I believe this and I believe God has the power to make sure what He alone wanted in the word. The book of Thomas I am sure does not bring harmony to the rest of the 66 books, God is in complete control of His word so we can rest assured we have the whole of God breathed word. Thank you. Gary 1 John 3:13-15
#32521 Aug 2, 2013
I will ask this one question for you but you have to be able to answer those verses I have shared with you in the past post.
Now first of all, you called me a false prophet, a liar, I am from Satan, and so on. I fully understand why, the religious people of Jesus day said the same thing about my Lord Jesus Christ and Savior. So, I stand in good company here God tells us in Matthew 5 to rejoice when men slander, mock, and scoff you for my name sake rejoice for great is your reward in heaven. So, I will rejoice in my Lord Jesus.
How does one obey the gospel?
One cannot obey the gospel on his own it is impossible to please God without faith the Bible declares this read, Heb. 11.
1- God must give one repentance to even acknowledge the true gospel, 2 Tim. 2:25-26
2- God must WASH one as He washed Peter, Jesus had to all the work in washing one clean.
3- God must give one a brand new Spirit, Ezek. 36, a brand new heart and He alone must sprinkle us with clean water of the living water, John 4.
4- God must do all the work in saving one we cannot add anything to the work of God least any man should boast and there are plenty of boasters out there. I believe all the glory of salvation goes to God alone.
5- When man steps in and says, water baptism will help save me when I do this act of work in doing this I will be saved.
6- water baptism does not save it is an out ward sign in what hopefully took place in a person's life, Rom. 6.
7- Water baptism is not the substance of salvation it is a picture of salvation not the substance Jesus alone must wash one if not they will not be clean this all takes the work of God in this God will get all the glory.
8- The problem arises when people say I believe one must be saved by the word and the Spirit. However, many churches will begin to add to this they will say you must be a good church member, you must be water baptized, you must tithe, you must do this and that and the list goes on. The Scribes and the Pharisses did the same thing that is, they added to the grace of God this is why they killed the Lord Jesus the word of life because they hated the true gospel it is the unsaved religious people that wanted the word of life killed and the same thing goes on today, they show [hate] towards the true brother thus they become a murderer, 1 John 3:13-15.
9- Nothing but the grace of God saves by His word and His Spirit period!
10- Those teaching otherwise have a different gospel, period! Thank you. Gary
#32522 Aug 2, 2013
YES, I BELIEVE YOU, THIS IS WHY IT IS NOT PART OF WHAT MAKES UP THE 66 BOOKS OF THE BIBLE. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS INFORMATION. Gary.
“What are you looking at?”
Since: Jan 08
#32524 Aug 2, 2013
<<continued to Gary>>
I don't believe "God" has any power over this world, Gary.
I know for a fact that "He" didn't have enough power to stop a 13 yr old girl from being raped 13 times within a 24 hour period.
Nor was "He" anywhere to be found, nor any of "His" powerfulness when three women were being held captive by Ariel Castro for ten years.
Your bullshite excuses are nothing more than you lying to yourself for believing in such nonsense.
Let's see if you will even address the points I continue to make. We'll see. I'll be waiting to respond if you do make the attempt again.
You want to hear the bottom-line?
That would be - your answer is not a valid response.
Wanna try again, or will you be expressing how "sorry" you are yet another time and just avoid answering again?
Gary, it's time to "MAN-UP!"
#32525 Aug 2, 2013
I AM SORRY BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START HERE THIS IS WHY I ASKED YOU FIRST TO EXPLAIN MY PAST POST.
You said of Nicodemus:
Nicodemus was able to understand this concept.
How could someone unable to understand this instruction and be bound by it?
Saban, I see that your not understanding the most basic of truth's sorry to say I am not trying to be rude here at all but the Bible is clear that Jesus told Nicodemus this:
"Nicodemus answered and said unto Him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and KNOWEST NOT THESE THINGS?" John 3:9-10
Saban, this is why you need to read the word carefully Nicodemus did not have a clue what Jesus meant he even said about being born again he said you mean can I enter into my mother's womb a second time and be born?
Saban, your not understanding these basic truth's how then can I go further into deeper truth's with you when you cannot understand these things? This is why I asked you some serious questions concerning the difference of Jesus making one clean by washing them and a do it your self have it your way self help gospel by believing some literal water can save one by the act of getting wet is not salvation Saban this is what your churches teaching and they do not even understand that all mankind is born in sin this is why one must be born again all the unsaved must be born again it does not say except for babies does it? No!
