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#31808 Jul 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I understand your need to avoid the discussion - you have nothing to substantiate your position. Understood.
I guess you will go on believing the fallacy within Christianity that men created for you and I will go on believing what Jesus taught. In simpler terms believing Jesus over the men you have decided are more enlightened than Jesus.
No problem.
stay out of it with the lie of new age bull $#&T ... what a damn loser idiot.. in fact you can kiss my (_*_)

Since: Aug 11

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#31809 Jul 10, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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I do believe in its conclusion. I do not agree with you that babies are born with a corrupt nature, and are born depraved and, by definition, are in a “lost” state with the only way for babies to be saved is for them to be one of the elect—a predetermined few whom God arbitrarily decided to save while condemning all others. Hence, free will not entering into the question of salvation.
Any verses you may use to say otherwise are not being used in proper context. Paul imparted a significant truth regarding the innocence of children and their non-depraved status. Paul stated:“For apart from the law sin was dead”(Romans 7:8). He meant that prior to him becoming subject to the law, he was not guilty of any sin. He continued:“I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died”(Romans 7:9). When was Paul “alive once without the law”? The only time in a person’s life when he or she is spiritually alive in the absence of law is before he or she is a responsible, accountable adult. A person is not subject to the law of God until he or she is mature enough to understand and to be responsible for behavior.
See also the following which cannot co-exist with your conclusion:
Zechariah 12:1
A prophecy: The word of the Lord concerning Israel.
The Lord, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares:
Ezekiel 28:15
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
Matthew 18:3
And he said:“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Ezekiel 18:20
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.
Acts 17:29
“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill.
God forms the spirit of man within Him. Does God create corrupt things or does He create good and perfect things that Satan later corrupts???
Children, as the "offspring of God", come into the world innocent of sin.
There are no "conversion examples" from the womb, as you've suggested conversion can occur (from the parents speaking to the child??). Clearly the example you've used of John is not the rule but rather a one time exception as it was foretold that this child would be filled with the Spirit of God, even from his mother’s womb, and that he would be reared under the strict code of the Nazirite (Num.6:1-21), an indication of the solemnity of his role in preparing the way for the world’s Redeemer. What occurred with John from the womb validated the prophesy in that it was something miraculous that didn't occur in nature under normal circumstances.
Seven centuries before the birth of Jesus, the prophet Isaiah spoke of “the voice of one that crieth,” indeed, of him who would “prepare in the wilderness the way of Jehovah,” and “make level in the desert a highway for our God”(Isa. 40:3).
I agree, children are born innocent.

Paul was creating an early kind of moral theology. Interestingly, some Catholics have been doing a great deal of work expanding upon moral theology. You might check out some of their work.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31810 Jul 10, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>stay out of it with the lie of new age bull $#&T ... what a damn loser idiot.. in fact you can kiss my (_*_)
The voice of Christianity?

I didn't think so either.

Clownie - please stop projecting your personal fantasies. Come to think of it, "dr shrink" likes this same kind of "comfort" - maybe you should take a few minutes and let the "dr" 'get to know you better'.

Since: Aug 11

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#31811 Jul 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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The voice of Christianity?
I didn't think so either.
Clownie - please stop projecting your personal fantasies. Come to think of it, "dr shrink" likes this same kind of "comfort" - maybe you should take a few minutes and let the "dr" 'get to know you better'.
Be nice to Clownie, he's my homeboy.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31812 Jul 10, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Be nice to Clownie, he's my homeboy.
My suggestion to you - find a new homeboy.

