What Your Church Won't Tell You by Da...

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#31959 Jul 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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John 14:6
Jesus answered,“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
That's a story about truth.

What is truth?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#31960 Jul 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Another error in your interpretation.
"First, the Rock was never the church it is Christ Himself He never fails look at all the churches falling away God tells us that judgment first must begin in the house of God"
- you don't believe in all of what Jesus taught - you've only accepted what men have approved.
There is no such thing as "churches" unless you speak of those that are man-made. There is THE CHURCH.

Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#31961 Jul 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Another error in your interpretation.
"First, the Rock was never the church it is Christ Himself He never fails look at all the churches falling away God tells us that judgment first must begin in the house of God"
- you don't believe in all of what Jesus taught - you've only accepted what men have approved.
again, it's THE CHURCH not "churches"

Colossians 1:18
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

When "churches" are spoken of it is Christ's churches - not those started by and named after men:

Romans 16:16
Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#31962 Jul 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I will agree with you on the baptism ritual.
Water is not needed to cleanse the mind.
And if one were to use the metphorical explanations of "water" throughout the centuries, one would realize that water alos represents 'love', thus if one pours water or submerses themself into water, it not only "cleanses" the body, it is also metaphorical - showing "God's love being poured out over the individual".
One does not need the ritual in order to accept any form of love. All one needs to do is make the mental change to accept and give love.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Galatians 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Matthew 15:9
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 16:16
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 15:13-14
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#31963 Jul 15, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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That's a story about truth.
What is truth?
John 17:17
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#31964 Jul 15, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I will agree with you on the baptism ritual.
Water is not needed to cleanse the mind.
And if one were to use the metphorical explanations of "water" throughout the centuries, one would realize that water alos represents 'love', thus if one pours water or submerses themself into water, it not only "cleanses" the body, it is also metaphorical - showing "God's love being poured out over the individual".
One does not need the ritual in order to accept any form of love. All one needs to do is make the mental change to accept and give love.
Not a ritual, a commandment.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#31965 Jul 15, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Circumcision was required in the Law of Moses. Did Jesus change the Law? Did God change his mind?
Thank you for all the verses proving that Jesus and Paul rejected the Law of Moses.
Blessings my friend.
Circumcision in the OT foreshadowed circumcision (baptism - the putting away of the filth so to speak) in the NT.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31967 Jul 15, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
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Sumerian stories support true relations about global great flood of Noah
sumerians were witnessing those event from their own view point,different from GODS INSPIRE writers of Bible
pattern of time always change view points,but support true absolute relation of this event wiping out complete phisical earth degradation of nephilims wicked Congregations of ruthless murders and moral complete decay-same happen globaly today-earth will be destoryed by consuming fire of God powers without of any creature pain-only loud noice and alll filth is gone living clouds of stinks
So the inconsistencies with the time frame (how long the flood lasted) is not a problem for you, right?

"Give ear to my instructions:
By our...a flood will sweep over the cult-centers;
To destroy the seed of mankind...,
Is the decision, the word of the assembly of the gods.
By the word commanded by Anu and Enlil...,
Its kingship, its rule will be put to an end.
[about 40 lines missing]
All the windstorms, exceedingly powerful,
Attacked as one,
At the same time, the flood sweeps over the cult-centers.
After, for seven days,
the flood sweeps over the cult centers.
After, for seven days and seven nights,
The flood had swept over the land,
And the huge boat had been tossed
About by the windstorms on the great waters,
Utu came forth, who sheds light on heaven and earth,
Ziusudra opened a window of the huge boat,
The hero Utu brought his rays into the giant boat."
http://history-world.org/sumerian_floor_story...

"[101][The god of destruction] Erragal pulled out the mooring poles,
forth went [the war god] Ninurta and made the dikes overflow.

[103] The gods lifted up the torches,
setting the land ablaze with their flare.

[105] Stunned shock over Adad's deeds overtook the heavens,
and turned to blackness all that had been light.
He shattered the land like a raging bull, broke it into pieces like a pot.

[108] All day long the South Wind blew,
blowing fast - and then the Flood came,
overwhelming the people like an attack.

[111] No one could see his fellow,
they could not recognize each other in the torrent.

[113] Even the gods were frightened by the Flood,
and retreated, ascending to the heaven of Anu.
The gods were cowering like dogs, crouching by the outer wall.

