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“The Final Sacrifice”

Since: Feb 13

Be Blessed

#30571 Mar 25, 2013
Gary wrote:
Thank you. Gary
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Check this out Gary:

Apostasy in the church and false doctrines of men

By Don Koenig

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/Apo...

Who is a Christian?

There are two billion people on the earth who identify themselves as Christians, but there are significantly fewer that are really part of the body of Christ.

Jesus said you can not enter the kingdom of heaven unless you are born of the Spirit. The new birth from the Holy Spirit occurs when a person truly believes that Jesus is the son of God and trusts in the finished work of Jesus on the cross to atone for their own sins and to justify them before God.

The scriptures say you are saved by faith, not by your own works, lest anyone should boast.

We cannot judge if a person who identifies with Christianity is really trusting in Christ or in their religion to save them. If they are trusting in their religion to save them they are no more part of the body of Christ than a Jew or Moslem or any other religion.

Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus. This relationship does not depend on having all the correct theology but correct theology will result in more fruitful Christianity.

Conclusion on apostasy in the Church

The scripture says that there will be a great falling away from the true faith in the last days. It says men will not endure sound doctrine but will have itching ears and will heap to themselves teachers that will fulfill their own lusts. We are in those days where many in the church are following doctrines of men rather than the Bible. There are almost two billion people who identify with Christianity on the earth today but how many are truly the bride of Christ? Jesus asked, when He returns will He find faith on the earth? The answer for most of the world is no. For those who identify with Christianity it is yes and no. Many today have only empty religion and not real faith in the Savior.

My best guess is a tithe (ten percent) of those who identify with Christianity are actually born of the Spirit and will go at the time of the rapture.(It could be more -- only God knows.) If my guess is correct the ninety percent of carnal Christians that stay will hardly miss them. Those that stay will remain in the apostate harlot church (Rev 17) and experience the great tribulation where they will have a choice to follow Jesus and lose their lives or follow Satan and lose their soul.

*CJB*

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#30572 Mar 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Hi Jusayin....thanks for reading my posts.
I've said this before, and I will say it again....I can't change anyone. If I have enlightened anyone, then it is their own doing, by either utilizing what I have said, and then sought out the answers or chose to accept my beliefs just by my post. If they've done the latter, then they really haven't done anything.
My feelings exactly. I appreciate the response.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#30573 Mar 25, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>No. I was wondering what positive, moral attributes you might have that didn't derive from a religion, or philosophy?
I think most of what they would be are be kind to others, pay it forward, help out others when they need it, send a smile to a stranger everyday, give a toy a child and see the real wonder of happiness and joy, and many others. You and many people have these traits. It is just many don't pay no mind to them, and they only come out when 'they have to'. I try to do it everyday.

But my story isn't the topic, huh?
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Our anointed Savior taught the same thing-- that no man (other than him) originated in the spirit-realm.
You must forget - "we are all children of God". There is not one of us who is more important than another. Only men have instilled this characteristic.

IMO - you are incorrect. But that could be because you only have accepted the NT and nothing more by Jesus.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, that's untrue. The concept of any so-called "after-life," as a biblical concept, takes place after two resurrections. The first involves those whom are called "the elect." The second involves all else.
The second resurrection initiates what's called "Judgment Day." After this, only those found worthy will be granted everlasting life. Those of the first resurrection will remain in the spirit-realm. Those of the second resurrection will return and reside on this renewed earth. Prior to these resurrections, though, none that have died have any consciousness of being dead, whatsoever.
I agree that even Christendom has adopted an "instant after-life after death" concept from paganism. And this concept derives not only from paganism, but a gross misunderstanding of several biblical passages. In reality, though, the bible does not teach this.
Many ancient cultures have a "step" program to enlightenment. Early scholars had to go through 11 levels. One could also posit that the "chosen" are those who look for the enlightenment. The "elect" could be those of the "chosen" who have managed to take it to the next level and understand the mystical, ethereal, esoteric, and spiritual, then of those "elected" there is only one more step to make, pure love....not your "God", my Father.