Since: Aug 11

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#31813 Jul 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
My suggestion to you - find a new homeboy.
lol

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31815 Jul 10, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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lol
:o)

BIBLE TRUE JEHOVA

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#31817 Jul 10, 2013
Continuation of my Last posts
I wrote about
1/World Government
2/World Military
3/World Finaces
and now
4/World Religion

all 4 man made satanic powers works against Kingdom of God,trying ro establish own man made NWO-GLOBALISTIC DREAM TO RULER ABOVE MANKIND BY SATAN AND MAN ALONE

4/WORLD RELIGION
a/terminal deposition of"Babilon the great(BTG) world religious sovereignity and unity witl whole Christendom of 38000 sects and cults against true Kingdom of God
(Rev 17;14-16,18)at point of apex globalist world"man power and authority" consolidation
(Rev 17;12-18)is shown in Rev 16.6th bowl plague concurency just prior to Armagedon full"global situtation"(Rev 16;12-16

b/ This means Babilon the Great is actualy present to the near conclusion of all power by God's Kingdom as a handy globalist 8th king deposed prop;(Rev 17;12-18)to aid the world "peace and security" illusion at"freedom from care" (Dan 8;25) timing of 1 Thess 5;1-3

C/very interesant development and direct influnces of Globalists team NWO designers occured at 1990 AMONG LEADERS OF SECT JW,NOT DIRECTLY TO BABILONG GREAT FALSE ORGANIZE RELIGION

This cult group JW are the first to undergo globalist national proxy divinely permited and decreed"sege" complex sorts worldwide as signla temple judgement marked time period of Daniel 8;14;
(1 Peter 4;17,Daniel 8;13-14 and Zechariah 3;1-6

THE REAL THING

God's Kingom is also making anoucement during the above globalist progressive world man made government drive concerning'

1/ guaranted universal and world conquest as per active prophecy in fulfillment;
2/ Kingdom impending completion;
3/ temple completion
4/Final ministry of'two witnesess" final sovereign warning and Mesianic Kingdom ultimatum

5/ Lat war with God and Christ at Armagedon-complete destruction of man and satan war against true Kingdom of God

be continue
abour FINAL MINISTRY

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#31818 Jul 10, 2013
BIBLE TRUE JEHOVA wrote:
Continuation of my Last posts
I wrote about
1/World Government
2/World Military
3/World Finaces
and now
4/World Religion
all 4 man made satanic powers works against Kingdom of God,trying ro establish own man made NWO-GLOBALISTIC DREAM TO RULER ABOVE MANKIND BY SATAN AND MAN ALONE
4/WORLD RELIGION
a/terminal deposition of"Babilon the great(BTG) world religious sovereignity and unity witl whole Christendom of 38000 sects and cults against true Kingdom of God
(Rev 17;14-16,18)at point of apex globalist world"man power and authority" consolidation
(Rev 17;12-18)is shown in Rev 16.6th bowl plague concurency just prior to Armagedon full"global situtation"(Rev 16;12-16
b/ This means Babilon the Great is actualy present to the near conclusion of all power by God's Kingdom as a handy globalist 8th king deposed prop;(Rev 17;12-18)to aid the world "peace and security" illusion at"freedom from care" (Dan 8;25) timing of 1 Thess 5;1-3
C/very interesant development and direct influnces of Globalists team NWO designers occured at 1990 AMONG LEADERS OF SECT JW,NOT DIRECTLY TO BABILONG GREAT FALSE ORGANIZE RELIGION
This cult group JW are the first to undergo globalist national proxy divinely permited and decreed"sege" complex sorts worldwide as signla temple judgement marked time period of Daniel 8;14;
(1 Peter 4;17,Daniel 8;13-14 and Zechariah 3;1-6
THE REAL THING
God's Kingom is also making anoucement during the above globalist progressive world man made government drive concerning'
1/ guaranted universal and world conquest as per active prophecy in fulfillment;
2/ Kingdom impending completion;
3/ temple completion
4/Final ministry of'two witnesess" final sovereign warning and Mesianic Kingdom ultimatum
5/ Lat war with God and Christ at Armagedon-complete destruction of man and satan war against true Kingdom of God
be continue
abour FINAL MINISTRY
Great!!!

