What Your Church Won't Tell You by Dave and Gary Higgins

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#1 Apr 19, 2010
Gary Higgs (Higgins) and his brother Dave are convinced they know the true gospel. They feel others want them gone because they are afraid of their message. I have started this thread so Dave and Gary can come here and teach all those who are interested.

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#2 Apr 19, 2010
Dear all:

The purpose of this site is to help others that have been snared into a church that teaches a man made self help do it your self have it your way type of man made gospel. The Bible declares to us in these last days that judgment must begin in the house of God, 1 Peter 4:17. There is free information to all that ask for the free books called, "The end of the church age and after" and "Wheat and tares" also, "I hope God will save me?" at familyradio.com or ebiblefellowship.com You will hear and read all the information that will assist you in your quest for the truth. The Bible tells us that the wise shall understand time and judgment, Ecc. 8:5, Amos 3:7, Rev. 10:6-7 and Gen. 18:17, this will help in knowing time and the nature of judgment. Being a former fill in pastor I will be gald or Dave to answer or assist if we can with any of your questions. Thank you for checking the site out and any corrections are welcome, 2 Tim. 3:16. Again, thank you. Gary

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#3 Apr 19, 2010
They need a house warming gift .

Proverbs 12:1 (New King James Version)

Proverbs 12

1 Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge,
But he who hates correction is stupid.
Gary Higgs

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#4 Apr 20, 2010
BoBB AKA BoBB wrote:
They need a house warming gift .
Proverbs 12:1 (New King James Version)
Proverbs 12
1 Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge,
But he who hates correction is stupid.
Hi Bobb:

Very, very, good verses. We see in 2 Tim. 3:16 speaks about correct.

"All scripture is given by inspirtation of God, and is profitable for correctin, for reproof, for INSTRUCTION in righteousness, that the man of God may be furnish unto all good works."

We see it is the Bible, the word of God that instructs one into truth, he will allow the word of God to correct and to instrust him in truth because his desire is to do the will of God because God gives him a want to, to do the will of God. When he or she sees a doctrine or teaching that is contrary to what they have been taught and they see in the word of God, no, they have been wrong, then they will make correction that lines up with the law and will of God. We see there is a HUGE change in that person when God truly saves him, He gives him a brand new Spirit that is born from above by the word of God and the Spirit of God, for the word of God convicts us, but it is the Spirit of God that quickens one or makes him alive in Christ Jesus this is all the work and grace of God, Eph. 1 and 2, goes into great detail.

So whosover loveth instruction loves the knowledge of the word of God this is what makes us grow in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ by His grace, that is, called, growing in grace and the knowledge of our Lord. So the verse you gave is a very important prinicple to follow, this is also a test to see if we are truly saved by allowing the word to correct us in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you for that very good verse. Gary
Dave

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#5 Apr 20, 2010
Bobb,
Thank you for that verse in Proverbs 12:1
Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge,
But he who hates correction is stupid.
Another good verse that would go along with that verse is 2 Tim.3:166 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Thanks again Bobb.
Dave

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#6 Apr 20, 2010
1 Cor. 2:7,10

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

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#7 Apr 20, 2010
Faith is believing in advance, what can only be understood in reverse.

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#8 Apr 20, 2010
I worship and pray at home now ..I also do not watch church broadcasts on TV..Today it is all about the dollar.. they beg in every broadcast..when they are wearing 1000 dollar suites , driving Mercedes and living in Mansions !!Jesus excepted us the way we are. He saved souls while barely having clothes and food. Not asking anything in return but to believe in Him and his Father so we may enjoy a great life after death and peace ,love and happiness while we live our lives on Earth !
Gary Higgs

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#9 Apr 20, 2010
The G-9 Unit wrote:
1 Cor. 2:7,10
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Hi G-9:

Very good verse. There are some things we have to let go because it is a mystery, take for example the God-head. Many people tried to figure out God and every time they fell into a snare and sometime into a different gospel altogether. I have seen this happen to many times. Again, thank you for that verse. Gary
Gary Higgs