So yes, I disagree to some extant, but also agree that only we make those choices to take those steps.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. Except...
I don't agree with unifying the bible with religion as much as we can unify religion with the bible. I, personally, adhere to the biblical principles, but I'm also not associated with any of our modern religions or philosophies.
Yeah!!+1 on our side.

:o)
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>I can't agree with this, even though our religions and philosophies have failed, miserably, toward creating indivisible unity.
Religion causes division.'nough said.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>In my studies, I've found a most troubling fact. This fact is-- Without a foundation, mankind will forever remain divided. And the reason for this is because up until now, every individual has their own concepts of love, respect, compassion, so forth and so on. Because of this, we're forever doomed to offend others. And offenses cause divisions and wars.
How true - that is where honesty of one's Self plays an important role. If we were all to "think before we act" and understand the 'bad things' that could occur, we can avoid the bad, by choosing a different path to follow, and yet continue on the previous path's goal. It really isn't hard to do, if one lives in it he moment, instead of a predetermined one.

“The Final Sacrifice”

Since: Feb 13

Be Blessed

#30575 Mar 25, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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excelent biblical true view of spiritual reality?
I agree with your post,
you are second to whom I do have spiritual respect and sympathy
God bless you C
TRUE BORN AGAIN IS BORN FROM DIRECT PERSONAL INTERVENTION OF GODS SPIRIT TO THE HEART OF SINGLE HUMAN ,ROM 8;16-17
Thank you. And the same to you.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#30576 Mar 25, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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never forget
that chrisitnity was hijacked 2000 years ago by satan and his pagan roman slaves conquering whole world and dreamed to be rulers of this world,like today illuminaties dreams about NEW WORLD ORDER and 8th King who is going to be their ruler from Jerusalem
many deceived christians and believers believe that 1000 literal years is going to be established by Jesus Christ entering today phisical Jerusalem
Bible doesn't teach such fables or Lies deceiving in this belief almost whole world
have good day
I know you are good open mind guy,
that is main reason I gave you web link about 9/11 and free american press,or revisionistic really truth what is going on on this earth
www.barnesreview.com
check this, you can learn a lot incredible truths covered by faken media of this controled by evil sharks world
I would say it simply evolved. Religion is a powerful force. I like the Agape thing. It looks like people have fun. I wouldn't read so much into the Bible. Take the concept of Armageddon. Imagine any group of people who are persecuted by bullies. For example, the Holocaust victims in WWII Germany. Stalin's victims also. How about all the people in Iraq who suffered under Saddam and then got bombed by the United States? How about napalm victims in Viet Nam? How about drive by victims shot by gangster thugs in the inner city? Armageddon happens over and over until people learn that violence is evil.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#30577 Mar 25, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
excelent biblical true view of spiritual reality?
I agree with your post,
you are second to whom I do have spiritual respect and sympathy
God bless you C
TRUE BORN AGAIN IS BORN FROM DIRECT PERSONAL INTERVENTION OF GODS SPIRIT TO THE HEART OF SINGLE HUMAN ,ROM 8;16-17
Let me ask you this? Have you actually had a born again experience? I reached a point in my life where I was so down and out that I thought of killing myself. Not even being a person of God I cried out to God in desperation. I started to hear a tiny voice in the wilderness telling me what to do. My life changed drastically. Yes it had parallels to Paul's experiences but it was much different than quoting the Bible per se.

Blessings be bro.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#30581 Mar 25, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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Har mageddon in ancient hebrew language means somethind global event in one time on the whole globe so called HAR MAGEDDON
what is happen around the world is happen only in the local remote countries
but description of Armageddon is global complete desctruction where is not human winner at all
13000 years of wicked mankind gave simple Universal DeEP SPACE PROFF, that humans are not able to take proper life care of other humans
by killing each other,hate each other,divisions, broken spiritual lifes,atheism,wars responsible is humankind at firt WORLDWIDE CHURCHES BEFORE GOD,AND BEHIND THEM VICIOUS GOVERMENTS SERVING SPIRIT MASTER DECEIVER,AND MASTER OF ALL DESTRUCTIONS NOT ONLY THIS EARTH AND HUMAN LIFE
Then we need the Jesus being to come into each and every person and things will gradually change right? Suppose the second coming is the coming of the Holy Spirit and God Head into every individual? That would make a big difference IMHO.