I'll hold my breath in anticipation.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#31819 Jul 11, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Gary wrote:
"And Jesus answered and said unto them, This is THE WORK OF GOD THAT YOU BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT." John 6:29
Saban, do you believe this fact?
New Age writes:
How is this a fact?
Do you have evidence to support your specific knowledge of what "God" can or cannot do?
If you had any little bit of honesty in yourself, you would admit it truthfully, that you DON'T.
Why do you try to mislead others in a false belief and doctrine?
Christianity divides.
Christianity doesn't divide. The deceiver divides. The deciever uses people who think their "Christians" to do his bidding.
The greatest deceit is for Satan to make people that are unsafe in their Salvation feel safe in their Salvation while they attempt to lead others down the same wrong path with Satan. Many unsuspecting sincere souls honestly thinking they are doing God's will actually become tools for Satan, just as Saul of Tarsus was at one time.

There are so many teachings in the NT about avoiding false teachers. The only way to know a false teacher is to compare their teaching to the scriptures. Many think they are safe and on the correct road and "Christians" but they are not:
Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.."

Satan divides. Not Christians.
1 Corinthians 1:13
Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul?

BIBLE TRUE JEHOVA

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#31820 Jul 11, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Great!!!
I'll hold my breath in anticipation.
HOLDING BREATH OR NOT DOESN'T CHANGE UNFOLDING FACTS AND DESTRUCTIONS FROM OUTSIDE WHOLE ORGANIZE RELIGION (BTG) political powers,finaces and sick devil spirit dreamers of NWO
----------
better to breath reguraly,because holding breat can cause you damge and death without of any chance of survive or be saved

so breath deep,regulary, and read or print my handsom truthful posts
..........

NEXT IS REAL THING

God's kingdom is also making snnoucement during the above globalist progresive world government drive concerning

1.guaranted universal and world conquest as per active prophecy in fulfillment
2/Kingdom impending completion
3/ Temple completion
4/Final ministry of 2 witnesses final sovereign warning and Mesianic Kingdom ultimatum

5/Final war with god and Christ in destructive ARMAGEDON

final ministry

All these features and much more related world developmental and prophetci detail will be going into climax culmination in both God's kingdom and 8 th King globalist world government at the same time as foretold over the final prophetic sequence fulfilling while it is being procalimed

The truth becomes the convincing basis of the actual final of world religions and influenced by Globalists cult of JW playing main role of new religion during globalistic rulers for short period time befoe Armagedon

Man of lawlesness residing today among them this JW cult will be expulsion of destruction of babilon great and expulsion of 2/3 criminal element in JW organization(Rev 8-11.Zechariah 3)

THE ENTILE FINAL SEQUENCE BEGINS WITH JW"HOUSE" JUDGEMENT SIGNAL INDICITING A DIVINE PROPHETIC REPLICATION HAS BEGAN (1 Peter 4;17

will be continue;
THE STARTING SIGNAL" EARTHLY TEMPLE JUDGEMENT"
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Gary

Buffalo, NY

#31821 Jul 11, 2013
Hi Saban:

In Ezek. 28:15 this is not referring to man kind being perfect when born in all his ways this was referring TO Lucifer WHO FELL AND BECAME SATAN READ Isa. 14, he is also depected as the king of Babylon. Also read Ezek. 28:14 He was talking about Satan who was the anointed Cherub, this is not even referring to mankind. This is the problem when one takes a verse out of it's context sad to say.

This is what happens when the churches takes verses out of there context.

1- Fact if all babies are born perfect this would mean one can lose eternal salvation how then can it be called eternal if one can lose it?

2- Fact, this would also mean one can be saved and lose it again and again.

3- Fact, when God destroyed the whole world with a flood were there babies under the judgment of God also?

Fact- God tells us very plainly that He chose the one whom He will have mercy on before they were even born it was already finished by God the test is, will we believe God or man's teaching?

"As it is written Jacob have I loved, But Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? GOD FORBID.

You see unsaved mankind truly hates the true gospel that God alone is all sovergin fact! The reason, it stirps man's pride and they will not have this and this is why they will never be able to answer those verses I have shared so what they will do is show their true colors and lash out and slander and show their hate and contempt for the word. Now no matter how plain God shows mankind this truth they will never see it because it is spiritual so they will lash out not at me but those verses I have shared.

5- Fact- before you were even born God already decided who will be saved listen to see just how plain God makes Himself.

"For the children being not born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, NOT OF THE WORKS OF MAN, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH:" Romans 9:11-21.