[116] Ištar shrieked like a woman in childbirth,
the sweet-voiced Mistress of the Gods wailed:
'The olden days have alas turned to clay,
because I said evil things in the Assembly of the Gods!
How could I say evil things in the Assembly of the Gods,
ordering a catastrophe to destroy my people?
No sooner have I given birth to my dear people
than they fill the sea like so many fish!'

[124] The gods -those of the Anunnaki- were weeping with her,
the gods humbly sat weeping, sobbing with grief,
their lips burning, parched with thirst.
Six days and seven nights
came the wind and flood,
the storm flattening the land.

[129] When the seventh day arrived,
the storm was pounding.
She who had been struggling with itself like a woman writhing in labor,
the sea, calmed; the whirlwind fell still; the flood stopped.

[133] I looked around all day long - quiet had set in
and all the human beings had turned to clay!
The terrain was as flat as a roof."
http://www.historywiz.com/primarysources/sume...

What it does sound like, and since the biblical account is much later than the Sumerian, it appears that your belief is skewed in error in determining the earlier version.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31970 Jul 15, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
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sure ,time frame is not problem
aproximately date of C12,C14 deep oceans sendiments fallen from Deep space together with huge violent waves of waters
C12.C14 give apriximately time of 7000 years or more, not more then 8000 years ago
Yes it is, but you seem to put it aside as related to Science and their discoveries concerning the "Great Flood" theory.
Dr shrink wrote:
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Bible time relation is not based on today time
ancient time variation can confuse basic researcher of Flood and reject Flood that never occur in past,

You have no proof that "Bible time" is different.....except what is in the Bible. That would be circular logic and you would need some other support of this "time" outside the Bible, in which you do not.

Debunked.
Dr shrink wrote:
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but past time is like house of built from ply cards, top is not reachable and not provable scientificaly because padt top pattern time doesn't exist for us to research phisicaly and proof as earthly fact
More proverbial wisdoms by the "dr."??

You really don't know what you are trying to convey.
Dr shrink wrote:
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it match Jesus words,"about time and hour only God knows the end of earthly and phisical universe time-because God is creator of time,
Jesus never spoke of the flood, nor did he place a time period, how long it lasted, etc.

But you will no doubt provide a citation to this claim of yours, right?
- Please provide the actual statement(s) Jesus made in regard to the Great Flood that you say occurred.
Dr shrink wrote:
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He also was main cause of Flood of Noah, and not phisical proofs are able to find out this event as fact,only our faith,being born again from Gods Direct Spirit,Gods allow us to understand that flood of Noah really exist,and is close connected by end of this world
Jesus was not hte main cause of the "flood".

You are now being ridiculous and silly.

But you are correct - there are no "physical proofs" that can substantiate this to be fact, thus, it is only a story based upon the Sumerian texts.
Dr shrink wrote:
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at first God allow to BAPTISM BY WATER WHOLE WORLD, at end God Got will Baptist Whole world by Consuming Gods Fire- they survive only those who are and be baptise by Fire HOLY SPIRIT not by Water 2 Peter 3;1-14
Making up thinkgs about "God" again?

You so-called "Christians" whom 'fall short of God', sure like to spin a tale about "God" when you can't explain it through logic and reason. Take your snake oil and try selling it to an uninformed "Christian", they are much better suited with believing you than I am.
Dr shrink wrote:
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Very interesant true story about Noah Flood is in the Dead Sea Scrolls
Called in English;"Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English translated be Geza Vermes"Penguin Classics"
read also book of khanokh-ALSO INTERESANT UNINSPIRE STORY ABOUT FLOOD?
sorry for removing some of your posts quotes,I was not able to fit my thoughts in this respond
thank you
Yes teh Sumerian texts are very interesting. You should read them sometime.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31971 Jul 15, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
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IF YOU PEE IN YOUR PANTS? IT IS OK with scums like you,
but if your s....in your pants,always wait to dry this s...shake it through window,and you can pee again again and again,until your urines draw you down like miniature flood of noah removing only you wicked scum,and your pants
capischo my son sold to satan pleasures???
Giving others tips about a process you have seemed to master?

If this is any indication of you being a "Christian", then it is far from the meekest one I've come to know.

Your un-Christian speak is why you only help others leave Christianity, than bring them to it.

Keep it up!!

Destroying Christianity one post at a time.

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#31972 Jul 15, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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John 17:17
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
That's John's story about truth. What is truth?

