If Assad remains, America FAILED
ElohimsOkie

Broken Bow, OK

#44 Sep 11, 2013
The rebels in Libya,Egypt,Syria are paid by Saudi Arabia and trained by the CIA.
hunter

Norwich, UK

#45 Sep 11, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
The United States federal governments recent ultimatums on Syria.---- Granted, the United Kingdoms government hasn't outwardly come out in support of the United States government.
But, behind the scenes, the United Kingdoms MI6 organization & military-industrial complex is on the exact, same page as the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) & military-industrial complex.
The United Kingdoms private military contractors are on the exact, same page as the United States private military contractors.
Absolutely NOTHING has changed with the United States / United Kingdoms relations.
It do'es not mean the people of the country are with them!
That's why the government got a no go,
They knew the feelings of the people not to get dragged into the SHIT by you lot again.
Like the illegal war we got into with Iraq following your claims
of WMD's Which turned out to be Lie's
The majority of American's don't want any involvement in Syria.
By the look of things Obama would not have got his way,As it looks like he would have got the NO vote.
People are sick and tired of their MONEY funding your war's
WHile they are debt ridden and losing their HOMES!
hunter

Norwich, UK

#46 Sep 11, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
The United States did support Muslim forces in Afghanistan.
The United States did NOT support Al Qaeda.
The United States supported the moderate Muslim forces. Which were headed by moderate Muslim Ahmad Shah Massoud.
The United States, Israel, United Kingdom, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Jordan & Egypt supported Massoud. Massouds moderate Muslims.
The radical Islamic fundamentalists, Al Qaeda & the Taliban. Also, the Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin. Gulbuddins leader, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.---- Were supported by Iran & Pakistan.
Other radical Islamic fundamentalists, the Jamiat Uleme-e-Islami organization & the Wahhabi Islamists. Especially their Mullahs.--- Were supported by Iran & Pakistan.
What do you mean the U.S. did not support Al Qaeda!
They created them IDIOT!
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#47 Sep 11, 2013
XYZ OPEN YOUR DOOR wrote:
<quoted text>Franklin Roosevelt and his Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, had embargoed Japanese oil supplies and preparing a US military ,action against Japanese expansion in the Pacific.
__________

You are absolutely correct.

But, WHY did Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) & Henry Stimson do this?---

Because of the VERY aggressive actions by the government of Imperial Fascist Japan.

Here is a list of the VERY aggressive actions which Japans government did.----

1. July 7, 1937, onwards.---- The Japanese army & airforce committing HORRIFIC human rights abuses against Chinese people in China.

2. The Japanese airforce carrying out a dastardly & cowardly attack against the United States ship, the U.S.S. Panay.

3. January, 1940.---- Japans government abrogating the Treaty of Commerce with the United States.

4. August, 1940.---- Japans government openly announcing the the "Creation of a Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere".

Japans government stating this, this was an OPEN call that the Japanese government intended to drive Western nations from Asia.

5. September, 1940.---- Japans government signing the Tripartite Pact. An alliance with Europes radical Right wing governments of Nazi Germany & Fascist Italy.

6. April, 1940.----- Japans government signing a Neutrality Pact with the former Soviet Union.

Japans government doing this, this made it very clear that Japan would not be attacking northward. Japan would not be attacking the Soviet Far East. Japan would not be attacking Soviet Siberia.

Japan would be attacking southward, throughout Southeast Asia.

AT THE EXPENSE OF the United States, United Kingdoms, French & Dutch interests.
hunter

Norwich, UK

#48 Sep 11, 2013
So what do you think the rebels are, Al Qaeda!
But your country supports them IDIOT!
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#49 Sep 11, 2013
UidotRace ---- A couple of other examples.---- As to why the United States federal government HAD to take the actions which they did against the Empire of Imperial Fascist Japan.----

7. July 24, 1941.---- Japans invasion & taking over of French Indo-China.

8. Japan invading & taking over the Cam Ranh naval base.----

This was a VERY grave threat to the Philippines.

This was also a VERY grave threat to the United Kingdoms base at Singapore.

After Japan did this, the United States government told Japans government.--- "That Japanese forces had to withdraw from China & from Indo-China".

The United States government was trying to negotiate a peaceful withdrawal of Japanese forces from China & from Indo-China.

But, Japans radical Right wing government chose war.

The fault DOESN'T rest with the United States.