Religious unsaved mankind will try to twist the plain teaching of God to fit what they want in what kind of man made salvation they want. This is why they never talk about the hunderds of words in God's word like, elect, election, chose, chosen, predesinate, called, ordain, and many more they will never do a word study to see just how much God says concerning the way He saves not man the reason being they will not look those words up and if they do they will see they are arguing with God not with the person showing God's word for he is just a witness of His word that's all he can do in love and out of true concern show them truth but God must give them ears to hear what the spirit saith.

Question, where in the Bible does it state that John was a [one time exception] Again, all this was cooked up by the churches it does not say any such thing in the word as this, the fact is, this is how God saves by His word and His Spirit if you be a child in the womb or one like the thief on the cross dying God saved the one in his last breath of life. Faith must come by hearing the word of God, John heard the word. Those verses cannot be disputed this is why the churches stay away from them. Gary
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
I do believe in its conclusion. I do not agree with you that babies are born with a corrupt nature, and are born depraved and, by definition, are in a “lost” state with the only way for babies to be saved is for them to be one of the elect—a predetermined few whom God arbitrarily decided to save while condemning all others. Hence, free will not entering into the question of salvation.
Any verses you may use to say otherwise are not being used. He meant that prior to him becoming subject to the law, he was not guilty of any sin. He continued:“I was alive once without the law
Ezekiel 28:15
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
Matthew 18:3
.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31822 Jul 11, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi Saban:
In Ezek. 28:15 this is not referring to man kind being perfect when born in all his ways this was referring TO Lucifer WHO FELL AND BECAME SATAN READ Isa. 14, he is also depected as the king of Babylon. Also read Ezek. 28:14 He was talking about Satan who was the anointed Cherub, this is not even referring to mankind. This is the problem when one takes a verse out of it's context sad to say.
This is what happens when the churches takes verses out of there context.
1- Fact if all babies are born perfect this would mean one can lose eternal salvation how then can it be called eternal if one can lose it?
2- Fact, this would also mean one can be saved and lose it again and again.
3- Fact, when God destroyed the whole world with a flood were there babies under the judgment of God also?
Fact- God tells us very plainly that He chose the one whom He will have mercy on before they were even born it was already finished by God the test is, will we believe God or man's teaching?
"As it is written Jacob have I loved, But Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? GOD FORBID.
You see unsaved mankind truly hates the true gospel that God alone is all sovergin fact! The reason, it stirps man's pride and they will not have this and this is why they will never be able to answer those verses I have shared so what they will do is show their true colors and lash out and slander and show their hate and contempt for the word. Now no matter how plain God shows mankind this truth they will never see it because it is spiritual so they will lash out not at me but those verses I have shared.
5- Fact- before you were even born God already decided who will be saved listen to see just how plain God makes Himself.
"For the children being not born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, NOT OF THE WORKS OF MAN, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH:" Romans 9:11-21.
Religious unsaved mankind will try to twist the plain teaching of God to fit what they want in what kind of man made salvation they want. This is why they never talk about the hunderds of words in God's word like, elect, election, chose, chosen, predesinate, called, ordain, and many more they will never do a word study to see just how much God says concerning the way He saves not man the reason being they will not look those words up and if they do they will see they are arguing with God not with the person showing God's word for he is just a witness of His word that's all he can do in love and out of true concern show them truth but God must give them ears to hear what the spirit saith.
Question, where in the Bible does it state that John was a [one time exception] Again, all this was cooked up by the churches it does not say any such thing in the word as this, the fact is, this is how God saves by His word and His Spirit if you be a child in the womb or one like the thief on the cross dying God saved the one in his last breath of life. Faith must come by hearing the word of God, John heard the word. Those verses cannot be disputed this is why the churches stay away from them. Gary
<quoted text>
Why do you claim speculative writings as fact?

Please post the evidence to support these so-called facts you claim:

"1- Fact if all babies are born perfect this would mean one can lose eternal salvation"

"2- Fact, this would also mean one can be saved and lose it again and again."

"3- Fact, when God destroyed the whole world"

"Fact- God tells us very plainly that He chose the one whom He will have mercy on before they were even born it was already finished by God the test is"

You are confusing belief with fact.