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#31973 Jul 15, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
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IF YOU PEE IN YOUR PANTS? IT IS OK with scums like you,
but if your s....in your pants,always wait to dry this s...shake it through window,and you can pee again again and again,until your urines draw you down like miniature flood of noah removing only you wicked scum,and your pants
capischo my son sold to satan pleasures???
That's nasty bro. WTF? Do you have a scat complex?

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#31977 Jul 15, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
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IN REVERSE CYCLE,read your own past post
rather you are nasty bro WTF? and you have a scat complex?
NAW!!!!

I don't do instant replays.

I thought of it first. Stop plagiarizing and learn to be more creative.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#31980 Jul 15, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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That's John's story about truth. What is truth?
1 John 5:6
This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

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#31981 Jul 15, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
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I am not creator,not imitator of God to be creative
repeating same words in reverse cycle is not plagarazing,
tell me what is plagarized
following articles fitting my beliefs is expose evidence of the truth not plagarazing
at end plagarazing is forbidden only in The Schools or universities during last written or oral examinations?
so???
Go fish baby.

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#31982 Jul 15, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
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following articles fitting my beliefs is expose evidence of the truth not plagarazing

so???
You call your beliefs truth?

What is truth?
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#31983 Jul 15, 2013
Hi Saban:

The problem with this conclusion Saban is, we are not Jesus. You have asked me many questions and I tried to answer you the best I have.

Now the main problem your having Saban not being rude at all here but just to encourage you in the word. The problem is this, you believe all mankind is born without sin they are sinless, This error is so major it leads one in other error.

For example, if all babies were born sinless and I have shown from the word this is not the case, but lets just say they were born sinless this would mean they would need no salvation, This would mean they do not have to be born again, this would mean it would be better if all babies die because when they grow up they become an enemy of God, you would sure their salvation if they all died as babies. What about God's judgment in the flood there were many woman, men, and babies under the judgment, what about the cites of Sodom? Same thing, I can go on and on with example after example but it is fruitless unless God reveals these basic truth's to you Saban I cannot do this it must come from the Lord.

Saban, do you know how crazy all this sounds? If this was a math question like 2+2=4, THIS IS EASY BUT WHEN IT COMES TO GOD'S WORD THE MOST BASIC OF TRUTH'S YOU WILL NOT SEE UNLESS GOD OPENS OUR EYES TO TRUTH.

THE FACT IS SABAN, THE WORD IS CLEAR THAT WE ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.

You truly do not understand this either because your church taught you otherwise and your blinded by your churches teaching or your pastor. God simply is not showing you this most basic foundational truth. Saban, all I can say is look at all those verses I gave you and try to explain them in the light of the Bible showing that there is not one that will seek after God no not one! Romans 3:10-12. God tells us in Psalm, 58 that we ARE WICKED AND go astray as soon as we are born.

If we all were born without sin then Jesus died in vain don't you see this? The only one that was born without sin was Adam and Eve, When they sinned the word tells us we inherit their sins because we come from the loins of Adam this is why the word declares, In Adam all die but in Christ all shall be made alive. Adam had free choice but he lost it the moment he fell into sin and this is why the earth was cursed with thorns and thistles, this is why there is no more garden of Eden.

You see Saban, these biblical facts does not register with you because it must be filtered through your churches teaching this is what the churches will not tell you this is the heading of my site here.