Saban, you remind me of this man Nicodemus and I hope later you will understand what I am declaring to you also. The fact is, you must be born again of the word and the Spirit period! I understand you want to add to this, I understand that you do not understand what being born again means if you did you would believe all to be saved MUST be born again to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Saban, this is what Jesus said, so don't get mad at me I did not say this Jesus did. All that I can do in love is share His precious words. Saban, you can call me all kinds of names the devil, false prophet I understand but those that say this to a believer in Christ these words follow they are like a murderer they killed Christ they will want to kill you also, the hate is likened to murderer read my closing verses. Thank you. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15
#32527 Aug 2, 2013
So God "working through men" made the Bible possible. I'm glad you recognize this. God "working through men" instilled the Holy Spirit in Christians as well (Acts 2:38).
#32528 Aug 2, 2013
Your four basic questions/comments and my answers/comments:
1. "God tells us without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sins." - Gary
Saban fan says - "correct"
2. "Literal water cannot forgive sins." - Gary
Saban fan says - "that gets no argument from me."
3. "Do you remember reading Jesus washing Peter's feet?" - Gary
Saban fan says - "Yes. Did he use water?"
4. "You cannot wash yourself, Jesus must do the washing in order for one to become saved." - Gary
Saban fan says - "that gets no argument from me."
From here on out....
Please be honest with me about these issues understanding where I stand on them and don't suggest I believe something I don't. What I believe is clearly stated in the scriptures.
“What are you looking at?”
Since: Jan 08
#32529 Aug 2, 2013
You didn't. You only posted your opinion.
You are still diverting.
If there is not specific passage by "God" stating the book is not inspired, then with you claiming it wasn't, because of this or that, doesn't confirm "God" said anything.
I see through you and your implications to promote a false doctrine. I'm just not sure why you can't see it with what you post.
If anyone should be "sorry", it should be you, for continuing to mislead others with being a false witness, especially when you have nothing to support your position.
Still can't fathom being honest, huh?
#32530 Aug 2, 2013
So you don't think Nicodemus understood after Jesus explained it to him?
If not, do you think Nicodemus was just unable to understand it because it was such a foreign concept to them at that time? Do you think Jesus would have explained this concept to an infant that by laws of nature is unable to even comprehend being born the first time???
("a do it your self have it your way self help gospel by believing some literal water can save one by the act of getting wet")
is misleading and unfair to continually go back to after I have told you over and over and over and over that I do not believe there is anything special about the water. I don't "do it yourself", God does it when we obey.
Have you yet answered the questions I've asked you over and over about obedience?
#32531 Aug 2, 2013
That is a long fuzzy answer to "How does one obey the gospel?"
Question a.- Every example given in Hebrews 11 is one of OBEDIENT FAITH whereby God's specific commands were followed to a 'T'.
1.- And this is something we must request (Acts 2:38).
2.- As he does in baptism. The one being baptized according to Jesus' command is the passive one. The work in washing the spirit clean, instilling the Holy Spirit, and adding to the church is not done by the baptizee or the baptizer.
3.-(Acts 2:38) baptism - when the Holy Spirit is placed in the repentant believer.
4.- You get no argument from me. I also believe all the glory of salvation goes to God alone.
5.- Nowhere in scripture is it described as an "act of work" but the Bible definitely confirms this is where remission of sins happens (Acts 2:38).
6.- There is symbolism in the death to sin and rising to be born again to live anew in Christ. As Paul stated there is only "ONE" baptism, I am "sad to say" denominations have felt a need to practice two when they believe they experience Holy Spirit baptism like the Apostles did that gave them miraculous abilities and they do water baptism as well to join a baptist church or whatever. TWO does not = ONE.
7. Jesus commanded his disciples to baptize in Matt. 28. Jesus gets the Glory! We're baptized into Him! He made it possible!
8.- Matthew 28:20 - Jesus says "and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."
#32535 Aug 2, 2013
I asked you if you could first answer these points step by step before you go into other areas of the word of God.
You see Saban when one gets sprinkled or dunked into water in a church or wherever and the baptize this person this act in it's self cannot save one because it is a work than man does you just do not see this yes we get baptized as a picture it is never takes the place of God's salvation we do this not to show people now I am saved because I have done this act because the fact is, most people who get water baptized never become saved, I see most people who were water baptized have no interest at all in the Bible the reason being, only the word and the Spirit can save one. John 3:1-8, 4:23,
Now how can I go further with you Saban if you cannot answer those verses below in the light of the whole Bible?
