Another common mistake, Gary.Lee, who's will? You see we did not accept Him He has to accept us in the beloved the Lord. He already did this before the very foundation of the world so how do you think we have any say in the matter it is already finished.
"..before the foundation of the world..."
There's a few things that must be established in order to understand what this means. The first is-- What is this "world"?
By doing a word-study, allowing Father to define the terms used in the bible, and comparing spiritual with spiritual, we find that at Isaiah 45:17, Father refers to the nation of Israel as a "world". Here, it says, with my emphasis, "But ISRAEL shall be saved in Yahoweh with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded WORLD without end." So, now, we know what the "world" is in the verses that say "..before the foundation of the world." And now that we know that, we have to find out when this was-- this "..before the foundation of [Israel]."
At Genesis 25, we read how Rebekah became pregnant with and gave birth to Jacob and Esau. Accordingly, then, we can most certainly assume that what's recorded at Genesis 25 announces the foundation of Israel. But, the predestination began before this, so when was this, then?
The first Messianic prophecy, as believed, is recorded at Genesis 3:15. This says, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." And this is the time stated, "..before the foundation of the world." The history of Genesis 3 does, indeed, occur before that of Genesis 25, does it not? And it was during this time that it was determined that there would be an elect. Now, here's my concern, Gary.
If you didn't know this, then how could you understand the stipulations attached to the vocation of the elect?
As I've just proven, it didn't mean "before time." And as to the mention of "chosen us," Paul was referring to the vocation and not the individual. If Paul was referring to the individual, then none would be instructed to be diligent to make their calling and election sure. The individual is not "sure," but the vocation, itself, is.God PREDETINATED the elect this means before time, AND HE GOES ON AND SAYS ACCORDING AS HE HATH CHOSEN US. WHERE DOES [SELF] COME INTO ALL THIS?
Hey... if you want to blame Father for sin and sinners, then you go right ahead. But, I know better than that.Lee, you see how all this ties together as a choesive picture that is in harmony with the word of God there is no confusion in these statements the problem arises is, many do not like God's plan it really is as simple as this. God locks His will and His work and His elction and His calling there is nothing her about [self] To God be the glory. Thank you. Gary