The blame rests with the government of Imperial Fascist Japan.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#50 Sep 11, 2013
hunter wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you mean the U.S. did not support Al Qaeda!
They created them.
__________

Nope, the United States government did NOT "create" Al Qaeda.

The United States supported the moderate Muslims. Which were headed by moderate Muslim Ahmad Shah Massoud.

Tragically Massoud was murdered by Al Qaeda operatives on September 9, 2011.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#51 Sep 11, 2013
hunter.--- Hey boy, lose the name calling.

You aren't representing English people well. Show some respect boy.

Show some respect for the United States. Because had it not been for the United States, your nation, the United Kingdom would have been totally defeated & occupied by Nazi Germany & Fascist Italy.

Just remember that boy.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#52 Sep 11, 2013
XYZ OPEN YOUR DOOR wrote:
<quoted text>The MacArthur memorandum to F.D.R. of January 20, 1945 explicitly set forth the terms of a peace offer which were virtually identical with the final surrender terms that we accepted from the Japanese seven months later.
__________

You are absolutely correct.

Why did this happen?

When the United States federal government put forward this peace proposal to the government of the Empire of Imperial Fascist Japan back on January, 1945.---- Why did the government of Japan refuse this?----

Because there were terms of surrender.

Terms of surrender which the government of Japan REFUSED.

The blame doesn't rest with the United States federal government.

The blame rests with the government of the Empire of Imperial Fascist Japan.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#53 Sep 11, 2013
XYZ OPEN YOUR DOOR wrote:
<quoted text>The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing {atomic bomb].
__________

Not true.

Japans government was still REFUSING to accept the Allies surrender terms.

Even as late as July, 1945.---- Japan had a VERY sizeable airforce, army & navy throughout its mainland.

Japans soldiers & aviators were inbued with a very fanatical fighting spirit.

From mid December, 1944 till late July, 1945.---- The United States Airforce & Navy had a solid blockade around mainland Japan.

Especially the United States submarine force.

The United States Airforce dropped many mines in Japans territorial waters.

The United States Airforce bombed 67 Japanese cities with incendiary bombs.

Despite all of these actions by the United States.---- Japan still REFUSED to adhere to the Allied surrender terms.
hunter

Norwich, UK

#54 Sep 11, 2013
Johnny wrote:
hunter.--- Hey boy, lose the name calling.
You aren't representing English people well. Show some respect boy.
Show some respect for the United States. Because had it not been for the United States, your nation, the United Kingdom would have been totally defeated & occupied by Nazi Germany & Fascist Italy.
Just remember that boy.
.
I did'nt say i was representing people in the U.K.
But i know the feelings that people in the U.K.have.BOY!
I did have respect for your country 30 years ago.
But the the politic's of your country since then have let America
D O W N ! B O Y !
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#55 Sep 11, 2013
UidiotRace ---- Here are many other reasons. As to WHY Japan was still a very grave threat to the United States military personnel & civilians alike. Even as late as late July, 1945.----

1. Japan had a very extensive biological weapons program.

2. Japan had a very extensive stockpile of biological weapons.

3. Japan was working on a radiological "dirty bomb".

4. In late July, 1945, Japan almost achieved a breakthrough with building a dirty bomb.

5. Japan could have delivered their biological weapons &/or dirty bombs to the United States via their long range balloons.

6. Japan could have delivered their biological weapons &/or dirty bombs to the United States via their Kawanishi H6K long range seaplanes.

7. Japan could have delivered their biological weapons &/or dirty bombs to the United States via their Kawanishi H8K long range seaplanes.

8. Japan could have delivered their biological weapons &/or dirty bombs to the United States via their Type B1 (I-15 series) aircraft carrying submarines.

9. Japan could have delivered their biological weapons &/or dirty bombs to the United States via their Sen Toku I-400-class aircraft carrying submarines.