It is truly sad and I mean this to see people believing and thinking they became saved by an act of water baptism this was never meant to save one it is a picture it is not the substance of salvation it cannot be because we are saved by grace through faith Saban I have repeated this over and over so I think it be wise for you just to do word studies on the word [baptize][baptism] and compare spiritual things with spiritual, 1 Cor. 2. What your doing is comparing a literal act to salvation. Thank you. Gary
Since: Aug 11
#32536 Aug 2, 2013
Paul said all scripture is inspired. The would include the Gospel of Thomas. Am I correct?
#32537 Aug 2, 2013
Your question: "So you don't think Nicodemus understood after Jesus explained it to Him?
Saban, where does it state that Nicodemus understood what Jesus meant in John 3 where? The proof is on you to show me because I have shown you from the word he had no clue what Jesus meant because Jesus must open ones understanding by His word and His Spirit read, Luke 24:15-47. Here these desciples did not understand Jesus even when He gave them the word on a seven mile walk on the road called Emmaus after Jesus shared them the scriptures and the Psalms then, He Jesus decided to open their understanding
" Then opened He their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures." Luke 24:45
Saban, this is how God saves one He has to clean us He has to wash us, He has to open our understanding, we do not take this work of salvation that only God can do no way! God alone must take all the action in ones salvation you want to add what you do to complete your so called salvation it will NOT WASH. Thank you. Gary
#32538 Aug 2, 2013
The [ALL] scripture is in the 66 books of what makes up the Bible. As I said before there are many more books beside Thomas the Catholic church has added theirs to the mix but they are not in harmony with the rest of the 66 books in the Bible this is how we can know it is not God breathed. I am sure there maybe as many as 50 other books and parchments that they have found but it is not part of the Bible. I have read some of the books in the Catholic Bible. Thank you. Gary
“What are you looking at?”
Since: Jan 08
#32539 Aug 2, 2013
That's is right, "God" didn't, and you being a man, or for that matter - ANY MAN - cannot determine what is inspired and what is not.
Did "God" explicitly call out only 66 books? Did "He" do it after 325 CE?
Because before 325 CE - there was no Bible established, nor a canon, so all the books that had been written were circluating freely.
Not until 325 CE, when the Council of Nicea - a primarily "Catholic" concil convened and decided upon which books were to be included.
Another point of interest you have failed to acknowledge is that even then, in 325 CE, the First Council of Nicea convened and the bishops did put together 50 "Constantine Bibles", and even then it had a small book count in that edition.
In 397 - a formal canon seemed to be established - but that was only 22 books.
However long it took "God" to recognize 66 books, and those who think "He" was involved, don't know their religon's history, had never investigated, and beleive blindly.
"Constantine, and the Council of Nicea, for that matter, had virtually nothing to do with the forming of the canon. It was not even discussed at Nicea. The council that formed an undisputed decision on the canon took place at Carthage in 397, sixty years after Constantine's death. However, long before Constantine, 21 books were acknowledged by all Christians (the 4 Gospels, Acts, 13 Paul, 1 Peter, 1 John, Revelation). There were 10 disputed books (Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2-3 John, Jude, Ps-Barnabas, Hermas, Didache, Gospel of Hebrews) and several that most all considered hereticalGospels of Peter, Thomas, Matthaias, Acts of Andrew, John, etc.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Constantine-Bible... ;
NOTE THIS GARY: I will continue to call you out on any false information you continue to post and you concede that the information you do provide is not anything legitimate.
I don't take too kindly to lying "Christians", especially when they admantly take a stance that is completely untrue, as you have. Whomever you learned whatever from, they failed at giving you the correct information.
Where does "God" specifically state there are to be only 66 books in the canon?
#32543 Aug 2, 2013
DO YOU THINK GOD COULD NOT CONTROL WHAT WENT INTO HIS WORD WHAT WE CALL THE BIBLE TODAY?
This is the question you have to ask your self.
God warned in the last book of the Bible around 95 AD to 98 AD God warned us in the very last page in Rev. 22:18-19 not to add anything in the word after this. New, I believe God said what He meant and I just leave it there if you do like this then you have every right to feel what you want. I cannot prove this New because the whole of the Bible is based on faith. How do you explain Rev. 22:18-19 can you go into some detail? Thank you. Gary
#32544 Aug 2, 2013
You just responded to me by responding to your own post. I'll be interested to see as I read through the updated posts to see if you answer the many questions I've asked in my posts to you.
Basically all you've given me here is your opinion.
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