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#10 Apr 20, 2010
DEANO62 wrote:
I worship and pray at home now ..I also do not watch church broadcasts on TV..Today it is all about the dollar.. they beg in every broadcast..when they are wearing 1000 dollar suites , driving Mercedes and living in Mansions !!Jesus excepted us the way we are. He saved souls while barely having clothes and food. Not asking anything in return but to believe in Him and his Father so we may enjoy a great life after death and peace ,love and happiness while we live our lives on Earth !
Hi Dean:

There is much truth in what you are saying. What we are seeing on the TV is not the bibical term as a "Christian" as you know. However, many bye into this thinking they can have , health, wealth, and prosperity. God is now judging the churches because He tells us that judgment MUST begin in the house of God, 1 Peter 4:17. There is much bibical evedence that the church age has come to a close and God instaled Satan as an angel of light to rule in these churches as ministers of righteousness, 1 Cor. 11, this is why we are seeing all kinds of crazy things taken place in the corporate churches. There is another site that is filled with bibical information all free no buging for money the books you can read on line free or send for them it is familyradio.com or ebiblefellowship.com

WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE CHECK IT OUT, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT ON IT, IT MAY TAKE AWHILE BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH THEY HAVE TO OFFER AND SO MANY AMAZING SUBJECTS. Thank you for that heads up. Gary

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#11 Apr 20, 2010
Gary Higgs wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi G-9:
Very good verse. There are some things we have to let go because it is a mystery, take for example the God-head. Many people tried to figure out God and every time they fell into a snare and sometime into a different gospel altogether. I have seen this happen to many times. Again, thank you for that verse. Gary
Rev. 18:4

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye not be partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

I have been on a Forum down South with James and Nysdan who have a active thread on what you propose. Seems similar to your deal. Two of them vs. the rest. And where am I? I follow no man nor church, only the big C.
Gary Higgs

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#12 Apr 20, 2010
The G-9 Unit wrote:
Faith is believing in advance, what can only be understood in reverse.
Hi G-9:

Your right, but this is not easy for many to understand that is, faith first must come from God, it is called one of the fruits of the Spirit of God, Gal. 5:22-23, Jesus is the author and finisher of ones faith, Because He that has done the good WORK in you, will perform it until the day of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us. The churches today, will tell you something like this, you can know you are saved today by just saying this prayer, join the church, make a confession and your in. When the fact is, the salvation plan of God is all the work of God.

"Jesus answered and said, This is the WORK of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent." John 6:29.

Sinse it is all the work of God that we believe on Him, thus He gets all the glory in the work of the salvation. However, this is not what you are hearing in the churches today. They have formulated a do it your self, have it your way, kind of man made gospel that is built ALL on self, "I have accepted Jesus." There is much to say about this subject for just one block maybe more can share verses in the Bible for example, what do you make of, Eph. 1:4-6, for starters? Any takers? I believe this will show us just who is in charge of the salvation plan. Thank you for that point you have made, it may have been a short point but it takes much to explain this because it goes to the very heart of true salvation verses a man made salvation. This is something that you have hit on that would be well worth going into more detail. Again, thank you for pondering this point. Gary

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#13 Apr 20, 2010
Do either of you, Gary or Bob, have seminary degrees? Just thought I would inquire about where you received all of your knowledge about scripture. If you have attended a seminary, do you mind me asking where you attained your degree or doctorate? Just want to get a feel for your background without you having to reveal any personal info and get a better idea about where you stand on different doctrinal issues. Thanks and I would appreciate any correspondence.
Gary Higgs

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#14 Apr 20, 2010
The G-9 Unit wrote:
<quoted text>
Rev. 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye not be partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
I have been on a Forum down South with James and Nysdan who have a active thread on what you propose. Seems similar to your deal. Two of them vs. the rest. And where am I? I follow no man nor church, only the big C.
Hi G-9:

Another very good verse! When we read Rev. 18:4, we can see the only ones that will HEAR are those that already has spiritual ears to obey the command to come out of her. God calls them "MY PEOPLE" Only the true believer will hear the command of God to come out of her because my sheep (true believer's) hear my voice and the follow me wherever I go. God gives the believer ears to hear the word of God's command to come out of "her" I have done a word study on the word "her" and "she" this is the representation of the bride of Christ, not the real substance just a picture of the kingdom of God. When we look up this word "her" in Rev. 18, we can see it is mentioned 34 times alone. Now God could have put the word "CHURCH" there instead but He hides His word for the believer to dig it out. The true gospel is hid to them that are lost the Bible tells us in 2Cor. 4:3-4. We also see in Lam. 1, in the first 11 verses the word "her" or "she" is mentioned 46 times in the first 11 verses. Now we can know for sure that the word "her" is refering to the corporate church that has become an unfaithful bride and is now called an harlot a Jezebel.

"Notithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that WOMAN Jezbel which calleth HERSELF a prophetes, to teach and to seduce MY SERVANTS to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave HER space to repent of HER fornication and SHE repented not. Behold, I will cast HER into a bed, and them that commit ADULTERY with HER in GREAT TRIBULATION, execept they repent of their deeds." Rev. 2:20-22

This is speaking to the church od Thyatira and SHE never repented this is a picture of the churches today that is in great tribulation, she has become an unfaithful bride from turning away from the true and living God to a fale god this is why she is called a harlot in Rev. 17. She has become unfaithful to the word of God thus SHE is under the judgment of God. for more info. go to familyradio.com and read, "The end of the church age and after" and "Wheat and tares" also "I hope God will save me" all free for the asking or you can check it out and read on line, see what you think? Again, thank you for sharing those great verses. Gary
Gary Higgs

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#15 Apr 20, 2010
proofsinthepuddin wrote:
Do either of you, Gary or Bob, have seminary degrees? Just thought I would inquire about where you received all of your knowledge about scripture. If you have attended a seminary, do you mind me asking where you attained your degree or doctorate? Just want to get a feel for your background without you having to reveal any personal info and get a better idea about where you stand on different doctrinal issues. Thanks and I would appreciate any correspondence.
Hi Proof:

I have been a student of the Bible sinse 1979, I went to a Baptist seminary and did my theses on "ETERNAL SALVATION" After this, I began to realize they thought this was a big deal, and I started to wonder why would they think this is a big deal and started to ask questions and found out they did not have a good handle on many different subects as "eternal security of the believer" and slowly started to see that what they taught was not in line from what I have been learning concerning the soverinty of God and many other main issues. I decided to drop out and do my own homework in the word of God and would study the word for quite some time when I had the chance. I thus was a deacon in the church then a assisted pastor and teacher. My brother Dave was the teacher also in the church that we attended until we slowly started to see a rebelion against foundational truths of the Bible such as the soverinty of God. Now I made this very clear what I believed before I pastored the church, and the leaders said we argree also, well when my brother Dave started to teach on the subject on God's election program he hit a nerve, as the old saying goes, if you throw a stone down a dark alley and you hear a scream then you know you hit something, and by the sound of the scream we hit something big, that was there pride. How dare you tell me what I did on May 5, 1977, did not take. You see we were a threat to there comfort zone. The Bible tells us we must examine our self to make sure our calling and election is sure.

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" 2 Cor. 13:5

To prove our self, means to test our self by the word of God to make sure we have the true gospel and only God the Holy Spirit in the believer, will do this because he allows for the Bible to correct, to instrust, and to reprove him in instruction of the word of God the Bible tells us in 2 Tim. 3:16, that all scripture is given by inspiritation of God and is profitable for instrustion, for correction and so on.

"Wherefore the rather, brethern, give DILIGENCE to make YOUR calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall." 2 Peter 1:10

The Bible instrusts the true child of God to make diligence to make sure his calling and election is sure. This is what qualfies one to be faithful to the word of God. You see when God calls one by His word and His Spirit because these are the two ways God uses to save that is, His word because, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. However, God the Holy Spirit must apply His word to the heart of the one He saves. This all takes the work of God that one truly believes, John 6:29. 1 Peter 1:23.