Learn the difference.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#31823 Jul 11, 2013
Hi Saban:

I am sorry but none of those verses The I shared with you were explained. I explained most of your verses in some detail and showed you why babies are not all born saved. Maybe the best thing to do is just take one verse and show me like you did in, Ezek. 28:15 as your proof text why all babies die saved. I have shown you in, Ezek. 28:15 that in it's context it is very easy to see it is not even referring to man but to Satan and he was perfect in all his ways until iniquity was found in him, this is why I asked you to do a cross reference to this in, Isa. 14:12-15

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer son of the morning! How art cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I WILL ascend into heaven, I WILL exalt my throne above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I WILL be ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit." Saban this is why I asked you to read the ontext in Ezek. 28:13-15 to see it could not be referring to a baby of any kind.

Saban, there is another [I WILL] which I will do you believe? The I WILL that Satan had said He wanted to rule in the concergations right from the start according to these verses and in Rev. 2 and 3 we can see he did for the most part. Satan [I WILL] was based on his pride.

SATAN COMES AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT AND HIS MINISTERS AND MINISNTERS OF RIGHTEOUNESS WHO'E END SHALL BE ACCODEING TO THEIR WORKS. 2 COR 11-15.

Satan wants people to get caught up in man's will Satan is getting many by using the very same thing that made him fall from heaven and is giving the same sprit to mankind by saying listen how subtle Satan come,[I WILL ACCEPT JESUS TODAY] SAME SPIRIT WHAT MAE SATAN FALL HE IS USING TO MAKE MOST FALL TODAY WITH THE I WILL] HAVE IT YOUR WAY SELF HELP PRIDFUL TEACHING THAT SOUNDS SO NICE.

However, there is another [I WILL] which one do you believe?

For He saith to Moses, I WILL have mercy on whom I WILL have mercy, and I WILL have compassion on whom I WILL have compassion. So it is NOT OF HIM THAT WILLETH, NOR OF HIM THAT RUNNETH, BUT OF GOD THAT SHEWETH MERCY." Romans 9:15-6

You see just how many times God said [I WILL] however, it is an altogether different [I WILL] than Satan. However, the very real sad fact is, Satan has most people believing his [I WILL] they have a gospel that is all built on the pride and work of man.

God tells us we must become like little children to enter into the kingdom of God, He did not say all children are saved no way we must have the same child like faith as a child when my Son was young I took him in a 12 foot pool he was just 5 years and I had him go off the diving board and I told him to jump in, he said, dad, it is to deep I said trust me I will catch you and he just jumped in.

When God saves us we become [born again] just like a little child and we trust when God says, You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you and ordained you,,"John 15:16 God tells us before we were even born He chosen one that the purpose of God according to ELECTION might stand NOT OF WORKS, but of Him that CALLETH," Rom. 9:11

Saban, do you believe these truth's as a child would believe?

Saban, I asked you if you done a word study on words such as, Chose, chosen, predesinate, ordain, called, elect, election. You can do a complete word study of these words if you have for example a Strong's concordance which is a great assist to help to see just how God defines His own words. All these words I have shown shows without any doubt that God must do all the saving from a child and on up. There is not two salvation plans it was always from faith to faith the word declares and faith comes by hearing the word. Thank you. Gary
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
My answer to this post is located in my previous post.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#31824 Jul 11, 2013
Hi New:

I am sorry but your confusing your logic with child like faith in the word of God. I would rather trust God's word any day than in what I believe God should be. The Bible is not a logical book it is a spiritual book read, 1 Cor.2:10-16, this may help you and if you have any questions concerning those verses I will try to answer if I could Lord willing. Again, thank you. Gary
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you claim speculative writings as fact?
Please post the evidence to support these so-called facts you claim:
"1- Fact if all babies are born perfect this would mean one can lose eternal salvation"
"2- Fact, this would also mean one can be saved and lose it again and again."
"3- Fact, when God destroyed the whole world"
"Fact- God tells us very plainly that He chose the one whom He will have mercy on before they were even born it was already finished by God the test is"
You are confusing belief with fact.
Learn the difference.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#31825 Jul 11, 2013
BIBLE TRUE JEHOVA wrote:
<quoted text>
HOLDING BREATH OR NOT DOESN'T CHANGE UNFOLDING FACTS AND DESTRUCTIONS FROM OUTSIDE WHOLE ORGANIZE RELIGION (BTG) political powers,finaces and sick devil spirit dreamers of NWO
----------
better to breath reguraly,because holding breat can cause you damge and death without of any chance of survive or be saved
so breath deep,regulary, and read or print my handsom truthful posts
..........
NEXT IS REAL THING
God's kingdom is also making snnoucement during the above globalist progresive world government drive concerning
1.guaranted universal and world conquest as per active prophecy in fulfillment
2/Kingdom impending completion
3/ Temple completion
4/Final ministry of 2 witnesses final sovereign warning and Mesianic Kingdom ultimatum
5/Final war with god and Christ in destructive ARMAGEDON
final ministry
All these features and much more related world developmental and prophetci detail will be going into climax culmination in both God's kingdom and 8 th King globalist world government at the same time as foretold over the final prophetic sequence fulfilling while it is being procalimed
The truth becomes the convincing basis of the actual final of world religions and influenced by Globalists cult of JW playing main role of new religion during globalistic rulers for short period time befoe Armagedon
Man of lawlesness residing today among them this JW cult will be expulsion of destruction of babilon great and expulsion of 2/3 criminal element in JW organization(Rev 8-11.Zechariah 3)
THE ENTILE FINAL SEQUENCE BEGINS WITH JW"HOUSE" JUDGEMENT SIGNAL INDICITING A DIVINE PROPHETIC REPLICATION HAS BEGAN (1 Peter 4;17
will be continue;
THE STARTING SIGNAL" EARTHLY TEMPLE JUDGEMENT"
----------
Sorry. I'm not buying any of that paranoid fantasy. The Bible truthfully predicts nothing tangible.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#31826 Jul 11, 2013
Hi Saban:

I am sorry but I am not talking what Calvin believes or any man for that matter, those verses I have shared were from God Himself they are all God breathed in the literal Greek that is how 2 Tim. 3:16 renders the KJV was good but the original gives even more force to the word [inspiration] people can weaken the force behind this word for example, one can say, Saban I was just inspired to talk to this person or write this book or whatever. However, you will not hear them say, Saban, I was God breathed to tell you this or write this book. You see all not some of the scriptures but ALL is God breathed in it's original text.

1- Our salvation is in no way in his personal acceptance, man kind will always chose to do bad there is not one that doeth good no not one! Romans 3:1012. Many hate this biblical fact.

2- Mankind has no free will to accept the Lord because He is born in sins fact, Eph. 2:1, Romans 3:10-12 All have sinned and come short of the glory of God fact.

3- A DEAD SPIRITUAL MAN HAS NO FREE WILL FROM THE VERY WOMB

"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go ASTRAY AS SOON AS THEY BE BORN, SPEAKING LIES." Psalm 58:3

These are not my words Saban they are from God Himself the test is, will God grant ONE REPENTACE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THESE TRUTH;S, 2 Tim. 2:25-26.

Saban, just because some man came to the same truth as many others as this man Calvin it does not surprise me because truth is truth.

Saban, as I said before concerning the two different [I WILL] one is from Satan without doubt in Isa. 14. and the other is from God in, Romans 9:16-17 the big test is this, will we follow what the churches teach or what God's word declares? The is the HUGE test for all of us. Most churches teach we can accept God,[ I WILL] be like the most High same spirit as from Satan full of pride. I did not come with my own logic or take a verse out of context or made some exuse saying this is just for this one exception no way there was never two different salvation plans of God and what many of these churches will do is twist the word to suite there [ I WIL] doctrine. The saddest thing to see on that last day is one thinking he was saved based on what man said or his church and to find out he was scammed, God tells us that MANY SHALL SAY TO HIM ON THE LAST DAY, LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT DECLARED YOUR WORD? HAVE WE NOT CAST OUT DEVILS? HAVE WE NOT DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? GOD WILL TELL THESE DEAR LOST SOULS TO DEPART FROM HIM I NEVER KNEW YOU, YOU THE WORK WICKEDNESS MATTEW 7:22-23.. PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU. GARY