I somewhat agree with you and would add destruction of all sentient beings as well as humans. Somehow, the lower beings will fare better assuming we don't wise up in time.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#30582 Mar 25, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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I was political prisoner overseas early 1979 thies and employe of BND and ....
with sentence of all toigether 7 years,
during work in the inmates kitchen heavy winter time with - 40 C that heating system was frozen
I was seating on the window and look at dark blue frozen sky,
my life was like 4 walls dark on the front,back eft right,and hate against sysytem opressing human freedom
at same time I asked?
do you exist God?if so let me know you?
I cried like babe, after few minutes at 1976 I experience something incredible dark life nonsense dissapear and came somehow heavenly dreaam to be there and to listen those not explanable words to me?
next day 1976 imprisoned for refusing military JW brought to my Bible,without f any reason he gave me Bible(strickly forbidden in overseas prisons)
I read Bible like conversation with somone from outer space,
after releasing I join JW at 1976 because my error ,JW gave me Bible,I assumed JW are only ones who knows God
But I saw many errors among JW, blamed only on humans,
I join misionary work as JW,and argues with leaders of JW about Bible and law from Bible allow me to step down from JW at 2006 in Germany
I STICK ONLY TO BIBLE,AS CODEX OF MY MORAL LAW, AND LIVING HOPE OF HIGH CALL AS BORN AGAIN AT 1976 BY DIRECT POWER OF ABOVE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD
JW mocked me for this all the time,today my brothers familyrejected me as unbeliever and apostate
but it doesn't matter
I know in my long life journey my narrow living road.and fulfilments of Such journey described at Psalm 107;1-14,
15/ OH THAT MEN MOULD PRAISE THE YAHVEH FOR HIS GOODNESS,AND FOR HIS WONDERFUL WORKS TO THE CHILDREN OF MEN!
I personaly reject any teachings of man and leading me by erthly man to Bible,
At first I do calmly reject,if someone doesn't understand and force their fable teachings of man to me,this person receive harsh rebuke, or spit,or adversary remarks,or kick their a....
esspecialy those who guote Bible passaages against me calling me brother, or associated with them(I am not associated with anyone, nor am brother of this teacher who claim to have right to insult me or accuse or judge,or rebuke me-heck with all those earthly greedy fake teachers and churches)
there exist not earthly way,the truth or churches gates or priests or scholars to enter THRONE OF MERCY,ONLY THROUGHT JESUS CHRIST JOHN 14;6
also earthly religions,preachers,teachers, and man made doctrines are contaminated by devil spirit and miss true salvation
sorry for my foreign english,
but WW stick only only with Bible and prayer to GOD FOR HIS GUIDANCE TO BE TRULY SAVED ONLY BY HIM . JOHN 14;26-27
maybe next time I post more about this spiritual daily reality and High Call without of any human Quidance
God bless you WW
Wow! Thanks for sharing that. May I call you friend?

God bless you too bro. Peace be with you always.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#30584 Mar 26, 2013
Hi Lee:

My point was who elects him? Does he elect himself? No, that would not be called election someone else has to elect him the same goes with salvation God has to call us and He has to elect us. Gary
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, the vocation is given to those that run for election, on their own accord. A person can't be elected without first applying for the position.
<quoted text>That's aggravating that you continue to declare that I've not done word-studies, but you have.
<quoted text>Once again, you've repeated yourself without even an attempt at addressing my post of Romans 9. Well, between the two of us, only I've shared an explanation of what Romans 9 means by comparing spiritual with spiritual. All you've done was quote the verses and without explanation. That's not good enough.
<quoted text>Yeah. Because people get so upset when they hear that "God" has it all under control without their help. Yeah. I'm sure people get so offended to hear that.
<quoted text>And Paul was referring, specifically, to Jacob and Esau. Not everybody. I explained that in my post. You haven't.
<quoted text>That doesn't prove that the elect are every believer. Here's a question for you.
In the parable of the wedding-feast, at Matthew 22, our anointed Savior mentions guests that are to attend the feast and observe the wedding. The servants were sent out to gather, first, those bidden to attend. After them, they were sent out to gather as many as they could find to attend the wedding-feast.
QUESTION: If the bride-groom is our anointed Savior and the Church is his bride, then who are the servants and guests?
__________
The Great Wedding-Feast Attendance
King - Father Yahoweh
Bride-groom - Our anointed Savior
Bride - Church
Servants -
Guests -
__________
Fill in the blanks, please and if you will.