These were very critical factors as to WHY the United States ended the war in the Pacific the way they did.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#56 Sep 11, 2013
hunter ---- I have to step out now. Hopefully, I should have some time by Sunday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#57 Sep 11, 2013
Johnny wrote:
UidiotRace ---- Here are many other reasons. As to WHY Japan was still a very grave threat to the United States military personnel & civilians alike. Even as late as late July, 1945.----
1. Japan had a very extensive biological weapons program.
2. Japan had a very extensive stockpile of biological weapons.
3. Japan was working on a radiological "dirty bomb".
4. In late July, 1945, Japan almost achieved a breakthrough with building a dirty bomb.
5. Japan could have delivered their biological weapons &/or dirty bombs to the United States via their long range balloons.
6. Japan could have delivered their biological weapons &/or dirty bombs to the United States via their Kawanishi H6K long range seaplanes.
7. Japan could have delivered their biological weapons &/or dirty bombs to the United States via their Kawanishi H8K long range seaplanes.
8. Japan could have delivered their biological weapons &/or dirty bombs to the United States via their Type B1 (I-15 series) aircraft carrying submarines.
9. Japan could have delivered their biological weapons &/or dirty bombs to the United States via their Sen Toku I-400-class aircraft carrying submarines.
These were very critical factors as to WHY the United States ended the war in the Pacific the way they did.
Shouldn't you be at a klan meeting?
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#58 Sep 11, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Shouldn't you be at a klan meeting?
Was he picking you up for the meeting?
ElohimsOkie

Broken Bow, OK

#59 Sep 11, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
Nope, the United States government did NOT "create" Al Qaeda.
The United States supported the moderate Muslims. Which were headed by moderate Muslim Ahmad Shah Massoud.
Tragically Massoud was murdered by Al Qaeda operatives on September 9, 2011.
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were the CIAs boogy men. They kept the fake war on terror going.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#60 Sep 12, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Shouldn't you be at a klan meeting?
__________

Nope. No Ku Klux Klan (KKK) here.

The Ku Klux Klan is too extreme in their ideology & tactics.

My skin color isn't that light.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#61 Sep 12, 2013
ElohimsOkie wrote:
<quoted text>Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were the CIAs boogy men.
__________

No.

I will list a timeline of the events which occurred in Afghanistan.

Here it is.----

Afghanistan, late December, 1979 till early February, 1989.----

When the former Soviet Unions troops were stationed in Afghanistan. Helping Afghanistans former left wing communist dictatorship.

There were 2 DIFFERENT Muslim factions.---

1. The moderate Muslims. Headed by moderate Muslim Ahmad Shah Massoud.

The United States, United Kingdom, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Jordan & Egypt supported Massoud & his moderate Muslims.

2. The radical Islamic fundamentalist Muslims.----

The Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin guerrilla / terrorist organization. The Hezb-e-Islamis leader, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.

The Jamiat Ulema-e-Islami organization.

Wahhabi Islamists. Especially the Mullahs.

The radical Islamic fundamentalist Taliban.

Osama Bin Laden. Bin Ladens organization, Al Qaeda.

The radical Islamic fundamentalists were supported by Iran & by Pakistan.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#62 Sep 12, 2013
ElohimsOkie ----

Throughout the Soviet troop presence in Afghanistan & the left wing communist dictatorship being in power in Kabul.---- The moderate Muslims & the Islamic fundamentalists had a truce.

February, 1989.---- All Soviet troops pulled out of Afghanistan.

Right after this happened, the Islamic fundamentalists attacked the moderate Muslims.

March, 1989 till June, 1996.---- The moderate Muslims were winning against the Islamic fundamentalists.

Early, 1992.---- The United States presidential administration of Democrat Bill Clinton ended military & humanitarian aid to the moderate Muslims.

Early 1992 till September, 1996.--- Iran & Pakistan greatly increased military aid to the Islamic fundamentalists.

September, 1996.---- The radical Islamic fundamentalists would conclusively defeat the moderate Muslims in a major conventional battle.

Radical Islamic fundamentalists would seize Kabul.

Primarily the radical Islamic fundamentalist Taliban forces.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#63 Sep 12, 2013
ElohimsOkie ---- A few last points.--- Which shows that Al Qaeda was NOT the CIAs "boogeymen".----

September 9, 2001.---- The United States, Israels & the United Kingdoms main moderate Muslim ally, Ahmad Shah Massoud was murdered by Al Qaeda operatives.

2 days after this happened, other Al Qaeda operatives attacked the United States.

November, 2001.---- The moderate Muslim forces, supported by the United States, Israeli & United Kingdom forces defeated radical Islamic fundamentalist forces in a major conventional battle.

Moderate Muslim forces took Kabul.

November, 2001 till now.---- Moderate Muslim forces are still around. They have greatly risen in strength.

The moderate Muslim forces are still battling Al Qaeda & the Taliban forces throughout Afghanistan.

The United States DIDN'T support any radical Islamic fundamentalist forces.

The United States, Israel, United Kingdom, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Jordan & Egypt supported the moderate Muslim forces.

Still do.

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