Saban fan wrote:
Gary,
As a general answer to the Calvinist doctrine (Predestination / Unconditional Election / Total Depravity) to which you have subscribed, I would suggest you consider the following:
The Scriptures are the inspired word of God (1 Thes. 2:13; 2 Tim. 3:16-17). Coming, then, from Jehovah as the ultimate source, they do not contradict themselves; instead, they are perfectly harmonious (Dt. 32:4; 1 Cor. 14:33a). When one encounters a passage, therefore, that may appear to conflict with plain-spoken texts contained elsewhere in Scripture, he must look carefully at the more obscure text and determine if there is a reasonable way to bring it into harmony with the other.
No sacred text must be viewed in any way that would negate the following fundamental truths:
(1) Man has been granted free will (Mt. 23:37b; Jn. 5:39; 7:17; Rev. 22:17).
(2) His salvation is dependent upon his personal acceptance of divine grace, in obedience to the requirements of the gospel of Christ (2 Thes. 1:7-9; Heb. 5:8-9; 1 Pet. 4:17).
To suggest that God, before the world’s foundation, chose certain ones to be saved, and others to be lost, independent of a personal reception of truth, is a doctrine that cannot be sustained by the Scriptures — regardless of the number of sincere people who subscribe
(Cont.)

BIBLE TRUE JEHOVA

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#31828 Jul 11, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi Saban:
I am sorry but I am not talking what Calvin believes or any man for that matter, those verses I have shared were from God Himself they are all God breathed in the literal Greek that is how 2 Tim. 3:16 renders the KJV was good but the original gives even more force to the word [inspiration] people can weaken the force behind this word for example, one can say, Saban I was just inspired to talk to this person or write this book or whatever. However, you will not hear them say, Saban, I was God breathed to tell you this or write this book. You see all not some of the scriptures but ALL is God breathed in it's original text.
1- Our salvation is in no way in his personal acceptance, man kind will always chose to do bad there is not one that doeth good no not one! Romans 3:1012. Many hate this biblical fact.
2- Mankind has no free will to accept the Lord because He is born in sins fact, Eph. 2:1, Romans 3:10-12 All have sinned and come short of the glory of God fact.
3- A DEAD SPIRITUAL MAN HAS NO FREE WILL FROM THE VERY WOMB
"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go ASTRAY AS SOON AS THEY BE BORN, SPEAKING LIES." Psalm 58:3
These are not my words Saban they are from God Himself the test is, will God grant ONE REPENTACE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THESE TRUTH;S, 2 Tim. 2:25-26.
Saban, just because some man came to the same truth as many others as this man Calvin it does not surprise me because truth is truth.
Saban, as I said before concerning the two different [I WILL] one is from Satan without doubt in Isa. 14. and the other is from God in, Romans 9:16-17 the big test is this, will we follow what the churches teach or what God's word declares? The is the HUGE test for all of us. Most churches teach we can accept God,[ I WILL] be like the most High same spirit as from Satan full of pride. I did not come with my own logic or take a verse out of context or made some exuse saying this is just for this one exception no way there was never two different salvation plans of God and what many of these churches will do is twist the word to suite there [ I WIL] doctrine. The saddest thing to see on that last day is one thinking he was saved based on what man said or his church and to find out he was scammed, God tells us that MANY SHALL SAY TO HIM ON THE LAST DAY, LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT DECLARED YOUR WORD? HAVE WE NOT CAST OUT DEVILS? HAVE WE NOT DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? GOD WILL TELL THESE DEAR LOST SOULS TO DEPART FROM HIM I NEVER KNEW YOU, YOU THE WORK WICKEDNESS MATTEW 7:22-23.. PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU. GARY
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agree gary
Quoted Biblical passages and accuse others of calvinistic doctrines is simple nonsense and lack of biblical education,those blind souls doesn't know what they are talking about