“The Final Sacrifice”

Since: Feb 13

Be Blessed

#30585 Mar 26, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me ask you this? Have you actually had a born again experience? I reached a point in my life where I was so down and out that I thought of killing myself. Not even being a person of God I cried out to God in desperation. I started to hear a tiny voice in the wilderness telling me what to do. My life changed drastically. Yes it had parallels to Paul's experiences but it was much different than quoting the Bible per se.
Blessings be bro.
You didn't ask me but I'll answer since it differs from most here. Although I have followed Christ all my life, about 12 years ago I was nearly dead and in endless pain and had no wish to continue in the hopeless situation and suffering. It happened in the blink of an eye without me praying or feeling spiritual any connections at all during that difficult time. I was alone. The following month was unbelievable. I could not put the Bible down to even sleep for quite some time. I was starving for His manna. I was even put on major TV during my health crisis. Churches were asking me to give my "testimony" although I hadn't said a word to anyone, it was so notable I was nearly aglow and brought back from the dead. Even though I was not healed from my disease and health issues I went into remission and resumed my life.

Yes, I compare it to the enlightenment of Saul also. Being a "Christian" is simply not enough. That is of man. We must be filled with His Spirit, and that certainly was the most notable experience of my life, and not by request. He comes to us first.

>^o^<

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#30586 Mar 26, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi Lee:
My point was who elects him? Does he elect himself? No, that would not be called election someone else has to elect him the same goes with salvation God has to call us and He has to elect us. Gary
Shalowm, Gary.

And my point was that the vocation was already established and made available even before and whether or not anyone applied for the position. A person, however, has to make themselves available in order to be elected and to fulfill the vocation. And the vocation would remain vacant unless one, first, applied for the position, or the ruling class persuaded someone.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#30587 Mar 26, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi Lee:
My point was who elects him? Does he elect himself? No, that would not be called election someone else has to elect him the same goes with salvation God has to call us and He has to elect us. Gary
Oh, yeah. You forgot to answer my questions. Here they are again. And keep in mind that my illustration is not based on how I believe, but on how you believe. With that being said...

In the parable of the wedding-feast, at Matthew 22, our anointed Savior mentions guests that are to attend the feast and observe the wedding. The servants were sent out to gather, first, those bidden to attend. After them, they were sent out to gather as many as they could find to attend the wedding-feast.

QUESTION: If the bride-groom is our anointed Savior and the Church is his bride, then who are the servants and guests?
__________

The Great Wedding-Feast Attendance

King - Father Yahoweh
Bride-groom - Our anointed Savior
Bride - Church
Servants -
Guests -
__________

Fill in the blanks, please and if you will.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#30588 Mar 26, 2013
Hi Hhappy:

Yes, very good! Sad to see the corporate church that names the name of the Lord Jesus Christ fall away into a differnt gospel. However, as you know the word warns us that this will take place, God warns us in, 1 Peter 4:17, that judgment first must begin in the house of God and if it begin there how much sorer shall it be for those who do not obey the gospel of Christ?