This is why when I asked you concerning the thief on the cross what different gospel was he under that was different then grace through faith? How many different salvations does the Bible speak of? There is only one Saban this is why you could not answer my question. All that I can say is, get your eyes off your churches teaching and look only to the word salvation is far to important TO PUT YOUR TRUST IN ANY MAN OR CHURCH. I am sorry Saban you first must be able to come to grips with the core foundation before we can go any further if you do not have the foundation then there is no sense to move on until you come to understand those basic truth's I am sorry to say. I hope the very best for you and will be praying for you. Thank you. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15
Saban fan wrote:
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Many times Jesus himself answered questions with questions. Was he dodging the issue? Was he avoiding the question? Was he clouding the issue? No, no and no.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31984 Jul 16, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
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Nobody needs any proof from Bible
That is because the Bible doesn't have the proof required.
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>antiquity world of past thousand years is much enough of proofs that earthly pattern time is completly different toady from few thousand years ago
I disagree.
The men of yesteryear were much more illiterate than we are today. That alone is proof enough that the information wasn't available to them as what it is now.
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>nobody is able to find original windows time open 10000 years ago,and open windows time today,
That is correct, time travel is not possible at the moment.
Give it some more time.
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>try to experiment own window and try each day open this window in same distance from main frame
only earthly blins people doesn't understand spiritual movements of time keeprs, or sun keeprs,or moon spiritual keeprs time, adjusting their frame time to their own given tasks from above of all energies and all pattern times
Or.....just being honest with yourself and others for a change will open your eyes to the realization that all individuals are different and have different beliefs. Can you be this honest and accept those differences?
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>why you try deny divine pattern time not based on the frames of phisical fillars of this earth?
Because I've accepted that time is irrelevant to anyone spiritually.
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>why you deny soemothing in which you have not any clue not even know who is dr Shrink in divine and phisical reality?
Because, like all men, no god has ever been proven to exist. Unless you do have the 10 Commandments to show the world? Do you?
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>if you are blind, I advice you take water of salvation and wash your eyes to start see and understand deep spiritual realms holding this Universe(Nothingness) on the strings of not visible patterns pillars constantly controled by huge divine forces to keep them in proper their own time of balance
I'm not blind. Did I disappoint you?
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>thank you for your earth narrow mind posts
You are welcome. Thanks for reading them.
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>my divine existency is not to argue,not to debate,or discuss thinks not able to transfer to the earthly narrow minds of lost humankind
Of course not, because you live in an illusion of what men have presented for you to believe. In other words, you must not be able to believe in something on your own. I understand, I was there at one time in my life. And to post about another person I've met online, she was within religion for 70+ years and now claim to be an Atheist. So as you can see, we all open our eyes tot he world we live in at different times. I'm rooting for you to do the same.

<<continued>>

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31985 Jul 16, 2013
<<continue to dr.>>
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>enter Gods narrow road,is not your volutary decission or without of any outside permit to decide to follow this narrow road
I understand what you are trying to say, but first mistake - you don't know what you are talking about, if you think you can speak for any god. You can't. Please stop trying to mislead others. For all you know, I could be on that narrow path (the few Select), versus you on a road with billions.
But to the followers of Christianity, elbowing and pushing to get onto that road seems to be a challenge in itself. Try standing in one spot for a moment, look around you, and then begin the path again - with using a more focussed mannerism.
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>spiritual keepers of this narrow road and their time doesn't see you at on this time road
your sumerian pattern time drop you down to the dark ditch without of any bottom Mat 15;14
And, if I may make my opinion, they don't see you either. First off, you will have to look at your posts you have made to others. They are a tell-all tale that you talk out of two sides of your mouth.
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>have your good night,if you are able to have good night
never forget
I did have a great night. Thanks!
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>no man shall revise the scroll of the book reading its scripts on the day of earthly pattern time..But they may read and study it
no man shall make plans and proofs with his mouths....in the pattern time of this earth. he shall not talk about any spiritual matter thinking of matter relating to earthly work or material wealth on the pattern time on this earth...
man shall speak no word being apart from speaking holy words as prescribed and from pronouncing blessings of god.
Citation please. If you are quoting someone, please give them credit for their statements.
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>MAN CAN ONLY THINK,TALK ABOUT EATING,DRINKING, MAKE MONEY AND EVERYDAY MORE EARTHLY POSESSIONS MAKING HIM APART FROM GODS SECRET PATTERN TIME,WINDOWS OPEN FROM THE DIVINE FRAMES OF UINVERSE??
...and yet you think you can speak on what "God" can or cannot do.
Misleading others is very wrong. Try some real honesty for a change.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31986 Jul 16, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
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I am not warrior to fight war against christianity
fate of this wicked christianity is wrriten in Bible.by prophets, disciples,and REVELATION
let me remind you;Jesus never called his disciples christians, and never disciples called to each others as christians
this word is pagan Roman Word adopted to their pagan doctrines and 2000 years of spiritual and earthly moral atrocities against all humankind
MY TASK IS TO WAGE SPIRITUAL WAR EPH 6;11-18,and doesn't make me memeber of christianity at all?
not earthly.
Christianity sign own fate of own damnation,nobody have to wage war with them.
Babilon great is already spiritualy fallen
only left saved still have to listen Gods Words warnings and depart ASAP Rev 18;4-5
Why do you beleive men over what Jesus taught?

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