Total depravation of human race is from the first sin of Adam,and nobody is able to buy from their own efforts forgiveness from God and Gods Grace
this is free Gift given by God according to His own pleasure,Own Purpose,Own Will and predestined names written in the book of Lamb slain before foundation of this world REV 13;8

May God always bless you

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#31829 Jul 11, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi Saban:
I am sorry but I am not talking what Calvin believes or any man for that matter, those verses I have shared were from God Himself they are all God breathed in the literal Greek that is how 2 Tim. 3:16 renders the KJV was good but the original gives even more force to the word [inspiration] people can weaken the force behind this word for example, one can say, Saban I was just inspired to talk to this person or write this book or whatever. However, you will not hear them say, Saban, I was God breathed to tell you this or write this book. You see all not some of the scriptures but ALL is God breathed in it's original text.
1- Our salvation is in no way in his personal acceptance, man kind will always chose to do bad there is not one that doeth good no not one! Romans 3:1012. Many hate this biblical fact.
2- Mankind has no free will to accept the Lord because He is born in sins fact, Eph. 2:1, Romans 3:10-12 All have sinned and come short of the glory of God fact.
3- A DEAD SPIRITUAL MAN HAS NO FREE WILL FROM THE VERY WOMB
"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go ASTRAY AS SOON AS THEY BE BORN, SPEAKING LIES." Psalm 58:3
These are not my words Saban they are from God Himself the test is, will God grant ONE REPENTACE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THESE TRUTH;S, 2 Tim. 2:25-26.
Saban, just because some man came to the same truth as many others as this man Calvin it does not surprise me because truth is truth.
Saban, as I said before concerning the two different [I WILL] one is from Satan without doubt in Isa. 14. and the other is from God in, Romans 9:16-17 the big test is this, will we follow what the churches teach or what God's word declares? The is the HUGE test for all of us. Most churches teach we can accept God,[ I WILL] be like the most High same spirit as from Satan full of pride. I did not come with my own logic or take a verse out of context or made some exuse saying this is just for this one exception no way there was never two different salvation plans of God and what many of these churches will do is twist the word to suite there [ I WIL] doctrine. The saddest thing to see on that last day is one thinking he was saved based on what man said or his church and to find out he was scammed, God tells us that MANY SHALL SAY TO HIM ON THE LAST DAY, LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT DECLARED YOUR WORD? HAVE WE NOT CAST OUT DEVILS? HAVE WE NOT DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? GOD WILL TELL THESE DEAR LOST SOULS TO DEPART FROM HIM I NEVER KNEW YOU, YOU THE WORK WICKEDNESS MATTEW 7:22-23.. PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU. GARY
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God breathed huh? How about these lines.

those who are pure in their own eyes and yet are not cleansed of their filth;

All the tables are covered with vomit and there is not a spot without filth.

Her filthiness clung to her skirts; she did not consider her future.

I will pelt you with filth, I will treat you with contempt and make you a spectacle.

“‘Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.

He will spit out the riches he swallowed; God will make his stomach vomit them up.

You will vomit up the little you have eaten and will have wasted your compliments.

“Then tell them,‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.’

At least my Bible babble is somewhat amusing.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#31830 Jul 11, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Why do you claim speculative writings as fact?
Please post the evidence to support these so-called facts you claim:
"1- Fact if all babies are born perfect this would mean one can lose eternal salvation"
"2- Fact, this would also mean one can be saved and lose it again and again."
"3- Fact, when God destroyed the whole world"
"Fact- God tells us very plainly that He chose the one whom He will have mercy on before they were even born it was already finished by God the test is"
You are confusing belief with fact.
Learn the difference.
Gary wrote:
Hi New:
I am sorry but your confusing your logic with child like faith in the word of God. I would rather trust God's word any day than in what I believe God should be. The Bible is not a logical book it is a spiritual book read, 1 Cor.2:10-16, this may help you and if you have any questions concerning those verses I will try to answer if I could Lord willing. Again, thank you. Gary
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I can see you decided not to support your "facts", by simply diverting from them altogether.

Avoiding the truth will not bring you to the truth.

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