We see the great falling away as in, 2 Tim. 4:16 in the churches coming up with a works gospel that is built on what self can do. This is like a man that builds his house on sand it will never stand the test of the judgment of God. Again,thank you for your input. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15
Happy Easter Sock wrote:
<quoted text>
Check this out Gary:
Apostasy in the church and false doctrines of men
By Don Koenig
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/Apo...
Who is a Christian?
There are two billion people on the earth who identify themselves as Christians, but there are significantly fewer that are really part of the body of Christ.
Jesus said you can not enter the kingdom of heaven unless you are born of the Spirit. The new birth from the Holy Spirit occurs when a person truly believes that Jesus is the son of God and trusts in the finished work of Jesus on the cross to atone for their own sins and to justify them before God.
The scriptures say you are saved by faith, not by your own works, lest anyone should boast.
We cannot judge if a person who identifies with Christianity is really trusting in Christ or in their religion to save them. If they are trusting in their religion to save them they are no more part of the body of Christ than a Jew or Moslem or any other religion.
Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus. This relationship does not depend on having all the correct theology but correct theology will result in more fruitful Christianity.
Conclusion on apostasy in the Church
The scripture says that there will be a great falling away from the true faith in the last days. It says men will not endure sound doctrine but will have itching ears and will heap to themselves teachers that will fulfill their own lusts. We are in those days where many in the church are following doctrines of men rather than the Bible. There are almost two billion people who identify with Christianity on the earth today but how many are truly the bride of Christ? Jesus asked, when He returns will He find faith on the earth? The answer for most of the world is no. For those who identify with Christianity it is yes and no. Many today have only empty religion and not real faith in the Savior.
My best guess is a tithe (ten percent) of those who identify with Christianity are actually born of the Spirit and will go at the time of the rapture.(It could be more -- only God knows.) If my guess is correct the ninety percent of carnal Christians that stay will hardly miss them. Those that stay will remain in the apostate harlot church (Rev 17) and experience the great tribulation where they will have a choice to follow Jesus and lose their lives or follow Satan and lose their soul.
*CJB*
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#30589 Mar 26, 2013
Hi Lee:

Now you know the very fact is, I have asked you over and over most basic of questions such as this, are we born dead in sins? Eph 2:1. Rom. 3:10-12

I asked you do yoou believe the work of being [born again] is ALL the work of God or the work of man? You said it is ALL the work of God. However, your actions say it is all the work of man thus you void out the spirit of grace. We cannt have it both ways Lee either salvation is all of grace or all the work of man we cannot mix grace with works and this is just what your trying to do Lee.

Now I have tried to assisit you the best I can I have shown you your error when being [born again] is ALL the work of God in becoming saved this is what happens when one is born again Lee. As you rightly said, it is ALL the work of God in your past posts.

So Lee, if anyone is showing confusion here it is with your own comments I am sorry to say, how can I go any further when you do not deal with these most basic questions? I am trying to help you see the error in your conclusion you see it then you draw back on your conclusion because it gives God all the glory in the work of being [BORN AGAIN] Lee, if your not sure about this and your being tossed to and fro like a wave then please ask and I will be glad to help.

I will go back to the basic question again with you. Lee, do you believe being [born again] is ALL the work of God or the work of man?

Lee, you told me it was ALL the work of God do you still hold to this? You see this is what makes all this so confusing here. Thank you for your input. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>And as many times I correct you when you make such statements, it amazes me that you'll never address my assertions to show how I'm in error, but you'll continue to repeat the same things I continue to correct. Unbelievable.
Yes, I say "Paul" and "Peter," because regardless of the inspiration, these were still the authors. How do you reconcile 1Corinthians 7:12. This verse begins with Paul writing, "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord..." And how do you reconcile what's written at 2Corinthians 11:17? This says, "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting." So you understand better what Paul was saying in this verse, the "Aramaic Bible in Plain English" words it as such: "Everything that I speak, it is not by our Lord that I speak, but as in folly on this occasion of boasting."
How do reconcile these verses, Gary? But, regardless of whether it was Paul, Peter, or Father, people were still instructed to be diligent, to make their calling and election sure, if they wanted to. And once again, Gary...
2Peter 1:21
For the PROPHECY came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Prophecy, Gary. Not law. Not psalm. Not proverb. Not scripture. Not verse. Not gospel. Not epistle. Not letter. Prophecy, Gary. Prophecy. Now, I wonder how long it will be before you quote this verse again and erroneously exchange the term "prophecy" for "scripture"?
<quoted text>So far, I asked how you reconcile 1Corinthians 7:12 and 2Corinthians 11:17. Now, I'm asking how you reconcile Matthew 19:18? This says, "[Yahowshua] saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so." Now, are you telling me that our anointed Savior didn't know better than to give credit to Moses and not his own Father?!
<quoted text>So, was it Father, or Paul, that wrote to Timothy; "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine"? You're not picking and choosing what you'll adhere to and what not, are you?
<quoted text>I call the bible the "word of 'God'," too, Gary.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#30590 Mar 26, 2013
Hi Lee:

This was my main point, that is, God has to elect, chose, call, we do not elect our self do we? Yes, the gospel call goes out to all people to repent and believe the gospel Jesus said. However, we can see the only ones that will are those whom God has mercy on and elects this one and that one it means to chose to call to ordain and all this is the work of God. Lee, the Bible tells us that many are called but few are chosen many hear the gospel call but only those that are elected will come to Him on His terms. This is foundation Lee, elect never means I do this does it? No it most be done by someone else and in this case it all has to be done by God, you have not chosen Him Lee, He has to chose you. You have not accepted Him Lee, He has to accept us, Eph. 1:4-6 this is what God tells us that He has to accept us in the beloeved it is not the other way around the reason why is, we are all born dead spirituall Lee, Eph. 2:1, Romans 3:10-12. Gary
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Shalowm, Gary.
And my point was that the vocation was already established and made available even before and whether or not anyone applied for the position. A person, however, has to make themselves available in order to be elected and to fulfill the vocation. And the vocation would remain vacant unless one, first, applied for the position, or the ruling class persuaded someone.

“The Final Sacrifice”

Since: Feb 13

Be Blessed

#30591 Mar 26, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi Hhappy:
Yes, very good! Sad to see the corporate church that names the name of the Lord Jesus Christ fall away into a differnt gospel. However, as you know the word warns us that this will take place, God warns us in, 1 Peter 4:17, that judgment first must begin in the house of God and if it begin there how much sorer shall it be for those who do not obey the gospel of Christ?
We see the great falling away as in, 2 Tim. 4:16 in the churches coming up with a works gospel that is built on what self can do. This is like a man that builds his house on sand it will never stand the test of the judgment of God. Again,thank you for your input. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15
<quoted text>
{{{HUGS}}} Gary!! We'll always agree on much. Love to see you posting. Hope I find the time soon to quit responding to posts hit and miss. I apologize to all for that. I take the shortest ones that really hit the spot at the moment. God Bless!! CB

>^o^<

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#30592 Mar 26, 2013
Happy Easter Sock wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't ask me but I'll answer since it differs from most here. Although I have followed Christ all my life, about 12 years ago I was nearly dead and in endless pain and had no wish to continue in the hopeless situation and suffering. It happened in the blink of an eye without me praying or feeling spiritual any connections at all during that difficult time. I was alone. The following month was unbelievable. I could not put the Bible down to even sleep for quite some time. I was starving for His manna. I was even put on major TV during my health crisis. Churches were asking me to give my "testimony" although I hadn't said a word to anyone, it was so notable I was nearly aglow and brought back from the dead. Even though I was not healed from my disease and health issues I went into remission and resumed my life.
Yes, I compare it to the enlightenment of Saul also. Being a "Christian" is simply not enough. That is of man. We must be filled with His Spirit, and that certainly was the most notable experience of my life, and not by request. He comes to us first.
>^o^<
Thank you for sharing that moving personal story. I had just about the same experience in many ways. Later I was talking with an empathetic priest who remarked about my light. He also warned that my light was too bright for many who would try to extinguish it. Coming to these threads and suffering abuse along with other marginalization eventually made my flame die down. It has been hard to regain. Sometimes I relate to the moment Jesus was on the cross and felt forsaken.