Now what Dave and myself will help to do is share some of the things we have found in the word of God and test them to see if they are true or not by the word of God, after all that is what the word of God should be doing in our life that is, correcting and instructing in His word, so when we see something we may not be totally right on and someone shares verses that shows this then we are not afraid to ajust our teaching to be more in line with the teaching of the Bible this is called growing in grace and knowledge of the Lord. So the Bible is our sole authority that structures and determins what truth is. Thank you for that qustion. Gary

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#16 Apr 20, 2010
Yes lets look at what Gary and Dave's doctrine leader Harold Camping is teaching shall we.

http://home.comcast.net/~watkinsclan/camping....

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/harold_...

http://www.truthradio.com/Camping.pdf

All anyone has to do to see that Harold Camping is a false prophet is to google his name and read the countless web sites that expose him for what he truely is, and that expose the false doctrine that Gary and Dave are trying to sell in here.
Will

Columbus, OH

#17 Apr 20, 2010
Gary Higgs wrote:
Dear all:
The purpose of this site is to help others that have been snared into a church that teaches a man made self help do it your self have it your way type of man made gospel. The Bible declares to us in these last days that judgment must begin in the house of God, 1 Peter 4:17. There is free information to all that ask for the free books called, "The end of the church age and after" and "Wheat and tares" also, "I hope God will save me?" at familyradio.com or ebiblefellowship.com You will hear and read all the information that will assist you in your quest for the truth. The Bible tells us that the wise shall understand time and judgment, Ecc. 8:5, Amos 3:7, Rev. 10:6-7 and Gen. 18:17, this will help in knowing time and the nature of judgment. Being a former fill in pastor I will be gald or Dave to answer or assist if we can with any of your questions. Thank you for checking the site out and any corrections are welcome, 2 Tim. 3:16. Again, thank you. Gary
So your approach would be to do what the Bible "tells" you to, and what your invisible guy in the sky tells you to, not what your own intelligence, reason, and education tell you, huh?

Brilliant, as are most things Christians say...
Will

Columbus, OH

#18 Apr 20, 2010
Red Apples wrote:
Yes lets look at what Gary and Dave's doctrine leader Harold Camping is teaching shall we.
http://home.comcast.net/~watkinsclan/camping....
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/harold_...
http://www.truthradio.com/Camping.pdf
All anyone has to do to see that Harold Camping is a false prophet is to google his name and read the countless web sites that expose him for what he truely is, and that expose the false doctrine that Gary and Dave are trying to sell in here.
"The Sandal! Follow the Sandal!"

"No, follow the Gourd! The Gourd is Holy!"

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#19 Apr 20, 2010
Gary Higgs wrote:
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Hi Proof:
I have been a student of the Bible sinse 1979, I went to a Baptist seminary and did my theses on "ETERNAL SALVATION" Gary
Red Apples wrote:
You can't even keep your own lies straight can you Gary?

Gary Higgs wrote:
Now Granny, since I was also a former Roman Catholic,

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

Red Apples wrote:
It's there for all to see Gary. Any credibility you may have thought you had has been blown out of the water.

“Running the Race!”

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LBG

#20 Apr 20, 2010
Gary Higgs wrote:
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Hi Proof:
I have been a student of the Bible sinse 1979, I went to a Baptist seminary and did my theses on "ETERNAL SALVATION"
Well, where do I start. I also go to a Baptist Church and attended a Baptist Seminary where I earned a post graduate level degree. I have to say that I have never been in a Baptist Church that held DOCTRINAL beliefs of election. There are some Baptist that say they are somewhat Calvinistic but no true baptist would claim to be a five point Calvinist. I have issues personally with eternal salvation. Dont get me wrong, through a grammatical-historical interpretation I do believe that our salvation in Christ is secure. My main problem with the baptist and honestly all denominations is that they are always going to seed over narrow passages of theology. If it is not a black and white fundamental of what it takes to be saved and become a member of the Body of Christ then all of the rest is just preference. We should stand together on those fundamentals and unite, instead of splitting up into our little comfort groups we call denominations. I admire you and your brother for going out and discerning these things for yoursellves but I urge you to unite instead of debating. Blessings!

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