Blessings my friend.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#30595 Mar 26, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
You are nice poster with real heart natural,
I can call you cyber friend,
I don't know anyone who could be my friend,
I assume good spiritual thoughts about Gary, and Cindy,
they are poeople whose posts are sounds like true faithful to Christ posts, and not seeking own glamour,or own glories,
I also notice your negative remarks but outside negativity is not inside attitude of new heart,
new heart is feeded by Holy Spirit and never overestimate yourselves to the public,
my short story is awsome,but there is more living experience with people whom I meet from door to door,
harsh words humans needs to focus on their own behaviour,and strat to be without of any bias more friendly,or completly ignore
PEOPLE MOSTLY DOESN'T LIKE SHARP AND HARSH REBUKES,BUT THEY REACT TO THEM ACCORDING TO THEIR HEARTS, this way AGAPE ENEMY is fulfilled in the form of friendship or ignoring but never causing phisical damage or death of enemy
May God always bless you WW
please keep first love to God and His silent lowly word allowing you to WAKE YOU UP TO THE GODS INFINTE REALITY
Thanks, that's very sweet. Please don't make any assumptions. Basically, I respect everyone's opinions except those that try force me into compliance with their belief system. Then I get testy and challenge them. I agree that people don't like harsh rebukes, do you?

Blessings and good tidings my friend.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#30596 Mar 26, 2013
Gary wrote:
Hi Lee:
This was my main point, that is, God has to elect, chose, call, we do not elect our self do we? Yes, the gospel call goes out to all people to repent and believe the gospel Jesus said. However, we can see the only ones that will are those whom God has mercy on and elects this one and that one it means to chose to call to ordain and all this is the work of God. Lee, the Bible tells us that many are called but few are chosen many hear the gospel call but only those that are elected will come to Him on His terms. This is foundation Lee, elect never means I do this does it? No it most be done by someone else and in this case it all has to be done by God, you have not chosen Him Lee, He has to chose you. You have not accepted Him Lee, He has to accept us, Eph. 1:4-6 this is what God tells us that He has to accept us in the beloeved it is not the other way around the reason why is, we are all born dead spirituall Lee, Eph. 2:1, Romans 3:10-12. Gary
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Hey Gary. I believe many hear the Gospels each in their own way right?

Peace be with you bro.
Gary

Buffalo, NY

#30597 Mar 26, 2013
Hi Lee:

Your question concerning Matthew 22, your question:

"If the bridegroom is our annoined Savior and the church is His bride, then who are the servants and guests?

The servants in the corporate churches were not worthy because they had their own [self righteousness] Jesus told them:

"Then saith He to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy "Matthew 24:8

The Lord then goes on and commands the servants to go out in the high ways and byways,

"So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with quests." verse 10.

Jesus told us He did not come for the righteous but for sinners. Many have the notion when speaking about the [church] they many times thinK of a building or some denomnation of some kind the true church is not housed in some building but the believers are the temple this is where the Holy Spirit dwells. When some came to the wedding some did not have a wedding garment on this garment that one has to be clothed with is the garments of the righteousness of Christ this is the proper garment to have on. The true church is where ever the true body of believers that are made up with those that have the holy Spirit dwelling in them THEY ARE THE TEMPLE BECAAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT DWELL IN THEM, Romans 12:1, this is the garment we all need to be clothed upon and only Christ can do this work.

Lee, did you get to answer my question yet?

Who'e work of being [born again] comes from is the work of salvation concerning one being [BORN AGAIN] is ALL the work from God or from man? Thank you. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15.

PS Lee, Before we go to point Z we first must understand point A and that is the true nature of salvation.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, yeah. You forgot to answer my questions. Here they are again. And keep in mind that my illustration is not based on how I believe, but on how you believe. With that being said...
In the parable of the wedding-feast, at Matthew 22, our anointed Savior mentions guests that are to attend the feast and observe the wedding. The servants were sent out to gather, first, those bidden to attend. After them, they were sent out to gather as many as they could find to attend the wedding-feast.
QUESTION: If the bride-groom is our anointed Savior and the Church is his bride, then who are the servants and guests?
__________
The Great Wedding-Feast Attendance
King - Father Yahoweh
Bride-groom - Our anointed Savior
Bride - Church
Servants -
Guests -
__________
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